MS rushed into this gen. Lemmings pay for it.

[QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"][QUOTE="SOedipus"]

Do you work for Microsoft?

SOedipus

No. Why do you ask?

Umm out of all these sales threads your name kind of stands out. Don't you think you take this too serious? Unless your work deals with this sort of stuff.

What I do does require me to have knowledge on how this stuff works.

I do take ignoring the rules of logic serious though, but not this forum ;)

[QUOTE="SOedipus"][QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"][QUOTE="SOedipus"]

Do you work for Microsoft?

Yellow_Rose

No. Why do you ask?

Umm out of all these sales threads your name kind of stands out. Don't you think you take this too serious? Unless your work deals with this sort of stuff.

What I do does require me to have knowledge on how this stuff works.

I do take ignoring the rules of logic serious though, but not this forum ;)

Yea, logic is overrated here :D

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

I think that people here always forget one important thing when discussing these companies.

Microsoft, Nintendo, Sony, Apple, Dell, ....... etc. They are there for one reason, and one reason alone. They are there to make money. They are not in business to make friends. That is why problems are minimized or denied at first, until the issue cannot be ignored.

MS admitted the issue. They took a huge hit in fixing it, but they are working on it. I commend them for that step, just like I commend Sony for fixing some of the issues that they had (laptop batteries, the Fifth Element Blu-Ray disc issue, etc).

These companies are not "evil". They are out there to make money, and of course, some people are going to have sub-par experiences with them. But when you start believing that the companies are evil, or malicious, you are going a bit too far. Sometimes it helps to remember that as a company, they cannot please everyone all the time, but they do try to provide products and services to customers who want them.

Sometimes a bit more understanding is more helpful to everyone than an immediate crucifixion of the company that slighted you.

The_Crucible

I don't think MS is "evil." I use XP, like millions of us.

My problem is that MS got into this gen early for a reason. And that was to gain as much of an advantage over the other two before they hit market. Smart? Yes. Benefitial to gaming? No.

As a PS3 owner I want all the success for my PS3. I don't want that to be hindered by BS hype due to an early competitor's launch. And that's what has occurred. Throughout 2007 it was bad hype after bad hype for the PS3. Yes, a good portion due to its lack of titles through most of the muanch year. But a lot of it was just Sony-haterism. Like a Guitar hero dev talking about graphics. Yeah, he knows his stuff.

Yes, MS has put out great titles. But what does that say about the 360? Nothing. It is evident that PS3 could handle any of the games you tout as "great." And I know lemmings enjoy those titles. They are great games. But again, this says nothing about MS other than they can leave a gen early and get into the next one early.

Are you really blaming Sonys PR BS and over-hyping on MS? Well at least you acknowledges its there....

I still play my 360 more then my PS3 and Wii. Sorry, but you failed to make me rethink anything. rolo107

You missed the whole point.

Do you think that will be the case this whole gen? That you will always play 360 more? I really doubt it with the titles coming this year and on.

And if my points are valid on MS skipping out early on this gen, you may not have much left to look forward to.

I don't blame them for trying to get a head start after the PS2's success, but oh well, probably a lesson for them.

Sony said next gen they're going to try and get PS4 out before MS's console, it'll be funny if they get a RRoD type problem. :lol:

Erebyssial

I find that hard to believe.

[QUOTE="BambooBanger"]

I'm paying for it with HOURS and HOURS of great gameplay! Oh noes!

The_Crucible

Right, and the billions set aside to pay for all of the repairs just came out of Gates' pocket, right?

Don't be so naive. If some schmuck goes into a clothing store and steals a bunch of clothes, the store takes a loss. Where do you think that loss gets paid for? Out of employee pockets? Maybe. Out of customer pockets? yes.

Don't get it twisted and think its anything else. You are paying for it.

Not to mention lemmings paid for Xbox by having the rug pulled from under them. Many, many gamers are paying this gen by dealing with the hardware issues. A dead 360 is a dead 360. And if MS starts pulling support from 360 to work on trhe next0gen, you pay for that too.

And don't act like owners of other console aren't playing games. i play at least four different PS3 games a month, more if you count PSN titles.

its alright if you cant afford a 360
im too busy enjoying mine to listen to fanboys =D

the only 'rushed piece of junk' i've seen this gen is the PS3.

might be more reliable than the 360, but who cares with the lack of games, poor PSN support, poor friends list / chat support, poor 3rd party support.

i think if anything Sony was the one caught with their pants down this gen.

I've been annoyed by the RROD as much as anyone, but I doubt Microsoft will do this again. They HATE having to pay for all of these console repairs and shipping, they HATE the three year warranty.-Xeno-

Microsoft could really care less. They never really made money on the original Xbox or 360. They know they are losing money on it. Microsoft makes up for the losses in other areas. They make billions a year. There is not a real incentive for them to make consoles that aren't faulty when they keep making billions as a company as a whole...

[QUOTE="BambooBanger"]

I'm paying for it with HOURS and HOURS of great gameplay! Oh noes!

The_Crucible

Right, and the billions set aside to pay for all of the repairs just came out of Gates' pocket, right?

Don't be so naive. If some schmuck goes into a clothing store and steals a bunch of clothes, the store takes a loss. Where do you think that loss gets paid for? Out of employee pockets? Maybe. Out of customer pockets? yes.

Don't get it twisted and think its anything else. You are paying for it.

Not to mention lemmings paid for Xbox by having the rug pulled from under them. Many, many gamers are paying this gen by dealing with the hardware issues. A dead 360 is a dead 360. And if MS starts pulling support from 360 to work on trhe next0gen, you pay for that too.

And don't act like owners of other console aren't playing games. i play at least four different PS3 games a month, more if you count PSN titles.

Ummmm....no.

Business 101 there lad. In a competitive market the price is determined by demand/supply. The cost to produce the goods is irrelevant. (which is why PS3 at $600 was a disaster).

The repair costs for RROD that MS is taking is a hit to the shareholder, not the customer.

MS has to price in relation to the competition and demand.

And you are wrong on your clothes store example. The same thing applies...the owner is taking the hit.

The only thing that would change the above is if ALL competitors are taking the same hit. If all 3 three suffered from RROD then all three would be in the same cost situation and all three would be slower to lower price. Same for clothing...to the extent that all stores experience shoplifting the result is that goods across the board will be pricier, but this doesn't have anything to do with one store, wherein the owner takes the hit.

Do you think that will be the case this whole gen? That you will always play 360 more? I really doubt it with the titles coming this year and on.

The_Crucible

Yes, I can quite confidently state that my 360 will be my most-played console this gen. What's coming this year that's so great? MGS? Don't make me laugh; Splinter Cell owns it. GTA? More content on 360. Killzone & Resistance? I'll play the single-player, but I want to play multiplayer against my friends, and my friends only have 360s.

The only game I see that I wouldn't get on 360 is Burnout Paradise.