modern military shooters in a nutshell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOHyD49DaeA&feature=channel&list=UL

I died when the sniper missed so many shots even though TB was standing out in the open

pretty funny but people need to stop whining about modern military shooters. there are plenty of other fps games out there if you dont like cod or battlefield type gamesmems_1224

Agreed, try giving other shooters a go, best one would probably be Killzone 2

Tbh, I've lost my enjoyment from TB. I think he has become too cynical for my taste nowadays, sad, he still has excellent quality videos but...I just don't enjoy him as I used to.

This seems relevant:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE_msAKWdOs

on tpic, mkaes me wnat to see how hard it is to fail some games. I wonder what his difficulty is, if its easy mode, that is usually for the people that have never touched a game before (believe it or not, most people need that difficuty)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOHyD49DaeA&feature=channel&list=UL

I died when the sniper missed so many shots even though TB was standing out in the open

NoodleFighter

Yeah that was pathetic and reminded me of a something similar I've had in Assassin's Creed Brotherhood. I fell down from some high building during a mission, and didn't want to climb all the way up again, so I just wanted to let a guard kill me. Well there was a single guard and he kept attacking me but just couldn't kill me because my health regenerated too fast. It was hilarious and quite pathetic at the same time.

Shows you how much games are being dumbed down these days.

The guy is a full of crap. Call of Duty/Medal of Honor/whatever are rail shooters. Linear, with a lot of stereotypes about military (learned from movies), and with a lot of stuff that goes boom.

The guy basically whines because he didn't get a sandbox shooter like Crysis or Far Cry. "Ooh, I don't wanna follow the objective. I would like to explore the glorious scenery of the level and then tag the building".

[QUOTE="mems_1224"]pretty funny but people need to stop whining about modern military shooters. there are plenty of other fps games out there if you dont like cod or battlefield type gamesZ-Fatalis

Agreed, try giving other shooters a go, best one would probably be Killzone 2

my reaction to your post

lol... good one.... kz2.... pfffttt... good one man, good one :D

Try... Halo3, Halo: Reach... well any Halo really... over killzone... good lord.

Heck if Halo isnt your thing... play Left 4 Dead, or Doom 3, or well.... just about anything other than Killzone 2, bleh!

[QUOTE="Z-Fatalis"]

[QUOTE="mems_1224"]pretty funny but people need to stop whining about modern military shooters. there are plenty of other fps games out there if you dont like cod or battlefield type gamesmoistsandwich

Agreed, try giving other shooters a go, best one would probably be Killzone 2

my reaction to your post

lol... good one.... kz2.... pfffttt... good one man, good one :D

Try... Halo3, Halo: Reach... well any Halo really... over killzone... good lord.

Heck if Halo isnt your thing... play Left 4 Dead, or Doom 3, or well.... just about anything other than Killzone 2, bleh!

[QUOTE="Z-Fatalis"]

[QUOTE="mems_1224"]pretty funny but people need to stop whining about modern military shooters. there are plenty of other fps games out there if you dont like cod or battlefield type gamesmoistsandwich

Agreed, try giving other shooters a go, best one would probably be Killzone 2

my reaction to your post

lol... good one.... kz2.... pfffttt... good one man, good one :D

Try... Halo3, Halo: Reach... well any Halo really... over killzone... good lord.

Heck if Halo isnt your thing... play Left 4 Dead, or Doom 3, or well.... just about anything other than Killzone 2, bleh!

Wow lol... your actually really butthurt, I knew some people would disagree but L4D? Doom? lol wow, Killzone 2 really does get people butthurt :lol:

[QUOTE="moistsandwich"]

[QUOTE="Z-Fatalis"]

Agreed, try giving other shooters a go, best one would probably be Killzone 2

Z-Fatalis

my reaction to your post

lol... good one.... kz2.... pfffttt... good one man, good one :D

Try... Halo3, Halo: Reach... well any Halo really... over killzone... good lord.

Heck if Halo isnt your thing... play Left 4 Dead, or Doom 3, or well.... just about anything other than Killzone 2, bleh!

Wow lol... your actually really butthurt, I knew some people would disagree but L4D? Doom? lol wow, Killzone 2 really does get people butthurt :lol:

[QUOTE="Z-Fatalis"]

[QUOTE="moistsandwich"]

my reaction to your post

lol... good one.... kz2.... pfffttt... good one man, good one :D

Try... Halo3, Halo: Reach... well any Halo really... over killzone... good lord.

Heck if Halo isnt your thing... play Left 4 Dead, or Doom 3, or well.... just about anything other than Killzone 2, bleh!

mems_1224

Wow lol... your actually really butthurt, I knew some people would disagree but L4D? Doom? lol wow, Killzone 2 really does get people butthurt :lol:

Whats the matter bro? Skillzone 2 got you riled up? :cool:

[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="Z-Fatalis"]

Wow lol... your actually really butthurt, I knew some people would disagree but L4D? Doom? lol wow, Killzone 2 really does get people butthurt :lol:

Z-Fatalis

Whats the matter bro? Skillzone 2 got you riled up? :cool:

lol this game is so bad, but still better than halo

The guy is a full of crap. Call of Duty/Medal of Honor/whatever are rail shooters. Linear, with a lot of stereotypes about military (learned from movies), and with a lot of stuff that goes boom.

The guy basically whines because he didn't get a sandbox shooter like Crysis or Far Cry. "Ooh, I don't wanna follow the objective. I would like to explore the glorious scenery of the level and then tag the building".

IgGy621985

The last thing I want to do is defend this game, but I do agree with you. This guy is just whining.

lol this game is so bad, but still better than halo

Liquid_

I lol'd pretty hard during that video. Hard to disagree with the man, though. He's spot on.

[QUOTE="Liquid_"]

lol this game is so bad, but still better than halo

jessejay420

lol this game is so bad, but still better than halo

Liquid_

[QUOTE="jessejay420"][QUOTE="Liquid_"]

lol this game is so bad, but still better than halo

Liquid_

[QUOTE="Liquid_"]

[QUOTE="jessejay420"] how is it better than halo? especially since its not in direct competition with Halo.jessejay420

regurgitated space sci fi shooter vs generic modern shooter..

easier to get immersed into something that could happen

[QUOTE="Liquid_"]

[QUOTE="jessejay420"] how is it better than halo? especially since its not in direct competition with Halo.jessejay420

Just ignore him. He's...."special".

[QUOTE="mems_1224"]pretty funny but people need to stop whining about modern military shooters. there are plenty of other fps games out there if you dont like cod or battlefield type gamesZ-Fatalis

Agreed, try giving other shooters a go, best one would probably be Killzone 2

Um, HALO.

[QUOTE="jessejay420"][QUOTE="Liquid_"]

Liquid_

regurgitated space sci fi shooter vs generic modern shooter..

easier to get immersed into something that could happen

[QUOTE="jessejay420"][QUOTE="Liquid_"]

Liquid_

regurgitated space sci fi shooter vs generic modern shooter..

easier to get immersed into something that could happen

Actually not regurgitated. They do a pretty steller job of keeping that series fresh (axe ODST).

[QUOTE="Z-Fatalis"]

[QUOTE="moistsandwich"]

my reaction to your post

lol... good one.... kz2.... pfffttt... good one man, good one :D

Try... Halo3, Halo: Reach... well any Halo really... over killzone... good lord.

Heck if Halo isnt your thing... play Left 4 Dead, or Doom 3, or well.... just about anything other than Killzone 2, bleh!

mems_1224

Wow lol... your actually really butthurt, I knew some people would disagree but L4D? Doom? lol wow, Killzone 2 really does get people butthurt :lol:

[QUOTE="moistsandwich"]

[QUOTE="Z-Fatalis"]

Agreed, try giving other shooters a go, best one would probably be Killzone 2

mems_1224

my reaction to your post

lol... good one.... kz2.... pfffttt... good one man, good one :D

Try... Halo3, Halo: Reach... well any Halo really... over killzone... good lord.

Heck if Halo isnt your thing... play Left 4 Dead, or Doom 3, or well.... just about anything other than Killzone 2, bleh!

Well... I'm "moistsandwich" of course.

srsly though... I'm not sure what you mean.

Are questioning who i am because you disagree with my statements about KZ2? or...?

I've played a lot of games.... I've never played a game that made my stomach turn, until KZ2... dat camera, dem controls... bleh.

Hey look a tight corridor... that leads into another corridor... guess where that corridor leads... nope not a corridor... a small cramped room, YIPPEE!

Seriously, the only thing that series has going for it, are the visuals.... its a pretty nice looking game.... as long as you dont watch it in motion, then you're liable to

throw up a lung.

[QUOTE="Liquid_"]

[QUOTE="jessejay420"] what the? :? no response i see. oh well.GOGOGOGURT

regurgitated space sci fi shooter vs generic modern shooter..

easier to get immersed into something that could happen

Actually not regurgitated. They do a pretty steller job of keeping that series fresh (axe ODST).

Yah, it's one of the bigger reasons I'm so much more into PC gaming this gen than last.

The only quality FPS on consoles is the Halo series. Other than that it's either stuff that's downright terrible, or CoD/CoD clones (which are not good games for someone who likes actually playing video games).

[QUOTE="mems_1224"]pretty funny but people need to stop whining about modern military shooters. there are plenty of other fps games out there if you dont like cod or battlefield type gamesZ-Fatalis

Agreed, try giving other shooters a go, best one would probably be Killzone 2

[QUOTE="Z-Fatalis"]

[QUOTE="mems_1224"]pretty funny but people need to stop whining about modern military shooters. there are plenty of other fps games out there if you dont like cod or battlefield type gamesDragonfireXZ95

Agreed, try giving other shooters a go, best one would probably be Killzone 2

A PS3 fanboy? They've never experienced an actual good shooter.

He's complaining about nothing. He wants to backtrack. That's it.

What's the difference between Doom and MoH Warfighter? Not much. You go into room, kill things, and move on. Nothing special, no exploration, nothing. He made a video that will be agreed upon by every angry PC fanboy on the internet. That's all.

He struck while the iron is hot. Nothing to really see here.

He's speaking like a politican. An entire video and he doesn't actually say anything.

He's complaining about nothing. He wants to backtrack. That's it.

Wasdie

This.

I really don't understand why people feel the need to "explore" in every single game.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

He's complaining about nothing. He wants to backtrack. That's it.

megadeth1117

This.

I really don't understand why people feel the need to "explore" in every single game.

Really. Listen to his arguments. They don't exist. he's just complaining to complain and he knows that every disgruntled PC gamer will just agree with him out of spite.

Here's an awesome truth, FPS gaming has changed very little over the years. Probably the least of any genre. The basic principle haven't changed at all. Just the technical details.

Even more hilarious is how pointless it is. There are dozens of shooters that are radcially different than military shooters. On my PC I have ArmA 2, Nexus, Stalker, Metro, Mirror's Edge, CoD MW3, Battlefield 3, MoH Warfighter, Serious Sam 3, Red Orchestra 2, Crysis, Day of Defeat Source, CS Global ops...

Tell me straight, is the FPS genre nothing but modern military shooters? No. They freaken arn't. This guy is full of himself and wants hits on his youtube channel.

[QUOTE="megadeth1117"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

He's complaining about nothing. He wants to backtrack. That's it.

Wasdie

This.

I really don't understand why people feel the need to "explore" in every single game.

Really. Listen to his arguments. They don't exist. he's just complaining to complain and he knows that every disgruntled PC gamer will just agree with him out of spite.

Here's an awesome truth, FPS gaming has changed very little over the years. Probably the least of any genre. The basic principle haven't changed at all. Just the technical details.

Even more hilarious is how pointless it is. There are dozens of shooters that are radcially different than military shooters. On my PC I have ArmA 2, Nexus, Stalker, Metro, Mirror's Edge, CoD MW3, Battlefield 3, MoH Warfighter, Serious Sam 3, Red Orchestra 2, Crysis, Day of Defeat Source, CS Global ops...

Tell me straight, is the FPS genre nothing but modern military shooters? No. They freaken arn't. This guy is full of himself and wants hits on his youtube channel.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="megadeth1117"]

This.

I really don't understand why people feel the need to "explore" in every single game.

game_masta14

Really. Listen to his arguments. They don't exist. he's just complaining to complain and he knows that every disgruntled PC gamer will just agree with him out of spite.

Here's an awesome truth, FPS gaming has changed very little over the years. Probably the least of any genre. The basic principle haven't changed at all. Just the technical details.

Even more hilarious is how pointless it is. There are dozens of shooters that are radcially different than military shooters. On my PC I have ArmA 2, Nexus, Stalker, Metro, Mirror's Edge, CoD MW3, Battlefield 3, MoH Warfighter, Serious Sam 3, Red Orchestra 2, Crysis, Day of Defeat Source, CS Global ops...

Tell me straight, is the FPS genre nothing but modern military shooters? No. They freaken arn't. This guy is full of himself and wants hits on his youtube channel.

I would believe that, but then I realize Firefall, Planetside 2, ArmA 3, Metro Last Light, Painkiller Hell & Damnation, and Bioshock Infinite are coming out and games like Tribes Ascend, Borderlands 2, Nexus, Counter Strike Global Offensive, Darkness 2, Serious Sam 3... all of those are out and are relativly new.

CoD has had way less of an influence than people want to admit.

[QUOTE="megadeth1117"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

He's complaining about nothing. He wants to backtrack. That's it.

Wasdie

This.

I really don't understand why people feel the need to "explore" in every single game.

Really. Listen to his arguments. They don't exist. he's just complaining to complain and he knows that every disgruntled PC gamer will just agree with him out of spite.

Here's an awesome truth, FPS gaming has changed very little over the years. Probably the least of any genre. The basic principle haven't changed at all. Just the technical details.

Even more hilarious is how pointless it is. There are dozens of shooters that are radcially different than military shooters. On my PC I have ArmA 2, Nexus, Stalker, Metro, Mirror's Edge, CoD MW3, Battlefield 3, MoH Warfighter, Serious Sam 3, Red Orchestra 2, Crysis, Day of Defeat Source, CS Global ops...

Tell me straight, is the FPS genre nothing but modern military shooters? No. They freaken arn't. This guy is full of himself and wants hits on his youtube channel.

Very well put.

It's so damn ridiculous how so many whine and moan about how games like the Call of Duty franchise are destroying the "glory days" of FPS when it's more or a less a natural evolution of it's predecessors. Warfigher isn't a bad game because it's linear, it's just a generally mediocre game. If someone wants to play something that relies on exploration, there are games like Skyrim and Fallout. To expect that from an FPS is just nonsense.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="megadeth1117"]

This.

I really don't understand why people feel the need to "explore" in every single game.

megadeth1117

Really. Listen to his arguments. They don't exist. he's just complaining to complain and he knows that every disgruntled PC gamer will just agree with him out of spite.

Here's an awesome truth, FPS gaming has changed very little over the years. Probably the least of any genre. The basic principle haven't changed at all. Just the technical details.

Even more hilarious is how pointless it is. There are dozens of shooters that are radcially different than military shooters. On my PC I have ArmA 2, Nexus, Stalker, Metro, Mirror's Edge, CoD MW3, Battlefield 3, MoH Warfighter, Serious Sam 3, Red Orchestra 2, Crysis, Day of Defeat Source, CS Global ops...

Tell me straight, is the FPS genre nothing but modern military shooters? No. They freaken arn't. This guy is full of himself and wants hits on his youtube channel.

Very well put.

It's so damn ridiculous how so many whine and moan about how games like the Call of Duty franchise are destroying the "glory days" of FPS when it's more or a less a natural evolution of it's predecessors. Warfigher isn't a bad game because it's linear, it's just a generally mediocre game. If someone wants to play something that relies on exploration, there are games like Skyrim and Fallout. To expect that from an FPS is just nonsense.

If you don't want to play Medal of Honor, don't play it. Simple as that. Tons of other games to play. Nobody forces you to play these and nobody is stopping making unique FPSs or oldschool FPSs.

There is such a high volume of games coming out, there is something for everybody. Back in the day one game would come out every 2-3 months at the most. Even then, those games weren't all FPSs. You usually had 1-2 FPSs that came out all year that were high enough quality to play. You cherished those games because it's all you had. You developed some attachment to them. This is why they are loved so much.

This isn't the case anymore. The variety is huge, the amout of games is massive. The majority of games that come out are going to be for different audiences. Just accept that and life is a lot eaiser. If you sit there and complain about how all games suck then you're wasting your time. There will always be games for all audiences. Not every game will be what you're looking for. It's that simple.

[QUOTE="game_masta14"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Really. Listen to his arguments. They don't exist. he's just complaining to complain and he knows that every disgruntled PC gamer will just agree with him out of spite.

Here's an awesome truth, FPS gaming has changed very little over the years. Probably the least of any genre. The basic principle haven't changed at all. Just the technical details.

Even more hilarious is how pointless it is. There are dozens of shooters that are radcially different than military shooters. On my PC I have ArmA 2, Nexus, Stalker, Metro, Mirror's Edge, CoD MW3, Battlefield 3, MoH Warfighter, Serious Sam 3, Red Orchestra 2, Crysis, Day of Defeat Source, CS Global ops...

Tell me straight, is the FPS genre nothing but modern military shooters? No. They freaken arn't. This guy is full of himself and wants hits on his youtube channel.

Wasdie

I would believe that, but then I realize Firefall, Planetside 2, ArmA 3, Metro Last Light, Painkiller Hell & Damnation, and Bioshock Infinite are coming out and games like Tribes Ascend, Borderlands 2, Nexus, Counter Strike Global Offensive, Darkness 2, Serious Sam 3... all of those are out and are relativly new.

CoD has had way less of an influence than people want to admit.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="game_masta14"]The FPS genre may be more than just modern military shooters but you have to admit that the modern military shooter today (mainly from CoD) has been influencing other FPS's over the past few years. The one I remember that really pains me the most that got the full effect was Resistance 2 (I enjoyed the series, haters can hate all they want) which completely got an overhaul in the worst way where it felt like I was playing CoD with aliens. First game gave you an arsenal of weapons to play with and a pretty open battlefield to tackle your objective in. Second makes it feel more linear than it should and only lets you have two weapons and regenerative health. I'm glad to see games like Dishonored changing things up a bit, but military shooters like MoH Warfighter need to do more to be an overall good game. game_masta14

I would believe that, but then I realize Firefall, Planetside 2, ArmA 3, Metro Last Light, Painkiller Hell & Damnation, and Bioshock Infinite are coming out and games like Tribes Ascend, Borderlands 2, Nexus, Counter Strike Global Offensive, Darkness 2, Serious Sam 3... all of those are out and are relativly new.

CoD has had way less of an influence than people want to admit.

The second you say "dumb down" you literally discredit yourself (not to offend you). There is no "dumbing down", there is simply making a game for a different market.

You're looking at big budget games trying appeal to the broadest audiences possible, of course you're going to be disapointed. It's like trying to find story and character development in a Michael Bay flick. It's just not there.

Games get popular, their budgets get bigger as the publisher expects higher returns, they need to appeal to broader audiences to make those higher returns. I'll be willing to bet Dead Space 3 is more expensive than Dead Space 1 and 2 combined. You cannot just bank on the existing audiences to carry your game to higher sales. It is a recipe for disaster. If you don't have any room for horizontal growth, you won't have any extra profit. You can keep making gmaes in the series but if they don't appeal to a new audience, you'll just bleed consumers until you aren't making money and are forced to lower the game's budget.

Is it bad for the fans? Of course. Fans love to see the same thing over and over and over depsite what they post on the forums. The real issue is that developers need to stop pumping millions and millions into game series that don't have room for horizontal growth (good example is Ace Combat, they pumped a lot of extra money trying to appeal to a new audience and then the game just flopped hard and didn't make up the money becuase the game had no horizontal grow potential). This has nothing to do with CoD, rather the publisher's mentality that they need to grow their fanbase no matter what the source material is. Nothing more. If you try to milk the existing customers over and over while increasing the budget, you'll make less money. Thus you need to appeal to greater audiences.

In the end it's people trying to make a lot of money off of popular ideas. That's all it is. Yes it does contribute to radically changing franchises, but at the same time it's not the death of gaming. There are always new games and new ideas despite whatever the big publishers are doing. So in the end it doesn't matter.

[QUOTE="game_masta14"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

I would believe that, but then I realize Firefall, Planetside 2, ArmA 3, Metro Last Light, Painkiller Hell & Damnation, and Bioshock Infinite are coming out and games like Tribes Ascend, Borderlands 2, Nexus, Counter Strike Global Offensive, Darkness 2, Serious Sam 3... all of those are out and are relativly new.

CoD has had way less of an influence than people want to admit.

Wasdie

The second you say "dumb down" you literally discredit yourself (not to offend you). There is no "dumbing down", there is simply making a game for a different market.

You're looking at big budget games trying appeal to the broadest audiences possible, of course you're going to be disapointed. It's like trying to find story and character development in a Michael Bay flick. It's just not there.

Games get popular, their budgets get bigger as the publisher expects higher returns, they need to appeal to broader audiences to make those higher returns. I'll be willing to bet Dead Space 3 is more expensive than Dead Space 1 and 2 combined. You cannot just bank on the existing audiences to carry your game to higher sales. It is a recipe for disaster. If you don't have any room for horizontal growth, you won't have any extra profit. You can keep making gmaes in the series but if they don't appeal to a new audience, you'll just bleed consumers until you aren't making money and are forced to lower the game's budget.

Is it bad for the fans? Of course. Fans love to see the same thing over and over and over depsite what they post on the forums. The real issue is that developers need to stop pumping millions and millions into game series that don't have room for horizontal growth (good example is Ace Combat, they pumped a lot of extra money trying to appeal to a new audience and then the game just flopped hard and didn't make up the money becuase the game had no horizontal grow potential). This has nothing to do with CoD, rather the publisher's mentality that they need to grow their fanbase no matter what the source material is. Nothing more. If you try to milk the existing customers over and over while increasing the budget, you'll make less money. Thus you need to appeal to greater audiences.

In the end it's people trying to make a lot of money off of popular ideas. That's all it is. Yes it does contribute to radically changing franchises, but at the same time it's not the death of gaming. There are always new games and new ideas despite whatever the big publishers are doing. So in the end it doesn't matter.

Unfortunately, it seems to be a lot easier to complain and blame Activision than to understand these basic concepts.