Need For Speed: Shift is the best *console* racing sim, sadly.

Why?

Because even though the game is not realistic in any sense, the competition between cars is.

In Forza 3 - AWD dominates the competition on track. In what world would a Chevelle SS 454 lose to a Nissan GT-R in a 1/4? Unless the Chevelle was straight stock, it wouldn't under any circumstance lose to a GT-R. It takes an 1100hp beast Civic SI to beat a 650hp Camaro in an et. So I can throw like $150,000 worth of upgrades on any import, but God forbid I want to throw on a blower...atleast I can get side pipes.

GT5 iseven worse, justabyssmal. A 1972 Monte Carlo having a worse launch than a Supra? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. There is a reason this car was BANNED from Nascar. Even it was a stock Monte 350with 2.43gears and 1500 stallit STILL would launch stronger than a Supra. In the king simulator, if you want to drive Muscle...don't bother buying this game - it sucks for muscle fanatics. Not even side pipes.

You played GT5?

I wish I had a crystal ball :(

Where do you people come from? This doesnt make any sence, Im very sorry I cant contribute more than that.

Why?

Because even though the game is not realistic in any sense, the competition between cars is.

In Forza 3 - AWD dominates the competition on track. In what world would a Chevelle SS 454 lose to a Nissan GT-R in a 1/4? Unless the Chevelle was straight stock, it wouldn't under any circumstance lose to a GT-R. It takes an 1100hp beast Civic SI to beat a 650hp Camaro in an et. So I can throw like $150,000 worth of upgrades on any import, but God forbid I want to throw on a blower...atleast I can get side pipes.

GT5 iseven worse, justabyssmal. A 1972 Monte Carlo having a worse launch than a Supra? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. There is a reason this car was BANNED from Nascar. Even it was a stock Monte 350with 2.43gears and 1500 stallit STILL would launch stronger than a Supra. In the king simulator, if you want to drive Muscle...don't bother buying this game - it sucks for muscle fanatics. Not even side pipes.

fissionfusion

well, i didn't like it so yeah that's pretty stong evidence that it's a good sim.

In what world would a Chevelle SS 454 lose to a Nissan GT-R in a 1/4?fissionfusion

*googles performance specs*

Apparently, the real world.

It means for a simulator these game sucks.

They are completely biased towards imports and European cars, GT5 moreso than Forza. You can twin turbo and bump PSI into the mid 20's on imports, but they purposely refuse to let you have the ability to bump PSI any higher than 12on BBC or SBC's for that matter via a blower, because they know with the tuning options given American vehicles would dominate (like typical) on anything other than a windy death course in which even the Cobalt is King.

The Corvette is the current stock package King of the Nurb Rings, but yet a stock GT-R beats it out on GT5? Am I missing something?

[QUOTE="fissionfusion"]In what world would a Chevelle SS 454 lose to a Nissan GT-R in a 1/4?Oleg_Huzwog

*googles performance specs*

Apparently, the real world.

Saw this on drag times.com GT-R (twin turbo 897bwhp)

1/4 Mile ET: 10.551
1/4 Mile MPH: 128.420
1/8 Mile ET: 6.731
1/8 Mile MPH: 104.060
0-60 Foot ET: 1.497
Temperature F: 71.0Read more at http://my350z.com/forum/2009-nissan-gt-r/428216-what-is-the-fastest-gt-r-in-the-1-4-mile.html

chevelle (non blown 702bwhp)

1/4 Mile ET:10.0701/4 Mile MPH:130.8001/8 Mile ET:6.3301/8 Mile MPH:106.6200-60 Foot ET:1.290

lolwut?

The TC has no idea about performance. Why does a Chevelle 454 beat a GT-R in the 1/4 mile? Because it has more power? The GT-R is a machine designed around 40 year-newer technology, obviously its going to beat something from the 1960's in everything. Hell, I wouldn't bet there are some Honda Civic's out there (type-R's perhaps) that with a tiny bit of tuning (and no power upgrades) could easily be a Chevelle around a track.

More power =/= better

And Shift is not a sim.

[QUOTE="fissionfusion"]In what world would a Chevelle SS 454 lose to a Nissan GT-R in a 1/4?Oleg_Huzwog

*googles performance specs*

Apparently, the real world.

Exactly

"These cars perform like their real life counterparts, something must be done to stop this!"

The TC has no idea about performance. Why does a Chevelle 454 beat a GT-R in the 1/4 mile? Because it has more power? The GT-R is a machine designed around 40 year-newer technology, obviously its going to beat something from the 1960's in everything. Hell, I wouldn't bet there are some Honda Civic's out there (type-R's perhaps) that with a tiny bit of tuning (and no power upgrades) could easily be a Chevelle around a track.

More power =/= better

And Shift is not a sim.

foxhound_fox

A Chevelle 454 SS with a race package runs 10's. A GT-R runs 11's. I mean last time I checked 11 is slower than 10. Correct me if I am wrong.

A Chevelle 454 SS with a race package runs 10's. A GT-R runs 11's. I mean last time I checked 11 is slower than 10. Correct me if I am wrong.

fissionfusion

"In what world would a Chevelle SS 454 lose to a Nissan GT-R in a 1/4"

i am not an expert here but from what i know

the chevelle is better at launch if it is equipped with drag raceing tires

at launch the chevelle is so powerfull and the tiers are so grippy that most of the weight of the car will be concentrated on the rear wheels hence giving them more traction and with its power it would win

but if tiers are normal the tires would not have enough grip to shift enough weight to the back wheels and then not have enough grip and with the chevelle power the tires would spin wasting its power

in the other hand the gtr will always have its power delivered to the tire with the most grip and not to wast any of its power

[QUOTE="fissionfusion"]

A Chevelle 454 SS with a race package runs 10's. A GT-R runs 11's. I mean last time I checked 11 is slower than 10. Correct me if I am wrong.

foxhound_fox

I will.

Then I'll go take my 350Z to the track this weekend, and then my Monte next weekend.

Did a little comparo between the two. Tried to keep it as unbiased as possible (I'm pretty good at the game, and don't normally do 1/4 mile runs, so my shifting might be bad).

--

Chevelle 454 SS vs. GT-R Spec V

Free Play - Hot Lap - Sedona Raceway Park, 1/4 mile track

1970 Chevrolet Chevelle SS-454

Power: 336kW
Torque: 677.9N.m
Weight: 1723kg

Expert Settings (no-assists, manual w/clutch):

Run 1 13.847
Run 2 13.864
Run 3 13.830

Easy Settings (all assists, automatic):

Run 1 14.431
Run 2 14.404
Run 3 14.431

2010 Nissan GT-R SpecV

Power: 357kW
Torque: 588.0N.m
Weight: 1680kg

Expert Settings (no-assists, manual w/clutch):

Run 1 11.078
Run 2 11.144
Run 3 11.111 (****in' eh)

Easy Settings (all assists, automatic):

Run 1 11.411
Run 2 11.578
Run 3 11.395

--

If anything, I just proved that using the manual w/clutch and no assists is way better than automatic with. Hmm... *buys GT-R for later use*

Typical race package for mechanical engines typically includes- New tires Higher RPM cam Dual dominators heavier valvetrain Internal balancing ported & open heads Dual spring set tuning 105 octane tuning greater fuel pump Torque Converter long tube headers (straight pipe) And depending on the transmission, an overhaul might be required unless it's a TH400, then a shift kit is all that is required. Costs about $5,000 in parts and labor. Compression on a stock 500hp 480 torque BBC jumps from 9.5 to 12 - rwhp typically is then rated at about 700 and torque screams to low 600's. For the same price on my 350Z I can do about this much. On electronic engines it typically includes New tires CAI high compression fuel injector Switch out to performance turbos Octane tuning 103 Transcooler headers/exhaust high perf. clutch Hux shift kit Oil cooling system Aluminum pulley system New trans HP jumps to about 550, torque in the high 300's. It runs a 10.7 at the track. But it retains decent gas mileage and I can daily drive it, unlike my Monte or Chevelle.

fissionfusion

Read the original argument.

Stock 454 Chevelle will lose to a stockGT-R. Nothing new about that. But it is when I throw in the whole kit-n-kaboodle I still lose to abarely modifiedGT-R. The reason why isn't because the cars don't drive originally like they should, it's that the upgrades do not properly reflect true numbers, which is why as a sim - it sucks.AChevellewith slicks,higher rpm cam and exhaust upgrades will pump out numbers close to a stock GT-R in the real world. But in Forza 3, it doesn't. This to me means that I am wasting my time playing with something ill-representative or drag racing. GT5 is a whole different level of suck. Gorgeous game, but it is MILES behind Forza when it comes to actual performance simulation - which is sad because Forza's isn't that good. They spent a lot of time with track times and what not, but not nearly enough with mechanical techies who know 10x more about engines and performance than any racing organization does.

And this is why NFS: Shift, is better. In NFS, like reality, a 70 Challenger will embarass a GTR on a straight or at launch. But when that doesn't happen in a sim I am left puzzled, and then I realize it sucks so I trade it in and buy DR2.

Read the original argument.

Stock 454 Chevelle will lose to a stockGT-R. Nothing new about that. But it is when I throw in the whole kit-n-kaboodle I still lose to abarely modifiedGT-R. The reason why isn't because the cars don't drive originally like they should, it's that the upgrades do not properly reflect true numbers, which is why as a sim - it sucks.AChevellewith slicks,higher rpm cam and exhaust upgrades will pump out numbers close to a stock GT-R in the real world. But in Forza 3, it doesn't. This to me means that I am wasting my time playing with something ill-representative or drag racing. fissionfusion

So.... let me get this straight, you are saying that Shift is a better racing sim that Forza and GT5, just because it has slightly more accurate performance when comparing 2 or 3 cars?

ok. :roll:

"And AWD will always trump RWD when it comes to launch and acceleration"

I have never seen this, ever. I have been in and participated in over 50 races myself, and never has an AWD vehicle launched better than my Chevelle, or any other RWD for that matter. It cannot. If you can find one top 5 Drag Racing finalists in any national competition that is not RWD, I'll be impressed.

Why?

Because even though the game is not realistic in any sense, the competition between cars is.

In Forza 3 - AWD dominates the competition on track. In what world would a Chevelle SS 454 lose to a Nissan GT-R in a 1/4? Unless the Chevelle was straight stock, it wouldn't under any circumstance lose to a GT-R. It takes an 1100hp beast Civic SI to beat a 650hp Camaro in an et. So I can throw like $150,000 worth of upgrades on any import, but God forbid I want to throw on a blower...atleast I can get side pipes.

GT5 iseven worse, justabyssmal. A 1972 Monte Carlo having a worse launch than a Supra? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. There is a reason this car was BANNED from Nascar. Even it was a stock Monte 350with 2.43gears and 1500 stallit STILL would launch stronger than a Supra. In the king simulator, if you want to drive Muscle...don't bother buying this game - it sucks for muscle fanatics. Not even side pipes.

fissionfusion

[QUOTE="fissionfusion"]

Read the original argument.

Stock 454 Chevelle will lose to a stockGT-R. Nothing new about that. But it is when I throw in the whole kit-n-kaboodle I still lose to abarely modifiedGT-R. The reason why isn't because the cars don't drive originally like they should, it's that the upgrades do not properly reflect true numbers, which is why as a sim - it sucks.AChevellewith slicks,higher rpm cam and exhaust upgrades will pump out numbers close to a stock GT-R in the real world. But in Forza 3, it doesn't. This to me means that I am wasting my time playing with something ill-representative or drag racing. foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="fissionfusion"]

Why?

Because even though the game is not realistic in any sense, the competition between cars is.

In Forza 3 - AWD dominates the competition on track. In what world would a Chevelle SS 454 lose to a Nissan GT-R in a 1/4? Unless the Chevelle was straight stock, it wouldn't under any circumstance lose to a GT-R. It takes an 1100hp beast Civic SI to beat a 650hp Camaro in an et. So I can throw like $150,000 worth of upgrades on any import, but God forbid I want to throw on a blower...atleast I can get side pipes.

GT5 iseven worse, justabyssmal. A 1972 Monte Carlo having a worse launch than a Supra? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. There is a reason this car was BANNED from Nascar. Even it was a stock Monte 350with 2.43gears and 1500 stallit STILL would launch stronger than a Supra. In the king simulator, if you want to drive Muscle...don't bother buying this game - it sucks for muscle fanatics. Not even side pipes.

ermacness

No one cares about Ford. Outside of thei 9 1/2's they haven't produced anything worthwhile.

"And AWD will always trump RWD when it comes to launch and acceleration"

I have never seen this, ever. I have been in and participated in over 50 races myself, and never has an AWD vehicle launched better than my Chevelle, or any other RWD for that matter. It cannot. If you can find one top 5 Drag Racing finalists in any national competition that is not RWD, I'll be impressed.

fissionfusion

EAT YOUR HEART OUT!!!

[QUOTE="ermacness"]

[QUOTE="fissionfusion"]

Why?

Because even though the game is not realistic in any sense, the competition between cars is.

In Forza 3 - AWD dominates the competition on track. In what world would a Chevelle SS 454 lose to a Nissan GT-R in a 1/4? Unless the Chevelle was straight stock, it wouldn't under any circumstance lose to a GT-R. It takes an 1100hp beast Civic SI to beat a 650hp Camaro in an et. So I can throw like $150,000 worth of upgrades on any import, but God forbid I want to throw on a blower...atleast I can get side pipes.

GT5 iseven worse, justabyssmal. A 1972 Monte Carlo having a worse launch than a Supra? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. There is a reason this car was BANNED from Nascar. Even it was a stock Monte 350with 2.43gears and 1500 stallit STILL would launch stronger than a Supra. In the king simulator, if you want to drive Muscle...don't bother buying this game - it sucks for muscle fanatics. Not even side pipes.

fissionfusion

No one cares about Ford. Outside of thei 9 1/2's they haven't produced anything worthwhile.

"And AWD will always trump RWD when it comes to launch and acceleration"

I have never seen this, ever. I have been in and participated in over 50 races myself, and never has an AWD vehicle launched better than my Chevelle, or any other RWD for that matter. It cannot. If you can find one top 5 Drag Racing finalists in any national competition that is not RWD, I'll be impressed.

fissionfusion

THat is because you use drag-tires, these games try to simulate road tires or at most slicks. Which are designed for cornering grip. Yes, when you use drag tires an AWD vehicle will just bog down because of to much grip and lose on a roll because of drivetrain losses. But when drag racing with road tires a 600hp RWD vehicle will almost always lose to a 600hp AWD vehicle through the 1/4 mile from a standing start.

[QUOTE="fissionfusion"]

"And AWD will always trump RWD when it comes to launch and acceleration"

I have never seen this, ever. I have been in and participated in over 50 races myself, and never has an AWD vehicle launched better than my Chevelle, or any other RWD for that matter. It cannot. If you can find one top 5 Drag Racing finalists in any national competition that is not RWD, I'll be impressed.

ermacness

EAT YOUR HEART OUT!!!

Those were pathetic launches to begin with...and you guys keep showing me stock garbage. Yes, Turn 10 and maybe even Polyphony got it right when it comes to stock.

Here is what a RWD launch looks like. You will not find an AWD that has a prayer in producing anything like this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5PAd4BBQM8&feature=related

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

[QUOTE="fissionfusion"]

Read the original argument.

Stock 454 Chevelle will lose to a stockGT-R. Nothing new about that. But it is when I throw in the whole kit-n-kaboodle I still lose to abarely modifiedGT-R. The reason why isn't because the cars don't drive originally like they should, it's that the upgrades do not properly reflect true numbers, which is why as a sim - it sucks.AChevellewith slicks,higher rpm cam and exhaust upgrades will pump out numbers close to a stock GT-R in the real world. But in Forza 3, it doesn't. This to me means that I am wasting my time playing with something ill-representative or drag racing. fissionfusion

If you know what you're talking about then you also must have noticed the tires under that Chevelle. Which where full on drag-tires which are not road worthy and not featured in game like Gran Turismo. So ofcourse a 1000hp car with drag tires is faster than a 700hp supercar on Michelin Pilet-Sport 2 tires through the 1/4 mile.

The Veyron has actually been tested @ 10.1, with road worthy street tires.

[QUOTE="fissionfusion"]

[QUOTE="ermacness"]Do you even know how fast a stock GT-R run in a 1/4 mile? Let's just put it like this: The SLOWEST i ever seen a stock GT-R run in a 1/4 mile is 12.0 sec. If i'm not mistaken, even a stock V8 supercharged GT 500 will have trouble beating it in a 1/4 mile.

No one cares about Ford. Outside of thei 9 1/2's they haven't produced anything worthwhile.

[QUOTE="ermacness"]

[QUOTE="fissionfusion"]

"And AWD will always trump RWD when it comes to launch and acceleration"

I have never seen this, ever. I have been in and participated in over 50 races myself, and never has an AWD vehicle launched better than my Chevelle, or any other RWD for that matter. It cannot. If you can find one top 5 Drag Racing finalists in any national competition that is not RWD, I'll be impressed.

fissionfusion

EAT YOUR HEART OUT!!!

Those were pathetic launches to begin with...and you guys keep showing me stock garbage. Yes, Turn 10 and maybe even Polyphony got it right when it comes to stock.

Here is what a RWD launch looks like. You will not find an AWD that has a prayer in producing anything like this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5PAd4BBQM8&feature=related

Again with drag tires.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xqZYCSh1Y0

This is a 1000hp Viper trying to keep up with an AWD 911 from a standing start on normal street tires..

[QUOTE="ermacness"]

[QUOTE="fissionfusion"]

"And AWD will always trump RWD when it comes to launch and acceleration"

I have never seen this, ever. I have been in and participated in over 50 races myself, and never has an AWD vehicle launched better than my Chevelle, or any other RWD for that matter. It cannot. If you can find one top 5 Drag Racing finalists in any national competition that is not RWD, I'll be impressed.

fissionfusion

EAT YOUR HEART OUT!!!

Those were pathetic launches to begin with...and you guys keep showing me stock garbage. Yes, Turn 10 and maybe even Polyphony got it right when it comes to stock.

Here is what a RWD launch looks like. You will not find an AWD that has a prayer in producing anything like this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5PAd4BBQM8&feature=related

[QUOTE="ermacness"]

[QUOTE="fissionfusion"]

No one cares about Ford. Outside of thei 9 1/2's they haven't produced anything worthwhile.

fissionfusion

Anything? How about F1,WRC,WTCC,Le Mans and dozens of other competitions? You know,the ones that really matter.

[QUOTE="ermacness"]

[QUOTE="fissionfusion"]

No one cares about Ford. Outside of thei 9 1/2's they haven't produced anything worthwhile.

fissionfusion

[QUOTE="fissionfusion"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]
You need to do more than just slap parts in to get better numbers in Forza 3. You have to tune suspension, differential, transmission ratio and braking balance.

Like you said, a stock 454-SS can't beat a GT-R. And the parts in FM3 aren't going to be completely representative of those found in real life. The fact you are expecting 1-1 recreation in a video game shows me you have no sense of what a racing sim is trying to achieve and is capable of achieving. We are still decades behind a true-to-life recreation.

And AWD will always trump RWD when it comes to launch and acceleration. Though, it will limit top speed and possibly increase under-steer in cornering. Muscle doesn't always trump technology. You obviously haven't learned this yet.

Not to mention the fact that driver ability plays into better numbers way more than any tuning or parts will ever.

Heyhuub

If you know what you're talking about then you also must have noticed the tires under that Chevelle. Which where full on drag-tires which are not road worthy and not featured in game like Gran Turismo. So ofcourse a 1000hp car with drag tires is faster than a 700hp supercar on Michelin Pilet-Sport 2 tires through the 1/4 mile.

The Veyron has actually been tested @ 10.1, with road worthy street tires.

Why?

Because even though the game is not realistic in any sense, fissionfusion

And there goes that argument.

[QUOTE="Heyhuub"]

[QUOTE="fissionfusion"] I am very aware of that. I do this for a living. And muscle, on a straight line, will always trump technology. A $40,000 invested 70 Chevelle will put out numbers that a Pagani Zonda cannot produce. Proof? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvwMi5Y9FcU NON BLOWN CHEVELLE running an 8.6 (non blown means the engine is still NA) Pagani Zonda failing at 10.4 http://www.dragtimes.com/Pagani--Zonda-Drag-Racing.html Bugatti Veyron failing at 10.3 http://www.bugattipage.com/ride.htm $100,000 and it will be the world's fastest car. I know what I am talking about. Game developers sadly, do not.

fissionfusion

If you know what you're talking about then you also must have noticed the tires under that Chevelle. Which where full on drag-tires which are not road worthy and not featured in game like Gran Turismo. So ofcourse a 1000hp car with drag tires is faster than a 700hp supercar on Michelin Pilet-Sport 2 tires through the 1/4 mile.

The Veyron has actually been tested @ 10.1, with road worthy street tires.

Well they don't claim to be drag-racing simulators now do they, otherwise they would feature drag racing tires? They claim to be driving/track-racing simulators with the use performance/slick tires, tires that make launching an 800rwhp car off the line very hard.

[QUOTE="fissionfusion"]

[QUOTE="Heyhuub"]

If you know what you're talking about then you also must have noticed the tires under that Chevelle. Which where full on drag-tires which are not road worthy and not featured in game like Gran Turismo. So ofcourse a 1000hp car with drag tires is faster than a 700hp supercar on Michelin Pilet-Sport 2 tires through the 1/4 mile.

The Veyron has actually been tested @ 10.1, with road worthy street tires.

Heyhuub

Well they don't claim to be drag-racing simulators now do they, otherwise they would feature drag racing tires? They claim to be driving/track-racing simulators with the use performance/slick tires, tires that make launching an 800rwhp car off the line very hard.

What muscle car do you know with a 3k+ stall can't throw enough weight onto any tires for a solid launch? Like I said, the poor performance I get from upgrades in both games is not translatable to real life.

i cant believe this thread is still going.

Where do you people come from? This doesnt make any sence, Im very sorry I cant contribute more than that.

D1zzyCriminal

Neither did your spelling of the word, make any senSe :P

What muscle car do you know with a 3k+ stall can't throw enough weight onto any tires for a solid launch? Like I said, the poor performance I get from upgrades in both games is not translatable to real life.

Well maybe they aren't totally realistic in those places, for that i recommend pc-simulators. Maybe you'd like this, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBwXmaKal70

But on the other side, i can't think of a rwd car doing 9 seconds on street tires. There are however AWD cars that can do this.

What muscle car do you know with a 3k+ stall can't throw enough weight onto any tires for a solid launch? Like I said, the poor performance I get from upgrades in both games is not translatable to real life.

Well maybe they aren't totally realistic in those places, for that i recommend pc-simulators. Maybe you'd like this, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBwXmaKal70

But on the other side, i can't think of a rwd car doing 9 seconds on street tires. There are however AWD cars that can do this.

[QUOTE="Heyhuub"]

What muscle car do you know with a 3k+ stall can't throw enough weight onto any tires for a solid launch? Like I said, the poor performance I get from upgrades in both games is not translatable to real life.

fissionfusion

Well maybe they aren't totally realistic in those places, for that i recommend pc-simulators. Maybe you'd like this, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBwXmaKal70

But on the other side, i can't think of a rwd car doing 9 seconds on street tires. There are however AWD cars that can do this.

That's Live for Speed for the PC. Though you need a certain version and modtool to edit the cars into those figures.

Muscle cars have to be the most boring and ugly type of cars.. bleh!

[QUOTE="Heyhuub"]

[QUOTE="fissionfusion"] I am very aware of that. I do this for a living. And muscle, on a straight line, will always trump technology. A $40,000 invested 70 Chevelle will put out numbers that a Pagani Zonda cannot produce. Proof? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvwMi5Y9FcU NON BLOWN CHEVELLE running an 8.6 (non blown means the engine is still NA) Pagani Zonda failing at 10.4 http://www.dragtimes.com/Pagani--Zonda-Drag-Racing.html Bugatti Veyron failing at 10.3 http://www.bugattipage.com/ride.htm $100,000 and it will be the world's fastest car. I know what I am talking about. Game developers sadly, do not.

fissionfusion

If you know what you're talking about then you also must have noticed the tires under that Chevelle. Which where full on drag-tires which are not road worthy and not featured in game like Gran Turismo. So ofcourse a 1000hp car with drag tires is faster than a 700hp supercar on Michelin Pilet-Sport 2 tires through the 1/4 mile.

The Veyron has actually been tested @ 10.1, with road worthy street tires.