MMV (No More Heroes): 3/4 of our Wii games have lost $$, 4/5 PSP games MADE $$

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=380101

In Conclusion,

Only Nintendo games sell on Nintendo consoles.

Oh my goodness!

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=380101

In Conclusion,

Only Nintendo games sell on Nintendo consoles.

If they advertised their games more It'd help, I have never seen an ad from a third party Wii game, I know I live in a third world country and whatnot, but Thats pretty bad because not even U.S TV channels i get have any, meaning, there aren't that many there either.AgentA-Mi6

To be fair, I rarely see commercials for 3rd party games on any system.

Its sad really, and they were all great games. Well, off to the 360/PS3 they go!!!!!!

If they advertised their games more It'd help, I have never seen an ad from a third party Wii game, I know I live in a third world country and whatnot, but Thats pretty bad because not even U.S TV channels i get have any, meaning, there aren't that many there either.AgentA-Mi6

So why did it take them 4 games to figure this out. You'd think they'd realise its a bad idea after a while.

[QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]If they advertised their games more It'd help, I have never seen an ad from a third party Wii game, I know I live in a third world country and whatnot, but Thats pretty bad because not even U.S TV channels i get have any, meaning, there aren't that many there either.hakanakumono

To be fair, I rarely see commercials for 3rd party games on any system.

Really? All I see are commercials for Assassin's Creed II and Call of Duty :?

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]If they advertised their games more It'd help, I have never seen an ad from a third party Wii game, I know I live in a third world country and whatnot, but Thats pretty bad because not even U.S TV channels i get have any, meaning, there aren't that many there either.spinecaton

To be fair, I rarely see commercials for 3rd party games on any system.

Really? All I see are commercials for Assassin's Creed II and Call of Duty :?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=380101

In Conclusion,

Only Nintendo games sell on Nintendo consoles.

KukicAdo

No fair!! I can't read Japanese Scripts so I can't tell if you are lying or not.

Yeah, the Wii stinks for most quality 3rd party titles. Extraction, NMH, MadWorld, and even Muramasa (which was a bit more successful), didn't sell like they should have. That's just the tip of the iceberg. The hardcore Wii base are so small in comparison to the casuals. Tis a shame.

Please be aware this report isolates their own publishing. There are many wii games profitable, but in certain area's certain games haven't been profitable especially with MMV. Their games have been very niche too.
And, PSP games need to sell far less to be profitable.

lulz sheep are funny

Yeah, the Wii stinks for most quality 3rd party titles. Extraction, NMH, MadWorld, and even Muramasa (which was a bit more successful), didn't sell like they should have. That's just the tip of the iceberg. The hardcore Wii base are so small in comparison to the casuals. Tis a shame.

BioShockOwnz

What's really shameful is that that 2 of those games had no advertising and one of them could have used some more as well has been better.

(First two games were No More Heroes, Muramasa: The Demon Blade) (The other one was MadWorld)

Yeah, the Wii stinks for most quality 3rd party titles. Extraction, NMH, MadWorld, and even Muramasa (which was a bit more successful), didn't sell like they should have. That's just the tip of the iceberg. The hardcore Wii base are so small in comparison to the casuals. Tis a shame.

BioShockOwnz

Yeah, the Wii stinks for most quality 3rd party titles. Extraction, NMH, MadWorld, and even Muramasa (which was a bit more successful), didn't sell like they should have. That's just the tip of the iceberg. The hardcore Wii base are so small in comparison to the casuals. Tis a shame.

BioShockOwnz

I dont think its that the hardcore user base is small, i think its more the hardcore gamers that have a Wii are not buying games for it and for the most part, thats because they have a 360/PS3 too. I mean Metroid Prime 3 has sold over 2 million copies. And other games in the RE franchise for the Wii have sold 1.5 million +. I know your thinking its because they're existing franchises, but these are games casuals would never buy. Leaving us with the conclusion that the hardcore are their, just not buying. (Red steel being another example).

Like you said, it is a shame and the funny thing is the majority of people crying for the games aren't even buying them.

[QUOTE="Cosmonaut X"]

...I count 5 Wii games there. I can imagine Valhalla Knights, Harvest Moon and Arc Rise all underperformed. Not sure about LKS and Muramasa.

grandjedi6

Yeah, I'm not sure why they said 3/4 Wii and 4/5 PSP considering they seem to have released 5 Wii and 4 PSP (perhaps he accidently switched the two fractions?). They also don't seem to count games that were published by someone else (like Muramasa in NA by Ignition).

I'm going to take a wild guess and say Little Kings' Story was the sole profitable game they're refering to but I'm honestly not sure. The European release of Valhalla Knights 2 is obviously the underperforming PSP game though.

This post I found on NeoGAF explains a lot.

Yeah, the Wii stinks for most quality 3rd party titles. Extraction, NMH, MadWorld, and even Muramasa (which was a bit more successful), didn't sell like they should have. That's just the tip of the iceberg. The hardcore Wii base are so small in comparison to the casuals. Tis a shame.

BioShockOwnz

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

Yeah, the Wii stinks for most quality 3rd party titles. Extraction, NMH, MadWorld, and even Muramasa (which was a bit more successful), didn't sell like they should have. That's just the tip of the iceberg. The hardcore Wii base are so small in comparison to the casuals. Tis a shame.

sherlock99

I remember seeing MadWorld and NMH advertised a little bit on TV. The other two had next to none.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=380101

In Conclusion,

Only Nintendo games sell on Nintendo consoles.

I couldnt care less what a reviewer says about the game after playing it for myself and seeing 1st hand how abysmal the game was. The game was shallow, Characters where rip offs of other characters like Afro Samurai, Ocelot (Mgs), tatoo'd snake dude (crying freeman) ... graphics where great in spots but back grounds where over used constantly. Enemies where boring and repetitive with AI matching that of a crash test dummie. The best thing about the whole game was 1) Remote used as Phone 2) mini games... everything else was poor and needed work.

It sold what it deserved.

If they advertised their games more It'd help, I have never seen an ad from a third party Wii game, I know I live in a third world country and whatnot, but Thats pretty bad because not even U.S TV channels i get have any, meaning, there aren't that many there either.AgentA-Mi6

Well you definately should elaborate more. Heres a link from gonintendo with more info.

http://www.gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=104860

Heres some info for those too lazy.

Muramasa: The Demon Blade JP = 47,000
Arc Rise Fantasia JP = 45,000
Valhalla Knights: Eldar Saga NA = 16,000
Harvest Moon: Tree of Tranquility EU = 57,000

Little King's Story:
JP = 26,000
EU = 67,000
NA = 37,000
Total = 130,000

So they released five games, Harvest moon and Valhalla Knights arent good games, Muramasa had no advertising and recieved mixed reviews, Arc Rise Fantasia has only been released in Japan and Little Kings Story is the only one that really should have sold more, but yet again there wasnt much advertising. There are factors to take into account before you make statements like that.

Wow im loving all the DC, all of sudden, Mardworld and NMH that were the undeniable proof of how hardcore the Wii are now crappy titles.GulliversTravel

Also, this doesnt apply to NMH, since the report is only about this fiscal year.

It would help if they actually advertised...

Well you definately should elaborate more. Heres a link from gonintendo with more info.

http://www.gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=104860

Heres some info for those too lazy.

Muramasa: The Demon Blade JP = 47,000
Arc Rise Fantasia JP = 45,000
Valhalla Knights: Eldar Saga NA = 16,000
Harvest Moon: Tree of Tranquility EU = 57,000

Little King's Story:
JP = 26,000
EU = 67,000
NA = 37,000
Total = 130,000

So they released five games, Harvest moon and Valhalla Knights arent good games, Muramasa had no advertising and recieved mixed reviews, Arc Rise Fantasia has only been released in Japan and Little Kings Story is the only one that really should have sold more, but yet again there wasnt much advertising. There are factors to take into account before you make statements like that.

Scythes777

I love it that when it comes talking about third party Wii sales the only ones people can seem to stuff in faces as not selling are small Japanese niche titles that get zero marketing a part from nerds talking about them via blogs/forums.

Really, I know it hurts PS3/360 fans that are also fans of these small niche titles (since most PS3/360 owners couldn't care less) that the most popular console gets these niche titles and you guys don't (also because these niche titles are easier to make for the Wii because the Wii users similar graphics/etc as the PS2 and last gen), BUT GET OVER IT.

If Okami, a PS2 port (and not a GOOD PS2 port, just a decent one) that itself didn't get much attention on the PS2 (yes, Okami, a niche Japanese title DIDN'T SELL WELL ON THE PS2 JUST LIKE NICHE TITLES DON'T SELL WELL ON THE WII) can STILL manage to do sell fairly well on the Wii, and any niche title can IF THEY ARE SMART ABOUT HOW THEY SELL IT.

MadWorld = Sucked. No point in bringing that up. Heh, at least it was funny.

Seriously, small niche Japanese titles not selling well... WHAT KIND OF WORLD DO WE LIVE IN?! THE WII SUCKS BECAUSE OF THIS!!! QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ These games should have been released on the PS3 so they can NOT sell well on there!

[QUOTE="sherlock99"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

Yeah, the Wii stinks for most quality 3rd party titles. Extraction, NMH, MadWorld, and even Muramasa (which was a bit more successful), didn't sell like they should have. That's just the tip of the iceberg. The hardcore Wii base are so small in comparison to the casuals. Tis a shame.

LegendofNerd

I remember seeing MadWorld and NMH advertised a little bit on TV. The other two had next to none.

Yup. No More Heroes, MadWorlds, and HotD: OVERKILL all had a lot of advertising on TV.

[QUOTE="LegendofNerd"]

[QUOTE="sherlock99"] whats funny about your post is that the games you listed had zero tv advertising.BioShockOwnz

I remember seeing MadWorld and NMH advertised a little bit on TV. The other two had next to none.

Yup. No More Heroes, MadWorlds, and HotD: OVERKILL all had a lot of advertising on TV.

Yup. No More Heroes, MadWorlds, and HotD: OVERKILL all had a lot of advertising on TV.

BioShockOwnz

What networks advertised them?

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

Yup. No More Heroes, MadWorlds, and HotD: OVERKILL all had a lot of advertising on TV.

What networks advertised them?

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

[QUOTE="LegendofNerd"]

I remember seeing MadWorld and NMH advertised a little bit on TV. The other two had next to none.

sherlock99

Yup. No More Heroes, MadWorlds, and HotD: OVERKILL all had a lot of advertising on TV.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

Yeah, the Wii stinks for most quality 3rd party titles. Extraction, NMH, MadWorld, and even Muramasa (which was a bit more successful), didn't sell like they should have. That's just the tip of the iceberg. The hardcore Wii base are so small in comparison to the casuals. Tis a shame.

Haziqonfire

its funny coz Ignition publihed Muramasa in NA (which i'd imagine if they'd port it to other consoles in NA they'd have to be the ones publishing it) and they said they're happy with the 35k they've sold of Muramasa in NA

i think Marvelous overestimated the girth of the niche market for these games

NMH won't sell more than 450k on PS3 or 360 (individually not combined, combined yes it could)

LKS got 130k which is nice, but face it guys these games are so niche (and valhalla is apprently bad) that Muramasa, LKS, Arc Rise, No More Heroes would all sell just the same as on wii, or worse on HD consoles due to those consoles userbases proving before (just like wii owners have) that they don't buy that many niche games

and why wouldn't they turn profit off PSP games? Aren't PSP game budgets like 1/10th of Wii games? MMV is so small, im not sure they should complain about bad sales when they can't afford good marketing for good games

[QUOTE="sherlock99"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

Yup. No More Heroes, MadWorlds, and HotD: OVERKILL all had a lot of advertising on TV.

GulliversTravel

i like how everyone ignores this

while yes Madworld and NMHs should have sold more

nmh is suda's best selling game

and Madworld sold quicker and as much as Okami did on PS2 (that team's last game)

I think companys honestly over estimate the core gamer.

None of those "core gamers" really bought Odin Sphere, Okami, etc on PS2 and it had 3 times the userbase of Wii

That isn't really the conclusion. There is a lot more factors to consider.Devil-Itachi

[QUOTE="Devil-Itachi"]That isn't really the conclusion. There is a lot more factors to consider.subrosian

And if NMH doesnt sell well on the twins?