Naughty Dog: Blu Ray is needed

In a video on Gametrailers, a Naughty Dog developer is interviewed with video of their upcoming PS3 game Uncharted: Drake's Fortune running in the background.

He says that the DEMO cannot fit on a DVD. It does not stop there. There are no load times. Audio, level data, character models, animations, and textures are constantly streaming from the hard disc and Blu Ray drive resulting in "maximum, efficient use of memory." 

OMGOMG!!!

A SONY EMPLOYEE SAYS THAT SONY'S OWN DEVELOPED DISC FORMAT IS NEEDED FOR SONY'S GAMES!!!!!

TEH OWNAGE

Awinagainov

Third party developers have said the same thing...

http://forumz.tomshardware.com/games/Epic-Games-VP-360-DVDs-small-ftopict33611.html

OMGOMG!!!

A SONY EMPLOYEE SAYS THAT SONY'S OWN DEVELOPED DISC FORMAT IS NEEDED FOR SONY'S GAMES!!!!!

TEH OWNAGE 

Awinagainov

ah it means that th eway they made this game, graphix, aminations, size of eviornments, can only be done using bluray and HDD. So basically 360 cant get this overall experience bc of it limitations lolol

Both PS3 and 360 are limited to environment sizes by thier farty little 512MB of ram.

Both PS3 and 360 are limited to environment sizes by thier farty little 512MB of ram.

Marka1700

Both PS3 and 360 are limited to environment sizes by thier farty little 512MB of ram.

Marka1700

For a console that doesn't have a huge bloated OS with a bunch of bloatware running in the background like with windows based PCs 512MB is more than enough... 

All right folks, look at it again. He says that they are streaming data from the hard drive and the Blu Ray on a constant basis to make the most efficient use of the available RAM.

Audio, character models, textures, animations, level data....that's what he said. That's a lot of crap, isn't it? The DEMO won't fit on a DVD-9. You've got to be farking kidding me if you think this quote is insubstantial or inconsequential. 

[QUOTE="Awinagainov"]

OMGOMG!!!

A SONY EMPLOYEE SAYS THAT SONY'S OWN DEVELOPED DISC FORMAT IS NEEDED FOR SONY'S GAMES!!!!!

TEH OWNAGE

winner-ps3

ah it means that th eway they made this game, graphix, aminations, size of eviornments, can only be done using bluray and HDD. So basically 360 cant get this overall experience bc of it limitations lolol

or it means that sony adds filler to their disks to take up more space so they can say their filthy format is needed, kind of like what they did with Resistance.  lolol.  ::pukes on you:: 

Not only are they using the space, there is a performance advantage and zero load times as a result of Blu Ray. If that does not close the case forevermore I don't know what does.

Streaming important data for a real-world advantage is NOT "taking up space."

[QUOTE="Marka1700"]

Both PS3 and 360 are limited to environment sizes by thier farty little 512MB of ram.

raynimrod

Still not efficient enought to match the 2Gig + 256MB Video standards of todays gamming PC.

All right folks, look at it again. He says that they are streaming data from the hard drive and the Blu Ray on a constant basis to make the most efficient use of the available RAM.

Audio, character models, textures, animations, level data....that's what he said. That's a lot of crap, isn't it? The DEMO won't fit on a DVD-9. You've got to be farking kidding me if you think this quote is insubstantial or inconsequential. 

Redfingers

[QUOTE="raynimrod"][QUOTE="Marka1700"]

Both PS3 and 360 are limited to environment sizes by thier farty little 512MB of ram.

Marka1700

Still not efficient enought to match the 2Gig + 256MB Video standards of todays gamming PC.

The demo won't fit on a DVD-9? How are they going to distribute it? Its going to be a 10 gig download? The game doesn't look that impressive and they use the same textures over and over. Sounds like a bunch of hype.JiveT

I think you're confusing Uncharted with Gears of War.... You want to talk about using the same textures over and over and over play that game, oh and Oblivion is the same.

[QUOTE="winner-ps3"][QUOTE="Awinagainov"]

OMGOMG!!!

A SONY EMPLOYEE SAYS THAT SONY'S OWN DEVELOPED DISC FORMAT IS NEEDED FOR SONY'S GAMES!!!!!

TEH OWNAGE

blkgto

ah it means that th eway they made this game, graphix, aminations, size of eviornments, can only be done using bluray and HDD. So basically 360 cant get this overall experience bc of it limitations lolol

or it means that sony adds filler to their disks to take up more space so they can say their filthy format is needed, kind of like what they did with Resistance.  lolol.  ::pukes on you:: 

Did you steal my avatar? :o You bastard.

[QUOTE="JiveT"]The demo won't fit on a DVD-9? How are they going to distribute it? Its going to be a 10 gig download? The game doesn't look that impressive and they use the same textures over and over. Sounds like a bunch of hype.jdt532

I think you're confusing Uncharted with Gears of War.... You want to talk about using the same textures over and over and over play that game, oh and Oblivion is the same.

I didn't say it was the only game that re-uses textures but look at the videos its the same wall texture over and over. I can't see that being the reason it "needs" Blu-ray. Uncompressed digital surround sound is the only reason I can think of for a game that will probably last 15 hours tops. The pirates or whatever he's fighting all look the same as well. The animation is nice but its still got "transition" problems. Not much better than the PoP series from last gen.

Ok how about we wait for some top notch 3rd developers like Epic, Bioware, Bethesda, Valve etc. to say BR is needed, because right now all I'm hearing from the developers is either a) Sony's writing the checks around here or b) we're too lazy to actually do some work compressing and optimizing.pundog

I guess you overlooked the post I made in this very thread where the guy at Epic pretty much said DVD is too small?.... 

[QUOTE="Awinagainov"]

OMGOMG!!!

A SONY EMPLOYEE SAYS THAT SONY'S OWN DEVELOPED DISC FORMAT IS NEEDED FOR SONY'S GAMES!!!!!

TEH OWNAGE

winner-ps3

ah it means that th eway they made this game, graphix, aminations, size of eviornments, can only be done using bluray and HDD. So basically 360 cant get this overall experience bc of it limitations lolol

Or, since it is going to undoubtedly install multiple gigs of data to the HDD, they could have an install disk, and a play disc, for a dvd version. I know you cows believe in Sony and all, but damn, can't you even ATTEMPT something resembling critical thinking? I ask you this, IF BD is so awesome, what the hell do they need the HDD for anyways? If games are going to just be installed to the HDD, what is the use in BD? 

[QUOTE="Marka1700"]

Both PS3 and 360 are limited to environment sizes by thier farty little 512MB of ram.

raynimrod

Oh yeah? How is it more "efficient" than DDR2? Perhaps you should do a little research? 

[QUOTE="Marka1700"]

Both PS3 and 360 are limited to environment sizes by thier farty little 512MB of ram.

jdt532

For a console that doesn't have a huge bloated OS with a bunch of bloatware running in the background like with windows based PCs 512MB is more than enough...

No. Not even close. Ask any dev what they want more of in these consoles, and 90% will say more memory. 

[QUOTE="jdt532"]

[QUOTE="JiveT"]The demo won't fit on a DVD-9? How are they going to distribute it? Its going to be a 10 gig download? The game doesn't look that impressive and they use the same textures over and over. Sounds like a bunch of hype.JiveT

I think you're confusing Uncharted with Gears of War.... You want to talk about using the same textures over and over and over play that game, oh and Oblivion is the same.

I didn't say it was the only game that re-uses textures but look at the videos its the same wall texture over and over. I can't see that being the reason it "needs" Blu-ray. Uncompressed digital surround sound is the only reason I can think of for a game that will probably last 15 hours tops. The pirates or whatever he's fighting all look the same as well. The animation is nice but its still got "transition" problems. Not much better than the PoP series from last gen.

The reason you don't get why the game wont fit on a DVD is because you're not a game developer. The guy pretty much explained why Blu-Ray is needed but his explanation probably went way over your head. He explained that everything in the game is streamed directly from the disk and I know for a fact that texture streaming alone eats up allot of disk space and since everything else in the game is streamed as well you can figure out why this game eats up allot of disk space. 

[QUOTE="pundog"]Ok how about we wait for some top notch 3rd developers like Epic, Bioware, Bethesda, Valve etc. to say BR is needed, because right now all I'm hearing from the developers is either a) Sony's writing the checks around here or b) we're too lazy to actually do some work compressing and optimizing.jdt532

I guess you overlooked the post I made in this very thread where the guy at Epic pretty much said DVD is too small?.... 

I gurantee Rare could get a game up and running on the 360 that looks, plays, and is just as long as Drake's Fortune.

Banjo 3's probably already matched it. 

Having a huge game means 1 of 2 things:
-You have a completely unoptimised game
-Your game has a huge world loads and loads of sound/texture files stacked on top of a huge map with laods of models and such.

This seems to be hte first one if they can't even make the demo fit.

[QUOTE="raynimrod"][QUOTE="Marka1700"]

Both PS3 and 360 are limited to environment sizes by thier farty little 512MB of ram.

John-J-Rambo

Oh yeah? How is it more "efficient" than DDR2? Perhaps you should do a little research? 

So the demo won't fit on a roughly 8.5 gig disc, but the final version is going to fit on 25 gigs? Is it a ridiculously long demo or short game? Vyse_The_Daring

Blu-Ray disks can have up to 4 layers on one disk which means a 100GB capacity.... 

So the demo won't fit on a roughly 8.5 gig disc, but the final version is going to fit on 25 gigs? Is it a ridiculously long demo or short game? Vyse_The_Daring

So the demo won't fit on a roughly 8.5 gig disc, but the final version is going to fit on 25 gigs? Is it a ridiculously long demo or short game? Vyse_The_Daring

Yeah that's what I'm trying to figure out. I'd like to see a break down of how they are using the memory and how they plan to distribute the demo. The PSN store downloaded at a decent clip when I had the system but a 10 gig demo on a 60 gig harddrive seems a little whacky.

lmao!...crash bandicoot.

[QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]So the demo won't fit on a roughly 8.5 gig disc, but the final version is going to fit on 25 gigs? Is it a ridiculously long demo or short game? rockstar183

Didn't know they were using a 50 gig, my fault. But my point still stands, I've never played a demo that's nearly 1/5 the size of the final game. 

lmao!...crash bandicoot.

LinKuei_warrior

Yeah these gusy made Crash Bandicoot. This game was all about Mind blowing storage and visuals. lol:roll: 

[QUOTE="John-J-Rambo"]
[QUOTE="raynimrod"][QUOTE="Marka1700"]

Both PS3 and 360 are limited to environment **** by thier farty little 512MB of ram.

raynimrod

Oh yeah? How is it more "efficient" than DDR2? Perhaps you should do a little research?

Yeah, it is more efficient bandiwdth wise, but that does not mean it can store more. Bandwidth efficiency has absolutely NO bearing in the context of what the discussion was about. I guess I could have worded my response better, but I would assume you would know I was talking about storage space, and not bandwidth when that is what the discussion was about.

[QUOTE="Marka1700"]

Both PS3 and 360 are limited to environment sizes by thier farty little 512MB of ram.

jdt532

For a console that doesn't have a huge bloated OS with a bunch of bloatware running in the background like with windows based PCs 512MB is more than enough...

Obviously consumers aren't impressed with Blu-Ray.

And you know what? The consumers are always right. Blu-Ray isn't needed right now. Next gen it will be mandatory, but by the we'll have an even better disc format.

Not only are they using the space, there is a performance advantage and zero load times as a result of Blu Ray. If that does not close the case forevermore I don't know what does.

Streaming important data for a real-world advantage is NOT "taking up space."

Redfingers

zero load times? you mean ps3 has zero load times *cough* BS *cough* i own one and the thing has load times buddy.

And you mean those zero load times are a result of blu ray? how is that possible when 2x blu ray AT ALL times is still slower then 8-12x dvd?

By the way why is it that over 80% of ps3 games load onto the harddrive via cache or do an install? because blu rays transfer speed is slow as hell, if they we're to stream every thing from the disc load times would be 30 seconds or more and this is proven fact.

you need to learn blu ray facts...

After reading the rest of the thread, I think the dev is stupid, DATA streams off the disc? the BLU Ray disc? *laughs hard* ok whatever, Let alone the fact that blu ray is slow as hell compared to DVD and this is shown in developer interviews and the fact that nearly all ps3 games cache data or do straight installs onto the harddrive cause without it the games would have hella load times....LOL if the game cant fit on a dvd, I do not believe for one second it will use disc streaming, its gonna have super bad load times if it does.

 Now if it loads from the hard drive then load times will be small but even with the hard drive load time still exists, I think the dev is smoking something, no one as of yet in the industry of pcs or console has figured out how to banish load times, unless you use cartridge type memory.

[QUOTE="Redfingers"]

Not only are they using the space, there is a performance advantage and zero load times as a result of Blu Ray. If that does not close the case forevermore I don't know what does.

Streaming important data for a real-world advantage is NOT "taking up space."

WilliamRLBaker

zero load times? you mean ps3 has zero load times *cough* BS *cough* i own one and the thing has load times buddy.

And you mean those zero load times are a result of blu ray? how is that possible when 2x blu ray AT ALL times is still slower then 8-12x dvd?

By the way why is it that over 80% of ps3 games load onto the harddrive via cache or do an install? because blu rays transfer speed is slow as hell, if they we're to stream every thing from the disc load times would be 30 seconds or more and this is proven fact.

you need to learn blu ray facts...

After reading the rest of the thread, I think the dev is stupid, DATA streams off the disc? the BLU Ray disc? *laughs hard* ok whatever, Let alone the fact that blu ray is slow as hell compared to DVD and this is shown in developer interviews and the fact that nearly all ps3 games cache data or do straight installs onto the harddrive cause without it the games would have hella load times....LOL if the game cant fit on a dvd, I do not believe for one second it will use disc streaming, its gonna have super bad load times if it does.

And yet in Uncharted they do stream everything from the disk and there's no load times in the game....

Read this, second paragraph

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/788/788740p1.html

[QUOTE="raynimrod"][QUOTE="John-J-Rambo"]
[QUOTE="raynimrod"][QUOTE="Marka1700"]

Both PS3 and 360 are limited to environment **** by thier farty little 512MB of ram.

John-J-Rambo

Oh yeah? How is it more "efficient" than DDR2? Perhaps you should do a little research?

Yeah, it is more efficient bandiwdth wise, but that does not mean it can store more. Bandwidth efficiency has absolutely NO bearing in the context of what the discussion was about. I guess I could have worded my response better, but I would assume you would know I was talking about storage space, and not bandwidth when that is what the discussion was about.