In late 1992, Sega released the Sega CD, a system that allowed the cartridge only console to play games made on CD's, taking advantage of the higher storage space of the medium. Due to it's price and needing a Sega CD to play Sega CD games, the add-on on got little support and was dropped a few years later.

In 1994, to combat the new Playstation and Jaguar consoles without having to make a new console, Sega came up with the 32x, an add-on that allowed for 32-bit graphics on the 16-bit Genesis/Mega Drive. It was also expensive, and failed harder than the Sega CD due to even less support due to needing to also own the 32x to play 32x games.

In 1999, to try to bring their lost third party publishers back into their next system after Sony grabbed them, Nintendo released the 64DD, an add-on that played high capacity 'disks', online play, and game add-ons to combat Sony's third party portfolio and the upcoming Dreamcast's online capabilities. It was a failure and never left Japan due to it's price and also needing a 64DD to play 64DD games.

These are just three examples of add-ons having trouble getting market precense, due to it's exponential smaller capability to get an audience due to it's need of an existing product for it to work.

So what about Move and Natal? They are add-ons, and not their own consoles.

If Sony really believed in the Move, it would have been the PS4, not just a controller add-on at the later stages of the PS3's life cycle. Microsoft is thinking in the same way, promising to make Natal as big as a new console launch, but it's still a 360. Nintendo believed enough in their crazy idea to make it their next full blown console and it payed of, because consumers saw it as the Wii, and not a Gamecube with a new controller.

But it might not work for Sony. People might think it's a PS3 (or according to Walmart shoppers, a PS2) with a new controller, because that's what it is. Same thing for Microsoft, it might be seen as a 360 with a new controller (or lack of one), because that's what it is.

If Sony and Microsoft made Move and Natal respectively as their next-gen consoles, this would be much bigger and serious than they are now. But as add-ons, these two new peripherals will just look like an attempt to fight against the Wii and not actually be the next big thing.

But will games work? Hopefully. But it didn't save the Sega CD. And the 32x and 64DD died before killer apps could even come.

TBH I want them to fail.....

natal will come with every 360, did any of the addons you posted come with the console? im not sure..G-O-M-J

I agree. Even if both turn out to be better motion control options than the Wiimote, Sony and Microsoft need to get them into home, and that will be difficult if there are only a few games that use them well.

36 Developers Creating PlayStation Move Titles

I want both to fail...I dislike motion sensing immensely.

I want both to fail...I dislike motion sensing immensely.

WilliamRLBaker

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

I want both to fail...I dislike motion sensing immensely.

coltsfan4ever

OH no how dare I have an opinion. Deal with it if you don't like it don't reply, but your opinion is worse then mine. I dont like a thing I don't want it, I want it to fail. your opinion Because I am of that opinion I shouldn't be allowed any thing. Come back when your actually TRAVELING the moral high ground...till then your just as bad if not worse then I am.

P.S: I am of the opinion that motion sensing is killing the industry, the wii is certainly killing the industry with so many developers speciallly small ones that make games for it going out of buisness. and now because it has such high system sales because of the un gamers, and those without the abbility to make good choices, Sony and Microsoft are following and thus will ruin their own buisness plans.

What about DDR and Guitar Hero? People bought the dance mats and guitar (now band) controllers to play them.

I dont see them taking off.

but the addons you are comparing what is the equivelant of a guitar hero controller to a real guitar.In the sense the price point for these motion sensing peripherals will likely be far lower than the Sega CD (which was imo a little ahead of its time it was the right idea but the megadrive wasnt a really good console to do it for.)

Also a lot of studios have shown they are on board with these systems as we have seen Capcom and RE5 with move and various other developers saying that they will be used.

Seriously research bout both products your trying to bash before hand.

Your examples all site being overpriced as being one of the reasons for failure, something that neither Move or Natal will seem to suffer from. Also, none of the addons got anywhere near mainstream attention that Natal and Move are getting, so it's not like these will "never leave Japan". So all of your examples are pretty poor.

Regardless, it's pretty silly to say that something needs support to succeed. That much is obvious.

What about DDR and Guitar Hero? People bought the dance mats and guitar (now band) controllers to play them.

HuusAsking

Your examples all site being overpriced as being one of the reasons for failure, something that neither Move or Natal will seem to suffer from. Also, none of the addons got anywhere near mainstream attention that Natal and Move are getting, so it's not like these will "never leave Japan". So all of your examples are pretty poor.

Regardless, it's pretty silly to say that something needs support to succeed. That much is obvious.

kingsfan_0333

[QUOTE="kingsfan_0333"]

Your examples all site being overpriced as being one of the reasons for failure, something that neither Move or Natal will seem to suffer from. Also, none of the addons got anywhere near mainstream attention that Natal and Move are getting, so it's not like these will "never leave Japan". So all of your examples are pretty poor.

Regardless, it's pretty silly to say that something needs support to succeed. That much is obvious.

Willy105

Well you don't know what Natal or Move are going to be bundled with. And even still, they are both in a completly different pricing level than the other addons mentioned. We are talking about $200 plus addons that were last moves of desperation for consoles on their last legs. Natal and Move are going to be somewhere between $50-$80 from what i've heard...there is a HUGE difference in price.

[QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="kingsfan_0333"]

Your examples all site being overpriced as being one of the reasons for failure, something that neither Move or Natal will seem to suffer from. Also, none of the addons got anywhere near mainstream attention that Natal and Move are getting, so it's not like these will "never leave Japan". So all of your examples are pretty poor.

Regardless, it's pretty silly to say that something needs support to succeed. That much is obvious.

kingsfan_0333

Well you don't know what Natal or Move are going to be bundled with. And even still, they are both in a completly different pricing level than the other addons mentioned. We are talking about $200 plus addons that were last moves of desperation for consoles on their last legs. Natal and Move are going to be somewhere between $50-$80 from what i've heard...there is a HUGE difference in price.

[QUOTE="coltsfan4ever"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

I want both to fail...I dislike motion sensing immensely.

WilliamRLBaker

OH no how dare I have an opinion. Deal with it if you don't like it don't reply, but your opinion is worse then mine. I dont like a thing I don't want it, I want it to fail. your opinion Because I am of that opinion I shouldn't be allowed any thing. Come back when your actually TRAVELING the moral high ground...till then your just as bad if not worse then I am.

P.S: I am of the opinion that motion sensing is killing the industry, the wii is certainly killing the industry with so many developers speciallly small ones that make games for it going out of buisness. and now because it has such high system sales because of the un gamers, and those without the abbility to make good choices, Sony and Microsoft are following and thus will ruin their own buisness plans.

That's not an opinion, that's immaturity.

I DONT LIKE IT SO NOBODY ELSE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO ENJOY IT! is not an opinion. An opinion is "I don't like motion controls"

I dislikemotion controls as much as the next person, but I don't care whether it succeeds or not. I dislike it even more after my favorite franchise, SOCOM, has been ruined, but I still don't want it to fail. There's a lot of potential for games to be created with motion.

I think both will be fairly successful but not to the degree of the Wii. I also believe MS and Sony will bring some new uses for the motion controller. I would love to see a Civ Rev type of game for Natal where you can control a cursor with your finger and just tell the game what you want to build or what unit you want to move.

I completely and wholeheartedly agree.

However I hope they do fail because motion control is STEWPID.

I agree to a certain extent, but Nintendo also has to bring serious support for their own motion controls. Aside from the Wii___ titles, we havent seen a real revolution reguarding motion control gaming. Microsoft and Sony want to snatch that audience by providing experiences Nintendo promised to delilver. Also Wii Fit and Wii play which were bundled with prepherals sold millions which shows that the Moveand Natal have a chance to replicate that success. We'll just have to let the games speak for themselves.

36 Developers Creating PlayStation Move Titles

KiZZo1

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

I want both to fail...I dislike motion sensing immensely.

coltsfan4ever

Yeah, that's a real cool sermon, man. Incidentally, I also want motion sensing to fail.

I don't like it, I don't want it, and I'd prefer to use conventional console controllers for the rest of time, with incremental improvements and careful redesigns after each generation.

Selfish? Absolutely. I don't game for other people.

Ignorant and petty? Not at all. I'm not talking out my ass, I've seen the harm that motion controls and other gimmicks can have on gaming, and I strongly dislike using them. I'm not trying to discredit any one platform either; I'll disregard motion/gimmick control as soon on PS3 as I will on 360.

Screw Natal, and screw Move, and may they both be catastrophic failures.

Oh yea, please let them fail!

Death to motion control! Burn the heretic!

xD

[QUOTE="kingsfan_0333"]

[QUOTE="Willy105"] The Move and Natal are still expensive. It's not like the Dual Shock 1, which costs the same as the normal PS1 controller, or the Motion +, which comes free with any game that supports it. Willy105

Well you don't know what Natal or Move are going to be bundled with. And even still, they are both in a completly different pricing level than the other addons mentioned. We are talking about $200 plus addons that were last moves of desperation for consoles on their last legs. Natal and Move are going to be somewhere between $50-$80 from what i've heard...there is a HUGE difference in price.

Do you really believe our threshold has taken that much of a dive? Both Natal and Move aregoing to sell forabout the price of a game. Ever buy a game and not play it all that much? Everybody does. Worse case scenario? You buy Natal or Move, you don't like it, and you are out the price of a game. Big deal. If your threshold for price is THAT low than I question your priorities in even owning a video game console in the first place.

Say what you want, but spending $300 on Sega CD is nothing like spending $70 on Natal. Not even close, I don't care how much of an impact you think this "depression" had. 64DD came out at $300 originally, and had a $30 a month online suscription. These examples are incomparable. If anything, you proved that by coming in at a lower cost, and being released on growing consoles, both Natal and Move are in a much better position than any of the addons you listed.

I hope they succeed and the promise of motion control done right comes true. I would never discourage a new or different way to play games as long as it's good.

[QUOTE="KiZZo1"]

36 Developers Creating PlayStation Move Titles

Ontain

I think Natal could have some other far reaching applications outside of gaming which will help it succeed. So far though it just looks like an attempt to deplete the Wiis market share.

[QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="KiZZo1"]

36 Developers Creating PlayStation Move Titles

110million

[QUOTE="coltsfan4ever"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

I want both to fail...I dislike motion sensing immensely.

jethrovegas

Yeah, that's a real cool sermon, man. Incidentally, I also want motion sensing to fail.

I don't like it, I don't want it, and I'd prefer to use conventional console controllers for the rest of time, with incremental improvements and careful redesigns after each generation.

Selfish? Absolutely. I don't game for other people.

Ignorant and petty? Not at all. I'm not talking out my ass, I've seen the harm that motion controls and other gimmicks can have on gaming, and I strongly dislike using them. I'm not trying to discredit any one platform either; I'll disregard motion/gimmick control as soon on PS3 as I will on 360.

Screw Natal, and screw Move, and may they both be catastrophic failures.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

I want both to fail...I dislike motion sensing immensely.

coltsfan4ever

An opinion is "I don't like motion controls"

I dislikemotion controls as much as the next person, but I don't care whether it succeeds or not. I dislike it even more after my favorite franchise, SOCOM, has been ruined, but I still don't want it to fail. There's a lot of potential for games to be created with motion.

Fr0wnyface

as long as the games are fun then who cares. Im all for party games

as long as the games are fun then who cares. Im all for party games

ultraking