Modern graphics are a far cry from being "good enough"

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#1 Mozelleple112
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I've heard lots of people say "Graphics today are good enough" and loads of people have very low expectations for next generation consoles AND people say we've come to the age of diminishing returns... Have we reached a pinnacle in graphics?

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VIEW ALL PICS HERE

FAR FROM IT

All of these rendered on the GF100 Fermi by Nvidia...

What do modern racers offer us in terms of visuals?

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#2 el3m2tigre
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Totally misread that.

There's nothing with graphics improving over time.

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#3 VensInferno
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The first 2 pics are breathtaking :o
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#4 SaltyMeatballs
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Oh my gawd!

http://cdn1.knowyourmeme.com/i/000/076/537/original/Super_FUUU_Face.jpg

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#5 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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I'm still taken at back how people hyped GT5s graphics. I just don't understand it.
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#6 MonsieurX
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Pics are not working except the last one
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#7 soulitane
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Yeah no deeplinking looks great.

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#8 Mozelleple112
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The first 2 pics are breathtaking :oVensInferno
Well they all are. Except GT5 of course... :P That's some incredible graphics, looks even better than the Forza/GT hyperbole CGI.
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#9 super600  Moderator
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All the pics except the last one are not working.

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#10 ABCarmine
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I'm still taken at back how people hyped GT5s graphics. I just don't understand it.Stevo_the_gamer

I've always prefered Forza to almost everything in GT.

But let's not turn this into another Forza vs GT Thread:P

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#11 Mozelleple112
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They work for me and it seems like a the first view posters saw them too..

Anyways I edited OP so you can click on the link and see the entire album. Click on the images to zoom in. Looks mindblowing.

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#12 AmayaPapaya
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Graphics could be better but they are fine. I want more powerful consoles not for graphics, but other things. What I want is a console that will allow an increase in things you can do, and an increase in performance. That's it. Sadly, no matter how powerful a console is, 60 fps will never be the standard as most devs will use the extra power for graphics and not framerate.

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#13 lawlessx
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they just don't to pay for new consoles now
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#14 Chris_Williams
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i don't understand the reasoning behind wanting super ultra realistic photograph graphics, imo games are fine and look very very good, i want next gen consoles to work on in increasing, enemy A.I, Longer Games, More enemies on screen, i could care less if the trees all have indivdually made leaves on them

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#15 001011000101101
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I'd rather have some games that tries something new. Couldn't care less about graphics anymore.
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#16 Inconsistancy
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i don't understand the reasoning behind wanting super ultra realistic photograph graphics, imo games are fine and look very very good, i want next gen consoles to work on in increasing, enemy A.I, Longer Games, More enemies on screen, i could care less if the trees all have indivdually made leaves on them

Chris_Williams

Couldn't care less*

With the increased budget to add AI and Enemies on screen, plenty of devs will still spend that on just putting prettier graphics up, blame the devs, not the hardware.

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#17 Chris_Williams
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[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"]

i don't understand the reasoning behind wanting super ultra realistic photograph graphics, imo games are fine and look very very good, i want next gen consoles to work on in increasing, enemy A.I, Longer Games, More enemies on screen, i could care less if the trees all have indivdually made leaves on them

Inconsistancy

Couldn't care less*

With the increased budget to add AI and Enemies on screen, plenty of devs will still spend that on just putting prettier graphics up, blame the devs, not the hardware.

naw, i blame consumers, devs stay in business because of us, if a dev launches a game but they don't really focus on graphics but gameplay then people complain about it.
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#18 mrmusicman247
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Deeplinking. GOTY.
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#19 gmaster456
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Don't know about everyone else but the graphics in No Deep linking please are like 4 gens ahead of what we have right now, even teh cell can't beat it let alone a GTX590 and i7 2600k. Graphix king confirmed for like 17 years.
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#20 Vaasman
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Deeplinking is graphics king!

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Looks great but not playable
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#22 AmazonTreeBoa
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If by modern graphics, you mean what a top of the line PC can do, they yes I agree with you.

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#23 mitu123
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We need new consoles.

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#24 martinX3X
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No, there is definetely room for improvement.

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#25 Bigboi500
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I'd rather have some games that tries something new. Couldn't care less about graphics anymore.001011000101101
Agreed. I'd rather have innovation and imagination instead of more FPS clones in deeeeeep detail thank you. For most people this gen is fine for several more years.

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#26 juno84
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Diminishing returns on graphics simply means graphics don't scale linearly with hardware power. This doesn't mean we shouldn't keep pushing graphics or hardware, it just means that you aren't going to see huge gains in graphics through raw power alone.

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#27 SPYDER0416
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I think its around the time consoles moved to the next gen (5 year cycles and all), but its not like with older consoles. Today's console games, despite their age are still capable of pulling off great visuals that can match the medium setting on a PC (such as The Witcher 2 and Crysis 2) at a good 30fps. Then you also have the constant firmware and system updates as well as patches that keep the consoles fresh and dated.

I think we still have 1 or 2 more years of life out of current consoles before they really get dated.

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#28 hakanakumono
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Last gen seems to be the last gen where my favorite genre was actually feasible. In my mind, there was no need for even this gen.

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#29 MacBoomStick
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Dont deeplink.

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#30 Mozelleple112
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Jesus christ people I posted a link to the website and even made an update post about it.

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#31 QQabitmoar
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You guys know what is better than a game with great gameplay? A game with great gameplay and crysis graphics. And excellent physics, and fantastic AI. When the technology behind the game, opens new gameplay mechanics, e.g., destruction in the battlefield games, physics puzzles in Half-Life 2. The great physics of half-life wouldn't be possible on outdated (for the time) hardware, and just imagine what battlefield 4 and it's destruction will look like, when bf3 looks like that.

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#32 -ArchAngeL-777-
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Im sure there is room for improvement, but I cant imagine much more. Some of these games look absolutely amazing as is. I have two questions on this: 1) Is it worth it in this economy for companies to spend the insane amount of money to develop and put out a new console within the next year or two? I would say no for Sony and Microsoft. Nintendo needs an HD console. 2) Is it worth it for us as gamers to have companies sink more and more money into making games with even better graphics and cut scenes, but then maybe sacrificing on gameplay? I would argue this is already happening in many cases. Games are already expensive to make. I dont think its good for the industry to keep piling on. Studios are having enough trouble staying open as is. Others are blaming piracy and used games sales. Well part of the problem is the $60 price tag on a new game. That wont change. Overall, I dont think a next gen is necessary or good for console gaming for at least 3-5 years.
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#33 Pug-Nasty
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I feel like cars have looked better than most other things when run on the same tech, so I'd rather see something more common used to show off graphical power.

Otherwise, I don't think anyone thinks graphics can't improve greatly from what they are, but rather the cost of doing so would likely just make it an extraordinarily rare occurence, so as to make upgrading seem not worth it anyway.

Extra power allows for more than just improved graphics. Better draw distances, more advanced A.I., improved physics. It's all tied to the power, but we are still going to be hitting a cost bottle neck at some point.

The only way to push passed that bottlneck is to increase the price of games, but everytime you do so, you potentially sell less games.

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#34 LazyMushroom
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Graphics at the moment are fine but what I would like to see is an improvement in physics. Once they have been improved, the graphics can then go on and improve because by that time the tech will be slightly more advanced. As for you statement about next gen, a new generation doesn't always mean vastly superior graphics, most of the time it's to do with innovation and such as the Wii U.

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What is deeplink?
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#36 KingsMessenger
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What is deeplink?Heil68

Linking directly to an image from a different website(thus circumventing any ads that the website would have).

Do everyone a favor and rehost the images yourself.

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#37 KingsMessenger
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Those images are going to go down again, so here are a few of them rehosted

Here are the other two:

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#38 flashn00b
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I think it's because there's practically no incentive to make high-budget PC exclusives.

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#39 theuncharted34
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Have we reached the graphical peak? No. Do we need to? No.

The Best looking console games today are still impressing, and they still look great.

I would love for next gen consoles to come out and have the traditional generational leap in graphics, but we really don't need that. Hell, if all the next gen consoles had were current gen graphics with 1080p I'd be happy.

We'll just have to see how powerful the next gen consoles are.

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#40 Half-Way
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people said the same last gen.

This isnt anything new, people do the same mistakes overagain, because they have the same way of thinking as before.

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#41 zdkapl
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I think graphics can always be improved but It just isn't as important as it used to be. It's noot like ps1 n64 games where you couldn't tell the differnce between a tree and a bush.

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#42 Mozelleple112
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Edited OP... Pictures back up. Now lazy people can stop complaining :P

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#43 WhiteKnight77
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[QUOTE="Heil68"]What is deeplink?KingsMessenger

Linking directly to an image from a different website(thus circumventing any ads that the website would have).

Do everyone a favor and rehost the images yourself.

Oh, you mean hot linking. They are synonyms honestly.

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#44 painguy1
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Too bad any practical form of Raytracing in realtime is far away

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#45 turtlethetaffer
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I am fine with the way the graphics are now.