MS: Please support the ESRAM even though we are abandoning it. . . (Scorpio white papers reveal the sad truth)

Hope you guys are ready to upgrade to Scorpio, because ya'lls games on original hardware are about to suffer.

Microsoft's whitepaper categorically rules out ESRAM for Scorpio, while at the same time suggesting that developers continue to support it to ensure strong performance on legacy Xbox One hardware.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-the-race-to-4k-how-scorpio-targets-ultra-hd-gaming

And it looks like you can forget about the upgrade-sauce. Lemmings got rekt with their 4k console upgrade lol Please be hype!

Take ten deep breaths, all will be just fine & dandy you have the SP's word on it. :P

Damn beat me to it...

@sts106mat said:

another quality thread from

6 TFlops confirmed. How-a bout-a da sauce?!

There are other clues as to Scorpio's final hardware set-up within the whitepaper. The six teraflop GPU is once again confirmed,

Another Xbox thread from a person that doesn't like the Xbox LOL.

Another day and the life of system wars trolls/fanboys

I'm sure you'll have plenty of chances to run defense on this thing when E3 comes around. Cheer up!

No Zen and they are using checkerboard rendering as well. So the Scorpio will be a PS4 Pro with more RAM and teraflops. I guess that $399 is achievable after all. But goodbye native 4K gaming.

@Shewgenja said:

@sts106mat said:

another quality thread from

6 TFlops confirmed. How-a bout-a da sauce?!

There are other clues as to Scorpio's final hardware set-up within the whitepaper. The six teraflop GPU is once again confirmed,

Also likely it's Polaris, like I said a few months ago. That's how they're going to be able to sell it at a decent price point.

Run defense on what? I'm sure you'll come up with another idiotic thread this week about something you claim not to like so much.

I know. Haven't done DF stuff in a while since all they were talking about was PS4 Pro.

"The race for 4K has begun"

Lol what race? I've been gaming in 4K for over a year so PC is already past the finish line. Consoles haven't started yet.

I read it. It's great news for Xbox One and Scorpio gamers for sure. The Xbox One, Xbox One S are not being left behind. It just doesn't get any better than that. And confirms Scorpio as the most powerful console in the world. It's a win win for gamers around the world!! PS fans REKT.

This is looking like a more powerful PS4 Pro. Likely to have a Jaguar cpu with polaris gpu. Not the generational leap some, including myself, were expecting.

Ron is going to flip out!

WOW. Ignorance is a sad thing indeed. You do know that existing game engines can handle this on the backend. You need to try harder next time.

Doesn't the pro plays some games in native 4k?

On the face of it, the in-depth discussion of techniques like this may be suggesting that Scorpio isn't the 'true 4K' console that Microsoft marketed it as at E3 2016. But the practical reality is that the document confirms that at least one first-party 1080p title has transitioned relatively easily to native 4K (our best guess would be the Forza Motorsport engine is the technology in question here), and accepts the reality that GPU resources aren't always best spent on precision pixel-work at ultra HD resolutions.

Oh, you mean like this?

PlayStation 4 Pro has offered several titles with high performance modes running on unlocked frame-rates - and notably none of them has managed to double performance consistently from 30fps to 60fps. Microsoft makes no claim that Scorpio is able to do so either and instead suggests a compromise - running GPU elements at twice the speed, while CPU-bound elements are interpolated. A move to far more powerful Zen cores would almost certainly make such advice redundant. We're not aware of any console titles that use this frame-rate upscaing technique - though there was a really impressive Force Unleashed 2 tech demo back in the day - but at the very least, the comment reaffirms our belief that Scorpio's CPU technology has not moved on in step with its GPU.

Digital Foundry says it's only slightly stronger than the PS4 Pro and uses the same type of "4K". Waiting a full year for this mess lol but at least it'll be $399.

This is what I found interesting, but lemmings are ignoring it like Kryptonite.

Yes it does, like NBA 2k17. But he is also right that 4K gaming on PC has been around before consoles. I think the comment was made in the context of console gaming.

But but but we were promised by the Lems this would be a 4k native juggernaut. I was told I was a rabid cow hater for saying 6 TFlops would not be enough.

Wat happen? Can a lemming please explain? My feeble Cow brain cannot handle the alternative facts.

Well yeah I know that, PlayStation and Xbox can never catch up to the PC, that's obviously but I knew some games on the pro was native 4K.

So it sounds like a PS4Pro+.

Wait....what happen to 8Tflops?

Juicy for a MS/Xbox/Mighty Scorpio Smear Campaign thread but I'll wait for MS's reveal and all that jazz thank you very much. 8TF Mighty Scorpio incoming. The Poo indeed. lol :P

It's pretty obvious that specs were compromised to get the price down. We are likely getting another Jaguar CPU and a GPU that requires the use of checkerboard rendering to hit 4K. I've questioned in the past how Microsoft was gonna get the price below $600, and now we know how. They are releasing a console that is slightly more powerful than the PS4 Pro. A bigger difference that the PS4 and Xbox One, but not what we thought we were getting when the console was labeled a "premium product."

Exactly. I can now see this being priced at $399.

uh oh lol

Oh, you mean speculation is fact. I totally forgot that facts are no longer required since Jan 20th. I apologize.

Alternative facts,

Get it right.

Meh. I'm fine with all this myself.

The previous regime didn't live on facts either. If you like you console, you can keep your console. It was an outright lie.

A PS fanboy making a thread to bash a console that hasn't even been officially revealed to the public yet. Xbox fanboys running defense on their favourite brand. And PC aficionados hopping in to remind everyone that they're the master race(which they are but that's for another topic). While the rest of us are having a good laugh about everything that's written here. All is good in the world then:)

The Lems Have Been Owned Bz M$ (TLHBOBM$) as is typical. Not only they have no exclusive games now their multiplats are going to be dumbed down on an overpriced midrange closed PC.

WTF are you talking about? Do you know what a regime is? And what out right lie are you referring to?

Actually, they were not compromised. They said they were releasing a 6TF machine. They are releasing a 6TF machine according to the white papers. Not seeing any compromise there.

Lems be like...

Right. Were people really expecting 8?

SP Approved... Post of the day and par for the course in SW. lol

My work here is done, then. Balance returned to the Force and all that. In System Wars, may the odds be ever in your favour.

Idiots were. And some were arguing that its "factually" going to be sporting Zen. This is why I am so against people passing of their speculations as facts. It leads to this mass misinformation and a battle against stupid.

Totally agreed!

@Shewgenja said:

@redalert539 said:

A PS fanboy making a thread to bash a console that hasn't even been officially revealed to the public yet. Xbox fanboys running defense on their favourite brand. And PC aficionados hopping in to remind everyone that they're the master race(which they are but that's for another topic). While the rest of us are having a good laugh about everything that's written here. All is good in the world then:)

My work here is done, then. Balance returned to the Force and all that. In System Wars, may the odds be ever in your favour.

Live long and prosper my friend:)

@Shewgenja said:

@redalert539 said:

A PS fanboy making a thread to bash a console that hasn't even been officially revealed to the public yet. Xbox fanboys running defense on their favourite brand. And PC aficionados hopping in to remind everyone that they're the master race(which they are but that's for another topic). While the rest of us are having a good laugh about everything that's written here. All is good in the world then:)

My work here is done, then. Balance returned to the Force and all that. In System Wars, may the odds be ever in your favour.

Congrats!

More speculations, I thought everyone agreed on ESRAM being dropped out of the picture already? high bandwidth gddr5 > esram+ddr3 on high resolution easily and no esram is not required for compatibility with xbox one games. That being said very disappointing if it's another Jaguar pos.

"But to clear, this is speculation based on what we now know about new Radeon features open to Microsoft. The whitepaper we've seen - dated to just after Scorpio's E3 reveal - only confirms no ESRAM, boosted L2 cache and support for memory compression technology. Beyond that, all we have to go on is Microsoft's stated 320GB/s bandwidth, eight CPU cores - plus a motherboard rendering strongly suggesting 12GB of GDDR5 memory. How the final spec will shape up remains to be seen, but from the whitepaper details to the Vega enhancements available to Microsoft, we should be a seeing a highly capable 4K contender."

WTF?

Why even write the article based on a white paper release after the initial reveal?