Move and Natal are supposed to be the secret weapon against the Wii

But it looks like only 10 % of the current users are willing to buy one.

Will they still suceed ?

Very interesting thread. Needs a dumber title so it can catch System Wars' attention, though.

yea, i'd like to see how it all turns out...

It's too late now. They should have introduced Move and Natal over two years ago if they actually wanted it to succeed. The Wii is too far ahead to even care.

I dont get why people would want to get move or natal instead of a wii or to replace the wii. It already has itself worked out and has become a huge success. Seems a little to late.

They'll probably just bundle it with every new console and eliminate the old SKUs. Then release a few exclusive must-have games to get current owners to buy-in (and attract over Wii developers re: Move), and eventually they'll outlast the people who refuse to "upgrade".

That's assuming we have a long console generation here, which I still believe we do.

Natal and Move aren't aimed at current users, they're after the market that wouldn't normally play video games.

But thats the point. They want to expand their consumer base, grab some of that market that the Wii has been dominating. Considering the number of potential consumers that sit in that category they may well not be too worried about the cores purchasing desires in terms of these two peripherals...designer-

Exactly. I'm still interested in both, but there's no question they'resimply trying to expand the user base and grab a slice of Nintendo's non-gamer pie.

Natal and Move aren't aimed at current users, they're after the market that wouldn't normally play video games.tomarlyn

Natal and Move need core user adoption as much as they need them to be a success with 'teh casual.'

This is... Not surprising in the least.

These are peripheral controllers released late into the consoles life cycle. However, they'll likely be used in some way with future consoles, as it's more than just about the PS3 and 360.

Secret? lol

Shhhh, nobody knows about them!

Secret? lol

Shhhh, nobody knows about them!

Chutebox

Exactly what I was thinking, though I didn't want to say anything :P

But thats the point. They want to expand their consumer base, grab some of that market that the Wii has been dominating. Considering the number of potential consumers that sit in that category they may well not be too worried about the cores purchasing desires in terms of these two peripherals...designer-

[QUOTE="designer-"]But thats the point. They want to expand their consumer base, grab some of that market that the Wii has been dominating. Considering the number of potential consumers that sit in that category they may well not be too worried about the cores purchasing desires in terms of these two peripherals...farnham

[QUOTE="farnham"][QUOTE="designer-"]But thats the point. They want to expand their consumer base, grab some of that market that the Wii has been dominating. Considering the number of potential consumers that sit in that category they may well not be too worried about the cores purchasing desires in terms of these two peripherals...designer-

when were they a secret?

[QUOTE="farnham"][QUOTE="designer-"]But thats the point. They want to expand their consumer base, grab some of that market that the Wii has been dominating. Considering the number of potential consumers that sit in that category they may well not be too worried about the cores purchasing desires in terms of these two peripherals...designer-

Is this really just about casuals though? I think Sony and Microsoft honestly believe these two new devices will change the way people play games, and nothing would make them happier than to see them adopted whole-sale across both casual and hardcore audiences. I say this with a particular emphasis on Sony's Move, since it should technically be capable of replacing the old PS3 gamepad in the same vain that the Wii's controls replaced traditional controls.

when were they a secret?

dragonfly110

They will fail just look at the pre-orders numbers...very few!

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I think this is also a way of making it harder for Nintendo to successfully market a Wii HD, by effectively beating them to the punch.

Is this really just about casuals though? I think Sony and Microsoft honestly believe these two new devices will change the way people play games, and nothing would make them happier than to see them adopted whole-sale across both casual and hardcore audiences. I say this with a particular emphasis on Sony's Move, since it should technically be capable of replacing the old PS3 gamepad in the same vain that the Wii's controls replaced traditional controls.

SakusEnvoy

supposed to be the secret weapon against the Wii

farnham

secret weapon

farnham

secret

farnham

Secret? To whom was it secret?

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[QUOTE="farnham"]

secret weapon

Storm_Marine

secret

farnham

Secret? To whom was it secret?

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genaroll

Secret? To whom was it secret?

Its only 10% because there are no good games right now that are being planned to use the controlls that anyone knows of.

Uh... how so. when i look at the software that helped the Wii sell i see mario, wii sports and wii fit. I dont see any move software that has similar brand recognition same with natal your so called godzilla game is probably not going to sell as much as new super mario bros wii did last year farnham

We dont know what games will be available for the peripherals. Not to count that in MS's case the majority of their advertising will go to educating the consumer about how their new product works. Im not really sure what we have gotten into debating here, but to kind of bring it round circle. It does not really matter that the current consumer is not too interested, they are not the primary target market. If they adopt the product then great, but clearly based on the Moves similarities to the Wii, and Natals current advertising, it is not about them...

edit: annoying quotation errors....

I think people are going to be surprised. Natal has an incredibly good hook, no controller. I remember last year when they first showed it, I showed a few people at my job the clips and they really liked it.

Marketing is going to make or break both Natal and Move.The Wii has been out for awhile people might start looking for the new hotness.

Normal consumers are pretty fickle. The Wii may not be the cool Christmas present this year especially since so many people have one.

No, it's not a secret weapon. They know that whatever they will do, Nintendo will counter with Wii 2 close after the release of those things. Move and Natal are just the first, but necessary, steps to enter that kind of gaming, but I don't think they expect to do much this gen, in that regard.

I think people are going to be surprised. Natal has an incredibly good hook, no controller. I remember last year when they first showed it, I showed a few people at my job the clips and they really liked it.

Marketing is going to make or break both Natal and Move.The Wii has been out for awhile people might start looking for the new hotness.

Normal consumers are pretty fickle. The Wii may not be the cool Christmas present this year especially since so many people have one.

heretrix

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I think people are going to be surprised. Natal has an incredibly good hook, no controller. I remember last year when they first showed it, I showed a few people at my job the clips and they really liked it.

Marketing is going to make or break both Natal and Move.The Wii has been out for awhile people might start looking for the new hotness.

Normal consumers are pretty fickle. The Wii may not be the cool Christmas present this year especially since so many people have one.

IWKYB

Well it hasn't released, so why would it?

There are games in development though.

Ubisoft alone states they have wish to have games available within the first 6 months of release. Capcom is also working on "stuff" for Natal.

Dude Ubisoft? Raving rabbits fame...if they have no games announced by E3 it will not sell. What have we seen? A dodgeball game and talking to a kid game about his day. A fake kid. Sony on the other hand is straight up jacking nintendo's wii boxing and swords and dragons games...ripoff artist!IWKYB

You said they had no games, I said there are games planned. We also don't know the quality of games that are being developed.

What we do know, is that games *are* in fact being developed. The quality is unknown until we at least see something in regards to them.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

I think people are going to be surprised. Natal has an incredibly good hook, no controller. I remember last year when they first showed it, I showed a few people at my job the clips and they really liked it.

Marketing is going to make or break both Natal and Move.The Wii has been out for awhile people might start looking for the new hotness.

Normal consumers are pretty fickle. The Wii may not be the cool Christmas present this year especially since so many people have one.

IWKYB

But it looks like only 10 % of the current users are willing to buy one.

Will they still suceed ?

Natal should be called move and move should be called natal.The names make more sense this waygenaroll

Natal should be called move and move should be called natal.The names make more sense this waygenaroll

wii is aimed at a different market than the hd consoles..... why are there so many threads baout 360. ps3 vs wii???? ps3 / 360 is geared towards serious games..... hence half the librarys being rated m..... wii is geared towards everyone else..... ...... different market..... move and natal however were made to be competitors with wii... but will fail to do so because most people bought wii for the nintendo 1st partys. wii has mario,zelda,metroid.... and a slew of shovelware... sony a ms must be thinking (how long can nintendo keep repackaging the same products?) so thye made their move.... well see if it was a smart one at e3.

It won't work. It isn't the motion controls that makes Wii popular. It's how easy it is to get involved for casual players, and how wide of a library it has. I can get a natal for my 360 but it's still going to be full of shooters and generic action games.

[QUOTE="designer-"]But thats the point. They want to expand their consumer base, grab some of that market that the Wii has been dominating. Considering the number of potential consumers that sit in that category they may well not be too worried about the cores purchasing desires in terms of these two peripherals...farnham

And remember though, if as some Lems and cows would have you believe, that Natal and Move is for "new consumers" and to "attract the Wii Consumer Crowd", most likely, these people would not have a X360 or PS3. If say, Move is at 99, and Natal at 100, that means to get the whole kitten kapoddle, they need to spend another 100-200 to get a X360 and PS3 if not bundled. If bundled, the price would be the same...I do not think Ms or Sony would take a loss on the hardware this time around after what happened. The end result is, consumers will ask, "Ok, just WTF differences between the Wii and this, this, thing of ma jiggy?" If consumers asked that, then Natal and Move is in serious trouble!

Move and NAtal are supposed to be the secret weapon againts the Wii??? Must be the worst kept secret ever then as I think everyone knows about it and knows that it's their means of trying to grab some of the Wii's market.