My god...a 8.5 for MGS1?

This proves Gamespot can't be taken seriously...yes i know this is REALLY old, but i totally forgot about it. Whats even worse is the reasoning towards that score...being the cutsenes were to long and that Hideo should be making movies..WTF? and they totally missed the whole top notch story/characters/stealth gameplay WHICH IS WHAT REALLY MATTERS and just about all the little things that sets MGS apart from other games.

But they still continue it, MP3 (8.5 ), Zelda TP (8.5), Lair (4.5 is just too low) and then go even further by giving such a horrible shooter PDZ a 9.0?

How can anyone use gamespot as ownage? Who cares if this is GS forums its just mind boggling.

Dissagree with me, good for you..have a cookie.

Yes, GS's reviews have been pretty poor. Part of the problem is GS was a PC SITE. PC Reviewers playing console games do not make for great reviews. They also have a broken system, but it's gotten better over the years. Still, it comes down to just one reviewers choice, and ultimately, it kind of stinks. What can you do?

EGM and GI have a better balance I think.

I generally think GS reviewers are pretty reliable.

I even agree with Greg's reasons for flopping MGS3, though I personally think the virtues of that game outweigh its defects.

But Jeff's review of the original MGS was simply an atrocity. He stated that once you knew how to do everything in the game, you can run through it in 3 hours.

Who judges a game by how long a speed run takes? :|

In order to complete the game in 3 hours, you'd have to skip every cutscene and know how to get through each area and defeat each boss by heart. Otherwise, it's not possible.

I've played MGS 1 many times, its a short game with WAY too many cutscenes. An 8.5 is quite appropriate, and I also think there are way too many cutscenes in the most popular Sony games. FF and MGS are almost completely composed of cutscenes XD MGS is still fun, don't get me wrong, but it could be much better.flclempire

Okay. :roll:

I guess all those Sony devs should go jump off a bridge somewhere and the rest of the devs you like make all the games in the world.

I generally think GS reviewers are pretty reliable.

I even agree with Greg's reasons for flopping MGS3, though I personally think the virtues of that game outweigh its defects.

But Jeff's review of the original MGS was simply an atrocity. He stated that once you knew how to do everything in the game, you can run through it in 3 hours.

Who judges a game by how long a speed run takes? :|

In order to complete the game in 3 hours, you'd have to skip every cutscene and know how to get through each area and defeat each boss by heart. Otherwise, it's not possible.

fuzzysquash

I memorized Zelda, Contra, Megaman, Mario, Metroid, A boy and his Blob, Final Fantasy, RE4, (Plenty more)and the quickest ways to beat StreetFighter. I guess those should be considered 8.5's or lower too judging from my speed runs.

Kojima just doesn't measure to some people.

I quit trusting their reviews a LONG time ago.

IGN and GT are my main sources - flawed, yes, but I agree with them.

I love cut scenes.

My experience with games are much better when the game has large number of cut scenes (like Final Fantasy series, MGS series, Xenosaga series, etc) than games with no cut scenes (Oblivion, Half Life 2, etc)

It enhances the gaming experience. The story gives so much more emotions and expression to the point where it makes me care that I finish this mission or go through this dungeon etc.

I wouldn't change a thing in MGS. If you took out the cut scenes, the plot would've been more shallow and it wouldn't have meant much to hear Ocelot making that phone call at the end of the game.

Obviously, Jeff was too focused with the idea that game has to be like game instead of trying to enjoy the experience Hideo Kojima have created. Is it wrong for game developers to try to make movie like game? I say no. It is a good change and makes great variety.

I hope he changed his vision over the course of the years.

[QUOTE="flclempire"]I've played MGS 1 many times, its a short game with WAY too many cutscenes. An 8.5 is quite appropriate, and I also think there are way too many cutscenes in the most popular Sony games. FF and MGS are almost completely composed of cutscenes XD MGS is still fun, don't get me wrong, but it could be much better.SolidTy

Okay. :roll:

I guess all those Sony devs should go jump off a bridge somewhere and the rest of the devs you like make all the games in the world.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="flclempire"]I've played MGS 1 many times, its a short game with WAY too many cutscenes. An 8.5 is quite appropriate, and I also think there are way too many cutscenes in the most popular Sony games. FF and MGS are almost completely composed of cutscenes XD MGS is still fun, don't get me wrong, but it could be much better.flclempire

Okay. :roll:

I guess all those Sony devs should go jump off a bridge somewhere and the rest of the devs you like make all the games in the world.

WOW.

Only in System Wars. Someone making fun of another persons spelling when... Ah, never mind.

I love cut scenes.

My experience with games are much better when the game has large number of cut scenes (like Final Fantasy series, MGS series, Xenosaga series, etc) than games with no cut scenes (Oblivion, Half Life 2, etc)

It enhances the gaming experience. The story gives so much more emotions and expression to the point where it makes me care that I finish this mission or go through this dungeon etc.

I wouldn't change a thing in MGS. If you took out the cut scenes, the plot would've been more shallow and it wouldn't have meant much to hear Ocelot making that phone call at the end of the game.

Obviously, Jeff was too focused with the idea that game has to be like game instead of trying to enjoy the experience Hideo Kojima have created. Is it wrong for game developers to try to make movie like game? I say no. It is a good change and makes great variety.

I hope he changed his vision over the course of the years.

TriangleHard

[QUOTE="flclempire"][QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="flclempire"]I've played MGS 1 many times, its a short game with WAY too many cutscenes. An 8.5 is quite appropriate, and I also think there are way too many cutscenes in the most popular Sony games. FF and MGS are almost completely composed of cutscenes XD MGS is still fun, don't get me wrong, but it could be much better.DarthLukeboy

Okay. :roll:

I guess all those Sony devs should go jump off a bridge somewhere and the rest of the devs you like make all the games in the world.

WOW.

Only in System Wars. Someone making fun of someone's spelling when... Ah, never mind.

EDIT: Also I wasn't making fun of his spelling, I was commenting on how offtopic his reply was to my post, its so off that it seems to be random.

I like most GS reviews. I find myself agreeing with most of the points in the review, especially Jeff's reviews.

As for MGS1, I think the score was a little too harsh, but most of the review's points about the game were very true.

I generally think GS reviewers are pretty reliable.

I even agree with Greg's reasons for flopping MGS3, though I personally think the virtues of that game outweigh its defects.

But Jeff's review of the original MGS was simply an atrocity. He stated that once you knew how to do everything in the game, you can run through it in 3 hours.

Who judges a game by how long a speed run takes? :|

In order to complete the game in 3 hours, you'd have to skip every cutscene and know how to get through each area and defeat each boss by heart. Otherwise, it's not possible.

fuzzysquash

Personally I think Greg. K was best reviewer. He was very analytical and really did break down the game's fine points and flaws well and understood what the game was trying to do and how successful it was at doing so, and most of the time he was very objective.

Jeff, I often think he goes little off like Tony Hawk Pro Skater 3. I think his subjective view gets in the way too much.

You're lucky Jeff was the one who reviewed it... because I would give MGS an even lower score.Forza_2

Lol, were you that bad at the game...geez.

What was your alert count...20,000?

[QUOTE="TriangleHard"]

I love cut scenes.

My experience with games are much better when the game has large number of cut scenes (like Final Fantasy series, MGS series, Xenosaga series, etc) than games with no cut scenes (Oblivion, Half Life 2, etc)

It enhances the gaming experience. The story gives so much more emotions and expression to the point where it makes me care that I finish this mission or go through this dungeon etc.

I wouldn't change a thing in MGS. If you took out the cut scenes, the plot would've been more shallow and it wouldn't have meant much to hear Ocelot making that phone call at the end of the game.

Obviously, Jeff was too focused with the idea that game has to be like game instead of trying to enjoy the experience Hideo Kojima have created. Is it wrong for game developers to try to make movie like game? I say no. It is a good change and makes great variety.

I hope he changed his vision over the course of the years.

flclempire

Because movies cannot reproduce experience like games can, and vice versa.

Lol, were you that bad at the game...geez.

What was your alert count...20,000?

-Maddog-

Hahahah...

You're not funny.

MGS1 was probably tough to review. Keep in mind, that game set the standard and there weren't many games you could compare it to. getyeryayasout

According to GS :
Standard Setting? Innovative? Great Story? Good Voice Acting? Short Speed Runs? Hard To Compare it?

8.5.

Thank you come again.

Sounds fair enough to me.

Its a fairly fun game, but MGS fanboys need to understand that the cutscenes and story are plain embaressing to anyone over the age of 12.

Sounds fair enough to me.

Its a fairly fun game, but MGS fanboys need to understand that the cutscenes and story are plain embaressing to anyone over the age of 12.

mijkil

are you 13?

Sounds fair enough to me.

Its a fairly fun game, but MGS fanboys need to understand that the cutscenes and story are plain embaressing to anyone over the age of 12.

mijkil

Wasn't embarrassing at all. :)

Loved every minute of it.

[QUOTE="mijkil"]

Sounds fair enough to me.

Its a fairly fun game, but MGS fanboys need to understand that the cutscenes and story are plain embaressing to anyone over the age of 12.

TriangleHard

are you 13?

No i simply have an education.

And taste.

[QUOTE="TriangleHard"][QUOTE="mijkil"]

Sounds fair enough to me.

Its a fairly fun game, but MGS fanboys need to understand that the cutscenes and story are plain embaressing to anyone over the age of 12.

mijkil

are you 13?

No i simply have an education.

And taste.

Or you are simply narrow minded.

They overrated MGS1?

[QUOTE="mijkil"][QUOTE="TriangleHard"][QUOTE="mijkil"]

Sounds fair enough to me.

Its a fairly fun game, but MGS fanboys need to understand that the cutscenes and story are plain embaressing to anyone over the age of 12.

TriangleHard

are you 13?

No i simply have an education.

And taste.

Or you are simply narrow minded.

True, i am very unforgiving when it comes to poorly written trash masquerading as "genius".

[QUOTE="TriangleHard"][QUOTE="mijkil"][QUOTE="TriangleHard"][QUOTE="mijkil"]

Sounds fair enough to me.

Its a fairly fun game, but MGS fanboys need to understand that the cutscenes and story are plain embaressing to anyone over the age of 12.

mijkil

are you 13?

No i simply have an education.

And taste.

Or you are simply narrow minded.

True, i am very unforgiving when it comes to poorly written trash masquerading as "genius".

I'm guesing you aren't very fond of cult cl@ssic movies like Videodrome and Rocky Horror Picture Show.

OMG its happening again! Practise your spelling in MS Word or something! Read my post that he responded too, his reply was completely irrelivant.

EDIT: Also I wasn't making fun of his spelling, I was commenting on how offtopic his reply was to my post, its so off that it seems to be random.

flclempire

Sorry to be so forward about this, but you spelled "Practise" wrong, it's "Practice". Also got "irrelivant" wrong there, too. There's a great program called MS Word if you didn't know...

[QUOTE="mijkil"][QUOTE="TriangleHard"][QUOTE="mijkil"][QUOTE="TriangleHard"][QUOTE="mijkil"]

Sounds fair enough to me.

Its a fairly fun game, but MGS fanboys need to understand that the cutscenes and story are plain embaressing to anyone over the age of 12.

TriangleHard

are you 13?

No i simply have an education.

And taste.

Or you are simply narrow minded.

True, i am very unforgiving when it comes to poorly written trash masquerading as "genius".

I'm guesing you aren't very fond of cult cl@ssic movies like Videodrome and Rocky Horror Picture Show.

LOLZ!

Yes i would definalty compare MGS with the Rocky Horror Picture Show

Its camp, trashy, nonsense, but at least it doesnt pretend to be anything else.

LOLZ!

Yes i would definalty compare MGS with the Rocky Horror Picture Show

Its camp, trashy, nonsense, but at least it doesnt pretend to be anything else.

mijkil

Ok that answers many question.

[QUOTE="TriangleHard"][QUOTE="mijkil"][QUOTE="TriangleHard"][QUOTE="mijkil"][QUOTE="TriangleHard"][QUOTE="mijkil"]

Sounds fair enough to me.

Its a fairly fun game, but MGS fanboys need to understand that the cutscenes and story are plain embaressing to anyone over the age of 12.

mijkil

are you 13?

No i simply have an education.

And taste.

Or you are simply narrow minded.

True, i am very unforgiving when it comes to poorly written trash masquerading as "genius".

I'm guesing you aren't very fond of cult cl@ssic movies like Videodrome and Rocky Horror Picture Show.

LOLZ!

Yes i would definalty compare MGS with the Rocky Horror Picture Show

Its camp, trashy, nonsense, but at least it doesnt pretend to be anything else.

I cant even believe you are calling MGS cutscenes trash. MGS has more underlying themes than anygame i can think of, except maybe final fantasy games. Please, sumone tell me a game with as many prevalent themes as MGS. And the cutscenes are some of the best staged. whats your idea of a good cutscene? Its got good voice acting, direction, action and emotion. Heck, MGS puts alot of movies to shame. To be quite honest, I would like you to tell me a game which you think surpassed MGS in cutscenes and themes because i just cant seem to find one (except maybe a final fantasy game)

[QUOTE="TriangleHard"][QUOTE="mijkil"]

Sounds fair enough to me.

Its a fairly fun game, but MGS fanboys need to understand that the cutscenes and story are plain embaressing to anyone over the age of 12.

mijkil

are you 13?

No i simply have an education.

And taste.

And no real sense of what fun is.

I'm so sorry that I happen to play a variety of games on either end of the spectrum, but MGS is a great game, especially for its time.

Im sorry, but your inclusion of FF as some kind of high watermark of story telling only reiiterates my personal dogma.

99% of the stories in video game are absolute trash that wouldnt last 1 second in any other medium. (except anime, lolz)

Im sorry, but your inclusion of FF as some kind of high watermark of story telling only reiiterates my personal dogma.

99% of the stories in video game are absolute trash that wouldnt last 1 second in any other medium. (except anime, lolz)

mijkil

You talk as if movies and TV shows are full of great stories lol.

thats the problem when you review story driven games

some people who dont understand good stories will give them bad scores

like xenosaga for instance brilliant story with average gameplay

yet the lame reviewers cant seem to factor in the brilliant story...

[QUOTE="mijkil"][QUOTE="TriangleHard"][QUOTE="mijkil"]

Sounds fair enough to me.

Its a fairly fun game, but MGS fanboys need to understand that the cutscenes and story are plain embaressing to anyone over the age of 12.

poo_monkey

are you 13?

No i simply have an education.

And taste.

And no real sense of what fun is.

I'm so sorry that I happen to play a variety of games on either end of the spectrum, but MGS is a great game, especially for its time.

thats the problem when you review story driven games

some people who dont understand good stories will give them bad scores

like xenosaga for instance brilliant story with average gameplay

yet the lame reviewers cant seem to factor in the brilliant story...

tidus222

[QUOTE="tidus222"]

thats the problem when you review story driven games

some people who dont understand good stories will give them bad scores

like xenosaga for instance brilliant story with average gameplay

yet the lame reviewers cant seem to factor in the brilliant story...

flclempire

are u serious? o_O'

[QUOTE="flclempire"][QUOTE="tidus222"]

thats the problem when you review story driven games

some people who dont understand good stories will give them bad scores

like xenosaga for instance brilliant story with average gameplay

yet the lame reviewers cant seem to factor in the brilliant story...

Viviath

are u serious? o_O'

[QUOTE="poo_monkey"][QUOTE="mijkil"][QUOTE="TriangleHard"][QUOTE="mijkil"]

Sounds fair enough to me.

Its a fairly fun game, but MGS fanboys need to understand that the cutscenes and story are plain embaressing to anyone over the age of 12.

flclempire

are you 13?

No i simply have an education.

And taste.

And no real sense of what fun is.

I'm so sorry that I happen to play a variety of games on either end of the spectrum, but MGS is a great game, especially for its time.

About the spelling; Then you know you wouldn't have to bring up the subject of spelling at all in a post that's not exactly credible for its spelling either, no matter what you're really trying to get at, understand? ;)

[QUOTE="Viviath"][QUOTE="flclempire"][QUOTE="tidus222"]

thats the problem when you review story driven games

some people who dont understand good stories will give them bad scores

like xenosaga for instance brilliant story with average gameplay

yet the lame reviewers cant seem to factor in the brilliant story...

flclempire

are u serious? o_O'

You can call MGS story stupid, you can call it worthless, call it trash, heck you can even go as far as being a homophobe and call it gay but the one thing you can not call MGS is generic. Ever since MGS1, no one has been able to predict where this games story was going. Think about MGS4. Whats going to happen? All we know is that snake is possibly going to die other than that, nothing. Why are all the major MGS characters back in this itteration? whats EVE gonna do? is Meryl good or bad? what's liquid Ocelot up to? How will it end? Will the S3 plan be successful? Where is Olga's baby? MGS is the video game equivalent of LOST except it answers questions every once in a while.

[QUOTE="flclempire"][QUOTE="poo_monkey"][QUOTE="mijkil"][QUOTE="TriangleHard"][QUOTE="mijkil"]

Sounds fair enough to me.

Its a fairly fun game, but MGS fanboys need to understand that the cutscenes and story are plain embaressing to anyone over the age of 12.

poo_monkey

are you 13?

No i simply have an education.

And taste.

And no real sense of what fun is.

I'm so sorry that I happen to play a variety of games on either end of the spectrum, but MGS is a great game, especially for its time.

About the spelling; Then you know you wouldn't have to bring up the subject of spelling at all in a post that's not exactly credible for its spelling either, no matter what you're really trying to get at, understand? ;)