Motion Controls: Sony Wiimote=copycat--Natal=inovative... what we expected....

I want to preface this by saying I don't get too nuts about the drama between the two sides... Good games is good games and thats that, but I can't help but to see the rise of the motion control being another tell tale sign that while Sony continues to copy the trend, Microsoft makes bolder moves in innovating whats currently there. Just an observation....

In what Natal is innovative exactly? Copied EyeToy and pushed a bit furtherMonsieurX

Also, PS Eye can do some Natal stuff (head tracking, face recognition etc.) http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-vs-playstation-move-article

Sony copied Nintendo and Microsoft copied Sony

Did you forget about the Eyetoy? Nintendo is the only one being original.

Sony copied Nintendo and Microsoft copied Sony

Did you forget about the Eyetoy? Nintendo is the only one being original.

mariokart97

Sony copied Nintendo and Microsoft copied Sony

Did you forget about the Eyetoy? Nintendo is the only one being original.

mariokart97

nintendo is the only one that is ever being original....hahahaah

Natal technology is diffrent then EyeToy, Move technology is also diffrent them Wiimote...

Still both work the same for users, both are supperior to there "sources of inspiration"

Nopthing change the fact that Natal is not first "controler, without controler"... EyeToy was first

So much for innovation...

It seems a lot of you don't know what the word innovative means. Innovative means taking one idea and expanding upon it. Giving something brand new ideas that have not been done before. The Playstation Move is blatant and obvious rip-off of the Wii-mote. It is basically a new designed Wii-mote. Natal is taking human motion sensoring (something that Sony did not come up with) and expanding on it, by a lot.xTheExploited

It seems a lot of you don't know what the word innovative means. Innovative means taking one idea and expanding upon it. Giving something brand new ideas that have not been done before. The Playstation Move is blatant and obvious rip-off of the Wii-mote. It is basically a new designed Wii-mote. Natal is taking human motion sensoring (something that Sony did not come up with) and expanding on it, by a lot.xTheExploited

Innovate:to introduce something new; make changes in anything established.

Yeah, people tend to forget that second part quite a bit.

It doesn't surprise me. Microsoft could create the cure for cancer and people will still find something bad to say about it.

Sony's Eyetoy/PSeye?
Also aperantly sony was making a motion control wand like thingy since 2003, and nintendo since 2001. Sony isnt realy copycatting, just jumping on the motion controll bandwagon, a little late

[QUOTE="xTheExploited"]It seems a lot of you don't know what the word innovative means. Innovative means taking one idea and expanding upon it. Giving something brand new ideas that have not been done before. The Playstation Move is blatant and obvious rip-off of the Wii-mote. It is basically a new designed Wii-mote. Natal is taking human motion sensoring (something that Sony did not come up with) and expanding on it, by a lot.ktrotter11

If the PS3mote is a rip-off, then the MSEye is also a rip-off... :/

People really need to stop having these illusions about how "innovative" one company is.

Besides, regardless of how strongly MS PR wants everyone to think this was fully created internally, it's blatantly apparent 3DV made such technology prior, and shopped it around.

"Move also takes care of the basics. When I spoke with Kudo Tsunoda at gamescom last year, I was surprised that you couldn't point with Project Natal. As Anton Mikhailov powers up one of his myriad tech demos, it's clear that Move does pretty much everything a developer or gamer could want from it. Armed with twin wands, he's pointing as you would with a light gun or laser pen. " Conversation over ;)ktrotter11

just sayin'....

Natal isn't innovative. We already have the Playstation EyeToy.

motion controls are jokes anyway. keyboard/mouse and dual analog stick controllers are where its at.

Sony copied something proved its success and MS copied something failed miserably.

Natal isn't innovative. We already have the Playstation EyeToy.

The-Mosher

Again.

Innovate:to introduce something new;make changes in anything established.

"Who is the more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him?"

I'd like to adapt this old Obi-wan adage to innovation:: "Who is the more innovative, the innovator who creates the idea, or the innovator who better utilizes the idea and uses it to its full potential?"

Is Kill.Switch the definitive third person shooter that uses cover mechanics? No, it is Gears of War. A game that came after Kill.Switch and "copied" it.

Nice comparison of 3 controllers: http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1407022&postcount=1627

"Wiimote:
- camera detects basic X-Y movement, when pointing towards the tv
- accelerometer detects quick directional changes / movements
- gyroscope (only with Motion+) detects how the Wiimote is being held (roll & pitch)
- force feedback(rumble)
- works in various lighting conditions

Natal:
- camera allows body and head tracking of the player
- microphone in camera recognizes sounds and voice
- no controler
- no force feedback(rumble)
- problems with adapting to lighting conditions/players clothes

Move:
- camera detects X-Y-Z movement, no matter where you're pointing (unless the ball is behind another object)
- accelerometer detects quick directional changes / movements
- gyroscope detects how the Move is being held (roll & pitch)
- compass knows where it's being pointed (yaw)
- the camera also allows body and head tracking/recognition of the player
- microphone in camera recognizes sounds and voice
- force feedback(rumble)
- works in various lighting conditions
- sub-milimetre precision on X/Y axis, up to 1 centimetre precision on Z axis"

It seems a lot of you don't know what the word innovative means. Innovative means taking one idea and expanding upon it. Giving something brand new ideas that have not been done before. The Playstation Move is blatant and obvious rip-off of the Wii-mote. It is basically a new designed Wii-mote. Natal is taking human motion sensoring (something that Sony did not come up with) and expanding on it, by a lot.xTheExploited

Nice comparison of 3 controllers: http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1407022&postcount=1627

"Wiimote:
- camera detects basic X-Y movement, when pointing towards the tv
- accelerometer detects quick directional changes / movements
- gyroscope (only with Motion+) detects how the Wiimote is being held (roll & pitch)
- force feedback(rumble)
- works in various lighting conditions

Natal:
- camera allows body and head tracking of the player
- microphone in camera recognizes sounds and voice
- no controler
- no force feedback(rumble)
- problems with adapting to lighting conditions/players clothes

Move:
- camera detects X-Y-Z movement, no matter where you're pointing (unless the ball is behind another object)
- accelerometer detects quick directional changes / movements
- gyroscope detects how the Move is being held (roll & pitch)
- compass knows where it's being pointed (yaw)
- the camera also allows body and head tracking/recognition of the player
- microphone in camera recognizes sounds and voice
- force feedback(rumble)
- works in various lighting conditions
- sub-milimetre precision on X/Y axis, up to 1 centimetre precision on Z axis"

sayonara89

It doesn't surprise me. Microsoft could create the cure for cancer and people will still find something bad to say about it.

heretrix

Well, that depends. Are we talking about THE cure for cancer or a trailer where they say they've found the cure for cancer, and then let only a few people from the media try this cure for cancer that everyone else on the interwebs is hyping based on that one trailer?

Sony copied Nintendo and Microsoft copied Sony

Did you forget about the Eyetoy? Nintendo is the only one being original.

Move = a better wii Natal = a better eyetoy Brainkiller05

link?or you played the move already?

[QUOTE="xTheExploited"]It seems a lot of you don't know what the word innovative means. Innovative means taking one idea and expanding upon it. Giving something brand new ideas that have not been done before. The Playstation Move is blatant and obvious rip-off of the Wii-mote. It is basically a new designed Wii-mote. Natal is taking human motion sensoring (something that Sony did not come up with) and expanding on it, by a lot.heretrix

Innovate:to introduce something new; make changes in anything established.

Yeah, people tend to forget that second part quite a bit.

It doesn't surprise me. Microsoft could create the cure for cancer and people will still find something bad to say about it.

IMO Microsoft's intent wasn't to copy the EyeToy. Sony's intent was to copy the Wiimote. That's the difference.

You cannot say that Microsoft "copied" the EyeToy because device-less motion control is a concept that people will work toward. That's like saying if someone put out a great virtual reality device, they copied everyone else who ever invented a VR device. No they didn't-- VR is a concept. Motion control is a concept-- Sony just happened to reinvent the Wiimote.

• Move = wiimotion(++)eyetoy(+) combo
• NATAL = eyetoy 2

Here's a really good read about the playstatin Move , the event , and the games. It sheds some light on some things.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-vs-playstation-move-article

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

Innovate:to introduce something new; make changes in anything established.

Yeah, people tend to forget that second part quite a bit.

It doesn't surprise me. Microsoft could create the cure for cancer and people will still find something bad to say about it.

Ragnarok1051

Werid that you say that because there is a feature on the ps3 that is devoted to cancer research

It's the SAME THING. Sony made a Wii controller for their PS3. Look how awesome Sixaxis is. Very exciting stuff. I love Wii games and PS3 games that use a lot of Sixaxis controls. I mean who doesn't.:lol:

Oh, and Natal looks even cooler. I hate using controllers to play video games. I would rather jump around like a fool.:lol:

[QUOTE="The-Mosher"]

Natal isn't innovative. We already have the Playstation EyeToy.

heretrix

Again.

Innovate:to introduce something new;make changes in anything established.

So move is innovative after all its more accurate from what I hear and thats a change. Dude no matter how hard you try to fight it natal isint innovative its just a little better eyetoy same thing goes for the move and how its a little better then a wiimote.

This is simple. Either Natal is going to flop or it's going to add a controller to it's Natal games. And I can't wait for the excuse they give for it too. It's okay if the takers make the original better. In which all examples they do.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="The-Mosher"]

Natal isn't innovative. We already have the Playstation EyeToy.

Again.

Innovate:to introduce something new;make changes in anything established.

So move is innovative after all its more accurate from what I hear and thats a change. Dude no matter how hard you try to fight it natal isint innovative its just a little better eyetoy same thing goes for the move and how its a little better then a wiimote.

I want to preface this by saying I don't get too nuts about the drama between the two sides... Good games is good games and thats that, but I can't help but to see the rise of the motion control being another tell tale sign that while Sony continues to copy the trend, Microsoft makes bolder moves in innovating whats currently there. Just an observation....

TheEroica

Kind of like Sony using Blu-ray while Microsoft stuck with DVD

Wow... A lot of people are lost... To say Natal is a copy of Eyetoy is just..... Wrong. If Natal is a copy of the Eyetoy/PSEye, why would Sony need Move? Why not just stick with the PSEye, if it's just like Natal? :lol: Think about it, instead of being too proud of a fanboy to admit Natal is innovative.MortalDecay

. I dont get it. Its very obvious natal is a eyetoy just with a bit more function. Like move is a wiimote but a bit more accurate. Sony didint stick with the eyetoy cause they wanted to show a new product to make the move seem fresh and innovative.

pretty sure move isnt a copy of nintendo. their controller wasnt revealed until tgs 2005.

sony was investing in the technology before nintendo ever revealed it.

[QUOTE="Brainkiller05"]Move = a better wii Natal = a better eyetoy Mario1331

link?or you played the move already?

pretty sure move isnt a copy of nintendo. their controller wasnt revealed until tgs 2005.

sony was investing in the technology before nintendo ever revealed it.

antifanboyftw

Nice comparison of 3 controllers: http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1407022&postcount=1627

"Wiimote:
- camera detects basic X-Y movement, when pointing towards the tv
- accelerometer detects quick directional changes / movements
- gyroscope (only with Motion+) detects how the Wiimote is being held (roll & pitch)
- force feedback(rumble)
- works in various lighting conditions

Natal:
- camera allows body and head tracking of the player
- microphone in camera recognizes sounds and voice
- no controler
- no force feedback(rumble)
- problems with adapting to lighting conditions/players clothes

Move:
- camera detects X-Y-Z movement, no matter where you're pointing (unless the ball is behind another object)
- accelerometer detects quick directional changes / movements
- gyroscope detects how the Move is being held (roll & pitch)
- compass knows where it's being pointed (yaw)
- the camera also allows body and head tracking/recognition of the player
- microphone in camera recognizes sounds and voice
- force feedback(rumble)
- works in various lighting conditions
- sub-milimetre precision on X/Y axis, up to 1 centimetre precision on Z axis"

sayonara89

Great comparison, seems to me the Move is the best right now in terms of features ;)

pretty sure move isnt a copy of nintendo. their controller wasnt revealed until tgs 2005.

sony was investing in the technology before nintendo ever revealed it.

antifanboyftw

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="The-Mosher"]

Natal isn't innovative. We already have the Playstation EyeToy.

finalfantasy94

Again.

Innovate:to introduce something new;make changes in anything established.

So move is innovative after all its more accurate from what I hear and thats a change. Dude no matter how hard you try to fight it natal isint innovative its just a little better eyetoy same thing goes for the move and how its a little better then a wiimote.

If you think that controlling your console without a controller isn't innovative, then it's pretty clear you don't know a thing about innovation. Natal isn't only a controller for the games, it's controlling your entire console. Innovation isn't only the act of creating something new as many people seem to think, it is the adaptation of something that exists already and making it BETTER. So, if Natal pulls off what Eyetoy can't because of the changes MS did, IT IS INNOVATIVE.

Being innovative is rarely about being original, Dude. There aren't many things out there that we are doing that haven't been done before. It's just that someone has figured out a wat to do it better, thus making it FEEL fresh.