Natal is exactly the same as EyeToy

More precise, vocal and facial recognition.

Natal, Balls on a Stick, Wii are all a gimmick and I don't know why you care anyway, they're here for casuals/party play and will never be the norm for playing consoles.

How is Natal any different from the EyeToy? The EyeToy can do anything Natal can do, you can move objects on the screen without a controller. Sure, Natal may be more precise, but so what? It had like 5 years to do this? When EyeToy came out, you can influence objects on screen with just your hands on screen. You can hit balls, block things, and even fight with on screen figures. People who say Natal is innovative or revolutionary are just plain bias. EyeToy does everything Natal does, 5 years ago. If Sony had 5 years to improve on it as well of course their EyeToy would be better than Natal. But they tried something else, which is 1:1 movement with their motion controll which is way ahead of Natal. Natal is just a ripoff of Eyetoy, and it doesn't even do things as well as it should. Sony's Next motion controll is more innovative and revolutionary than a concept that was done years ago and just improved upon-Natal.Nvidia28

Yeah well seeing as though M+ is just like sony's ball on a stick... :roll:

Natal, Balls on a Stick, Wii are all a gimmick and I don't know why you care anyway, they're here for casuals/party play and will never be the norm for playing consoles.

xxyetixx

If it was exactly like Eyetoy, don't you think Sony would have, you know, SUED MS already? Why would MS invest in something like Eyetoy that has pretty much failed?

its more precise, has voice recognition, has more features, etc.

basically Id say it was inspiredd off of EyeToy, I wouldnt say it is the same as one though.

natal is eyetoy+, the sony wand is almost exactly the same as wii motion + but has some advantages/disadvantages both will be expensive failures with no support.

You hit the nail on the head, its better than the eye-toy, its more precise, and the functionality is better.PC360Wii

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"]You hit the nail on the head, its better than the eye-toy, its more precise, and the functionality is better.Nvidia28

From what I heard from a editor from ign the PS3 eyetoy does what natal does execpt for depth.

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"]You hit the nail on the head, its better than the eye-toy, its more precise, and the functionality is better.Nvidia28

If it was exactly like Eyetoy, don't you think Sony would have, you know, SUED MS already? Why would MS invest in something like Eyetoy that has pretty much failed?

heretrix

Good question.

If it was exactly like Eyetoy, don't you think Sony would have, you know, SUED MS already? Why would MS invest in something like Eyetoy that has pretty much failed?

heretrix

everytime ms comes out with something new i tell my self, ive seen this before

If it was exactly like Eyetoy, don't you think Sony would have, you know, SUED MS already? Why would MS invest in something like Eyetoy that has pretty much failed?

heretrix

No, because the concept of motion detection isn't copy-righted so any one can develop it and name it differently.

MS has this habit. They take old ideas, put a new name on it, then make a huge commercial campaign and make it look much bigger than what it is. This project has a big potential, but I can't trust MS with new technologies, especially evolutionary one like Natal.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

If it was exactly like Eyetoy, don't you think Sony would have, you know, SUED MS already? Why would MS invest in something like Eyetoy that has pretty much failed?

mithrixx

No, because the concept of motion detection isn't copy-righted so any one can develop it and name it differently.

MS has this habit. They take old ideas, put a new name on it, then make a huge commercial campaign and make it look much bigger than what it is. This project has a big potential, but I can't trust MS with new technologies, especially evolutionary one like Natal.

what else exactly have they done that with?

Your forgetting something really important, the 3D depth camera. With EyeToy everything is on a 2D plane, Natal can perceive 3D space. If I swing a bat parallel to the EyeToy camera it will only see the bat getting longer then shorter. If the game knows the context it approximate the movement but Natal can map it perfectly to an in game player model. Apples and oranges really.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

If it was exactly like Eyetoy, don't you think Sony would have, you know, SUED MS already? Why would MS invest in something like Eyetoy that has pretty much failed?

mithrixx

No, because the concept of motion detection isn't copy-righted so any one can develop it and name it differently.

MS has this habit. They take old ideas, put a new name on it, then make a huge commercial campaign and make it look much bigger than what it is. This project has a big potential, but I can't trust MS with new technologies, especially evolutionary one like Natal.

[QUOTE="mithrixx"]

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

If it was exactly like Eyetoy, don't you think Sony would have, you know, SUED MS already? Why would MS invest in something like Eyetoy that has pretty much failed?

dragonfly110

No, because the concept of motion detection isn't copy-righted so any one can develop it and name it differently.

MS has this habit. They take old ideas, put a new name on it, then make a huge commercial campaign and make it look much bigger than what it is. This project has a big potential, but I can't trust MS with new technologies, especially evolutionary one like Natal.

what else exactly have they done that with?

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

If it was exactly like Eyetoy, don't you think Sony would have, you know, SUED MS already? Why would MS invest in something like Eyetoy that has pretty much failed?

mithrixx

No, because the concept of motion detection isn't copy-righted so any one can develop it and name it differently.

MS has this habit. They take old ideas, put a new name on it, then make a huge commercial campaign and make it look much bigger than what it is. This project has a big potential, but I can't trust MS with new technologies, especially evolutionary one like Natal.

:lol:to all the posters that said Natal is more precise :lol:. Yeah the paint demo really showed ow precise Natal can, you can't even draw with it. All he did was flail his arm around and splash paint on the canvas. All MS is doing is hyping Natal to the roof so that everyone runs out and buys it. After a few short hours or even a couple of days the hype will wear of and you be left with an overpriced eyetoy. That will collect dust on your book shelf never to be used again.

:lol:to all the posters that said Natal is more precise :lol:. Yeah the paint demo really showed ow precise Natal can, you can't even draw with it. All he did was flail his arm around and splash paint on the canvas. All MS is doing is hyping Natal to the roof so that everyone runs out and buys it. After a few short hours or even a couple of days the hype will wear of and you be left with an overpriced eyetoy. That will collect dust on your book shelf never to be used again.

2beers_in_hand

yeah, and the other demos like the 3D ricochetgame werent precise either :lol:

oh wait, they were. :|

:lol:to all the posters that said Natal is more precise :lol:. Yeah the paint demo really showed ow precise Natal can, you can't even draw with it. All he did was flail his arm around and splash paint on the canvas. All MS is doing is hyping Natal to the roof so that everyone runs out and buys it. After a few short hours or even a couple of days the hype will wear of and you be left with an overpriced eyetoy. That will collect dust on your book shelf never to be used again.

2beers_in_hand

How is Natal any different from the EyeToy? The EyeToy can do anything Natal can do, you can move objects on the screen without a controller. Sure, Natal may be more precise, but so what? It had like 5 years to do this? When EyeToy came out, you can influence objects on screen with just your hands on screen. You can hit balls, block things, and even fight with on screen figures. People who say Natal is innovative or revolutionary are just plain bias. EyeToy does everything Natal does, 5 years ago. If Sony had 5 years to improve on it as well of course their EyeToy would be better than Natal. But they tried something else, which is 1:1 movement with their motion controll which is way ahead of Natal. Natal is just a ripoff of Eyetoy, and it doesn't even do things as well as it should. Sony's Next motion controll is more innovative and revolutionary than a concept that was done years ago and just improved upon-Natal.Nvidia28

How is my HDTV any different from my old CRT TV?

The CRT can do anything the HDTV can do, it can show objects on the screen. Sure, the HDTV might have a sharper image, but so what? It had 20 years to do this? When CRT came out, it could show objects on screen with a press of the remote. You can watch ball games and even watch all the greatest action movies created. People who say HDTV is innovative are bias (har-har).

CRT TV does everything that HDTV does, 20 years ago. If Panasonic had 20 years to improve on it as well of course their CRT TV would be better than HDTV. But they tried something else, which is ambient light which is way ahead of HDTV. HDTV is just a ripoff of CRT TV, and it doesn'0t even do things as well as it should (lol, what?). Panasonic's next TV is more innovative and revolutionary than a concept that was dones years ago and just improved upon HDTV.

:lol:to all the posters that said Natal is more precise :lol:. Yeah the paint demo really showed ow precise Natal can, you can't even draw with it. All he did was flail his arm around and splash paint on the canvas. All MS is doing is hyping Natal to the roof so that everyone runs out and buys it. After a few short hours or even a couple of days the hype will wear of and you be left with an overpriced eyetoy. That will collect dust on your book shelf never to be used again.

2beers_in_hand

[QUOTE="mithrixx"]

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

If it was exactly like Eyetoy, don't you think Sony would have, you know, SUED MS already? Why would MS invest in something like Eyetoy that has pretty much failed?

heretrix

No, because the concept of motion detection isn't copy-righted so any one can develop it and name it differently.

MS has this habit. They take old ideas, put a new name on it, then make a huge commercial campaign and make it look much bigger than what it is. This project has a big potential, but I can't trust MS with new technologies, especially evolutionary one like Natal.

[QUOTE="Nvidia28"]How is Natal any different from the EyeToy? The EyeToy can do anything Natal can do, you can move objects on the screen without a controller. Sure, Natal may be more precise, but so what? It had like 5 years to do this? When EyeToy came out, you can influence objects on screen with just your hands on screen. You can hit balls, block things, and even fight with on screen figures. People who say Natal is innovative or revolutionary are just plain bias. EyeToy does everything Natal does, 5 years ago. If Sony had 5 years to improve on it as well of course their EyeToy would be better than Natal. But they tried something else, which is 1:1 movement with their motion controll which is way ahead of Natal. Natal is just a ripoff of Eyetoy, and it doesn't even do things as well as it should. Sony's Next motion controll is more innovative and revolutionary than a concept that was done years ago and just improved upon-Natal.skelebull3000

How is my HDTV any different from my old CRT TV?

The CRT can do anything the HDTV can do, it can show objects on the screen. Sure, the HDTV might have a sharper image, but so what? It had 20 years to do this? When CRT came out, it could show objects on screen with a press of the remote. You can watch ball games and even watch all the greatest action movies created. People who say HDTV is innovative are bias (har-har).

CRT TV does everything that HDTV does, 20 years ago. If Panasonic had 20 years to improve on it as well of course their CRT TV would be better than HDTV. But they tried something else, which is ambient light which is way ahead of HDTV. HDTV is just a ripoff of CRT TV, and it doesn'0t even do things as well as it should (lol, what?). Panasonic's next TV is more innovative and revolutionary than a concept that was dones years ago and just improved upon HDTV.

Airtight ownage there.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="mithrixx"]

No, because the concept of motion detection isn't copy-righted so any one can develop it and name it differently.

MS has this habit. They take old ideas, put a new name on it, then make a huge commercial campaign and make it look much bigger than what it is. This project has a big potential, but I can't trust MS with new technologies, especially evolutionary one like Natal.

mithrixx

Ummm remember when Sony, MS and Nintendo got sued for force feedback controllers? You can get sued for tech and it doesn't have to look anything like the original. If the the tech is exactly alike then you will be in court.

heretrix

If it was exactly like Eyetoy, don't you think Sony would have, you know, SUED MS already? Why would MS invest in something like Eyetoy that has pretty much failed?

heretrix

for the same reson nintendo didnt sue sony, becouse you cant put a copyrigh on motion controles

Natal is a few steps ahead of EyeToy though in terms of capability though.

Ummm remember when Sony, MS and Nintendo got sued for force feedback controllers? You can get sued for tech and it doesn't have to look anything like the original. If the the tech is exactly alike then you will be in court.

How is Natal any different from the EyeToy? The EyeToy can do anything Natal can do, you can move objects on the screen without a controller. Sure, Natal may be more precise, but so what? It had like 5 years to do this? When EyeToy came out, you can influence objects on screen with just your hands on screen. You can hit balls, block things, and even fight with on screen figures. People who say Natal is innovative or revolutionary are just plain bias. EyeToy does everything Natal does, 5 years ago. If Sony had 5 years to improve on it as well of course their EyeToy would be better than Natal. But they tried something else, which is 1:1 movement with their motion controll which is way ahead of Natal. Natal is just a ripoff of Eyetoy, and it doesn't even do things as well as it should. Sony's Next motion controll is more innovative and revolutionary than a concept that was done years ago and just improved upon-Natal.Nvidia28

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

If it was exactly like Eyetoy, don't you think Sony would have, you know, SUED MS already? Why would MS invest in something like Eyetoy that has pretty much failed?

DeadEndPanda

for the same reson nintendo didnt sue sony, becouse you cant put a copyrigh on motion controles

First off, the Natal is a joke, an overhyped joke.

Nextly, no, it's a Depth sencing camera, which no console camera before has been. (Time of flight sensor, i think, form 3DV systems recently aquired by microsoft.)

And all the processing required for motion sensing, facial recognition, ect is done on the natal, effectively making the feature "free" in terms of processing power on the 360.

I just wonder the priceing. If it is over 60$, i think we're being ripped off.

Don't buy into the hype, but know it is different.

Natal is exactly the same as EyeToy in the same way that Ferrari is exactly the same as Lada.

Iv seen the natal videos, natal seems to capture a more 3d format, even thought tehy are very alike in alot of ways natal has a bit more depth. It has its advantages.

so...a camera technology from...near 4 years ago is the same as camera technology from present?

so...a camera technology from...near 4 years ago is the same as camera technology from present?

WilliamRLBaker

The Natal is far more advanced than the EyeToy.

To say that the EyeToy can do everything the Natal can is just foolish.

The Natal is far more advanced than the EyeToy.

To say that the EyeToy can do everything the Natal can is just foolish.

The_Game21x