MS is stopping Sony to Create the Ultimate Gaming HUB.FACT

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Geuss I was wrong about Tekken 6 staying exclusive. It still baffles me how this is even possible when Sony pays for all of Namco's arcade machines. How can they just take away an exclusivity deal again?

I swear to GOD this damn game better be coming with something extra for the PS3. This generation of gaming has pissed me off beyond belief. It makes no sense for a superior system, with more features, fair and actually better price tag, and actually does something to make games become better versions of themeselves should be being treated like this this gen. What happened to the good days when a developer would be aiming for

making a perfect game and not how can I make the most money possible? This generation has been one disappointment after another. -DMC 4 going MP -FFXIII going MP -Now Tekken going MP all becuz MS

shells out a few bills to these developers. Sony gives them the chance to make an extraordinary game with their bluray and cell technology, yet MS keeps holding them back by stealing them away. This is obviously MS's plan. They keep buying off Sony exclusives to hinder the PS3 from ever reaching full potential. THis must have been the reason MS closed down all those 1st party studios, so they can shell out more cash for Sony exclusives. Every gen Sony tries to step up the bar on how their system can improve gaming. MS's whole goal is just how can they screw up Sony's plan. Why? Because MS has feared the inevitable ascension of Sony. Years ago Sony set out to create the ultimate entertainment hub. The PS3 is basically that dream coming to fruition, this is why MS is pulling no punches whatsoever. They will do what

ever they can in their power to keep Sony from succeeding this gen becuz they fear Sony's onslaught on the PC market. To copyrighting of features in their system that are just retarded, to having random companies suing them left and right to keep them in financial troubles, to sacrificing the quality of their own product to simply get to market first. THese companies are the worst though. SE has been the biggest let down, then Namco. These are companies with the LARGEST fanbase on Playstation and they simply abandon them for a little bit of pocket money from MS. SE has made said they wanted to be even this gen but that was a joke.

SE has given MS SO4(a PS favorite) exclusive, Infinite Undiscover exclusive(even though it was mediocre), and FFXIII( a game that was the most important to Sony's ascension) as MP. Only thing PS fans get from Square is FFvXIII exclusive and the notion that we should be grateful for that. E'F THEM! Namco gave away Katamari to 360 EXCLUSIVE and it BOMBED!!!! MS already has an exclusive fighter known as DOA which doesn't hold a candle to Tekken, and MS STILL gets Tekken. Have these companies no shame? Yes, these companies are out to make a profit but at what cost? The fanbase that made them what they are?

The company that helped them make it in the first place? The quality of the game? The PS3 and 360 are only 5 million

apart in sales, that is not enough to justify the spin of the market in present. The only answer is the good ol MS bank. Yes, I take this kind of stuff personally and very seriously. I am a Game developer in the making and the thought of what this gaming gen has come sickens me. When I finally get to putting my games and gaming ideas out there I will never sell out for money. For me it is not about that. I am all about making the best game possible, making a game that people can enjoy, while utilizing all the resources at hand. I want to make a piece of art, and that cannot be done by spreading the paint(thin) thin so it covers more canvas(userbase).

I have always believed in the notion you create a quality product and the fans will come to you. Hense the reason I love the Sony PS3.

Uhg! I am out.....

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#2 mephisto_11
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Yes MS is owning Sony this gen. Jump in.
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#3 haris12121212
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It's Sony's fault also. Yes MS does use the $ but still Sony shouldn't have been so confident and put a freaking 400-500$ price tag on the PS3. Matter of Fact look at it now, the PS3 is 400$ and the Xbox 360 is 300$... Same games, better exclusives for the X360 ... Seriously PS3 is in some deep trouble.
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#4 ImOldGreg
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M$ is tearing Sony to peices.
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#5 siggy3
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The thing is, when the developers get the opportunity to make an exclusive game for the PS3, it either ends up like Lair or Haze, or it takes around 5 years to complete.
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#6 VoodooHak
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Honestly, we don't know if MS is throwing money at companies.

With growing development costs and the state of the economy, it's not financially prudent for a publisher to limit a game to one console anymore unless there some drastic development differences between two competing platforms. Third part exclusives are becoming less and less prominent these days.

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#7 verbalfilth
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Good post and good read....But remember, the ps3 didn't lose the games, the games simply just went multiplat.

and besides, it may look grim now but there's still games like GOW, Team Ico's whatever it is, Killzone 2, resistance 2, LBP, white knight chronicles, Yakuza 3 etc to look forward to in the future.....just too bad the future is not now.

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#8 siggy3
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Team ICO's game isn't even announced. Who knows how long we'll have to wait for that?
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You say.....

Geuss I was wrong about Tekken 6 staying exclusive. It still baffles me how this is even possible when Sony pays for all of Namco's arcade machines. How can they just take away an exclusivity deal again?

I swear to GOD this damn game better be coming with something extra for the PS3. This generation of gaming has pissed me off beyond belief. It makes no sense for a superior system, with more features, fair and actually better price tag, and actually does something to make games become better versions of themeselves should be being treated like this this gen. What happened to the good days when a developer would be aiming for

making a perfect game and not how can I make the most money possible? This generation has been one disappointment after another. -DMC 4 going MP -FFXIII going MP -Now Tekken going MP all becuz MS

shells out a few bills to these developers. Sony gives them the chance to make an extraordinary game with their bluray and cell technology, yet MS keeps holding them back by stealing them away. This is obviously MS's plan. They keep buying off Sony exclusives to hinder the PS3 from ever reaching full potential. THis must have been the reason MS closed down all those 1st party studios, so they can shell out more cash for Sony exclusives. Every gen Sony tries to step up the bar on how their system can improve gaming. MS's whole goal is just how can they screw up Sony's plan. Why? Because MS has feared the inevitable ascension of Sony. Years ago Sony set out to create the ultimate entertainment hub. The PS3 is basically that dream coming to fruition, this is why MS is pulling no punches whatsoever. They will do what

ever they can in their power to keep Sony from succeeding this gen becuz they fear Sony's onslaught on the PC market. To copyrighting of features in their system that are just retarded, to having random companies suing them left and right to keep them in financial troubles, to sacrificing the quality of their own product to simply get to market first. THese companies are the worst though. SE has been the biggest let down, then Namco. These are companies with the LARGEST fanbase on Playstation and they simply abandon them for a little bit of pocket money from MS. SE has made said they wanted to be even this gen but that was a joke.

SE has given MS SO4(a PS favorite) exclusive, Infinite Undiscover exclusive(even though it was mediocre), and FFXIII( a game that was the most important to Sony's ascension) as MP. Only thing PS fans get from Square is FFvXIII exclusive and the notion that we should be grateful for that. E'F THEM! Namco gave away Katamari to 360 EXCLUSIVE and it BOMBED!!!! MS already has an exclusive fighter known as DOA which doesn't hold a candle to Tekken, and MS STILL gets Tekken. Have these companies no shame? Yes, these companies are out to make a profit but at what cost? The fanbase that made them what they are?

The company that helped them make it in the first place? The quality of the game? The PS3 and 360 are only 5 million

apart in sales, that is not enough to justify the spin of the market in present. The only answer is the good ol MS bank. Yes, I take this kind of stuff personally and very seriously. I am a Game developer in the making and the thought of what this gaming gen has come sickens me. When I finally get to putting my games and gaming ideas out there I will never sell out for money. For me it is not about that. I am all about making the best game possible, making a game that people can enjoy, while utilizing all the resources at hand. I want to make a piece of art, and that cannot be done by spreading the paint(thin) thin so it covers more canvas(userbase).

I have always believed in the notion you create a quality product and the fans will come to you. Hense the reason I love the Sony PS3.

Uhg! I am out.....

Queef_Storm

I hear....... :cry: :cry: :cry:

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lol hey fart storm
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#11 WileyCoyote315
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All I hear are complaints that are unwarrented. Its an inevitable trend that third party developers are going multi-plat. Developers will always go where the money is, and going multi-plat is one sure way of ensuring this. This trend should suggest to you that MS is now a serious competator in the Gaming industry. The original xbox would never move exclusives, because developers didnt recognize it as a top selling platform. The 360 now is, so its only natural for developers to jump on board. You mist recognize that this is somewhat of Sony's own fault. The 360 is much more dev friendly, PS3 kind of screwed itself with the complex cell archecture that takes 2x longer to develop and yield ambiguous performance increase.

Sony has always been the traditional platform. And its about time that it becomes more innovative by concentrating on first party exclusives. I hope that you realize that the loss of third party exclusives is pushing sony to develop more promising titles like Heavy Rain and LBP.

Its economic law that competition benefits the consumer. I dont understand why you are being a crybaby about MS challenging Sony's position. Its about time the gaming industry have some push in my opinion.

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#12 Dreams-Visions
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The industry is a business.

Microsoft is making business moves that benefits them and their consumers.

And understand, if the Xbox 360 were not such a viable platform (outperforming the PS3 in software attach ratio by a good deal), the developers wouldn't do it. But again, it's in the interests of the developers to get into the good thing Microsoft has created, it's in MS best interests because it means more hardware and services sales, and its in the consumers best interests as they continue to enjoy the best library on any console.

Such is life, young man.

If Sony doesn't want to play, all they have to do is continue acting like they're untouchable and developers will come groveling at their feet to develop on their platform.

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When I finally get to putting my games and gaming ideas out there I will never sell out for money. For me it is not about that.

Queef_Storm
Good luck using your cute little "damn the man" attitude to pay the mortgage or put food on the table. This is a business, not a charity, and no matter how passionate you are about what you do, you still take your orders from whoever signs your paychecks.
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Lol...just jump in and live your moment. Because when you do, your tears will wash away. :P

Seriously, this is like last year's Super Bowl. Patriots got cocky and look what happened. They lost to the Giants. Sony is to blame too. Microsoft is just trying to survive tis all. :)

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#15 Blackbond
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Serioulsy people. Is its capitalism?

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economics

Serioulsy people. Is its capitalism?

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Another thread close. Brought to you by B^2

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#17 ReverseCycology
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*looks at TC's username*

*looks at level and post count*

*exits and never comes back again*

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Money is thicker than trust
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#19 Dreams-Visions
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Money is thicker than trustbox0rocks
green is more important than red.

Serioulsy people. Is its capitalism?

Blackbond

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Lol...just jump in and live your moment. Because when you do, your tears will wash away. :P

Seriously, this is like last year's Super Bowl. Patriots got cocky and look what happened. They lost to the Giants. Sony is to blame too. Microsoft is just trying to survive tis all. :)

sargentbotk

How did the patriots get cocky? :? They just choked.

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Serioulsy people. Is its capitalism?

Blackbond

I don't get it. Someone explain plz? Being only 14, I don't necessarily know much about economics... O_O

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#22 qman101
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Serioulsy people. Is its capitalism?

Blackbond

I don't get it. Someone explain plz? Being only 14, I don't necessarily know much about economics... O_O

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Geuss I was wrong about Tekken 6 staying exclusive. It still baffles me how this is even possible when Sony pays for all of Namco's arcade machines. How can they just take away an exclusivity deal again? Because Sony isn't willing to pay them the money they'd make off of a 360 version. It's pretty basic really.

I swear to GOD this damn game better be coming with something extra for the PS3. This generation of gaming has pissed me off beyond belief. It makes no sense for a superior system, with more features, fair and actually better price tag(Yeah I know....I can't believe the PS2 beat out the xbox....oh wait, you're talking about the PS3? I'd MAYBE give you more features(though if you made a list of all features of both systems I don't know if that would hold true)., and actually does something to make games become better versions of themeselves should be being treated like this this gen. You're once again describing last gen and the xbox vs. the PS2...the PS3 is doing NONE of that. What happened to the good days when a developer would be aiming for

making a perfect game and not how can I make the most money possible? the focus was ALWAYS on making the most money possible. Where are all these perfect games from generations past? Oh yeah, very far and few between just like now. This generation has been one disappointment after another. -DMC 4 going MP -FFXIII going MP -Now Tekken going MP all becuz MS

shells out a few bills to these developers(no, Sony would have to pay to keep them exclusive...now that they don't hold a five fold advantage devs make the games for other systems. MS pays for exclusives and exclusive content...devs are going multiplat because neither company is paying them for exclusivity) . Hmmm, since I bought a system based on games and not the company making it I haven't been dissapointed at ALL. Stop letting brand loyalty guide you and use objective reasoning for your purchases Sony gives them the chance to make an extraordinary game with their bluray and cell technology,by making them kill themselves to do the same things easily accomplished on the just as powerful 360? Stop believing Sony's PR talk which has been shown to be utter crap. yet MS keeps holding them back by stealing them away. This is obviously MS's plan. They keep buying off Sony exclusives to hinder the PS3 from ever reaching full potential. Nope, they just made a more developer friendly platform and have a userbase that buys the most games. THis must have been the reason MS closed down all those 1st party studios, so they can shell out more cash for Sony exclusives. 3rd parties AREN'T sony exlcusives...Sony isn't entitled to these exclusives unless they're willing to give more incentives than other companies. Everything you're whining about is ALL sony's fault. Every gen Sony tries to step up the bar on how their system can improve gaming. Really? Sony has consistantly had the least powerful systems. They've ALWAYS won based on a superior library NOT system power. MS's whole goal is just how can they screw up Sony's plan. Why? Because MS has feared the inevitable ascension of Sony. Years ago Sony set out to create the ultimate entertainment hub. (Hate to break it to you, but MS has been talking about getting entertainment PC's into the living room for close to 20 years...the xbox was the start of that.)The PS3 is basically that dream coming to fruition, this is why MS is pulling no punches whatsoever. In case you didn't notice the 360 can do everything the PS3 can, and ALREADY had this entertainment hub stuff going LAST gen. They will do whatever they can in their power to keep Sony from succeeding this gen becuz they fear Sony's onslaught on the PC market. The consoles aren't vying to replace the PC, as the PC has too many functions that will NEVER be friendly to the living room. They're trying to supplement them by moving the "fun" things IN to the living room. To copyrighting of features in their system that are just retarded,(Rootkit scandal anyone?) to having random companies suing them left and right to keep them in financial troubles(Immersion anyone?), to sacrificing the quality of their own product to simply get to market first.(The PS1 and PS2 faulty hardware anyone?) THese companies are the worst though. SE has been the biggest let down, then Namco. These are companies with the LARGEST fanbase on Playstation and they simply abandon them for a little bit of pocket money from MS. On the flip side of the coin MAYBE sony should have thanked them with a little coin for making the previous playstations successes. 3rd party support made the playstations successful, not the other way around(as the third parties would have the same success regardless of what company made the most popular console in a given gen). Oh, and once again, MS isn't paying for multiplats...it is in the companies own best interests to NOT make PS exclusives this gen. SE has made said they wanted to be even this gen but that was a joke.(You're right, it was a joke. They have to appease the japanese sense of honor when they announce they are supporting an american company in addition to a japanese one.

SE has given MS SO4(a PS favorite) exclusive, Infinite Undiscover exclusive(even though it was mediocre), and FFXIII( a game that was the most important to Sony's ascension) as MP. Only thing PS fans get from Square is FFvXIII exclusive and the notion that we should be grateful for that. You should, as making a PS exclusive is the LEAST desirable for a company this gen. E'F THEM! Namco gave away Katamari to 360 EXCLUSIVE and it BOMBED!!!! MS already has an exclusive fighter known as DOA which doesn't hold a candle to Tekken, and MS STILL gets Tekken. Funny how the playing field levels out when your userbase isn't 5x as large as the next closest isn't it? Have these companies no shame? Yes, these companies are out to make a profit but at what cost? The fanbase that made them what they are? The fans of the games made them "what they are" not sony fans. By going multiplat it means that their fans that decided to go with another machine this gen can still play their games. you have a warped sense of loyalty.

The company that helped them make it in the first place? Once again, THEY helped make sony popular, not the other way aaround. The quality of the game? The PS3 and 360 are only 5 million apart in sales, that is not enough to justify the spin of the market in present. Going from 50 million or more ahead last gen to 5 million behind IS enough to justify former PS exclusives going elsewhere. Think rationally for a minute here. NONE of the incentives for making a PS exclusive exist this gen and as such PS exclusives are no longer exclusive. The only answer is the good ol MS bank. No, the only answer is there is MORE money to be made on other platforms this time around...is that really so hard to get? Yes, I take this kind of stuff personally and very seriously. and irrationally. I am a Game developer in the making and the thought of what this gaming gen has come sickens me. When I finally get to putting my games and gaming ideas out there I will never sell out for money. For me it is not about that. I am all about making the best game possible, making a game that people can enjoy, while utilizing all the resources at hand. I want to make a piece of art, and that cannot be done by spreading the paint(thin) thin so it covers more canvas(userbase).

I have always believed in the notion you create a quality product and the fans will come to you. Hense the reason I love the Sony PS3. A game console "product" is the sum of both hardware AND software, MS has made a quality product and the fans are coming to them...oh I see you only want that to work when it is in sony's favor.

Uhg! I am out.....out of your mind

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you need to take your bias out and look at things critically and objectively, you'll see just how little sense you're making.
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You needed yet another account?
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#25 Set_Free
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I agree with the TC Because I truly believe that sony has the better system... it'll take and xbox 360 about 700 to equal up to what a ps3 is out of the box!(Launch day price)... Plus they are messing up the industry when they do things like buy exclusive rights to a demo!!! They take low blow after low blow because the know that they can use money to make up for and inferior system!

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#26 Dreams-Visions
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[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

Serioulsy people. Is its capitalism?

qman101

I don't get it. Someone explain plz? Being only 14, I don't necessarily know much about economics... O_O

In short: businesses are drawn towards the lifeblood of any business: money. In the case of gaming, it's what keeps dev houses open. It's what allows them to keep the electricity on in the development labs. It's what lets them put gas in their car and feed their children.

So when they look at the Xbox 360 software attach ratios (which are insanely high...meaning 360 owners BUY games), and they look at the sales numbers for the 360, as well as the relative ease of development and porting to other platforms (like the PC) for even more sales.

Next, they consider those realities relative to the rising cost of game development (as games become more technical and powerful, they require more engineers, programmers and artists to get games out in a reasonable timeframe...which means more people to pay...and a higher cost in the end) and several strong PS3 franshises grossly underperforming in sales, and they understand that making a game on the new PlayStation doesn't mean instant sales and investment recouped like it did on old Playstations...and they understand the risk of making it only on the PlayStation is, thus, orders of magnitude more risky (as if their game doesn't sell, it'll make the future of said dev unsure).

Lastly, when you have Microsoft also willing to add some amount of financial compensation or royalties break for bringing a game to their console, you have a proposition developers can't really refuse.

In summary: Economics, my dear watson. The dollar trumps loyalty. Then again, loyalty doesn't pay the bills or buy cereal for the kids breakfast.

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#27 fluxorator
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At least some people can realise it.

The PS3/360 are just Sony's/Microsoft's way of making a little bit of cash.

The only thing people don't seem to realise is, right now the 360 is more important to MS than the PS3 is to Sony.

In the eyes of Sony, the PS3 has done it's job. It beat HD-DVD. Now it's just making a teeny bit of cash on the side as it idle's its way to it's eventual replacement.

If you look back through history you would realise then ENTIRE Playstation franchise was made to help boost sales for other parts of Sony.

The Playstation was made to push the CD into more households, which it did.

The Playstation 2 was thought up in a time where people would walk into VideoEzy or Blockbuster and see one rack of DVD's.
They would then think to themselves if anyone actually borrowed them...

DVD didn't seem to have a very good future and the Playstation 2 was just what it needed, pushing the DVD format into homes.

The Playstation 3 was made for the purpose of Blu-Ray.

As far as I see, it wasn't made to beat the Xbox360, although I'm not saying it can't. It's purpose:

Beat HD-DVD. It did. In Sony's eyes.

Now, that purpose has changed slightly into:

Sell more HDTVs, and in my country at least, there are deals where you can get a Sony Bravia and a PS3 in a package, relatively cheap. It seems to be doing that pretty well as well.

An analogy (A bad one).

Think of the PS3 as the Wii.

Nintendo sold the Wii, not for the purpose of having the Wii beat everyone else, but in the hope that it will get you to buy all the accesories that come with it. Extra Wii-motes, Nun-chucks, Steering Wheels etc.
In the same way the PS3 was sold to try and move those Sony Bravias, to get those Blu-Ray discs off the shelf.

So far, like the Wii, it's doing that.

Microsoft on the other hand is a totally different story. No matter how hard you try and argue, it's a fact that it's slowly losing market share to Apple. (Mac shipments grew 9 times faster that PC in Q2 this year, in the US). The reasons for that don't matter, although becoming seemingly more obvious.

The fact is, Windows and Microsoft Office are the main sources of income for MS, and slowly thats starting to fade away.
If you check it out, Microsoft makes little/breaks even/loses money on nearly everything else it does.

Bring in the XBOX. This little machine was made to try and remind developers about DirectX on PC. This was at a time where the PC market was rapidly slowing down compared to consoles. The PS2 had standardized DVDs and the PC was still running off those inferior versions they called CDs (mostly anyway, it was only a couple of years ago they stopped selling CD versions for popular games).

DirectX is made and owned by Microsoft (no-duh) and the Xbox was made to remind people about DirectX and more importantly the PC itself. Like Playstation 1/2/3 it wasn't made to suceed as a gaming console.

Along comes the Xbox360. This little gadget was made to succeed as a console. Microsoft, this time around needs that money it lost from the XBOX. Sure it was intending on losing money, but not that much.

What I'm saying here is...

The PS3 is owned and supported by a company that leads the market in many areas of electronics and entertainment. Sony is HUGE, and it seems to be doing VERY well. The PS3 is the least of it's worries/problems/things to gloat about.

The 360 is owned and supported by a company that also leads the market in one area. Software. Although Microsoft again is HUGE, richer than Sony. The way it's headed most people know it's not going to last. Currently the company is running off the massive profits it gained during the 90's.

For those of you who don't remember, Steve Jobs left Apple in the mid-80's and Apple went into a downward spiral during the 90s. That's the time Microsoft picked up what was left of the market and really established itself. Microsoft Office, 95 & 98.
However now Apple (back with Steve Jobs, although he really has very little to do with it) is having a comeback.

To be honest this has nothing to Apple or Microsoft, but merely consumers.
(In the 90's PCs did what people wanted better, now Macs do what people want better)

Yes, Microsoft is still on top. It will probably remain that way for a while, but the fact is the 360 has become Microsoft's fallback.
No matter how hard it's PC division gets hit the 360 will still keep selling.

Ok, all of that is my opinions that I've formed after years of reading millions of newpaper articles etc.
That's all it is, an opinion, and you're welcome to disagree with it. But personally I think it explains a lot when it comes to why MS is a lot more pro-active with the 360 than Sony is with the PS3. It needs to be.

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Steppy 76 your post was hilarious. in a good way.
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#29 Eltroz
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Way to big of a wall of text to read about a fanboy rant angry at MS because Sony can not hold onto its games. At least you could have used your main account.
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#30 Ninja-Hippo
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I'm not really liking this myth that microsoft are buying up all of sony's exclusives. Is there a shred of truth or evidence behind this, besides fanboy speculation?

Is it not more likely that Square or Tecmo simply cant afford to make their first next-gen game in their best franchises on one system with very difficult architecture, lower attachment rates and a smaller use base?

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The only thing people don't seem to realise is, right now the 360 is more important to MS than the PS3 is to Sony.fluxorator

Lol wut? The Xbox brand has yet to become a source of revenue to MS. Its much less important to MS than the Playstation brand is to Sony, by a few billion dollars.

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#32 Eltroz
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Look cows the PS3 is in LAST place. Why would developers want to put games that they spent millions on making and hundreds of man hours to put solely on a last place console exclusively. PS3 is not doing well so deal with it, after a few years now of the PS3 being out it has stayed in last place this whole time.

In the end developers would like to make money of of the games they make and not just leave them exclusively on a last place console. Just be happy MGS4 did not go multiplat.

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#33 fluxorator
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[QUOTE="fluxorator"]The only thing people don't seem to realise is, right now the 360 is more important to MS than the PS3 is to Sony.SpruceCaboose

Lol wut? The Xbox brand has yet to become a source of revenue to MS. Its much less important to MS than the Playstation brand is to Sony, by a few billion dollars.

It's an opinion, read the entire post and it might make a bit more sense.

MS are pro-actively trying to make it a source of revenue. Whereas for Sony the PS3 has done it's job, it doesn't matter (as much) any more. They've got bigger things to worry about (like Blu-Ray)

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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

[QUOTE="fluxorator"]The only thing people don't seem to realise is, right now the 360 is more important to MS than the PS3 is to Sony.fluxorator

Lol wut? The Xbox brand has yet to become a source of revenue to MS. Its much less important to MS than the Playstation brand is to Sony, by a few billion dollars.

It's an opinion, read the entire post and it might make a bit more sense.

MS are pro-actively trying to make it a source of revenue. Whereas for Sony the PS3 has done it's job, it doesn't matter (as much) any more. They've got bigger things to worry about (like Blu-Ray)

I read your whole post. Its very short sighted. Windows is not going anywhere. Yes, Apple sold moe computers. They are still less than 10% of the OS market, and as Apple computers grow in popularity that will actually work against them.

Microsoft does not need the Xbox brand, but it looks more and more like a potentially good revenue stream for them, so they keep at it.

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#36 fluxorator
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[QUOTE="fluxorator"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

[QUOTE="fluxorator"]The only thing people don't seem to realise is, right now the 360 is more important to MS than the PS3 is to Sony.SpruceCaboose

Lol wut? The Xbox brand has yet to become a source of revenue to MS. Its much less important to MS than the Playstation brand is to Sony, by a few billion dollars.

It's an opinion, read the entire post and it might make a bit more sense.

MS are pro-actively trying to make it a source of revenue. Whereas for Sony the PS3 has done it's job, it doesn't matter (as much) any more. They've got bigger things to worry about (like Blu-Ray)

I read your whole post. Its very short sighted. Windows is not going anywhere. Yes, Apple sold moe computers. They are still less than 10% of the OS market, and as Apple computers grow in popularity that will actually work against them.

Microsoft does not need the Xbox brand, but it looks more and more like a potentially good revenue stream for them, so they keep at it.

Personally I don't see how Apple's growing popularity will work against them. They've made their name this far, carried by their laptops and the iPod. It's not that Microsoft is getting worse, or not getting better. It's just at this rate Apple seems to be getting better, faster.

Microsoft doesn't need the Xbox right now, but as I said, it's becoming a fall back. It's never going to earn as much money as Windows/Office, but at the moment it's starting to look a whole lot more secure.

But really the reasons don't really matter. The PS3 has done it's job in the eyes of Sony, and the 360 still has a while to go.

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gta4 was suppose to be ps3 exclusive too
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At least some people can realise it.

The PS3/360 are just Sony's/Microsoft's way of making a little bit of cash.

The only thing people don't seem to realise is, right now the 360 is more important to MS than the PS3 is to Sony. Not quite, the playstation division has been far and away sony's most profitable division the past 13 years. Nearly every other sector Sony is in has very low profit margins(and were kept afloat by the playstation division for YEARS). MS makes money hand over fist in most of thier other divisions. Without the xbox MS still makes boatloads of money. Without the playstation sony may very well have been chapter 11 years ago. If the PS3 can't propel bluray to be the market king DVD is, Sony may very well have killed its most profitable division and failed to create one to take its place. Sony needs either bluray or the playstation to be hugely successful. MS doesn't need the xbox to be successful(they want it to be becasue it can bring in even MORE billions that they already make).

In the eyes of Sony, the PS3 has done it's job. It beat HD-DVD. Now it's just making a teeny bit of cash on the side as it idle's its way to it's eventual replacement. Bluray is FAR from being secured as DVD's replacement.

If you look back through history you would realise then ENTIRE Playstation franchise was made to help boost sales for other parts of Sony.

The Playstation was made to push the CD into more households, which it did. The audiotape was already usurped by CD years before the playstation came around.

The Playstation 2 was thought up in a time where people would walk into VideoEzy or Blockbuster and see one rack of DVD's.
They would then think to themselves if anyone actually borrowed them...DVD players had dropped in price to 200 bucks or less by the time the PS2 came out. DVD was already guaranteed to be a success PS2 or no PS2.

DVD didn't seem to have a very good future and the Playstation 2 was just what it needed, pushing the DVD format into homes.DVD's future was VERY bright when the PS2 came out. It was being used in the movie sector, the PC storage sector. Since it was primarily the same thing as a CD player, the players dropped in price VERY quickly(for comparison, bluray players would have to be below 100 bucks by next christmas to follow the path of the DVD.) The release of sub $100 dollar chinese DVD players within a year of the PS2's release had 10 fold more impact than the PS2 did. The PS2 gets more credit than it should when it comes to DVD adoption.

The Playstation 3 was made for the purpose of Blu-Ray.

As far as I see, it wasn't made to beat the Xbox360, although I'm not saying it can't. It's purpose:

Beat HD-DVD. It did. In Sony's eyes. yep, they basically bought the HD optical market, and the cost was its videgame market dominance. We just have to wait and see if what they bought ends up being worth the price they paid.

Now, that purpose has changed slightly into:

Sell more HDTVs, and in my country at least, there are deals where you can get a Sony Bravia and a PS3 in a package, relatively cheap. It seems to be doing that pretty well as well.

An analogy (A bad one).

Think of the PS3 as the Wii.

Nintendo sold the Wii, not for the purpose of having the Wii beat everyone else, but in the hope that it will get you to buy all the accesories that come with it. Extra Wii-motes, Nun-chucks, Steering Wheels etc.
In the same way the PS3 was sold to try and move those Sony Bravias, to get those Blu-Ray discs off the shelf.

So far, like the Wii, it's doing that.

Microsoft on the other hand is a totally different story. No matter how hard you try and argue, it's a fact that it's slowly losing market share to Apple. (Mac shipments grew 9 times faster that PC in Q2 this year, in the US). The reasons for that don't matter, although becoming seemingly more obvious. And with that Apple has gone from a 5-8% marketshare 10 years ago to roughly a 12-15% marketshare in the OS market today. Oh, and MS office is the best selling productivity software for macs.

The fact is, Windows and Microsoft Office are the main sources of income for MS, and slowly thats starting to fade away.
If you check it out, Microsoft makes little/breaks even/loses money on nearly everything else it does.While they're OS market has gone down very slowly, the OS that took it away STILL buys their next largest product for it(office). MS makes money on their peripherals...what exactly are they losing money on BESIDES the xbox?

Bring in the XBOX. This little machine was made to try and remind developers about DirectX on PC. This was at a time where the PC market was rapidly slowing down compared to consoles. The PC market has grown at a faster rate than consoles for the past 20 years...when in the heck did you get that idea from? The PS2 had standardized DVDs and the PC was still running off those inferior versions they called CDs (mostly anyway, it was only a couple of years ago they stopped selling CD versions for popular games).In case you didn't notice PC games don't actually run off of the media they're shipped on...there was no reason to use a DVD that was more expensive then a couple CD's. Games in the past few years grew to the point where a single DVD was cheaper to make than 10 CDs'. Also, DVD drives had been standard long enough to be installed into the majority of computers still in use.

DirectX is made and owned by Microsoft (no-duh) and the Xbox was made to remind people about DirectX and more importantly the PC itself. Like Playstation 1/2/3 it wasn't made to suceed as a gaming console. The Xbox was the beginnings of the "thin net pc's" MS talked about YEARS ago. It was the first step in getting people comfortable with MS in the livingroom and be associated with fun and entertainment rather than just PC's(which intimidated many people back then) and antitrust suits.

Along comes the Xbox360. This little gadget was made to succeed as a console. Microsoft, this time around needs that money it lost from the XBOX. Sure it was intending on losing money, but not that much. They WANT to make the money back, they don't "need" to. Slowly but surely MS is making this into the end all be all media hub. They're doing it slowly as the market gets used to the functions slowly.

What I'm saying here is...

The PS3 is owned and supported by a company that leads the market in many areas of electronics and entertainment. Sony is HUGE, and it seems to be doing VERY well. The PS3 is the least of it's worries/problems/things to gloat about.you should take a look at the portfolios of these companies sometimes, as what YOu seem to think is the opposite of what is happening. Sony has had its electronics prowess usurped by MANY companies over the years.

The 360 is owned and supported by a company that also leads the market in one area. Software. Although Microsoft again is HUGE, richer than Sony. The way it's headed most people know it's not going to last. Currently the company is running off the massive profits it gained during the 90's. MS still makes more profit in a quarter than sony makes in a year.

For those of you who don't remember, Steve Jobs left Apple in the mid-80's and Apple went into a downward spiral during the 90s. That's the time Microsoft picked up what was left of the market and really established itself. Microsoft Office, 95 & 98.
However now Apple (back with Steve Jobs, although he really has very little to do with it) is having a comeback.

To be honest this has nothing to Apple or Microsoft, but merely consumers.
(In the 90's PCs did what people wanted better, now Macs do what people want better)

Yes, Microsoft is still on top. It will probably remain that way for a while, but the fact is the 360 has become Microsoft's fallback.
No matter how hard it's PC division gets hit the 360 will still keep selling. Nope, the 360 is the "client" in MS's hopes of an eventual client server home network. The PC(a media center PC) holds media and everything(and does the boring business tasks like doing your taxes, etc etc), and the clients(VG consoles, media extenders, etc)play that media thorughout the home. The 360 is meant to compliment the PC not replace it.

Ok, all of that is my opinions that I've formed after years of reading millions of newpaper articles etc.
That's all it is, an opinion, and you're welcome to disagree with it. But personally I think it explains a lot when it comes to why MS is a lot more pro-active with the 360 than Sony is with the PS3. It needs to be.They're proactive because it is the 2nd half of their 2 part vision...regardless of who else is in the market.

fluxorator
Wow, MS needs a little more credit htan you give it and you give Sony way too much credit.
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crying over games going multiplat? wow this is one of the most pathetic things ever

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#40 groovdafied
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It's called competition, without it, we wouldn't have better consoles. Get over yourself.
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Serioulsy people. Is its capitalism?

Blackbond

Its true its capitalism but we all know what happens when M$ starts to control things Windows any one???

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#42 WileyCoyote315
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[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

Serioulsy people. Is its capitalism?

njean777

Its true its capitalism but we all know what happens when M$ starts to control things Windows any one???

Thats the beauty of competition. Sony pushed the 360 to where it is now, and pressure from the 360 gave PS3 owners Home. And fortunately after Home announcement, MS planned the 360 dashboard update too.

I say, heat up the competition more, Im benefiting the most!

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#43 dantesergei
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Just buy the god damn game !!!!!!!! and enjoy it, this is what is all about, having fun playing games. People concentrating on sales and BS, people concentrating on wich console is selling more. Jesus christ has everyone forgot whats the point of playing games???? let me tell you....... . TO HAVE ****ING FUN !!!! nothing more !!!

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this gen has been so far dissapointing for sony, but its not over for them. and i get why devs would want to go multiplat - but its not as though there becoming exclusive to 360. so not bad.
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[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

Serioulsy people. Is its capitalism?

njean777

Its true its capitalism but we all know what happens when M$ starts to control things Windows any one???

You buy a Mac or use Linux.

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Geuss I was wrong about Tekken 6 staying exclusive. It still baffles me how this is even possible when Sony pays for all of Namco's arcade machines. How can they just take away an exclusivity deal again?

I swear to GOD this damn game better be coming with something extra for the PS3. This generation of gaming has pissed me off beyond belief. It makes no sense for a superior system, with more features, fair and actually better price tag, and actually does something to make games become better versions of themeselves should be being treated like this this gen. What happened to the good days when a developer would be aiming for

making a perfect game and not how can I make the most money possible? This generation has been one disappointment after another. -DMC 4 going MP -FFXIII going MP -Now Tekken going MP all becuz MS

shells out a few bills to these developers. Sony gives them the chance to make an extraordinary game with their bluray and cell technology, yet MS keeps holding them back by stealing them away. This is obviously MS's plan. They keep buying off Sony exclusives to hinder the PS3 from ever reaching full potential. THis must have been the reason MS closed down all those 1st party studios, so they can shell out more cash for Sony exclusives. Every gen Sony tries to step up the bar on how their system can improve gaming. MS's whole goal is just how can they screw up Sony's plan. Why? Because MS has feared the inevitable ascension of Sony. Years ago Sony set out to create the ultimate entertainment hub. The PS3 is basically that dream coming to fruition, this is why MS is pulling no punches whatsoever. They will do what

ever they can in their power to keep Sony from succeeding this gen becuz they fear Sony's onslaught on the PC market. To copyrighting of features in their system that are just retarded, to having random companies suing them left and right to keep them in financial troubles, to sacrificing the quality of their own product to simply get to market first. THese companies are the worst though. SE has been the biggest let down, then Namco. These are companies with the LARGEST fanbase on Playstation and they simply abandon them for a little bit of pocket money from MS. SE has made said they wanted to be even this gen but that was a joke.

SE has given MS SO4(a PS favorite) exclusive, Infinite Undiscover exclusive(even though it was mediocre), and FFXIII( a game that was the most important to Sony's ascension) as MP. Only thing PS fans get from Square is FFvXIII exclusive and the notion that we should be grateful for that. E'F THEM! Namco gave away Katamari to 360 EXCLUSIVE and it BOMBED!!!! MS already has an exclusive fighter known as DOA which doesn't hold a candle to Tekken, and MS STILL gets Tekken. Have these companies no shame? Yes, these companies are out to make a profit but at what cost? The fanbase that made them what they are?

The company that helped them make it in the first place? The quality of the game? The PS3 and 360 are only 5 million

apart in sales, that is not enough to justify the spin of the market in present. The only answer is the good ol MS bank. Yes, I take this kind of stuff personally and very seriously. I am a Game developer in the making and the thought of what this gaming gen has come sickens me. When I finally get to putting my games and gaming ideas out there I will never sell out for money. For me it is not about that. I am all about making the best game possible, making a game that people can enjoy, while utilizing all the resources at hand. I want to make a piece of art, and that cannot be done by spreading the paint(thin) thin so it covers more canvas(userbase).

I have always believed in the notion you create a quality product and the fans will come to you. Hense the reason I love the Sony PS3.

Uhg! I am out.....

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it's all about competition. companies will try to take away market shares from other companies that dominates that area. they could either succeed or not depending on their strategies. like apple who still dominates the online and portable music markets and MS who tried to steal some market shares by releasing their zune players and online music service but didn't quite work out very well. MS internet explorer web browser used to dominate but now firefox is eating up some of its market share. MS tried to buyout yahoo because they can't compete with google who dominates online advertising. as you can see, it's all about competition and depending on their strategy, they'll be able to make it or not.

so i guess MS was able to gain some market share on the video game industry because they made a console that is easier to work with, less expensive, and releasing it early just to get a head start. so they basically had a good strategy for releasing their XBOX 360 but i know that sony is trying to defend it's title.

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#47 blazed0000
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Sony doesn't have to buy theyre exclusives like M$.

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#48 daveg1
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the ps3 isn't a superior gaming machine...

I'd be weary of this guy with his 3 post count spewing all this sony pr nonsense here...

the fact is sony have screwed them selves..

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#49 themyth01
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Lol. Ok now, I wonder if you thought the same thing about the PS2 holding the much more powerful XBOX back last-gen...
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The TC obviously created his count just to vent on this subject and will never return.