My thoughts on extreme graphics

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#1 Supernova_86
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We all know that good graphics is important to many people, but when Nintendo claims that graphics in games have reached ther saturation point, that made me start to think a bit. When I saw Gears of War (along with other games) on a HDTV, the graphics were almost life-like. If this is the case, how will we ever look at the Xbox 360 and PS3 in 10 years time and call the graphics "crap" like we do with the PS1? The human eye has its limitations, for example we supposedly cannot tell the difference between 90 frames per second and anything beyond that. So if the PS4 had capabilities of displaying 120 frames per second, that will not matter at all for us.

Most of us will NEVER look back at the PS3 or Xbox 360 in 10 yeas time and call the graphics "poor" like we did with the PS1 and N64, etc. If a console is capable of producing graphics powerful enough to display a characters face along with their facial expressions, that is all that matters to many people. The PS1 an N64 had poor graphics, and many character's faces were blurry or under-textured, so the graphics were not enough, unlike the PS2 in which you can see a character's face more clearly.

Don't get me wrong, I love good graphics. I am one of the people screaming for a Final Fantasy 7 remake on PS3 for the good graphics. It is just that graphics do not judge a consoles success as they used to, and the Wii and DS are proof of this.

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#2 arabi_89
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Please take off your nintendo glasses. Its affecting you!!!

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#3 pundog
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There should be an age limit on SW. Everyone says that exact same thing about "graphics saturation" and limits and the like every generation (especially with the 2D to 3D jump). Long story short, you're wrong.
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Hardly. You give modern graphics far too much credit - Gears of War looks like plastic toys, it doesn't even compete with CGI movies that are *supposed* to look like cartoons. Even the mighty Crysis only has lifelike *plants* - the ground textures, people, et cetara are obviously not real - even the HD screenshots, I would not mistake for real life. It's only when we have super low resolution photos compared to Crysis that we go "oh yeah, I can kind of see it".

Technology isn't there, in ten years we're going to look back at those graphics in the same way we look back at SNES graphics now.
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#5 Supernova_86
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Please take off your nintendo glasses. Its effecting you!!!arabi_89

LOL. Actually I am more of a Sony fan than I am a Nintendo fan. I used to love the NES and SNES, but moved onto the PS1 and PS2. I still can't decide between 360, PS3 and Wii. Nintendo glasses, lol. :)

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#6 dubvisions
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There is still a ton to improve on.  Most games have animations that still need some fine-tuning.  And enviroments are just starting to get real.

No, there won;t be as big of a difference between this gen and next when compared to PS1 to PS2 or PS2/Xbox to PS3/360.  But there sure will be a noticable difference.

Have you ever bought a sequel to a game and played it thinking, "this isn;t much different from the last one."  Then you put in the last one and you can really see the difference?  Happens all of the time.

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Nah I think we will look back on Crysis graphics and go "they are pretty horrible" one day. It's just the way the computer world is.
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#8 elektrixxx
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We all know that good graphics is important to many people, but when Nintendo claims that graphics in games have reached ther saturation point, that made me start to think a bit. When I saw Gears of War (along with other games) on a HDTV, the graphics were almost life-like.

Supernova_86

Yeah, but that has being said all throughout the history of gaming. Perfect simulation of physics, human emotions and details is a never-ending goal.

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#9 Supernova_86
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There should be an age limit on SW. Everyone says that exact same thing about "graphics saturation" and limits and the like every generation (especially with the 2D to 3D jump). Long story short, you're wrong.pundog

Take a look at some Crysis screenshots and TELL ME the graphics do not look life-like. I am not sure if Crysis is 100%  cofirmed for 360/PS3, but you get the point. Will you EVER look at Crysis in 20 years and call the graphics "bad"? I thought not.

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[QUOTE="pundog"]There should be an age limit on SW. Everyone says that exact same thing about "graphics saturation" and limits and the like every generation (especially with the 2D to 3D jump). Long story short, you're wrong.Supernova_86

Take a look at some Crysis screenshots and TELL ME the graphics do not look life-like. I am not sure if Crysis is 100%  cofirmed for 360/PS3, but you get the point. Will you EVER look at Crysis in 20 years and call the graphics "bad"? I thought not.

It looks good but nowhere near lifelike. Textures, animation and lighting (so pretty much everything) isn't anywhere close to realistic. Crysis looks like medium quality CGI, great but to say it is lifelike is stupid.
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#11 Pelicans
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Gears of war has good graphics but they need more fluid animations in games they are putting in the market.
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#12 Pelicans
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they need more animations.
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[QUOTE="arabi_89"]Please take off your nintendo glasses. Its effecting you!!!Supernova_86

LOL. Actually I am more of a Sony fan than I am a Nintendo fan. I used to love the NES and SNES, but moved onto the PS1 and PS2. I still can't decide between 360, PS3 and Wii. Nintendo glasses, lol. :)

you now that graphics is a feature that makes the game better overall. I mean a really good game should have Awesome gameplay very good story good graphics and sound if all of these are met then the game would be awesome! Graphics are the most important part of this generation! and anyone who will say otherwise is just a blind sheep. a game with great graphics doesnt mean it wont have a good story or great gameplay. 

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#14 RichieRich555
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So if the PS4 had capabilities of displaying 120 frames per second, that will not matter at all for us.Supernova_86
OMG. The human eye does not see in FPS... And 120 fps does make a differnce in PC games you can uncapp your fps and 120 feels EXTREMELY smooth. And you can see the differnce trust me. Since my computer is bad I capp my FPS at 43, and when i uncapp the fps it hits about 90 and I can deffintally feel and see a differnce.
 

 EDIT: And I agree with this guy.

Hardly. You give modern graphics far too much credit - Gears of War looks like plastic toys, it doesn't even compete with CGI movies that are *supposed* to look like cartoons. Even the mighty Crysis only has lifelike *plants* - the ground textures, people, et cetara are obviously not real - even the HD screenshots, I would not mistake for real life. It's only when we have super low resolution photos compared to Crysis that we go "oh yeah, I can kind of see it".

Technology isn't there, in ten years we're going to look back at those graphics in the same way we look back at SNES graphics now.
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#15 danneswegman
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graphics can still improve in many ways
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this reminds me of Harddrive discussions ive had with my friends in years passed.  "WOAH! a 1 Gig Harddrive, how would anyone ever fill that thing", then 20 Gigs..... "HOLY CRAPPOLA, no one will ever need 20 GIGS, THATS CRAZY!!!!!!!" and so on and so on.....
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#17 Supernova_86
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this reminds me of Harddrive discussions ive had with my friends in years passed.  "WOAH! a 1 Gig Harddrive, how would anyone ever fill that thing", then 20 Gigs..... "HOLY CRAPPOLA, no one will ever need 20 GIGS, THATS CRAZY!!!!!!!" and so on and so on.....Zandeus

Theres a difference between storage space and graphics. And speaking of storage space, don't X360 fans say Blu-ray is not needed?