MS Changes their Minds Again.... Now they Want Motion-Sensing Controllers

 First, they decided to support HD-DVD. They were wrong since HD-DVD will be the next betamax (even an MS rep admitted it). Now they're thinking of giving up on HD-DVD by the end of 2007.

Second, they thought that HDMI wasn't necessary. They realized they were wrong again so now they're putting HDMI on the next 360 models.

Third, they released a controller without motion sensors because they thought it wasn't next gen. Now they're changing their minds and planning of releasing motion sensing controllers.

Since they can't make up their minds, MS is really screwing customers with all these "add-ons" that should have been included with the original console. They're making all these changes on the 360 only 15 months after it's launch, why don't they just give up on it and release a new system instead of miking their customers for more and more money?

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flipknoc

Man I don't want motion sensing. When I play games I usually play lying down on my couch side ways with the controller pointing away with TV. 

So no they arent milking me because I don't care about motion sensing.

You troll alot. Even if MS decided to support motion sensing--which I doubt they will-- how is that bad for consumers? I personally think that would be awesomeDA_B0MB

If you buy an hd-dvd player, you know the risks.  You don't need one to play games.

Most people in this country don't need HDMI because they don't have an HD player or have an HD television with component connections.  It's nice that Microsoft is going to update that for people who want it as time's change.

I personally don't especially like motion sensing.  I have a Wii for motion sensing and I prefer playing games while reclining.  If the 360 can have motion sensing with the purchase of a new controller, that's great for people who want those games.  I hope game developers don't insist on using them unless they have a really good idea.  Also, I don't remember people being mad at Sony for creating the dual shock controller.

Why would motion-sensing controllers for the 360 be a bad thing?  Almost anything is better than analog sticks. 

options are bad?CaseyWegner

To cows they are.

Cows prefer to have everything bundled.

On Topic: I don't mind motion controllers as long as they are implemented well.

Optional accerssories are just that, optional. 

There's a downside to being offered more material for a system?

Why would motion-sensing controllers for the 360 be a bad thing?  Almost anything is better than analog sticks. 

FoamingPanda

In your opinion.  I'm a big fan of analog sticks, thank you very much!

The difference here is that if I own a 360 and I don't want motion sensing controllers, I don't have to own one.  If you own a ps3 and don't want motion sesning controllers, than too bad because you dont have a choice.

If I own a 360 and don't want a next gen disc player, than I don't have to own one.  If you own a ps3 and don't want a next gen disc player, than too bad because you don't hae a choice.

They are options..some will pick them up and others don't.  But at least we aren't forced to pay for what we don't really want and won't use.

Not everyone has a use for HDMI, HD-DVD, or motion sensing....because Microsoft is supporting (or not supporting) these things, doesn't mean they're milking their consumers...

If anything isn't Sony milking their consumers by fully backing a format (Blu-Ray) that we're not even positive is the 'next-gen' DVD-player? That's $200.00 out of your pocket, assuming you buy a PS3, and Blu-Ray fails.

options are bad?CaseyWegner

 First, they decided to support HD-DVD. They were wrong since HD-DVD will be the next betamax (even an MS rep admitted it). Now they're thinking of giving up on HD-DVD by the end of 2007.

Second, they thought that HDMI wasn't necessary. They realized they were wrong again so now they're putting HDMI on the next 360 models.

Third, they released a controller without motion sensors because they thought it wasn't next gen. Now they're changing their minds and planning of releasing motion sensing controllers.

Since they can't make up their minds, MS is really screwing customers with all these "add-ons" that should have been included with the original console. They're making all these changes on the 360 only 15 months after it's launch, why don't they just give up on it and release a new system instead of miking their customers for more and more money?

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flipknoc

 First, they decided to support HD-DVD. They were wrong since HD-DVD will be the next betamax (even an MS rep admitted it). Now they're thinking of giving up on HD-DVD by the end of 2007.

Second, they thought that HDMI wasn't necessary. They realized they were wrong again so now they're putting HDMI on the next 360 models.

Third, they released a controller without motion sensors because they thought it wasn't next gen. Now they're changing their minds and planning of releasing motion sensing controllers.

Since they can't make up their minds, MS is really screwing customers with all these "add-ons" that should have been included with the original console. They're making all these changes on the 360 only 15 months after it's launch, why don't they just give up on it and release a new system instead of miking their customers for more and more money?

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flipknoc

[QUOTE="Nex_Ownage"]And so it becomes industry standard ..wow ..who could've thought it would? (hint: Nintendo) Raidea

I agree with you, but motion-sensitive input does not directly dumb down games.  I actually perfer motion-sensing to analog sticks (but enjoy keyboard+mouse more than both).  A controller should do nothing more than provide the most simple and direct form of control for any paticular game. 

Yes another original idea for microsoft

360axis ftw :l

All I know is that people have called the Wii a gimmick cause of the motion sensing, but now that it's a part of the 360, it suddenly turns into "options". I've also seen people say that Sony steals technologies like rumble and dual analogue sticks, but now that the 360 is stealing motion sensing, it's totally fine. Lots of hypocrisy going on, but then again, we are in System Wars...Zhengi

All I know is that people have called the Wii a gimmick cause of the motion sensing, but now that it's a part of the 360, it suddenly turns into "options". I've also seen people say that Sony steals technologies like rumble and dual analogue sticks, but now that the 360 is stealing motion sensing, it's totally fine. Lots of hypocrisy going on, but then again, we are in System Wars...Zhengi

People don't call Wii a gimmick because it has a motion sensing controller.  People call the Wii a gimmick because the hardware is an entire generation behind the hardware of other machines, and a motion-sensing controller and franchise titles are being used to sell the console.

There is nothing such as intellectual theft in the free market.  Companies will always copy others when they see consumers responding to demand.  In this case, consumers demand a better method of control (analog sticks suck). 

Not everyone has a use for HDMI, HD-DVD, or motion sensing....because Microsoft is supporting (or not supporting) these things, doesn't mean they're milking their consumers...

If anything isn't Sony milking their consumers by fully backing a format (Blu-Ray) that we're not even positive is the 'next-gen' DVD-player? That's $200.00 out of your pocket, assuming you buy a PS3, and Blu-Ray fails.

Colt45fool

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]All I know is that people have called the Wii a gimmick cause of the motion sensing, but now that it's a part of the 360, it suddenly turns into "options". I've also seen people say that Sony steals technologies like rumble and dual analogue sticks, but now that the 360 is stealing motion sensing, it's totally fine. Lots of hypocrisy going on, but then again, we are in System Wars...Raidea

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]All I know is that people have called the Wii a gimmick cause of the motion sensing, but now that it's a part of the 360, it suddenly turns into "options". I've also seen people say that Sony steals technologies like rumble and dual analogue sticks, but now that the 360 is stealing motion sensing, it's totally fine. Lots of hypocrisy going on, but then again, we are in System Wars...Raidea

[QUOTE="Colt45fool"]

Not everyone has a use for HDMI, HD-DVD, or motion sensing....because Microsoft is supporting (or not supporting) these things, doesn't mean they're milking their consumers...

If anything isn't Sony milking their consumers by fully backing a format (Blu-Ray) that we're not even positive is the 'next-gen' DVD-player? That's $200.00 out of your pocket, assuming you buy a PS3, and Blu-Ray fails.

amcallister902

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]All I know is that people have called the Wii a gimmick cause of the motion sensing, but now that it's a part of the 360, it suddenly turns into "options". I've also seen people say that Sony steals technologies like rumble and dual analogue sticks, but now that the 360 is stealing motion sensing, it's totally fine. Lots of hypocrisy going on, but then again, we are in System Wars...FoamingPanda

People don't call Wii a gimmick because it has a motion sensing controller. People call the Wii a gimmick because the hardware is an entire generation behind the hardware of other machines, and a motion-sensing controller and franchise titles are being used to sell the console.

There is nothing such as intellectual theft in the free market. Companies will always copy others when they see consumers responding to demand. In this case, consumers demand a better method of control (analog sticks suck).

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]options are bad?-voodoo_child-

"MS is really screwing customers with all these "add-ons" that should have been included with the original console."

Nowhere in that article does it say MS is looking into creating a motion sensitive controller. All the talk of motion sensing is the journalist's own speculations, not MS.

I have no problem with the 360 doing everything with add on. I like to have a choice, even if it is more expensive than if I bought it in an all in one like the ps3. H

D-DVD is going to be in alot of trouble when the PS3 picks up steam and/or has a price drop. Sony's bet on including the drive standard in every PS3 is prolly going to win the format war for them. Not to mention the studio support. I have bought a new BD every week for the last 2 months, not because one format is superior, but because nothing has come out on HD-DVD. If MS was to bail on HD-DVD, it would kill the format, they're pretty much the main supporter in the software world. The VC-# codec is basically their creation.

As for motion sensing, I could really care less. I'm sure it will one day become integrated into every game, but currently even the Wiimote lacks the precision and range of detection that it needs to work in every game. It's fine that they want to add it, but unless a game is specifically designed with it in mind, I can't see it being very fluid.

HDMI is great, and is the future of A/V connections, but it's not a killer right now. I have my 360 plugged in via VGA and optical, and it works for me. A few years from now, ommiting it would be suicide. The HDD upgrade is absolutely necessary, 13GB of space is going to fill up pretty fast, if you download demos, trailers and videos from the marketplace. Also, they need to support more formats for streaming than just WMV, Mpeg4 and AVI's are where it's at.

All in all, I think the 360 will be fine, but while people may think choices Sony made aren't neccesary now, in 2 or 3 years time, they will be seen as a solid move.

now think back on all the lemmings taking stabs at how expensive the ps3 is.....:/Solid-CELL

they took stabs at what was required to pay.

[QUOTE="Solid-CELL"]now think back on all the lemmings taking stabs at how expensive the ps3 is.....:/CaseyWegner

they took stabs at what was required to pay.

If you weigh the quality of hardware and functionality of all consoles, giving each console a ratio of cost and hardware functionality, I'd argue that Microsoft actually provided the best deal.  You're getting your moneys worth if you purchase a 360 (in terms of hardware ONLY -- there are other problems with the 360). 

Nintendo:  Great price, terrible hardware.

PS3: Great Hardware, terrible price.

Xbox: Good hardware, fair price.

PC:  User decided, user decided.

What another add on? is Xbox the new Sega?
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