MSFT did not lose 2 Bil...

Microsoft did not lose 2 billion dollars. It's gaming and entertainment division (which includes the newly released Zune and games for windows) did and it was primarily due to the extension of the great 3 year warranty that has now been extended and paying back those who paid to get their 36 fixed the past 1.5 years. Microsoftthe company as a whole actually increased profits7.3% or 3+billion dollars.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=a2SArvCwCPzE

Sony as a whole on the other hand has continued its downward spiral posting a630 million dollar loss, and with the new problems with more batteries causing fires will probably continue the slump.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=aTVZj2sgVtvk&refer=home

M$ losses should lessen once they start with the better chipsets and lower production costs. It is still possible to post a profit for M$ in '08.

Do you work for Microsoft?

Is Sony your competitor?

Why do you care about any of this or about the PS3's financial state, stop being a fanboy and go play games

R-Dot-Yung

no, no

and isn't the idea of system wars to "war" about the systems? Am I on the wrong board? I posted because there are sony fanboys saying M$ lost bill and it's simply not true. Yes I am a fanboy as is everyone else in system wars. Let's be realistic, if you are here and not in the system specific boards of GS than you too are a fanboy of some sorts. Can't play my 360 nor my wii right now because my son is playing NCAA 08 on the 360. what's your excuse?

Gee whiz, that warranty extension sure is great.

Let me give you some news. The warranty extension is bad for publicity, bad for Microsoft, and bad for consumers. It's extremely expensive, and, in retrospect, it would have never happened if the Xbox 360 had less than 10% failure rate.

Its part of Microsoft! It counts!Unforgiven2870

i agree.maybe they should close those deparments. i kid,i kid

how is it bad for consumers? even if the product has a high failure rate the concumer is covered 3 years from purchase. Extended warranties are always better for the consumer because they are covered longer.Jackasssiegel

The Playstation 3 has a failure rate less than 1%. That is best for consumers, who don't have to have their console repaired, and that is best for the manufacturer, who doesn't have to repair consoles and fix inherent manufacturing and engineering issues.

Gee whiz, that warranty extension sure is great.

Let me give you some news. The warranty extension is bad for publicity, bad for Microsoft, and bad for consumers. It's extremely expensive, and, in retrospect, it would have never happened if the Xbox 360 had less than 10% failure rate.

Redfingers

how is it bad for consumers? even if the product has a high failure rate the concumer is covered 3 years from purchase. Extended warranties are always better for the consumer because they are covered longer.Jackasssiegel

why would u buy somethimg when u know that there is a possibilitie that it might break.believe me u dont wanna go through that hassle.im on my fourth 360

Microsoft did not lose 2 billion dollars. It's gaming and entertainment division (which includes the newly released Zune and games for windows) did and it was primarily due to the extension of the great 3 year warranty that has now been extended and paying back those who paid to get their 36 fixed the past 1.5 years. Microsoftthe company as a whole actually increased profits7.3% or 3+billion dollars.

Jackasssiegel

so microsoft's gaming and entertainment division isn't part of microsoft?:shock:

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Microsoft did not lose 2 billion dollars. It's gaming and entertainment division (which includes the newly released Zune and games for windows) did and it was primarily due to the extension of the great 3 year warranty that has now been extended and paying back those who paid to get their 36 fixed the past 1.5 years. Microsoftthe company as a whole actually increased profits7.3% or 3+billion dollars.

CaseyWegner

so microsoft's gaming and entertainment division isn't part of microsoft?:shock:

casey u took away my lyndsay!!!!!!!

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="Jackasssiegel"]

Microsoft did not lose 2 billion dollars. It's gaming and entertainment division (which includes the newly released Zune and games for windows) did and it was primarily due to the extension of the great 3 year warranty that has now been extended and paying back those who paid to get their 36 fixed the past 1.5 years. Microsoftthe company as a whole actually increased profits7.3% or 3+billion dollars.

OldParr

so microsoft's gaming and entertainment division isn't part of microsoft?:shock:

casey u took away my lyndsay!!!!!!!

wha?

right it counts... and if it didn't count then M$ would post a 5 bill. net growth.Jackasssiegel

The only money they are making is off forcing Vista down everyone's throats, they get a lot of their money from school's and businesses that have bought copies of Vista for use.

[QUOTE="OldParr"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="Jackasssiegel"]

Microsoft did not lose 2 billion dollars. It's gaming and entertainment division (which includes the newly released Zune and games for windows) did and it was primarily due to the extension of the great 3 year warranty that has now been extended and paying back those who paid to get their 36 fixed the past 1.5 years. Microsoftthe company as a whole actually increased profits7.3% or 3+billion dollars.

CaseyWegner

so microsoft's gaming and entertainment division isn't part of microsoft?:shock:

casey u took away my lyndsay!!!!!!!

wha?

my sig casey...my sig

Microsoft did not lose 2 billion dollars. It's gaming and entertainment division (which includes the newly released Zune and games for windows) did and it was primarily due to the extension of the great 3 year warranty that has now been extended and paying back those who paid to get their 36 fixed the past 1.5 years. Microsoftthe company as a whole actually increased profits7.3% or 3+billion dollars.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=a2SArvCwCPzE

Sony as a whole on the other hand has continued its downward spiral posting a630 million dollar loss, and with the new problems with more batteries causing fires will probably continue the slump.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=aTVZj2sgVtvk&refer=home

M$ losses should lessen once they start with the better chipsets and lower production costs. It is still possible to post a profit for M$ in '08.

Jackasssiegel

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Microsoft did not lose 2 billion dollars. It's gaming and entertainment division (which includes the newly released Zune and games for windows) did and it was primarily due to the extension of the great 3 year warranty that has now been extended and paying back those who paid to get their 36 fixed the past 1.5 years. Microsoftthe company as a whole actually increased profits7.3% or 3+billion dollars.

CaseyWegner

so microsoft's gaming and entertainment division isn't part of microsoft?:shock:

everything you buy has the possibility of breaking. Some things have a higher chance admittedly and hopefully those things get fixed in manufacturing. I personally bought my system before the problems started being highly publicized and so far no problems. Maybe I'm lucky, but it's nice to know I am covered if something happens.

As far as the rate of defects its all speculation. the only companies that have those rates are MS and Sony and anyone other than maybe UPS/FEDEX couldn't even guess. I remember having problems with my ps2 only i wasn't covered under the warranty. Not that I'm saying the PS2 was bad I just happened to get one of those problemed ones.

my sig casey...my sig

OldParr

wasn't me.

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my sig casey...my sig

CaseyWegner

wasn't me.

@CaseyWegner

Yes its a division of M$ but the company as a whole did not post a loss like it is being posted in other topics. My point being that one division canpost a loss and the company can still make a profit. showing M$'s strenght in the market where as Sony has continued to post overall losses across the board.

Yeah it's gaming division did.....so what is your point. Last year it lost of a billion and this year again it lost over a billion. Even without this warranty fiasco it would have been close to 700-800 million dollar lose.

Everyone was saying that it was becoming profitable lol. I bet it still would be in the red next year without this warranty thing.....the sales have slowed to a crawl.

How much is MS willing to lose. They've been in the red for 7 years now right? At what point does it become not worth it. At least PS2/PS1 was successful so they can have a failure here or there. MS......I just think they are cursed in the gaming business lol.

Yeah duh. No one thought otherwise. Xbox has been a billion dollar+ a year loss for MS for the last 6 years. 360 has already failed to take the market. There's really no reason MS will keep going after they sell their holiday games.

Sony on the other hand purposefully lost 2 billion to get the PS3 out and the rest of the company is still profitable. They're whole plan is to lose money to give us the best hardware with the most features and reap the benifits by providing us with good software to buy for it. How could you essintially give us Blu-ray with $200 losses? That might help developers and give me the option to buy HD movies at no extra cost to me!>?!??!?! Those Sony bastards how could they.

actually the gaming division losing 2 billion is worse. Makes it more likely to be scrappedGunSmith1_basic

It's not just the games division it includes GFW, Zune (which they spent a lot on advertising for) and a few other products. So they would have to single out exactly where the losses are comming from. Though I doubt M$ is scrapping anything in the near future.

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]actually the gaming division losing 2 billion is worse. Makes it more likely to be scrappedJackasssiegel

It's not just the games division it includes GFW, Zune (which they spent a lot on advertising for) and a few other products. So they would have to single out exactly where the losses are comming from. Though I doubt M$ is scrapping anything in the near future.