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#1 TerroRizing
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This myth needs debunked, JRPGs not named Final Fantasy dont sell well outside japan. For example Chrono Trigger has sold more than 2.36 million copies in Japan and 290,000 abroad, think im wrong? Name one JRPG that has sold well in north america thats not a final fantasy game. Also, stop saying that 360 fans buy less JRPGs than sony fans (refering to north america). Really its a regional thing, just like FPS dont sell well in japan.
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Why did this have to reside outside of the thread that obviously inspired it? :| http://uk.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26148107
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#3 RurouniSaiyajin
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Name one JRPG that has sold well outside Japan? Okay, Kingdom Hearts

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Name one JRPG that has sold well outside Japan? Okay, Kingdom Hearts

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Epic Win.

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kingdom hearts, zelda, superstar saga, partners in time, dark cloud
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#6 omgimba
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Pokemon?
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#7 CHRIS_K_UK
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Didnt Dragon Quest 8 sell pretty well outside Japan?
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#8 Javy03
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This myth needs debunked, JRPGs not named Final Fantasy dont sell well outside japan. For example Chrono Trigger has sold more than 2.36 million copies in Japan and 290,000 abroad, think im wrong? Name one JRPG that has sold well in north america thats not a final fantasy game. Also, stop saying that 360 fans buy less JRPGs than sony fans (refering to north america). Really its a regional thing, just like FPS dont sell well in japan.TerroRizing

Yes your right, it is a regional thing, and the 360 having 70% of its fanbase in one region is gonna hurt it vareity wise.

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#9 TerroRizing
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Didnt Dragon Quest 8 sell pretty well outside Japan?CHRIS_K_UK

Not really, just alot better than before.

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#10 bigevil_rashek
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[QUOTE="RurouniSaiyajin"]

Name one JRPG that has sold well outside Japan? Okay, Kingdom Hearts

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Owned! Also pokemon(remember the craze?) and i think the tales series.

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lol pokemon. :D
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This myth needs debunked, JRPGs not named Final Fantasy dont sell well outside japan. For example Chrono Trigger has sold more than 2.36 million copies in Japan and 290,000 abroad, think im wrong? Name one JRPG that has sold well in north america thats not a final fantasy game. Also, stop saying that 360 fans buy less JRPGs than sony fans (refering to north america). Really its a regional thing, just like FPS dont sell well in japan.TerroRizing

Are you sure about those numbers? Id like a source on that cause i cant beleive it sold so few games. Im not calling you a liar its just amazingly low is all

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#13 CHRIS_K_UK
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How about Star Ocean 3 Till the End of Time?
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[QUOTE="TerroRizing"]This myth needs debunked, JRPGs not named Final Fantasy dont sell well outside japan. For example Chrono Trigger has sold more than 2.36 million copies in Japan and 290,000 abroad, think im wrong? Name one JRPG that has sold well in north america thats not a final fantasy game. Also, stop saying that 360 fans buy less JRPGs than sony fans (refering to north america). Really its a regional thing, just like FPS dont sell well in japan.Superstrokey

Are you sure about those numbers? Id like a source on that cause i cant beleive it sold so few games. Im not calling you a liar its just amazingly low is all

It says it on the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrono_Trigger obviously not a reliable source cause anyone can edit it I think..

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#15 TerroRizing
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[QUOTE="Superstrokey"]

[QUOTE="TerroRizing"]This myth needs debunked, JRPGs not named Final Fantasy dont sell well outside japan. For example Chrono Trigger has sold more than 2.36 million copies in Japan and 290,000 abroad, think im wrong? Name one JRPG that has sold well in north america thats not a final fantasy game. Also, stop saying that 360 fans buy less JRPGs than sony fans (refering to north america). Really its a regional thing, just like FPS dont sell well in japan.CHRIS_K_UK

Are you sure about those numbers? Id like a source on that cause i cant beleive it sold so few games. Im not calling you a liar its just amazingly low is all

It says it on the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrono_Trigger obviously not a reliable source cause anyone can edit it I think..

Wikipedia quotes the source it came from originally.

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kingdom hearts, zelda, superstar saga, partners in time, dark cloudprodiqy32
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KH- disney characters
Mario and Lugie Rpgs have Mario in them. Come on Mario Party sells for that same reason.
Dark Cloud- GOOD PICK

Zelda- its not a jrpg its an action/adventure. ON top of that its Zelda. Its about a big a game as a Final Fantasy. Its not very under the radar.

im just saying Dark Cloud was the only legit Jrpg thats a bit low key that means anything on your list.
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#17 Superstrokey
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[QUOTE="Superstrokey"]

[QUOTE="TerroRizing"]This myth needs debunked, JRPGs not named Final Fantasy dont sell well outside japan. For example Chrono Trigger has sold more than 2.36 million copies in Japan and 290,000 abroad, think im wrong? Name one JRPG that has sold well in north america thats not a final fantasy game. Also, stop saying that 360 fans buy less JRPGs than sony fans (refering to north america). Really its a regional thing, just like FPS dont sell well in japan.CHRIS_K_UK

Are you sure about those numbers? Id like a source on that cause i cant beleive it sold so few games. Im not calling you a liar its just amazingly low is all

It says it on the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrono_Trigger obviously not a reliable source cause anyone can edit it I think..

Thats really tragic that the numbers were so low... was such a damn good game. I loved it and got all my guys to lvl 99 with teh best of everything. Saw every ending and beat every baddy, including the hardest lavos (if i rememeber right you could solo it with chrono)

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#18 jg4xchamp
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YOur topic might mention outside japan.

But honestly does it matter, On Sony systems and Nintendo Systems JRPGS have way better chances of hitting 1 million sales.

Because there biggest market Japan buy those systems.

Its like trying to sell First Person Shooters on.....well there really isnt a good example of a system that doesnt sell at all in the US. We buy everything.......well its kind of like selling a FPS on a PSP. Doesnt sell alot of software and most people dont know it as a good FPS source.

All in all it is expected to see JRPGs do better on Playstation 3 and Nintendo Wii this gen.
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#19 TerroRizing
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[QUOTE="CHRIS_K_UK"][QUOTE="Superstrokey"]

[QUOTE="TerroRizing"]This myth needs debunked, JRPGs not named Final Fantasy dont sell well outside japan. For example Chrono Trigger has sold more than 2.36 million copies in Japan and 290,000 abroad, think im wrong? Name one JRPG that has sold well in north america thats not a final fantasy game. Also, stop saying that 360 fans buy less JRPGs than sony fans (refering to north america). Really its a regional thing, just like FPS dont sell well in japan.Superstrokey

Are you sure about those numbers? Id like a source on that cause i cant beleive it sold so few games. Im not calling you a liar its just amazingly low is all

It says it on the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrono_Trigger obviously not a reliable source cause anyone can edit it I think..

Thats really tragic that the numbers were so low... was such a damn good game. I loved it and got all my guys to lvl 99 with teh best of everything. Saw every ending and beat every baddy, including the hardest lavos (if i rememeber right you could solo it with chrono)

It really was a great game, still more playable than alot of current games.

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#20 OGTiago
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[QUOTE="Shazenab"][QUOTE="RurouniSaiyajin"]

Name one JRPG that has sold well outside Japan? Okay, Kingdom Hearts

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Owned! Also pokemon(remember the craze?) and i think the tales series.

indeed.
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The Pokemon franchise has sold 164 million games and those are RPG games. The only franchise that tops Pokemon is Mario with 200 million games sold.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_game_franchises

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#22 TerroRizing
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The Pokemon franchise has sold 164 million games and those are RPG games. The only franchise that tops Pokemon is Mario with 200 million games sold.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_game_franchises

Zero5000X

Yeah I forgot pokemon, thanks for reminding me... By the way, cnet fired the guy that gave tony hawk 3 a 10. :)

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#23 jg4xchamp
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[QUOTE="Zero5000X"]

The Pokemon franchise has sold 164 million games and those are RPG games. The only franchise that tops Pokemon is Mario with 200 million games sold.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_game_franchises

TerroRizing

Yeah I forgot pokemon, thanks for reminding me... By the way, cnet fired the guy that gave tony hawk 3 a 10. :)

who was that guy, it wasnt jeff was it?
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#24 TerroRizing
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[QUOTE="TerroRizing"][QUOTE="Zero5000X"]

The Pokemon franchise has sold 164 million games and those are RPG games. The only franchise that tops Pokemon is Mario with 200 million games sold.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_game_franchises

jg4xchamp

Yeah I forgot pokemon, thanks for reminding me... By the way, cnet fired the guy that gave tony hawk 3 a 10. :)

who was that guy, it wasnt jeff was it?

Yup it was Jeff, one of the many reasons I never put up a fuss about his firing.

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#25 CHRIS_K_UK
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[QUOTE="Zero5000X"]

The Pokemon franchise has sold 164 million games and those are RPG games. The only franchise that tops Pokemon is Mario with 200 million games sold.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_game_franchises

TerroRizing

Yeah I forgot pokemon, thanks for reminding me... By the way, cnet fired the guy that gave tony hawk 3 a 10. :)

It mostly sold that much because of it's name alone, but I guess lots of people did by it because it's an alright RPG.

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[QUOTE="CHRIS_K_UK"][QUOTE="Superstrokey"]

[QUOTE="TerroRizing"]This myth needs debunked, JRPGs not named Final Fantasy dont sell well outside japan. For example Chrono Trigger has sold more than 2.36 million copies in Japan and 290,000 abroad, think im wrong? Name one JRPG that has sold well in north america thats not a final fantasy game. Also, stop saying that 360 fans buy less JRPGs than sony fans (refering to north america). Really its a regional thing, just like FPS dont sell well in japan.Superstrokey

Are you sure about those numbers? Id like a source on that cause i cant beleive it sold so few games. Im not calling you a liar its just amazingly low is all

It says it on the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrono_Trigger obviously not a reliable source cause anyone can edit it I think..

Thats really tragic that the numbers were so low... was such a damn good game. I loved it and got all my guys to lvl 99 with teh best of everything. Saw every ending and beat every baddy, including the hardest lavos (if i rememeber right you could solo it with chrono)

yup you could go solo with chrono when marle got warped back at the begging of the game from the telepad in Leene square you go to the oppposite pad and instead of warping you back it warps you ahead to duke it out with lavos. I don't remember if I beat the game with just chrono I remember attempting it but don't remember if I beat it, I'm pretty sure I did though I did pretty much everything you could in that game I still play it from time to time.

Anyway I'm pretty sure thexenosaga series sold pretty well here or at least thefirst one did because it became a greatest hitas did SO 3 and KH. I also think Suikoden 3 sold really well here but I haven't confirmed the numbers for any of those just going on memory of when they were released if people were talking about them and if the initial sales werre strong.

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[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="TerroRizing"][QUOTE="Zero5000X"]

The Pokemon franchise has sold 164 million games and those are RPG games. The only franchise that tops Pokemon is Mario with 200 million games sold.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_game_franchises

TerroRizing

Yeah I forgot pokemon, thanks for reminding me... By the way, cnet fired the guy that gave tony hawk 3 a 10. :)

who was that guy, it wasnt jeff was it?

Yup it was Jeff, one of the many reasons I never put up a fuss about his firing.

TH3 was a good game IMO I give a 10 too... that game was so much fun, it even had online :shock:

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jrpgs on the 360 are garbage
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jrpgs on the 360 are garbagemistervengeance

Better than ps3 jrpgs, which so far dont even exist (unless you count Enchanted Arms).

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[QUOTE="mistervengeance"]jrpgs on the 360 are garbageTerroRizing

Better than ps3 jrpgs, which so far dont even exist (unless you count Enchanted Arms).

ouch now that´s some ownage there

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Fact, JRPG's on a SONY console sell better then they do on a Microsoft console.

There hasn't been one JRPG on an Xbox Console that has broken 200,000 copies (if it wasn't for Blue Dragon I could say 100,000) outside of Japan. SONY on the other hand has done it numerous times. Hell Dark Cloud sold over a million copies in North America and it was a launch window title.

While on this here are some more facts.

FACT - JRPG's usually get over 50% of their sales directly in Japan

FACT - JRPG's generally don't appeal to the Western audience

FACT - Final Fantasy isn't the only JRPG series to sell more then a million copies in North America

Counter what I've said TC, I dare you.

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[QUOTE="mistervengeance"]jrpgs on the 360 are garbageTerroRizing

Better than ps3 jrpgs, which so far dont even exist (unless you count Enchanted Arms).

i never said anything about ps3's rpgs. i know for a fact that they suck.

however, i also know that every jrpg on the 360 is trash

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This "myth needs to be debunked?" How about this isn't a myth!

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[QUOTE="Superstrokey"][QUOTE="CHRIS_K_UK"][QUOTE="Superstrokey"]

[QUOTE="TerroRizing"]This myth needs debunked, JRPGs not named Final Fantasy dont sell well outside japan. For example Chrono Trigger has sold more than 2.36 million copies in Japan and 290,000 abroad, think im wrong? Name one JRPG that has sold well in north america thats not a final fantasy game. Also, stop saying that 360 fans buy less JRPGs than sony fans (refering to north america). Really its a regional thing, just like FPS dont sell well in japan.Citan_Uzuki

Are you sure about those numbers? Id like a source on that cause i cant beleive it sold so few games. Im not calling you a liar its just amazingly low is all

It says it on the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrono_Trigger obviously not a reliable source cause anyone can edit it I think..

Thats really tragic that the numbers were so low... was such a damn good game. I loved it and got all my guys to lvl 99 with teh best of everything. Saw every ending and beat every baddy, including the hardest lavos (if i rememeber right you could solo it with chrono)

yup you could go solo with chrono when marle got warped back at the begging of the game from the telepad in Leene square you go to the oppposite pad and instead of warping you back it warps you ahead to duke it out with lavos. I don't remember if I beat the game with just chrono I remember attempting it but don't remember if I beat it, I'm pretty sure I did though I did pretty much everything you could in that game I still play it from time to time.

Anyway I'm pretty sure thexenosaga series sold pretty well here or at least thefirst one did because it became a greatest hitas did SO 3 and KH. I also think Suikoden 3 sold really well here but I haven't confirmed the numbers for any of those just going on memory of when they were released if people were talking about them and if the initial sales werre strong.

Ah yes i remember now... such good times! Maxed out at lvl 99 with and stats maxed you owned everything.... magic combining was cool too but totally underpowered compared to single use.

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[QUOTE="TerroRizing"]

[QUOTE="mistervengeance"]jrpgs on the 360 are garbagemistervengeance

Better than ps3 jrpgs, which so far dont even exist (unless you count Enchanted Arms).

i never said anything about ps3's rpgs. i know for a fact that they suck.

however, i also know that every jrpg on the 360 is trash

Eternal Sonata is actually pretty good.

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#36 mistervengeance
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[QUOTE="mistervengeance"][QUOTE="TerroRizing"]

[QUOTE="mistervengeance"]jrpgs on the 360 are garbageshaggygrosser

Better than ps3 jrpgs, which so far dont even exist (unless you count Enchanted Arms).

i never said anything about ps3's rpgs. i know for a fact that they suck.

however, i also know that every jrpg on the 360 is trash

Eternal Sonata is actually pretty good.

i'll try it some time, just hearing that stupid storyline and what the characters are named shyed me away from it.

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#37 Gunraidan
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Fact, JRPG's on a SONY console sell better then they do on a Microsoft console.

There hasn't been one JRPG on an Xbox Console that has broken 200,000 copies (if it wasn't for Blue Dragon I could say 100,000) outside of Japan. SONY on the other hand has done it numerous times. Hell Dark Cloud sold over a million copies in North America and it was a launch window title.

While on this here are some more facts.

FACT - JRPG's usually get over 50% of their sales directly in Japan

FACT - JRPG's generally don't appeal to the Western audience

FACT - Final Fantasy isn't the only JRPG series to sell more then a million copies in North America

Counter what I've said TC, I dare you.

Gunraidan

I'm waiting.

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To my knowledge Cronno Trigger was never a huge game in America. Final Fantasys on the other hand are.
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Persona 3 did okay in sales in the US. The sales wasn'y great better than a lot of non Final Fantasy JRPG's.
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#40 Adrian_Cloud
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Dark Cloud/Dark Chronicle series
Wild Arms Series
Suikoden Series
Xenosaga series
Mario rpg series
Pokeman series
Kingdom Hearts series
Monster Hunter series
Dragon Quest series
Disgea Series
Tales series.....


I'm noy saying i'm right, but there are some jrpg series that a lot of PS2 owners know of.

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#41 Makari
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Hell Dark Cloud sold over a million copies in North America and it was a launch window title.Gunraidan
Somehow, when I heard this I instantly knew exactly how Dark Cloud managed to clear a million sales in NA, and it was just a matter of finding out where it said I was right. Wikipedia obliged in the very first paragraph:
Dark Cloud was one of a few games that was distributed in demo form bundled with the initial release of the Playstation 2.Wikipedia
If it wasn't bundled as a demo at launch, not many people would have known nor cared about the game in the US, and this is coming from a huge fan of everything Level 5 has done.
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#42 Gunraidan
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If it wasn't bundled as a demo at launch, not many people would have known nor cared about the game in the US, and this is coming from a huge fan of everything Level 5 has done.Makari

And Eternal Sonata and Blue Dragon weren't demoed on the 360? Not to mention it came demoed with many other games on the same disc it was in.

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#43 Makari
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[QUOTE="Makari"] If it wasn't bundled as a demo at launch, not many people would have known nor cared about the game in the US, and this is coming from a huge fan of everything Level 5 has done.Gunraidan

And Eternal Sonata and Blue Dragon weren't demoed on the 360? Not to mention it came demoed with many other games on the same disc it was in.

bundle at launch! i do remember playing far too much AC2 hahah. and the same way GT3 got such ridiculously high numbers, being bundled with PS2s for a long time. it got over half again the sales of the other games in the series, iirc. the older mario games pulled the same thing, as did the GBA tetris. i'm guessing forza 2 and marvel ultimate alliance are going to have abnormally high 'sales' after being bundled with 360's for a few months :) edit: and yeah, i do realize it was only a demo - i'm standing by the contention that many people that purchased the game so early in the console's lifespan never would have heard of it or paid attention to it if not for that bundled demo. a lot of people can't be bothered to try free demos, hang out at the PC forum for proof of that =P
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#44 excelR83
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Who said they have to sell well? Chrono Trigger was an amazing game. As long as they make them, people will play them. I'm glad not every game has to sell out like Halo to get made.
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#45 UnknownSniper65
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eh I don't really like JRPGs...I just can't get into them...the main characters always end up looking likemasculine teenage girls
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#46 ChiChiMonKilla
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Came in here to rant but the tc has already been owned (walks away). :lol:
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#47 -RPGamer-
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Guess essentailly all the JRPG Publisher and dvelopers were just out of their minds for putting almost every JRPG for the last two gens on Sony's machines. :|

I mean if it sucked that bad you think they would have moved on right? Hmmm... :|

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#48 Gunraidan
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Guess essentailly all the JRPG Publisher and dvelopers were just out of their minds for putting almost every JRPG for the last two gens on Sony's machines. :|

I mean if it sucked that bad you think they would have moved on right? Hmmm... :|

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There's no such thing as "common sense" in the gaming community.

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#49 UnknownSniper65
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[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

Guess essentailly all the JRPG Publisher and dvelopers were just out of their minds for putting almost every JRPG for the last two gens on Sony's machines. :|

I mean if it sucked that bad you think they would have moved on right? Hmmm... :|

Gunraidan

There's no such thing as "common sense" in the gaming community.

If there was we wouldn't be seeing movie games

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#50 Gunraidan
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If there was we wouldn't be seeing movie games

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Or games turning into interactive movies as a standard.