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#1 Fried_Shrimp
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The problem with Sony is they don't get that motion sensing is best used in games like Zack & Wiki, Silent Hill Shattered Memories, and to some degree Pikmin since RTS has otherwise never worked on consoles.

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Unlike Cows I have been enjoying motion sensing for about 5 years now and I know when it works and when it doesn't. Repeatedly doing a punch gesture is not a good implementation of motion control. It doesn't make you think. It's rubbish. It proves that Sony do not understand motion control and that's why Move is a failure.

Cows would be extremely lucky to get a good motion sensing game on the PS3. Unfortunately for them it is more likely that they will have to make do with repetitive pointless motions like as shown above.

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#2 campzor
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The problem with Sony is they don't get that motion sensing is best used in games like Zack & Wiki, Silent Hill Shattered Memories, and to some degree Pikmin since RTS has otherwise never worked on consoles.

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Unlike Cows I have been enjoying motion sensing for about 5 years now and I know when it works and when it doesn't. Repeatedly doing a punch gesture is not a good implementation of motion control. It doesn't make you think. It's rubbish. It proves that Sony do not understand motion control and that's why Move is a failure.

Cows would be extremely lucky to get a good motion sensing game on the PS3. Unfortunately for them it is more likely that they will have to make do with repetitive pointless motions like as shown above.

Fried_Shrimp

*cough*... boxing in wii sports.....

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#3 aia89
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there are many games on the wii that don't make a good use of motion sensing either. the joypad is still the best solution.
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#4 Fried_Shrimp
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>

*cough*... boxing in wii sports.....

campzor
Yeah it's crap. Have you played Zack & Wiki, Silent Hill Shattered Memories Wii, or New Play Control Pikmin? If you have I would love to know.
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#5 Pug-Nasty
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It's been said before, but there are more games on the Wii that make crap use of the motion controls than there are that make good use of them. Replacing button presses with a random gesture is not adequate and on the PS3, where a standard pad is available, not acceptable.

Simply put, proper use of the Move will be limited to games like Boom Blox, where there's literally no other way to achieve the same gameplay with a pad. The same is true on the Wii, but on the Wii motion controls are shoehorned in to games for no reason, other than that they are standard on the system.

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[QUOTE="campzor"]>

*cough*... boxing in wii sports.....

Fried_Shrimp
Yeah it's crap. Have you played Zack & Wiki, Silent Hill Shattered Memories Wii, or New Play Control Pikmin? If you have I would love to know.

no i havnt... have u played re5 w/move , heavy rain w/move ?
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#7 Fried_Shrimp
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It's been said before, but there are more games on the Wii that make crap use of the motion controls than there are that make good use of them. Replacing button presses with a random gesture is not adequate and on the PS3, where a standard pad is available, not acceptable.

Simply put, proper use of the Move will be limited to games like Boom Blox, where there's literally no other way to achieve the same gameplay with a pad. The same is true on the Wii, but on the Wii motion controls are shoehorned in to games for no reason, other than that they are standard on the system.

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Boom Blox is a fairly good example of motion controls. My point is that there are some good games on the Wii, but even then not all those games make good use of motion controls. Instead of repeating Wii's failures like Sony seem to be doing, they should be trying to emulate Wii's better motion controlled games. Good that PS3 might be getting Boom Blox. Bad that there are no original games on Playstation 3 that make good use of motion gesture.
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#8 Fried_Shrimp
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[QUOTE="Fried_Shrimp"][QUOTE="campzor"]>

*cough*... boxing in wii sports.....

campzor
Yeah it's crap. Have you played Zack & Wiki, Silent Hill Shattered Memories Wii, or New Play Control Pikmin? If you have I would love to know.

no i havnt... have u played re5 w/move , heavy rain w/move ?

I've played Resident Evil 4 with move and it's good, but then I can't stand Resident Evil 5. Hopefully Heavy Rain is good and doesn't involve repetitive strain injury. Are there any Move specific puzzles in Heavy Rain?
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The problem with Sony is they don't get that motion sensing is best used in games like Zack & Wiki, Silent Hill Shattered Memories, and to some degree Pikmin since RTS has otherwise never worked on consoles.

What's wrong with this picture?

Unlike Cows I have been enjoying motion sensing for about 5 years now and I know when it works and when it doesn't. Repeatedly doing a punch gesture is not a good implementation of motion control. It doesn't make you think. It's rubbish. It proves that Sony do not understand motion control and that's why Move is a failure.

Cows would be extremely lucky to get a good motion sensing game on the PS3. Unfortunately for them it is more likely that they will have to make do with repetitive pointless motions like as shown above.

Fried_Shrimp

You know its a biased post when someone keeps addressing a group of people cows,sheep,lemmings etc (this may sound strange but people would still understand if you address a group of gamers as PS3 fans, Wii Fans etc etc)

Back on topic, Move hasnt been out for 4yrs but just a few months so we still need to see more games before judging... same applies to Kinect..

Personally I've seen motion controls being implemented greatly in some Wii games but there were much more titles were motions controls were crap and didnt improve gameplay / gaming experience.. Its not just Move!!

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The problem with Sony is they don't get that motion sensing is best used in games like Zack & Wiki, Silent Hill Shattered Memories, and to some degree Pikmin since RTS has otherwise never worked on consoles.

What's wrong with this picture?

Unlike Cows I have been enjoying motion sensing for about 5 years now and I know when it works and when it doesn't. Repeatedly doing a punch gesture is not a good implementation of motion control. It doesn't make you think. It's rubbish. It proves that Sony do not understand motion control and that's why Move is a failure.

Cows would be extremely lucky to get a good motion sensing game on the PS3. Unfortunately for them it is more likely that they will have to make do with repetitive pointless motions like as shown above.

Fried_Shrimp

The ps3 move offers pinpoint accuracy unlike the wii controller, so games which rely on such high accuracy and want to implement a motion sensing gameplay, can be done so on the ps3. For example when i'm playing Killzone 3, i will be able to reliably give headshots to the helghan soldiers, while moving my hand in a similar fashion to how a rifle would be held. This offers me a more immersive and absorbing gameplay experience, while you enjoy the cartoonish and unrealistic environments that your console is capable of rendering.

Secondly, you say that all motion ps3 games, will be similar the 5 sec clip, you showed. LOL judging all the ps3 games by a mere 5 sec clip. Genius.

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all this from a kevin butler ad
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[QUOTE="Fried_Shrimp"]

The problem with Sony is they don't get that motion sensing is best used in games like Zack & Wiki, Silent Hill Shattered Memories, and to some degree Pikmin since RTS has otherwise never worked on consoles.

What's wrong with this picture?

Unlike Cows I have been enjoying motion sensing for about 5 years now and I know when it works and when it doesn't. Repeatedly doing a punch gesture is not a good implementation of motion control. It doesn't make you think. It's rubbish. It proves that Sony do not understand motion control and that's why Move is a failure.

Cows would be extremely lucky to get a good motion sensing game on the PS3. Unfortunately for them it is more likely that they will have to make do with repetitive pointless motions like as shown above.

Malta_1980

You know its a biased post when someone keeps addressing a group of people cows,sheep,lemmings etc (this may sound strange but people would still understand if you address a group of gamers as PS3 fans, Wii Fans etc etc)

Back on topic, Move hasnt been out for 4yrs but just a few months so we still need to see more games before judging... same applies to Kinect..

Personally I've seen motion controls being implemented greatly in some Wii games but there were much more titles were motions controls were crap and didnt improve gameplay / gaming experience.. Its not just Move!!

Both MS and Sony should have learned about motion controls by observing the Wii. By coming out with their own versions and repeating mistakes, they are showing how half assed their attempt at it is.

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#13 BlancoBX
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So you pick a 5 sec gif of a kevin butler advertisement with someone playing the worst reviewed game for move in the background to back up your claims? That is usually referred to as a FAIL

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#14 AntiType
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So you pick a 5 sec gif of a kevin butler advertisement with someone playing the worst reviewed game for move in the background to back up your claims? That is usually referred to as a FAIL

BlancoBX

Too bad that there are so many examples of his main point. Check all the Move game reviews.

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#15 BlancoBX
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[QUOTE="Malta_1980"]

[QUOTE="Fried_Shrimp"]

The problem with Sony is they don't get that motion sensing is best used in games like Zack & Wiki, Silent Hill Shattered Memories, and to some degree Pikmin since RTS has otherwise never worked on consoles.

What's wrong with this picture?

Unlike Cows I have been enjoying motion sensing for about 5 years now and I know when it works and when it doesn't. Repeatedly doing a punch gesture is not a good implementation of motion control. It doesn't make you think. It's rubbish. It proves that Sony do not understand motion control and that's why Move is a failure.

Cows would be extremely lucky to get a good motion sensing game on the PS3. Unfortunately for them it is more likely that they will have to make do with repetitive pointless motions like as shown above.

AntiType

You know its a biased post when someone keeps addressing a group of people cows,sheep,lemmings etc (this may sound strange but people would still understand if you address a group of gamers as PS3 fans, Wii Fans etc etc)

Back on topic, Move hasnt been out for 4yrs but just a few months so we still need to see more games before judging... same applies to Kinect..

Personally I've seen motion controls being implemented greatly in some Wii games but there were much more titles were motions controls were crap and didnt improve gameplay / gaming experience.. Its not just Move!!

Both MS and Sony should have learned about motion controls by observing the Wii. By coming out with their own versions and repeating mistakes, they are showing how half assed their attempt at it is.

SONY and MS definetely did learn something about motion controls by observing the wii: most of the money is to be made in cheap to produce, gimmicky family oriented "party" games and shovelware. Sure there are bound to be games that utilize the motion controls really well, but those games will not post the same profit margins as the shovelware

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#16 VanDammFan
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Well ive played motion control games..I have a Wii since early 07...As far as Im conserned right now...you can keep your motion controles and give me a good old fasion controller anyday. Motion controlling stinks on every platform..I mean, some games you dont even have to really try and still end up doing ok...Junk over hyped control system is junk..

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#17 FatCatPatRat
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isnt there someone here that uses that pic as his sig?

anyway, i think you do make a good point TC. A good example of games that use motion controls excellentlyare Metroid Prime 3 and the Conduit. that Modern Combat Domination game cows have been hyping should take a few tips from these two. And yes i know Conduit flopped hard, but its controls were praised.

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The problem with Sony is they don't get that motion sensing is best used in games like Zack & Wiki, Silent Hill Shattered Memories, and to some degree Pikmin since RTS has otherwise never worked on consoles.

What's wrong with this picture?

Unlike Cows I have been enjoying motion sensing for about 5 years now and I know when it works and when it doesn't. Repeatedly doing a punch gesture is not a good implementation of motion control. It doesn't make you think. It's rubbish. It proves that Sony do not understand motion control and that's why Move is a failure.

Cows would be extremely lucky to get a good motion sensing game on the PS3. Unfortunately for them it is more likely that they will have to make do with repetitive pointless motions like as shown above.

Fried_Shrimp

Wii haven't had Motion controls for 5 years, for the first 3 it only had waggle control and pointer control, not before motion+ did it get something that resembles real motion controls.

you are completely right that repeatedly doing a punch "gesture" is not great motion gaming, actually its more gesture gaming as any "waggle to do this" game is. Like motion+ Move is as close to 1:1 that u can get with motion controls right now, so In a fighting game U should be able to do the punch you want to (to bad the fighting game didnt do that so well) and not some gesture like with wii motion with out the + ;)

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Fried_Shrimp


It isn't showing the TV in front of him playing DKCR. Because that is exactly what you look like playing the game.