MS is kinda smart charging $150 for an eyetoy and passing it off....

MS will probably make a bucketload of profit charging $150 for an eyetoy (Kinect) and passing it off as something more, dont for one second think im trying to bash them as i love my 360 but you gotta admit its kind of sleezy to charge so much for Kinect plus $50 for games when its nothing more then an eyetoy.

There's nothing smart about releasing such an abomination with a ridiculous price specifically for the casuals. I don't know if you noticed but the economy still sucks and people still rather save money.IAMSERIAL

How many eye toy games follow your full body movements?

[QUOTE="IAMSERIAL"]There's nothing smart about releasing such an abomination with a ridiculous price specifically for the casuals. I don't know if you noticed but the economy still sucks and people still rather save money.Chris_Williams

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MS will probably make a bucketload of profit charging $150 for an eyetoy (Kinect) and passing it off as something more, dont for one second think im trying to bash them as i love my 360 but you gotta admit its kind of sleezy to charge so much for Kinect plus $50 for games when its nothing more then an eyetoy.

YankeesNYC4life

I don't think MS makes money off the camera itself

I think there trying to increase hardware sales

while I do agree kinect is rubbish I didn't realise the eyetoy had 2 cameras an infrared sensor and 4 mics.

I must be further behind with tech developments that I thought

while I do agree kinect is rubbish I didn't realise the eyetoy had 2 cameras an infrared sensor and 4 mics.

I must be further behind with tech developments that I thought

Richymisiak

I already purchased M$'s other Eye thingie (Vision cam or whatever), I think I'll skip this one.
Two different camera's the same generation, what's next, Kinect HD next year?

To be honest, I don't like Kinect's lineup, it's not for me.

360 is a bigger ripoff. Charging $300 for a glorified NES?

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while I do agree kinect is rubbish I didn't realise the eyetoy had 2 cameras an infrared sensor and 4 mics.

I must be further behind with tech developments that I thought

soapandbubbles

im still waiting for someone to bring proof that I can buy a eyetoy game thats like dance central...or kinect sports

shouldnt someone tell him, that Move bundle + another move controller, is the same price, and someone on gaf said you didnt need a second move controller for the bow and arrow game? doesnt make sense

Motion control, period, is largely a gimmick, with the exception of a few games that utilize it very well. I'm hoping to see a good amount of 360 games that are for the hardcore crowd, and I hope that MS doesn't just make Kinect games just for casual gamers.

Copy and existing product and outmarket it to make it look new and unique. This tactic has been used for a very long time in business. Why people defend Kinect is beyond me, it's clearly a Eyetoy pushed further ahead. And Kinect was merely made to crack into the casual audience just like Move. There's nothing about Kinect denoting a sign of what's to come, it's merely a way to grow MS's audience.

I'm not fan of these motion contraptions. Except for the Wii. At least those have games.

Though Kinectimals is really awesome...:P

MS will probably make a bucketload of profit charging $150 for an eyetoy (Kinect) and passing it off as something more, dont for one second think im trying to bash them as i love my 360 but you gotta admit its kind of sleezy to charge so much for Kinect plus $50 for games when its nothing more then an eyetoy.

YankeesNYC4life

MS will probably make a bucketload of profit charging $150 for an eyetoy (Kinect) and passing it off as something more, dont for one second think im trying to bash them as i love my 360 but you gotta admit its kind of sleezy to charge so much for Kinect plus $50 for games when its nothing more then an eyetoy.

YankeesNYC4life

Copy and existing product and outmarket it to make it look new and unique. This tactic has been used for a very long time in business. Why people defend Kinect is beyond me, it's clearly a Eyetoy pushed further ahead. And Kinect was merely made to crack into the casual audience just like Move. There's nothing about Kinect denoting a sign of what's to come, it's merely a way to grow MS's audience.

Mystic-G

whats a ps3? a ps2 pushed further ahead. whats a ps2? a ps1 pushed further ahead...

Whats a cell phone? a cordless phone pushed further ahead.

so im guessing you dont own any of those products... seeing as how you are so against buying technology that is merely old technology "pushed further ahead"

You seem...familiar...

I expected a flurry of people defending Kinect and saying "its more than that" or "you don't know if thats what its like STFU'. I am surprised and shocked at the acceptance everyone is showing at someone calling Kinect and expensive eyetoy. Sadly, I agree. It just seems like nothing more than a souped up eyetoy that can track your feet too, not just your upper body 9which the eyetoy does for only $30).

[QUOTE="Mystic-G"]

Copy and existing product and outmarket it to make it look new and unique. This tactic has been used for a very long time in business. Why people defend Kinect is beyond me, it's clearly a Eyetoy pushed further ahead. And Kinect was merely made to crack into the casual audience just like Move. There's nothing about Kinect denoting a sign of what's to come, it's merely a way to grow MS's audience.

markinthedark

whats a ps3? a ps2 pushed further ahead. whats a ps2? a ps1 pushed further ahead...

Whats a cell phone? a cordless phone pushed further ahead.

so im guessing you dont own any of those products... seeing as how you are so against buying technology that is merely old technology "pushed further ahead"

I expected a flurry of people defending Kinect and saying "its more than that" or "you don't know if thats what its like STFU'. I am surprised and shocked at the acceptance everyone is showing at someone calling Kinect and expensive eyetoy. Sadly, I agree. It just seems like nothing more than a souped up eyetoy that can track your feet too, not just your upper body 9which the eyetoy does for only $30).

SPYDER0416

well if eyetoy can already do all the motion tracking stuff....

isnt sony the real rip off trying to sell move controllers, when their eye toy is already capable of all that stuff?

I expected a flurry of people defending Kinect and saying "its more than that" or "you don't know if thats what its like STFU'. I am surprised and shocked at the acceptance everyone is showing at someone calling Kinect and expensive eyetoy. Sadly, I agree. It just seems like nothing more than a souped up eyetoy that can track your feet too, not just your upper body 9which the eyetoy does for only $30).

SPYDER0416

The hardware is cheaper than a bag of chips but the software and development of the software must have cost an absolute fortune so don't judge something by what you get in your hand.JohnF111

"Microsoft is paying around $150 in total manufacturing costs for each Kinect unit, Develop understands.

A highly-positioned, trusted source had given Develop the "$150 manufacturing cost" figure on the condition of anonymity, adding that the expenses of Kinect is a topic of concern for his company."

http://www.develop-online.net/news/35198/Source-pins-Kinect-manufacturing-costs-to-150

so actually they lose a little money on the hardware and absorb all other associated costs.

It's not just an EyeToy. It's way more advanced that the EyeToy. I agree they shouldn't be releasing it though. Waste of time and effort. Ninja-Hippo

Sony's pretty smart charging $100 for a Wiimote alone, without a Nunchuck ;)93soccer

Move + Subcontroller = $80 not $100,but then again you don't need the subcontroller is optional unlike the Nunchuck wich in madatory in many games,and with motion plus cost the same as a subcontroller with Move $80.

Oh and the PS3 eye is $39 which is $110 less than Kinect.

It's a hyped, slightly upgraded Eyetoy thats gonna sell well for the first 3 months or so.

[QUOTE="JohnF111"]The hardware is cheaper than a bag of chips but the software and development of the software must have cost an absolute fortune so don't judge something by what you get in your hand.markinthedark

"Microsoft is paying around $150 in total manufacturing costs for each Kinect unit, Develop understands.

A highly-positioned, trusted source had given Develop the "$150 manufacturing cost" figure on the condition of anonymity, adding that the expenses of Kinect is a topic of concern for his company."

http://www.develop-online.net/news/35198/Source-pins-Kinect-manufacturing-costs-to-150

so actually they lose a little money on the hardware and absorb all other associated costs.

A highly credible source (MS then self) claim that Kinect cost $150 to make,so MS would loss money taking into account shipping cost,the build in game which is like 3 more dollars just to manufacture,so they can see you happy.

Can any one even believe this.? Isn't this the same company who has abuse its user base to the max,with over priced PC peripherals,like HDD,Network adapters,live hell even the xbox 360 is over price,the slim PS3 with free online play and blu-ray, cost the same as slim 360,while the PS3 has shave $300 from its inicial price the xbox 360 has just loss $100 despite been a year longer on the market,oh did i forget to mention that MS was also the first to start charging $60 per game with no justification what so ever.? Because the 360 use cheap DVD,and most of its launch games were PS2 and PC ports.?

I ask again who can believe this.

we don't know if the accessory itself will net them any money.

there's been analysts/reports that say Kinect breaks even after manufacture and retail.

Sony's EyeToy/PSEye has an advantage that it's been out for years, so production costs are already down, and they can use that existing hardware with the adapted Move.

MS was going to do something similar with their camera (Wiimote ripoff that worked with the Live Cam, but they scrapped it from what I've read) however, that particular item(Live Cam) was overpriced, but I'd wager they'd cut the price to promote that tech if they had followed through with that over Kinect.

If Kinect was really an eyetoy ripoff, Sony would sue MS so fast it would even be funny.

So if Sony doesn't think its a rip then, why do cows believe it is.

Come on people.

It's not just an EyeToy. It's way more advanced that the EyeToy. I agree they shouldn't be releasing it though. Waste of time and effort. Ninja-Hippo

How is it "way more" advanced than the EyeToy? Its at the same resolution and tracks the feet too, thats not "way more" advanced to me.

If Kinect was really an eyetoy ripoff, Sony would sue MS so fast it would even be funny.

So if Sony doesn't think its a rip then, why do cows believe it is.

Come on people.

-Ninja_Dog-

If Kinect was really an eyetoy ripoff, Sony would sue MS so fast it would even be funny.

So if Sony doesn't think its a rip then, why do cows believe it is.

Come on people.

-Ninja_Dog-

sony even said they looked into kinect tech when they were in their initial stages of motion control development and didnt think it was viable.

gotta wonder why they were researching a new eyetoy when they already had the eyetoy... and why they concluded it wasnt viable, when they already proved it was viable by selling it for years!

[QUOTE="-Ninja_Dog-"]

If Kinect was really an eyetoy ripoff, Sony would sue MS so fast it would even be funny.

So if Sony doesn't think its a rip then, why do cows believe it is.

Come on people.

markinthedark

sony even said they looked into kinect tech when they were in their initial stages of motion control development and didnt think it was viable.

gotta wonder why they were researching a new eyetoy when they already had the eyetoy... and why they concluded it wasnt viable, when they already proved it was viable by selling it for years!

sony didnt do it because they lack something microsoft has, which is software, microsoft has something in like everything, so they can get kinect to work with 360, PC, and tvs, without any problems and micrsoft can use it for advertisements.

plus sony doesnt really know how to market gaming products without the word playstation

[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"][QUOTE="IAMSERIAL"]There's nothing smart about releasing such an abomination with a ridiculous price specifically for the casuals. I don't know if you noticed but the economy still sucks and people still rather save money.IAMSERIAL

sony, on the other hand, obviously isn't as smart for blatantly ripping off the wii. again.

How many eye toy games follow your full body movements?

Espada12

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

How many eye toy games follow your full body movements?

godzillavskong

i look at kinect as a public beta device would be cool to have 3D, kinect, microsoft table computer at the same time

and racing games on Kinect will probably suck, theres no pedals or anything to control the speed, its a herky jerky movement with both hands to do a "boost"

And Sony is smart for ripping off the wii and selling it overpriced. Is this getting us anywhere?