MS rushed into this gen. Lemmings pay for it.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

As a PS3 owner I want all the success for my PS3. I don't want that to be hindered by BS hype due to an early competitor's launch. And that's what has occurred. Throughout 2007 it was bad hype after bad hype for the PS3. Yes, a good portion due to its lack of titles through most of the muanch year. But a lot of it was just Sony-haterism. Like a Guitar hero dev talking about graphics. Yeah, he knows his stuff.

Eddie5vs1

As a Dreamcast owner, I wanted all the success for it that it could have, yet the hype for the PS2 helped slow its sales, and ended up being one of the straws that broke the Dreamcast's back.

But that does not mean I am bitter, or that I hold a grudge against Sony. There is plenty that Sega could have done, and there was plenty that Sony could have done this generation. Its business. Get over it.

Enjoy great games, and care less about what logo is on the box you stick the games in. I think you'd have a more well-rounded gaming experience.

Alright Spruce, knock it off with the whole "I'm going to use logic" crap on system wars. If you're not going to spout the usual fanboy drivel, then you need to leave. This is, after all, system wars. :)

Sorry. I'm watching Planet Earth on Blu-Ray, and David Attenborough's voice is driving me to think in a calm, logical manner. :D

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

As a PS3 owner I want all the success for my PS3. I don't want that to be hindered by BS hype due to an early competitor's launch. And that's what has occurred. Throughout 2007 it was bad hype after bad hype for the PS3. Yes, a good portion due to its lack of titles through most of the muanch year. But a lot of it was just Sony-haterism. Like a Guitar hero dev talking about graphics. Yeah, he knows his stuff.

SpruceCaboose

As a Dreamcast owner, I wanted all the success for it that it could have, yet the hype for the PS2 helped slow its sales, and ended up being one of the straws that broke the Dreamcast's back.

But that does not mean I am bitter, or that I hold a grudge against Sony. There is plenty that Sega could have done, and there was plenty that Sony could have done this generation. Its business. Get over it.

Enjoy great games, and care less about what logo is on the box you stick the games in. I think you'd have a more well-rounded gaming experience.

Where is the clapping smilie when you need it?

Good post.

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

As a PS3 owner I want all the success for my PS3. I don't want that to be hindered by BS hype due to an early competitor's launch. And that's what has occurred. Throughout 2007 it was bad hype after bad hype for the PS3. Yes, a good portion due to its lack of titles through most of the muanch year. But a lot of it was just Sony-haterism. Like a Guitar hero dev talking about graphics. Yeah, he knows his stuff.

SpruceCaboose

As a Dreamcast owner, I wanted all the success for it that it could have, yet the hype for the PS2 helped slow its sales, and ended up being one of the straws that broke the Dreamcast's back.

But that does not mean I am bitter, or that I hold a grudge against Sony. There is plenty that Sega could have done, and there was plenty that Sony could have done this generation. Its business. Get over it.

Enjoy great games, and care less about what logo is on the box you stick the games in. I think you'd have a more well-rounded gaming experience.

Knowing what you know now, that word of mouth creates hype, and hype can lead to the success or failure of a console, do you have any regrets? Do you wish you told more people about the Dreamcast? Do you wish more people were better informed about the available products so that they would have made the "better" choice?

I would assume so. And not that one person could change the whole face of the concoles business, but that one among others could.

That's what PS3 owners are running into now. That if you could only afford one console (like most) you had to choose one. And you obviously think that one is the "better" choice. So, seeing it fail due to BS hype makes you want to stop it. Makes you want to call out the BS as BS.

And I don't think the label or name on the box is just something to ignore. It obviously means something. To many, currently, 360 means RRoD. And to many, PS3 means no games.

I believe the "no games" argument on the PS3 is false. Was it true in March of 2007? Yes. True now, no. I also the "RRoD" argument is true. There is undeniable proof. And there have also been no proof that any fixes have worked. Granted, not enough valid time has passed to really make a determination.

With that said, the label on the box means a lot. PS3 means a slow start console with a ton of bang for its buck and a very bright future, all backed by a storied past. This is being said by many industry, unbiased persons. Not just fanboys.
And 360 means great games and a flood of hardware issues that can keep you from said games. It also means possible issues in the future due to past MS history and hardware misses that have started trickling in (no standard HDD, no high capacity disc media, no motion sensing).

It all means that as PS3's library grows the choice on which console to get gets more and more on PS3's side. Yes, I know, MS won't stop making games. But as time goes on, the exclusives will sway a few, not many. It will be the hardware that makes the difference. And that comes down to features and reliability. Edge, PS3.

[QUOTE="Eddie5vs1"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

As a PS3 owner I want all the success for my PS3. I don't want that to be hindered by BS hype due to an early competitor's launch. And that's what has occurred. Throughout 2007 it was bad hype after bad hype for the PS3. Yes, a good portion due to its lack of titles through most of the muanch year. But a lot of it was just Sony-haterism. Like a Guitar hero dev talking about graphics. Yeah, he knows his stuff.

SpruceCaboose

As a Dreamcast owner, I wanted all the success for it that it could have, yet the hype for the PS2 helped slow its sales, and ended up being one of the straws that broke the Dreamcast's back.

But that does not mean I am bitter, or that I hold a grudge against Sony. There is plenty that Sega could have done, and there was plenty that Sony could have done this generation. Its business. Get over it.

Enjoy great games, and care less about what logo is on the box you stick the games in. I think you'd have a more well-rounded gaming experience.

Alright Spruce, knock it off with the whole "I'm going to use logic" crap on system wars. If you're not going to spout the usual fanboy drivel, then you need to leave. This is, after all, system wars. :)

Sorry. I'm watching Planet Earth on Blu-Ray, and David Attenborough's voice is driving me to think in a calm, logical manner. :D

Well now that you know that watching Planet Earth on Blu Ray is a trigger to using logical thought, it is best that you stay away from SW whilst watching it. :)

I think that people here always forget one important thing when discussing these companies.

Microsoft, Nintendo, Sony, Apple, Dell, ....... etc. They are there for one reason, and one reason alone. They are there to make money. They are not in business to make friends. That is why problems are minimized or denied at first, until the issue cannot be ignored.

MS admitted the issue. They took a huge hit in fixing it, but they are working on it. I commend them for that step, just like I commend Sony for fixing some of the issues that they had (laptop batteries, the Fifth Element Blu-Ray disc issue, etc).

These companies are not "evil". They are out there to make money, and of course, some people are going to have sub-par experiences with them. But when you start believing that the companies are evil, or malicious, you are going a bit too far. Sometimes it helps to remember that as a company, they cannot please everyone all the time, but they do try to provide products and services to customers who want them.

Sometimes a bit more understanding is more helpful to everyone than an immediate crucifixion of the company that slighted you.

SpruceCaboose

MAn, why do you have to ruin all this fanboy ranting wiht your logic, damn you

I have to agree with the TC here. My first 360 got the RROD right in the middle of last years summer holiday and it took 6 weeks for the replacement to arrive. 6 weeks of boredom thanks to Microsofts utter stupidity.Floppy_Jim

This is the point that I just made on my last post.

Yes, it was only six weeks this dude missed out. But as the titles grow for PS3, a potential buyer might say, "Do get the PS3 and play the games without issue, or do I get a 360 and worry about a 6 weeks where my console will return home to be "fixed."

Also, in the article, it says MS may be running out of hardware to replace the faulty ones. If that happens, how fun will the wait be then?

[QUOTE="Eddie5vs1"]

Alright Spruce, knock it off with the whole "I'm going to use logic" crap on system wars. If you're not going to spout the usual fanboy drivel, then you need to leave. This is, after all, system wars. :)

SpruceCaboose

Sorry. I'm watching Planet Earth on Blu-Ray, and David Attenborough's voice is driving me to think in a calm, logical manner. :D

funny stuff. :lol:

TC takes things way too seriously. The 360 still plays the industries best (hardly arguable) games (on consoles, heel hermits). Your focus is all wrong, TC.musicalmac

If you read my posts, I don't argue the quality of 360 titles. Not at all. But I do believe that edge is a timed one. One that will disapate as the PS3 library grows. And, again, I know the MS library will grow to. The edge won't be there, though. It will only be fanboys of certain franchises that will make decisions that strongly based on library. The rest, the wide audeince, the ones who push sales numbers, will base the decision on the console as a whole.

Please! Someone stop the hours of game enjoyment i have been forced to suffer through!!!!FancyKetchup25

Its not those hours we are talking about. I have those on my PS3 as well. Deny it all you want.

Its the hours that are spent waiting while your 360 goes home for repair that's the topic here.

I just love how people seem to brush off Sony's last 2 gens of crappy hardware as minor. They even repeat the same excuses that lemmings are being bashed for, such as "It didn't happen to me therefore it isn't important"

Yes, the 360 is crap as far as the hardware goes, but really, that article really isn't saying anything that people haven't been saying since launch.

It's just another excuse to rehash a tired argument...I guess paying 1 billion dollars for a screwup isn't enough for some people I guess.

My 360 has made me happy.

Surprisingly good system.

[QUOTE="FancyKetchup25"]Please! Someone stop the hours of game enjoyment i have been forced to suffer through!!!!The_Crucible

Its not those hours we are talking about. I have those on my PS3 as well. Deny it all you want.

Its the hours that are spent waiting while your 360 goes home for repair that's the topic here.

I love my 360. Best console I've ever owned and Xbox Live is just awesome.

This thread fails

[QUOTE="FancyKetchup25"]Please! Someone stop the hours of game enjoyment i have been forced to suffer through!!!!The_Crucible

Its not those hours we are talking about. I have those on my PS3 as well. Deny it all you want.

Its the hours that are spent waiting while your 360 goes home for repair that's the topic here.

IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL. If you can't live without a gaming console for 3 weeks, you have no life dude. I just hung out with my friends more often and played GTA: SA on my old PS2.

I just love how people seem to brush off Sony's last 2 gens of crappy hardware as minor. They even repeat the same excuses that lemmings are being bashed for, such as "It didn't happen to me therefore it isn't important"

Yes, the 360 is crap as far as the hardware goes, but really, that article really isn't saying anything that people haven't been saying since launch.

It's just another excuse to rehash a tired argument...I guess paying 1 billion dollars for a screwup isn't enough for some people I guess.

heretrix

Not at all, homes. Issues happened with me on PS1 and PS2. Both, for me and many others, were DIY issues. Tipping a console on its side to play a game is annoying but nothing like sending it off for weeks and getting a diffeent one back. Only to have that one break. Buying a DVD lens cleaner to fix read errors on your PS2 was crap and totally annoying but it doesn't compare to sitting on the phone with MS, waiting for them to send you a box, and waititng even longer for them to fix it.

And whether MS has stepped up on the warranty or not, the issue remains. You still have to wait for it while it gets fixed. None of your steps are cut short. You still go through the same crap to get a working unit.

Did you happen to buy a 2000 KIA?

My 360 is at home right now, what are u talking about cow? if u have so much fun with ur ps3 why u'aren't playing it right now?
BovinesOnPaska

One of the funniest replies on SW, by far. No, not just you, Bovines.

When asking me why I am on a website instead of playing games, trying to make a point about how I don't play, you probably shouldn't be on the same website doing the same thing. Just a little something to take with you.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

I just love how people seem to brush off Sony's last 2 gens of crappy hardware as minor. They even repeat the same excuses that lemmings are being bashed for, such as "It didn't happen to me therefore it isn't important"

Yes, the 360 is crap as far as the hardware goes, but really, that article really isn't saying anything that people haven't been saying since launch.

It's just another excuse to rehash a tired argument...I guess paying 1 billion dollars for a screwup isn't enough for some people I guess.

The_Crucible

Not at all, homes. Issues happened with me on PS1 and PS2. Both, for me and many others, were DIY issues. Tipping a console on its side to play a game is annoying but nothing like sending it off for weeks and getting a diffeent one back. Only to have that one break. Buying a DVD lens cleaner to fix read errors on your PS2 was crap and totally annoying but it doesn't compare to sitting on the phone with MS, waiting for them to send you a box, and waititng even longer for them to fix it.

And whether MS has stepped up on the warranty or not, the issue remains. You still have to wait for it while it gets fixed. None of your steps are cut short. You still go through the same crap to get a working unit.

Did you happen to buy a 2000 KIA?

I didn't have to call MS. I did it online buddy. So fricken easy.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

As a PS3 owner I want all the success for my PS3. I don't want that to be hindered by BS hype due to an early competitor's launch. And that's what has occurred. Throughout 2007 it was bad hype after bad hype for the PS3. Yes, a good portion due to its lack of titles through most of the muanch year. But a lot of it was just Sony-haterism. Like a Guitar hero dev talking about graphics. Yeah, he knows his stuff.

The_Crucible

As a Dreamcast owner, I wanted all the success for it that it could have, yet the hype for the PS2 helped slow its sales, and ended up being one of the straws that broke the Dreamcast's back.

But that does not mean I am bitter, or that I hold a grudge against Sony. There is plenty that Sega could have done, and there was plenty that Sony could have done this generation. Its business. Get over it.

Enjoy great games, and care less about what logo is on the box you stick the games in. I think you'd have a more well-rounded gaming experience.

Knowing what you know now, that word of mouth creates hype, and hype can lead to the success or failure of a console, do you have any regrets? Do you wish you told more people about the Dreamcast? Do you wish more people were better informed about the available products so that they would have made the "better" choice?

I would assume so. And not that one person could change the whole face of the concoles business, but that one among others could.

That's what PS3 owners are running into now. That if you could only afford one console (like most) you had to choose one. And you obviously think that one is the "better" choice. So, seeing it fail due to BS hype makes you want to stop it. Makes you want to call out the BS as BS.

And I don't think the label or name on the box is just something to ignore. It obviously means something. To many, currently, 360 means RRoD. And to many, PS3 means no games.

I believe the "no games" argument on the PS3 is false. Was it true in March of 2007? Yes. True now, no. I also the "RRoD" argument is true. There is undeniable proof. And there have also been no proof that any fixes have worked. Granted, not enough valid time has passed to really make a determination.

With that said, the label on the box means a lot. PS3 means a slow start console with a ton of bang for its buck and a very bright future, all backed by a storied past. This is being said by many industry, unbiased persons. Not just fanboys.
And 360 means great games and a flood of hardware issues that can keep you from said games. It also means possible issues in the future due to past MS history and hardware misses that have started trickling in (no standard HDD, no high capacity disc media, no motion sensing).

It all means that as PS3's library grows the choice on which console to get gets more and more on PS3's side. Yes, I know, MS won't stop making games. But as time goes on, the exclusives will sway a few, not many. It will be the hardware that makes the difference. And that comes down to features and reliability. Edge, PS3.

[QUOTE="BovinesOnPaska"]

My 360 is at home right now, what are u talking about cow? if u have so much fun with ur ps3 why u'aren't playing it right now?
The_Crucible

One of the funniest replies on SW, by far. No, not just you, Bovines.

When asking me why I am on a website instead of playing games, trying to make a point about how I don't play, you probably shouldn't be on the same website doing the same thing. Just a little something to take with you.

your one of the funniest jokes ive ever seen, copying a thread from yesterday, your a joke and cant even come up with you're on ideas for one. you dont belong here so go away

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="BovinesOnPaska"]

My 360 is at home right now, what are u talking about cow? if u have so much fun with ur ps3 why u'aren't playing it right now?
SaintsRowSam

One of the funniest replies on SW, by far. No, not just you, Bovines.

When asking me why I am on a website instead of playing games, trying to make a point about how I don't play, you probably shouldn't be on the same website doing the same thing. Just a little something to take with you.

your one of the funniest jokes ive ever seen, copying a thread from yesterday, your a joke and cant even come up with you're on ideas for one. you dont belong here so go away

I don't copy threads, homes. And I'm not going anywhere.

This article came out late yesterday. I didn't see a thread amde on it when I was here last night. i looked again this morning, I didn't see one about this artcile. So, I created this thread.

[QUOTE="SaintsRowSam"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="BovinesOnPaska"]

My 360 is at home right now, what are u talking about cow? if u have so much fun with ur ps3 why u'aren't playing it right now?
The_Crucible

One of the funniest replies on SW, by far. No, not just you, Bovines.

When asking me why I am on a website instead of playing games, trying to make a point about how I don't play, you probably shouldn't be on the same website doing the same thing. Just a little something to take with you.

your one of the funniest jokes ive ever seen, copying a thread from yesterday, your a joke and cant even come up with you're on ideas for one. you dont belong here so go away

I don't copy threads, homes. And I'm not going anywhere.

This article came out late yesterday. I didn't see a thread amde on it when I was here last night. i looked again this morning, I didn't see one about this artcile. So, I created this thread.

hahahahahhahhaahhahha NO!, yesterday their was a thread saying " EXPLINATION OF 'THE RROD" it had over 100 messages on that thread, also i remember the thread started out like "a supported insider" look at your beggining ;) :lol:

[QUOTE="FancyKetchup25"]Please! Someone stop the hours of game enjoyment i have been forced to suffer through!!!!The_Crucible

Its not those hours we are talking about. I have those on my PS3 as well. Deny it all you want.

Its the hours that are spent waiting while your 360 goes home for repair that's the topic here.

Right, those dreadful hours... wait... my 360s never broken...

Knowing what you know now, that word of mouth creates hype, and hype can lead to the success or failure of a console, do you have any regrets? Do you wish you told more people about the Dreamcast? Do you wish more people were better informed about the available products so that they would have made the "better" choice?

I would assume so. And not that one person could change the whole face of the concoles business, but that one among others could.

The_Crucible

No. The Dreamcast made its own mis-cues and mistakes. I am not Sega's PR department. People played my DC, and many people liked it, but more people were swayed by the PS2 and what it was capable of. Toy Story visuals, anyone?

That's what PS3 owners are running into now. That if you could only afford one console (like most) you had to choose one. And you obviously think that one is the "better" choice. So, seeing it fail due to BS hype makes you want to stop it. Makes you want to call out the BS as BS.

The_Crucible

What you or I think is the "better" console is immaterial. Our opinions are relavent to ourselves alone, and the market as a whole will decide what it feels is the "better" console with sales. In this case, it appears that more people are currently finding the Wii to be the "best" system, regardless of how many people you tell about the PS3.

And I don't think the label or name on the box is just something to ignore. It obviously means something. To many, currently, 360 means RRoD. And to many, PS3 means no games.

The_Crucible

The names on the console are, again, meaningless. You are correct that there are perceptions, but the ones you listed are only perceptions of fanboys. When the general market hears the names, here is what they think:

Xbox: Halo

Playstation and Nintendo means game system. Its become the "Kleenex" term for game systems, and each is used about as much as the other now.

Only the most hard of gamers think of the RRoD or the PS3 having no games or the Wii only having shovelware. Most people don't pay attention to gaming news, or read forums, or visit gaming sites. Most buy the system that has the most games that look good sitting on the rack next to the system, or the system that is sold to the, via hype/ads/clerks/etc.

I believe the "no games" argument on the PS3 is false. Was it true in March of 2007? Yes. True now, no. I also the "RRoD" argument is true. There is undeniable proof. And there have also been no proof that any fixes have worked. Granted, not enough valid time has passed to really make a determination.

The_Crucible

The PS3 has games. Of course it does. But its library is dwarfed by the 360's library still at this moment. And yes, the RRoD is very much real, but for every case of it happening, there is a free fix. Yes, it means some downtime (In my case, each time was 1-2 weeks at most) but its free, and at least there is a fix in place.

Do I wish the RRoD was non-existent? Of course, but its real, and MS is doing a good job at taking the responsibility for it, IMO.

With that said, the label on the box means a lot. PS3 means a slow start console with a ton of bang for its buck and a very bright future, all backed by a storied past. This is being said by many industry, unbiased persons. Not just fanboys.
And 360 means great games and a flood of hardware issues that can keep you from said games. It also means possible issues in the future due to past MS history and hardware misses that have started trickling in (no standard HDD, no high capacity disc media, no motion sensing).

The_Crucible

And here is the fabled "future-proof" argument. No console is future-proof. Yes, the 360 could have used high-capacity discs, but at the time it came out, it would have been very rough, at best, to incorporate them into the system, and it would also have driven the cost of the system through the roof.

Should the 360 have had a standard HDD? IMO, yes. But they went the way they did for marketing reasons, and still, 2 + years into the 360's life, there is still little proof that high-capacity discs or a standard HDD was needed this generation. There are some things you can point to, such as Blue Dragon, but those are vastly in the minority compared to the other 100+ average to great titles that fit on a DVD-9 without the need for an HDD.

It all means that as PS3's library grows the choice on which console to get gets more and more on PS3's side. Yes, I know, MS won't stop making games. But as time goes on, the exclusives will sway a few, not many. It will be the hardware that makes the difference. And that comes down to features and reliability. Edge, PS3.

The_Crucible

Yes, the PS3's library will undoubtedly get better. And the PS3 has better overall features. However, the Wii is clearly showing that muscle and a great game library is not needed for sales at this stage.

And MS will not just sit still and let Sony lap it. Both consoles have stellar titles coming in 2008, and I am sure in 2009 as well.

Obviously, not everyone can get all the systems. But those who get 1 or 2 make choices based on what games they want to play more than what people tell them to get, and on that front, each system has something different to offer, and that is why I see this generation much more evenly split in terms of hardware sales by the end of the generation.

Each system offers something unique, and owning only one or two will certainly cut you off some great experiences. But like every generation before it, the market will choose its winner, and like every generation before it (not including the PS2 era), those winners tend to be surprises.

All the fighting ultimately makes this a potentially more rewarding generation, with each manufacturer trying for something different, and as a gamer, I am very grateful for that.

It seems the TC hasnt been gaming for long or selectively remembers history of consoles. This type of thing has happened previously with consoles, but wasnt as public. The PS1 had a huge batch of Faulty PS1's at launch(GPU's) and the PS2 had a huge disc read error problem and tray problems. Gran Turismo 2 shipped lots of copies of games that couldnt be %100 completed in the non patch age.

None of these issues ever stopped me from buying all three of these products even though the Number of DRE problems the PS2 had were probably astronomically higher then the RROD considering the Install base of the console. I like the fact that MS came out and admitted the problem and gave X360 users an extended 3 year warranty.

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="SaintsRowSam"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="BovinesOnPaska"]

My 360 is at home right now, what are u talking about cow? if u have so much fun with ur ps3 why u'aren't playing it right now?
SaintsRowSam

One of the funniest replies on SW, by far. No, not just you, Bovines.

When asking me why I am on a website instead of playing games, trying to make a point about how I don't play, you probably shouldn't be on the same website doing the same thing. Just a little something to take with you.

your one of the funniest jokes ive ever seen, copying a thread from yesterday, your a joke and cant even come up with you're on ideas for one. you dont belong here so go away

I don't copy threads, homes. And I'm not going anywhere.

This article came out late yesterday. I didn't see a thread amde on it when I was here last night. i looked again this morning, I didn't see one about this artcile. So, I created this thread.

hahahahahhahhaahhahha NO!, yesterday their was a thread saying " EXPLINATION OF 'THE RROD" it had over 100 messages on that thread, also i remember the thread started out like "a supported insider" look at your beggining ;) :lol:

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26167535

:p this guy made another one because that one i was talking about got locked.

It seems the TC hasnt been gaming for long or selectively remembers history of consoles. This type of thing has happened previously with consoles, but wasnt as public. The PS1 had a huge batch of Faulty PS1's at launch(GPU's) and the PS2 had a huge disc read error problem and tray problems. Gran Turismo 2 shipped lots of copies of games that couldnt be %100 completed in the non patch age.

None of these issues ever stopped me from buying all three of these products even though the Number of DRE problems the PS2 had were probably astronomically higher then the RROD considering the Install base of the console. I like the fact that MS came out and admitted the problem and gave X360 users an extended 3 year warranty.

7thSIN

If you even read my posts in this thread you wouldn't have felt the need to post here at all.

I am fully aware of prior console issues. I have also been gaming since the intro of NES.

People needs to move on, he's just rabid fanboy, i think sony pays him to spray his propaganda,or we have indeed a sony representative around us :shock:
BovinesOnPaska

Actually, he may be saying his opinion, but most are founded on a factual basis, and he is presenting them in a mostly respectful way, and he is indeed having discussions with some of us who are responding in kind.

However, you are badgering and insulting him, when you could just as easily act like an adult and have a real discussion, or just leave the thread.

You bad-mouthing him and name calling just ends up making you look foolish. At least be respectful to in turn get respect.

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26167535

:p this guy made another one because that one i was talking about got locked.

SaintsRowSam

Yes, they do refernce the same article. Yes, I missed that. Yes, that article has no been linked in two threads. But NO, they are not the same. I make different points on what this means to this gen.

Again, I had no knowledge of this other thread or that it was locked.

Not even sure why something like this would get locked. If Joystiq.com finds it valueable enough to post, I think it warrants some discussion.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

I just love how people seem to brush off Sony's last 2 gens of crappy hardware as minor. They even repeat the same excuses that lemmings are being bashed for, such as "It didn't happen to me therefore it isn't important"

Yes, the 360 is crap as far as the hardware goes, but really, that article really isn't saying anything that people haven't been saying since launch.

It's just another excuse to rehash a tired argument...I guess paying 1 billion dollars for a screwup isn't enough for some people I guess.

The_Crucible

Not at all, homes. Issues happened with me on PS1 and PS2. Both, for me and many others, were DIY issues. Tipping a console on its side to play a game is annoying but nothing like sending it off for weeks and getting a diffeent one back. Only to have that one break. Buying a DVD lens cleaner to fix read errors on your PS2 was crap and totally annoying but it doesn't compare to sitting on the phone with MS, waiting for them to send you a box, and waititng even longer for them to fix it.

And whether MS has stepped up on the warranty or not, the issue remains. You still have to wait for it while it gets fixed. None of your steps are cut short. You still go through the same crap to get a working unit.

Did you happen to buy a 2000 KIA?

My point is that at least MS is doing something instead of taking Sony's approach which was "Screw you, it's not our problem."And never admitting to anything.. In both Playstation cases no overt action was taken to fix the problems, they just made a different sku. The PSOne and the PSTwo or whatever the hell they were called.It doesn't matter why they did it, but the fact remains there is a 3 year warranty in place to handle the problem. That's good enough for me.

It's a tired argument and one that has been rehashed way too many times in too many places.Creating that article or this thread hasn't shed any new light on the problem at all.

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People needs to move on, he's just rabid fanboy, i think sony pays him to spray his propaganda,or we have indeed a sony representative around us :shock:
SpruceCaboose

Actually, he may be saying his opinion, but most are founded on a factual basis, and he is presenting them in a mostly respectful way, and he is indeed having discussions with some of us who are responding in kind.

However, you are badgering and insulting him, when you could just as easily act like an adult and have a real discussion, or just leave the thread.

You bad-mouthing him and name calling just ends up making you look foolish. At least be respectful to in turn get respect.

Thank you, sir.

This is usually where I get modded. I let these types of responses get to me and I stoop to that level. Thanks for not only keeping him in check but me as well.

And you hit it right on the head. Some of what i say is fact and some of it is opinion. And while I do come across as it all being fact, its only because I believe it so. But I also know others vary.

I love to debate. I love the discussion. i love how using this forum can actually force you to educate yourself about your console like you may never have before. Its the challenge of the discussion that gives back.

i have yet, after two solid years of extended gaming, to pay for it. Me and my xbox have had some good times. And those good times will keep on comin'MunkeySpunk69

If my points are valid or end up being so, you do and will end up paying for it. If what i say is true, that MS will hurry into the next gen as well, you pay for it with every MS console you buy.

If you don't think its true, great. You lost nothing.

But one of us will be right.

[QUOTE="MunkeySpunk69"]i have yet, after two solid years of extended gaming, to pay for it. Me and my xbox have had some good times. And those good times will keep on comin'The_Crucible

If my points are valid or end up being so, you do and will end up paying for it. If what i say is true, that MS will hurry into the next gen as well, you pay for it with every MS console you buy.

If you don't think its true, great. You lost nothing.

But one of us will be right.

true, i do feel like im playing russian roulette even if the gun is empty, because with all the RROD things goin around im shocked mine has stayed in the prestine condition that it is in. Perhaps just the worrying is me paying for it but i dont know

It's the price paid for getting our hands on the tech a year early. MS made good on it, so I don't mind it at all.lowe0

Decent point. Except for anyone trying to sell one. Or anyone trying to buy one now.

Funny thing, before MS extended the warranty, there were so many RRoD 360s on Ebay, my friend and I (we build PCs on occasion) were going to buy the cheap dead systems and fix them and sell them, since most RRoD issues are simple to fix once you take the step to open it and void the warranty.

I almost got paid for the rush into the gen! :D

Another lemming who believes losses just disappear. Yes, they can hide in last fiscal year. Its still there, homes.

The_Crucible

Didn't you get suspended for trolling this same subject after you were proven wrong time and time and time again?

Did you not learn anything from the experience?

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

Another lemming who believes losses just disappear. Yes, they can hide in last fiscal year. Its still there, homes.

Yellow_Rose

Didn't you get suspended for trolling this same subject after you were proven wrong time and time and time again?

Did you not learn anything from the experience?

How was what I said trolling? How is what I sadi worded differently than 90% of the replies in this forum? Cause I called him a lemming? Because I said he's like others who believe what MS tells them after they hide losses?

Come one, dude. i could just as easily say you asking me about trolling is trolling. That you are fishing for an angry response.

[QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

Another lemming who believes losses just disappear. Yes, they can hide in last fiscal year. Its still there, homes.

The_Crucible

Didn't you get suspended for trolling this same subject after you were proven wrong time and time and time again?

Did you not learn anything from the experience?

How was what I said trolling? How is what I sadi worded differently than 90% of the replies in this forum? Cause I called him a lemming? Because I said he's like others who believe what MS tells them after they hide losses?

Come one, dude. i could just as easily say you asking me about trolling is trolling. That you are fishing for an angry response.

No, you once again claiming that MS still owes "billions" when numerous people have proven that wrong.

That's what I'm referring to.

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

Another lemming who believes losses just disappear. Yes, they can hide in last fiscal year. Its still there, homes.

Yellow_Rose

Didn't you get suspended for trolling this same subject after you were proven wrong time and time and time again?

Did you not learn anything from the experience?

How was what I said trolling? How is what I sadi worded differently than 90% of the replies in this forum? Cause I called him a lemming? Because I said he's like others who believe what MS tells them after they hide losses?

Come one, dude. i could just as easily say you asking me about trolling is trolling. That you are fishing for an angry response.

No, you once again claiming that MS still owes "billions" when numerous people have proven that wrong.

That's what I'm referring to.

Do you work for Microsoft?

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

Another lemming who believes losses just disappear. Yes, they can hide in last fiscal year. Its still there, homes.

Yellow_Rose

Didn't you get suspended for trolling this same subject after you were proven wrong time and time and time again?

Did you not learn anything from the experience?

How was what I said trolling? How is what I sadi worded differently than 90% of the replies in this forum? Cause I called him a lemming? Because I said he's like others who believe what MS tells them after they hide losses?

Come one, dude. i could just as easily say you asking me about trolling is trolling. That you are fishing for an angry response.

No, you once again claiming that MS still owes "billions" when numerous people have proven that wrong.

That's what I'm referring to.

Or you once again claiming that a billion or more in losses, which MS did predict and eat, doesn't exist because another section of MS paid for it or it eventually gets passed on to consumers.

My point has never been that MS didn't swallow it. Its the question of where does it come out after its digested?

When i reference the billions its to futher the point of the exent the RRoD's have hurt MS. And also that it was merely a guess and not the final numbers on what the bill will be in total.

Furthermore, if you read my posts, I am talking about it being "paid" for in many ways. Not just the pocketbook.

Do you work for Microsoft?

SOedipus

No. Why do you ask?

Or you once again claiming that a billion or more in losses, which MS did predict and eat, doesn't exist because another section of MS paid for it or it eventually gets passed on to consumers.

My point has never been that MS didn't swallow it. Its the question of where does it come out after its digested?

When i reference the billions its to futher the point of the exent the RRoD's have hurt MS. And also that it was merely a guess and not the final numbers on what the bill will be in total.

Furthermore, if you read my posts, I am talking about it being "paid" for in many ways. Not just the pocketbook.

The_Crucible

Which pretty much tells me:

1) In all this time you still haven't looked up the term "charge-off" to find out what it means.

2) You still think MS is in debt to themselves, which is an oxymoron.

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Do you work for Microsoft?

Yellow_Rose

No. Why do you ask?

Umm out of all these sales threads your name kind of stands out. Don't you think you take this too serious? Unless your work deals with this sort of stuff.