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#1 carlisledavid79
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Seems they're going after the casual market in Europe.

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Is it a good idea to label Europe as casual, im not sure.

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#2 SpruceCaboose
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It makes sense from both a geographical/cultural PoV and from a business PoV.
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#3 carlisledavid79
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Maybe if they want to cater to us more they could start by providing a decent video marketplace for one.

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#4 SpruceCaboose
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Maybe if they want to cater to us more they could start by providing a decent video marketplace for one.

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You aren't missing much! :D

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Seems they're going after the casual market in Europe.

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Is it a good idea to label Europe as casual, im not sure.

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It is somewhat true. The UK is where you'll see all the Buzz sales and Singstar sales.

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#6 JLF1
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[QUOTE="carlisledavid79"]

Seems they're going after the casual market in Europe.

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Is it a good idea to label Europe as casual, im not sure.

-DrRobotnik-

It is somewhat true. The UK is where you'll see all the Buzz sales and Singstar sales.


Europe also have a lot more PC gamers.
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Ok then, less casual more social. I love social gaming and I'm sure people all around the world do not just us Europeans. Nothing is more fun than some Halo 3 splitscreen. Oh look at that, Halo 3, not Singstar or Guitar Hero. Devs need to realise people enjoy all kinds of social gaming not just casualised social gaming, we needs more splitscreen and co-op games!
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[QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"][QUOTE="carlisledavid79"]

Seems they're going after the casual market in Europe.

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Is it a good idea to label Europe as casual, im not sure.

JLF1

It is somewhat true. The UK is where you'll see all the Buzz sales and Singstar sales.


Europe also have a lot more PC gamers.

Yeah, Europe not including the UK is hardcore PC. I think its just the UK thats pretty casual. You'll always see games like Wall-E, The Sims etc. in the charts.

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Ok then, less casual more social. I love social gaming and I'm sure people all around the world do not just us Europeans. Nothing is more fun than some Halo 3 splitscreen. Oh look at that, Halo 3, not Singstar or Guitar Hero. Devs need to realise people enjoy all kinds of social gaming not just casualised social gaming, we needs more splitscreen and co-op games!bobbetybob

Americans (US citizens) tend to be less social, as our society is geared more towards competition and being wary of others than being cooperative and sociable with others.

One more reason I want to leave the US at some point.

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Ok then, less casual more social. I love social gaming and I'm sure people all around the world do not just us Europeans. Nothing is more fun than some Halo 3 splitscreen. Oh look at that, Halo 3, not Singstar or Guitar Hero. Devs need to realise people enjoy all kinds of social gaming not just casualised social gaming, we needs more splitscreen and co-op games!bobbetybob

Agreed . I enjoy online games but there is nothing comparable to having you friends over for some four player mayhem with the good old N64.
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Bu bu EU are teh h4rdc0re PC g4mers e1ite :P
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#12 JLF1
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[QUOTE="JLF1"][QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"][QUOTE="carlisledavid79"]

Seems they're going after the casual market in Europe.

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Is it a good idea to label Europe as casual, im not sure.

-DrRobotnik-

It is somewhat true. The UK is where you'll see all the Buzz sales and Singstar sales.


Europe also have a lot more PC gamers.

Yeah, Europe not including the UK is hardcore PC. I think its just the UK thats pretty casual. You'll always see games like Wall-E, The Sims etc. in the charts.


Yeah I agree with that. I would say that EU has a lot of casual and hardcore gamers.
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Ok then, less casual more social. I love social gaming and I'm sure people all around the world do not just us Europeans. Nothing is more fun than some Halo 3 splitscreen. Oh look at that, Halo 3, not Singstar or Guitar Hero. Devs need to realise people enjoy all kinds of social gaming not just casualised social gaming, we needs more splitscreen and co-op games!bobbetybob

well said. also halo 3 is the ultimate splitscreen.

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[QUOTE="JLF1"][QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"][QUOTE="carlisledavid79"]

Seems they're going after the casual market in Europe.

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Is it a good idea to label Europe as casual, im not sure.

-DrRobotnik-

It is somewhat true. The UK is where you'll see all the Buzz sales and Singstar sales.


Europe also have a lot more PC gamers.

Yeah, Europe not including the UK is hardcore PC. I think its just the UK thats pretty casual. You'll always see games like Wall-E, The Sims etc. in the charts.

no it's not. i walked into a spanish GAME once and OH LAWD it was casual-tastic. hardly a PC section at all. whereas in the UK the 360 is pretty popular. althhough racers are very popular in the UK. i mean ign UK gave pgr 4 a whole point more (9.1)

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#15 AzatiS
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Seems they're going after the casual market in Europe.

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Is it a good idea to label Europe as casual, im not sure.

carlisledavid79

Label the most hardcore community as casual... is not a good idea at all..imo

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I would have thought social games appear higher in UK charts purely because more people in the UK buy/play video games. You've a great number of gamers already, and then you have the casual market which has been growing since the days of Konami's Dance Stage games. The market here is definately expanding, and such games are responsible.
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[QUOTE="bobbetybob"]Ok then, less casual more social. I love social gaming and I'm sure people all around the world do not just us Europeans. Nothing is more fun than some Halo 3 splitscreen. Oh look at that, Halo 3, not Singstar or Guitar Hero. Devs need to realise people enjoy all kinds of social gaming not just casualised social gaming, we needs more splitscreen and co-op games!crunchUK

well said. also halo 3 is the ultimate splitscreen.

Halo in general is.

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Bu bu EU are teh h4rdc0re PC g4mers e1ite :Pangelkimne
I presume MS are talking about console gamers, go look at the UK's gaming charts, its shameful :(

On PC in UK games like football manager dominate, and by god that game is as hardcore as they come

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The UK is pretty hardcore, but there are also a lot of casuals who own wiis. GTA4 sold over a million here in it's first week, it's not like there is no demand for "hardcore" games. M$ would make a big mistake if it tryed to overly target casuals here, there entire user base is made up of the "harcore", all 2.5m of us. The main reason ninty has been dominating the charts recently is because there haven't been many 360 games released over the summer.

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[QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"][QUOTE="JLF1"][QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"][QUOTE="carlisledavid79"]

Seems they're going after the casual market in Europe.

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Is it a good idea to label Europe as casual, im not sure.

crunchUK

It is somewhat true. The UK is where you'll see all the Buzz sales and Singstar sales.


Europe also have a lot more PC gamers.

Yeah, Europe not including the UK is hardcore PC. I think its just the UK thats pretty casual. You'll always see games like Wall-E, The Sims etc. in the charts.

no it's not. i walked into a spanish GAME once and OH LAWD it was casual-tastic. hardly a PC section at all. whereas in the UK the 360 is pretty popular. althhough racers are very popular in the UK. i mean ign UK gave pgr 4 a whole point more (9.1)

At my local game PC has a much bigger section than any console or handheld.
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#21 angelkimne
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[QUOTE="angelkimne"]Bu bu EU are teh h4rdc0re PC g4mers e1ite :Pblue_hazy_basic

I presume MS are talking about console gamers, go look at the UK's gaming charts, its shameful :(

On PC in UK games like football manager dominate, and by god that game is as hardcore as they come

Yea. The charts are horrible.

Sometimes i hope ELSPA are talking ouit of there ass.

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The UK is pretty hardcore, but there are also a lot of casuals who own wiis. GTA4 sold over a million here in it's first week, it's not like there is no demand for "hardcore" games. M$ would make a big mistake if it tryed to overly target casuals here, there entire user base is made up of the "harcore", all 2.5m of us. The main reason ninty has been dominating the charts recently is because there haven't been many 360 games released over the summer.

KinkInDaLink

GTAIV is one of the most "casual" games this gen...

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The UK is pretty hardcore, but there are also a lot of casuals who own wiis. GTA4 sold over a million here in it's first week, it's not like there is no demand for "hardcore" games. M$ would make a big mistake if it tryed to overly target casuals here, there entire user base is made up of the "harcore", all 2.5m of us. The main reason ninty has been dominating the charts recently is because there haven't been many 360 games released over the summer.

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You must live in a different UK to the one i know :P
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#24 KinkInDaLink
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[QUOTE="KinkInDaLink"]

The UK is pretty hardcore, but there are also a lot of casuals who own wiis. GTA4 sold over a million here in it's first week, it's not like there is no demand for "hardcore" games. M$ would make a big mistake if it tryed to overly target casuals here, there entire user base is made up of the "harcore", all 2.5m of us. The main reason ninty has been dominating the charts recently is because there haven't been many 360 games released over the summer.

IronBass

GTAIV is one of the most "casual" games this gen...

I would consider games like mario and sonic go to the olimpics or wii fit "casual" and im sure so would microsoft. Games that appeal to people who don't normally play videogames regularily. GTA4 may be extremley popular, but its not a casual game in the same sense that M$ are talking about.

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[QUOTE="KinkInDaLink"]

The UK is pretty hardcore, but there are also a lot of casuals who own wiis. GTA4 sold over a million here in it's first week, it's not like there is no demand for "hardcore" games. M$ would make a big mistake if it tryed to overly target casuals here, there entire user base is made up of the "harcore", all 2.5m of us. The main reason ninty has been dominating the charts recently is because there haven't been many 360 games released over the summer.

blue_hazy_basic

You must live in a different UK to the one i know :P

in what way? lol. Im just going on what the people i know own and play and what i sell when im at work at game.

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[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="KinkInDaLink"]

The UK is pretty hardcore, but there are also a lot of casuals who own wiis. GTA4 sold over a million here in it's first week, it's not like there is no demand for "hardcore" games. M$ would make a big mistake if it tryed to overly target casuals here, there entire user base is made up of the "harcore", all 2.5m of us. The main reason ninty has been dominating the charts recently is because there haven't been many 360 games released over the summer.

KinkInDaLink

You must live in a different UK to the one i know :P

in what way? lol. Im just going on what the people i know own and play and what i sell when im at work at game.

On PC you have a very hardcore audience in the UK but on consoles the **** that people buys appalls me. Look at the UK chart every week, its abhorent. Not saying you don't have a hardcore group on consoles, it is however small and alot of the console players play FIFA, Tiger woods, GT (or collin mcrea in my day), GTA and Halo and not much else, you also have a large younger audience (singstar and those 'ing dance games)
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I don't know any casual 360 gamers, this seems dumb.
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#28 KinkInDaLink
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[QUOTE="KinkInDaLink"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="KinkInDaLink"]

The UK is pretty hardcore, but there are also a lot of casuals who own wiis. GTA4 sold over a million here in it's first week, it's not like there is no demand for "hardcore" games. M$ would make a big mistake if it tryed to overly target casuals here, there entire user base is made up of the "harcore", all 2.5m of us. The main reason ninty has been dominating the charts recently is because there haven't been many 360 games released over the summer.

blue_hazy_basic

You must live in a different UK to the one i know :P

in what way? lol. Im just going on what the people i know own and play and what i sell when im at work at game.

On PC you have a very hardcore audience in the UK but on consoles the **** that people buys appalls me. Look at the UK chart every week, its abhorent. Not saying you don't have a hardcore group on consoles, it is however small and alot of the console players play FIFA, Tiger woods, GT (or collin mcrea in my day), GTA and Halo and not much else, you also have a large younger audience (singstar and those 'ing dance games)

Check the charts when a "hardcore" game is released on a console, the numbers sold will be extremley high, these games fall off very quickly however because the "hardcore" buy the game on release, unlike casuals who will buy games whenever. Also the hardcore gamer in my expeirence is a lot more savy than the casuals that come in to buy games. If a game has been out a couple of weeks they will pick up a pre-owned copy, rather than new. "casuals" nearly always go for new for some reason. This phenomenom is something that doesn't affect the PC chart, due to the lack of pre-owned games.

If you had worked at some of the midnight launches i have, you wouldn't believe that console hardcore gamers don't exsist.

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[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="KinkInDaLink"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="KinkInDaLink"]

The UK is pretty hardcore, but there are also a lot of casuals who own wiis. GTA4 sold over a million here in it's first week, it's not like there is no demand for "hardcore" games. M$ would make a big mistake if it tryed to overly target casuals here, there entire user base is made up of the "harcore", all 2.5m of us. The main reason ninty has been dominating the charts recently is because there haven't been many 360 games released over the summer.

KinkInDaLink

You must live in a different UK to the one i know :P

in what way? lol. Im just going on what the people i know own and play and what i sell when im at work at game.

On PC you have a very hardcore audience in the UK but on consoles the **** that people buys appalls me. Look at the UK chart every week, its abhorent. Not saying you don't have a hardcore group on consoles, it is however small and alot of the console players play FIFA, Tiger woods, GT (or collin mcrea in my day), GTA and Halo and not much else, you also have a large younger audience (singstar and those 'ing dance games)

Check the charts when a "hardcore" game is released on a console, the numbers sold will be extremley high, these games fall off very quickly however because the "hardcore" buy the game on release, unlike casuals who will buy games whenever. Also the hardcore gamer in my expeirence is a lot more savy than the casuals that come in to buy games. If a game has been out a couple of weeks they will pick up a pre-owned copy, rather than new. "casuals" nearly always go for new for some reason. This phenomenom is something that doesn't affect the PC chart, due to the lack of pre-owned games.

If you had worked at some of the midnight launches i have, you wouldn't believe that console hardcore gamers don't exsist.

errr i specifically said they do exist.
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#30 st1ka
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i can't speak for all of Europe but when it comes to console gamers my country is an unending sea of casuals, it's incredibly rare to actually meet someone who know's what he's talking about
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I think MS is confusing hardcore with people who only play madden and shooters.

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#32 Poshkidney
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I thought Europe was hardcore PC gamers that get neglected UK where i live isn't as much it used to be (sigh) i'll stay a pc gamer as long as it stays good.

Microsoft show some more bloody support for the pc ok you've spent a ton on vista and tried to make it tailored to games as well now are you going to support instead of that box you keep bleeting on about its not even that Gaming toaster of pc games stop taking the pc territory.

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#33 Raiko101
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I would say I know more casual gamers than I do gamers in the UK. But then I can also say I know more people who play video games than those who don't.