Net2 the biggest threat to PS3?

Digitially distributed hi-def movie downloads in less than 10 minutes? HDDVD vs BluRAY is surely irrelevant?

Now you've just got a really expensive redundant drive in the PS3. How long before Sony drops BluRAY given that DD is here, now?

Digitially distributed hi-def movie downloads in less than 10 minutes? HDDVD vs BluRAY is surely irrelevant?

Now you've just got a really expensive redundant drive in the PS3. How long before Sony drops BluRAY given that DD is here, now?

tcarruth

Net2 is scheduled for a 2008 release I think. However, it wont become mainstream for years simply because the infrastructure is not mature yet. Only in certain areas of America will it be possible for Internet2 to flourish. Look to the big tech companies to try to utilize this first (mainly MS and Google) 

[QUOTE="tcarruth"]

Digitially distributed hi-def movie downloads in less than 10 minutes? HDDVD vs BluRAY is surely irrelevant?

Now you've just got a really expensive redundant drive in the PS3. How long before Sony drops BluRAY given that DD is here, now?

rappid_rabbit

Net2 is scheduled for a 2008 release I think. However, it wont become mainstream for years simply because the infrastructure is not mature yet. Only in certain areas of America will it be possible for Internet2 to flourish. Look to the big tech companies to try to utilize this first (mainly MS and Google) 

I was under the impression that Japan and Europe would see the start of the technology before the end of the year. Could be wrong though..

            Indeed, I have been saying this for a year now - you can mark my words; BR will do more damage to Sony than the whole Betamax fiasco !

            They need only cut the losses now, remove BR from PS3, insert DVD9 and price it at $349.99 and I'm there along with 100 mil.  others all saying Mooooo in harmony ;)

Digitially distributed hi-def movie downloads in less than 10 minutes? HDDVD vs BluRAY is surely irrelevant?

Now you've just got a really expensive redundant drive in the PS3. How long before Sony drops BluRAY given that DD is here, now?

tcarruth

Um, what? How does this affect me again? I didn't buy my PS3 to play movies. I like BD as a storage medium for gaming, at the moment I couldn't care less about which format wins in terms of DVD sales. To top it all off, I own a gaming PC and I always will. Sounds like the best of both worlds to me. 

            Indeed, I have been saying this for a year now - you can mark my words; BR will do more damage to Sony than the whole Betamax fiasco !

            They need only cut the losses now, remove BR from PS3, insert DVD9 and price it at $349.99 and I'm there along with 100 mil.  others all saying Mooooo in harmony ;)

SecretPolice

Its actually strange they didn't go for this in the first place. Instead of developing and including the BluRAY player they could have set up an awesome online store and sold games and movies.. I guess that requires an internet connection for sure. They could have also spent a bit more money on the GPU.

even sony said that their next playstation wouldn't use disc media and would be using digital distribution. it's going to happen and br will just be a speed-bump in the road.

Digitially distributed hi-def movie downloads in less than 10 minutes? HDDVD vs BluRAY is surely irrelevant?

Now you've just got a really expensive redundant drive in the PS3. How long before Sony drops BluRAY given that DD is here, now?

tcarruth

DD doesnt hurt the movie BUYING market, it hurts the movie RENTING market.  Movie buyers who like to own movies are still the majority over people who download movies.  People still love collectors box sets and still love to display their movie collection.  As long as we still have movie owners and movie collecters DD will never take over.  Nobody wants all their collection in one place to crash or get lost.

Blu ray is still safe and DD has blockbuster in its sites not the PS3.

[QUOTE="tcarruth"]

Digitially distributed hi-def movie downloads in less than 10 minutes? HDDVD vs BluRAY is surely irrelevant?

Now you've just got a really expensive redundant drive in the PS3. How long before Sony drops BluRAY given that DD is here, now?

XL83

Um, what? How does this affect me again? I didn't buy my PS3 to play movies. I like BD as a storage medium for gaming, at the moment I couldn't care less about which format wins in terms of DVD sales. To top it all off, I own a gaming PC and I always will. Sounds like the best of both worlds to me. 

I don't get it, you didn't buy your PS3 to play movies? What did you buy it for? ;) (takes system wars hat off). Seriously though, the comment was just that if you can obtain hi def movies and games over the net, in less time than it takes you to go to the shops, sony have a problem and MS don't. I'm like you though, I don't care all that much since I'm a PC gamer that enjoys some of the benefits of consoles..

even sony said that their next playstation wouldn't use disc media and would be using digital distribution. it's going to happen and br will just be a speed-bump in the road.

 

Ontain

No they said most likely this may be the last media format war, they never claimed that the PS4 would not use a media storage.  The truth is gaming would never go that route because most gamers last gen didnt play online and this gen has yet to prove that most gamers are gonna jump online for the majority of their gaming.  In order for a system to have no disc media every gamer would have to have thier system plugged into the internet.  That would be isolating millions of users that had not interest in doing that and still have yet to show interest.

Either you downoad the movie onto a hardrive:  Hardrives get full, things can be erased, no tangible.  Or, you can stream the video:  bandwidth issues, pixel glitches, and compression heavy.

So, why are HD-DVD and Blu-ray irrelevant??  They aren't.  One of them, or another form of high capacity disc media, will be the future in movies and gaming.

Compression does NOT = quality!!!!

Either you downoad the movie onto a hardrive:  Hardrives get full, things can be erased, no tangible.  Or, you can stream the video:  bandwidth issues, pixel glitches, and compression heavy.

So, why are HD-DVD and Blu-ray irrelevant??  They aren't.  One of them, or another form of high capacity disc media, will be the future in movies and gaming.

Compression does NOT = quality!!!!

dubvisions

if you can download an uncompressed HD movie in less time than it takes to play (i.e. stream) then why do you need compression (the point of my title)?

Also haven't you heard of lossless compression?

Indeed, I have been saying this for a year now - you can mark my words; BR will do more damage to Sony than the whole Betamax fiasco !

They need only cut the losses now, remove BR from PS3, insert DVD9 and price it at $349.99 and I'm there along with 100 mil. others all saying Mooooo in harmony ;)

SecretPolice

Sony made a profit off of the "Betamax fiasco".  The format was very successful as a professional video format.  In fact, derivatives of the Beta are still in use today. 

[QUOTE="XL83"][QUOTE="tcarruth"]

Digitially distributed hi-def movie downloads in less than 10 minutes? HDDVD vs BluRAY is surely irrelevant?

Now you've just got a really expensive redundant drive in the PS3. How long before Sony drops BluRAY given that DD is here, now?

tcarruth

Um, what? How does this affect me again? I didn't buy my PS3 to play movies. I like BD as a storage medium for gaming, at the moment I couldn't care less about which format wins in terms of DVD sales. To top it all off, I own a gaming PC and I always will. Sounds like the best of both worlds to me. 

I don't get it, you didn't buy your PS3 to play movies? What did you buy it for? ;) (takes system wars hat off). Seriously though, the comment was just that if you can obtain hi def movies and games over the net, in less time than it takes you to go to the shops, sony have a problem and MS don't. I'm like you though, I don't care all that much since I'm a PC gamer that enjoys some of the benefits of consoles..

as for hurting HD format sales. i dont see it hurting them at all. hard drives get filled up fast with HD content. so the constumer has 2 options, go buy the hard copy version of the movie, or delete a movie so i can dl the next one if the hard drive is to full to dl.

and also why would HD DVD camp and BLu ray camp spend so much money on promotion if digi dl was the way of the future?  its pretty obvious both camps feel that digi dl is not a threat to them for a long time. i do not think they are dumb just to throw money into something that will fail any time soon.

[QUOTE="Ontain"]

even sony said that their next playstation wouldn't use disc media and would be using digital distribution. it's going to happen and br will just be a speed-bump in the road.

 

Javy03

No they said most likely this may be the last media format war, they never claimed that the PS4 would not use a media storage. The truth is gaming would never go that route because most gamers last gen didnt play online and this gen has yet to prove that most gamers are gonna jump online for the majority of their gaming. In order for a system to have no disc media every gamer would have to have thier system plugged into the internet. That would be isolating millions of users that had not interest in doing that and still have yet to show interest.

Agreed. I love online games, and have played them from the Doom, Quake, and Ultima Online days, to the Counter-Strike, Battlefield, World of Warcraft days, yet I still don't want everything to be online. I buy a console so I don't have to deal with online being necessary, upgrading and patching all the time, etc. It's convenient. I think it's completely obnoxious when games with offline components more or less force you to be online to play them (Battlefield, Half Life 2). An internet connection is a given in almost every home in the modern world, but it's not a given that I'm going to be home, or my internet connection will be working, etc. If anything, making games tilt to the online side of things makes devs lazier when it comes to creating groundbreaking new games. Instead of coming up with completely new, raw innovation, a dev can just make an online version of the last game, and people will swallow it up. 

[QUOTE="tcarruth"][QUOTE="XL83"][QUOTE="tcarruth"]

Digitially distributed hi-def movie downloads in less than 10 minutes? HDDVD vs BluRAY is surely irrelevant?

Now you've just got a really expensive redundant drive in the PS3. How long before Sony drops BluRAY given that DD is here, now?

alfy13

Um, what? How does this affect me again? I didn't buy my PS3 to play movies. I like BD as a storage medium for gaming, at the moment I couldn't care less about which format wins in terms of DVD sales. To top it all off, I own a gaming PC and I always will. Sounds like the best of both worlds to me. 

I don't get it, you didn't buy your PS3 to play movies? What did you buy it for? ;) (takes system wars hat off). Seriously though, the comment was just that if you can obtain hi def movies and games over the net, in less time than it takes you to go to the shops, sony have a problem and MS don't. I'm like you though, I don't care all that much since I'm a PC gamer that enjoys some of the benefits of consoles..

as for hurting HD format sales. i dont see it hurting them at all. hard drives get filled up fast with HD content. so the constumer has 2 options, go buy the hard copy version of the movie, or delete a movie so i can dl the next one if the hard drive is to full to dl.

You need to read about Digital distribution (DD). You can own rights to stream an HD movie from a server whenever you want. Rather than being in the same location as your console (ie in the BluRAY drive) it is down a longer piece of cable sitting on a servers hard drive. It never goes away, is degraded etc. This is already happening in Japan (which is often a good predictor of technology uptake in other countries). The 360 is less hampered by the shift to DD because A) its DVD drive costs about ~$20 instead of $300 of BluRAY which may needlessly add cost to its competitor and B) MS already uses DD.

[QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="tcarruth"][QUOTE="XL83"][QUOTE="tcarruth"]

Digitially distributed hi-def movie downloads in less than 10 minutes? HDDVD vs BluRAY is surely irrelevant?

Now you've just got a really expensive redundant drive in the PS3. How long before Sony drops BluRAY given that DD is here, now?

tcarruth

Um, what? How does this affect me again? I didn't buy my PS3 to play movies. I like BD as a storage medium for gaming, at the moment I couldn't care less about which format wins in terms of DVD sales. To top it all off, I own a gaming PC and I always will. Sounds like the best of both worlds to me.

I don't get it, you didn't buy your PS3 to play movies? What did you buy it for? ;) (takes system wars hat off). Seriously though, the comment was just that if you can obtain hi def movies and games over the net, in less time than it takes you to go to the shops, sony have a problem and MS don't. I'm like you though, I don't care all that much since I'm a PC gamer that enjoys some of the benefits of consoles..

as for hurting HD format sales. i dont see it hurting them at all. hard drives get filled up fast with HD content. so the constumer has 2 options, go buy the hard copy version of the movie, or delete a movie so i can dl the next one if the hard drive is to full to dl.

You need to read about Digital distribution (DD). You can own rights to stream an HD movie from a server whenever you want. Rather than being in the same location as your console (ie in the BluRAY drive) it is down a longer piece of cable sitting on a servers hard drive. It never goes away, is degraded etc. This is already happening in Japan (which is often a good predictor of technology uptake in other countries). The 360 is less hampered by the shift to DD because A) its DVD drive costs about ~$20 instead of $300 of BluRAY which may needlessly add cost to its competitor and B) MS already uses DD.

The fact that it's already happening in Japan is a pointless comparison.  Japan is much smaller than the US and people are far more confined to urban centers which don't require a lot of infrastructure.  The US is far more spread out.  Even some of our larger cities such as Los Angeles, Houston, Dallas-Fort Worth, Atlanta, etc. are sprawling cities with massive suburban smaller cities surrounding them.  The geographics of the US don't lend well to digital distribution over a new internet technology.  DSL and Broadband are still lacking in this country.   In addition the move to HD alone is confusing enough for many people, and now you want to convince them that they should also download those movies as well.   That will be a tough sell to stubborn Americans. 

[QUOTE="dubvisions"]

Either you downoad the movie onto a hardrive:  Hardrives get full, things can be erased, no tangible.  Or, you can stream the video:  bandwidth issues, pixel glitches, and compression heavy.

So, why are HD-DVD and Blu-ray irrelevant??  They aren't.  One of them, or another form of high capacity disc media, will be the future in movies and gaming.

Compression does NOT = quality!!!!

tcarruth

if you can download an uncompressed HD movie in less time than it takes to play (i.e. stream) then why do you need compression (the point of my title)?

Also haven't you heard of lossless compression?

You won't be able to download or stream an HD quality movie and have the same performance as a disk.  You can't!!!  And do you really think they're going to have you download uncompressed content?????  Get a clue.

[QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="tcarruth"][QUOTE="XL83"][QUOTE="tcarruth"]

Digitially distributed hi-def movie downloads in less than 10 minutes? HDDVD vs BluRAY is surely irrelevant?

Now you've just got a really expensive redundant drive in the PS3. How long before Sony drops BluRAY given that DD is here, now?

tcarruth

Um, what? How does this affect me again? I didn't buy my PS3 to play movies. I like BD as a storage medium for gaming, at the moment I couldn't care less about which format wins in terms of DVD sales. To top it all off, I own a gaming PC and I always will. Sounds like the best of both worlds to me. 

I don't get it, you didn't buy your PS3 to play movies? What did you buy it for? ;) (takes system wars hat off). Seriously though, the comment was just that if you can obtain hi def movies and games over the net, in less time than it takes you to go to the shops, sony have a problem and MS don't. I'm like you though, I don't care all that much since I'm a PC gamer that enjoys some of the benefits of consoles..

as for hurting HD format sales. i dont see it hurting them at all. hard drives get filled up fast with HD content. so the constumer has 2 options, go buy the hard copy version of the movie, or delete a movie so i can dl the next one if the hard drive is to full to dl.

You need to read about Digital distribution (DD). You can own rights to stream an HD movie from a server whenever you want. Rather than being in the same location as your console (ie in the BluRAY drive) it is down a longer piece of cable sitting on a servers hard drive. It never goes away, is degraded etc. This is already happening in Japan (which is often a good predictor of technology uptake in other countries). The 360 is less hampered by the shift to DD because A) its DVD drive costs about ~$20 instead of $300 of BluRAY which may needlessly add cost to its competitor and B) MS already uses DD.

also im fron okinawa japan. i can tell you this Blu ray sales are high here, we love to buy movies . and since we love book stores so much, they also sale movies their. i know you are hoping this will hurt blu ray, but i can tell you this. digi dl is not going to the main stream for a very long time. even in japan its not the main stream like you say it is. but then again y ou probably never lived their to know.

[QUOTE="tcarruth"][QUOTE="dubvisions"]

Either you downoad the movie onto a hardrive:  Hardrives get full, things can be erased, no tangible.  Or, you can stream the video:  bandwidth issues, pixel glitches, and compression heavy.

So, why are HD-DVD and Blu-ray irrelevant??  They aren't.  One of them, or another form of high capacity disc media, will be the future in movies and gaming.

Compression does NOT = quality!!!!

dubvisions

if you can download an uncompressed HD movie in less time than it takes to play (i.e. stream) then why do you need compression (the point of my title)?

Also haven't you heard of lossless compression?

You won't be able to download or stream an HD quality movie and have the same performance as a disk.  You can't!!!  And do you really think they're going to have you download uncompressed content?????  Get a clue.

Get a clue? I think its nap time already!

Check the maximum transfer speeds Mbits/sec of BluRAY and Net2 and get back to me. And yes, the speeds are easily enough to download 20GB of data in a third the time it takes to watch a movie.  You are talking from fallous gut instinct. Educate yourself before you are rude to others.

[QUOTE="tcarruth"][QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="tcarruth"][QUOTE="XL83"][QUOTE="tcarruth"]

Digitially distributed hi-def movie downloads in less than 10 minutes? HDDVD vs BluRAY is surely irrelevant?

Now you've just got a really expensive redundant drive in the PS3. How long before Sony drops BluRAY given that DD is here, now?

alfy13

Um, what? How does this affect me again? I didn't buy my PS3 to play movies. I like BD as a storage medium for gaming, at the moment I couldn't care less about which format wins in terms of DVD sales. To top it all off, I own a gaming PC and I always will. Sounds like the best of both worlds to me. 

I don't get it, you didn't buy your PS3 to play movies? What did you buy it for? ;) (takes system wars hat off). Seriously though, the comment was just that if you can obtain hi def movies and games over the net, in less time than it takes you to go to the shops, sony have a problem and MS don't. I'm like you though, I don't care all that much since I'm a PC gamer that enjoys some of the benefits of consoles..

as for hurting HD format sales. i dont see it hurting them at all. hard drives get filled up fast with HD content. so the constumer has 2 options, go buy the hard copy version of the movie, or delete a movie so i can dl the next one if the hard drive is to full to dl.

You need to read about Digital distribution (DD). You can own rights to stream an HD movie from a server whenever you want. Rather than being in the same location as your console (ie in the BluRAY drive) it is down a longer piece of cable sitting on a servers hard drive. It never goes away, is degraded etc. This is already happening in Japan (which is often a good predictor of technology uptake in other countries). The 360 is less hampered by the shift to DD because A) its DVD drive costs about ~$20 instead of $300 of BluRAY which may needlessly add cost to its competitor and B) MS already uses DD.

also im fron okinawa japan. i can tell you this Blu ray sales are high here, we love to buy movies . and since we love book stores so much, they also sale movies their. i know you are hoping this will hurt blu ray, but i can tell you this. digi dl is not going to the main stream for a very long time. even in japan its not the main stream like you say it is. but then again y ou probably never lived their to know.

Again, why the misinterpretation? I merely said that DD is being used in Japan. I suppose I was seeing things whilst I attended a conference in Tokyo last year? Everyone from the unversity was streaming 720p movies off the university web site. I didn't say it was used by everyone and didn't make any indication of how main stream it is. I was saying that it is possible and frankly more elegant than a scratchable disk you put in you console. The only way you can disaggree with my previous post is if you believe that DD is not the way of the future or that the technology does not exist today.

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

Indeed, I have been saying this for a year now - you can mark my words; BR will do more damage to Sony than the whole Betamax fiasco !

They need only cut the losses now, remove BR from PS3, insert DVD9 and price it at $349.99 and I'm there along with 100 mil. others all saying Mooooo in harmony ;)

ramey70

Sony made a profit off of the "Betamax fiasco".  The format was very successful as a professional video format.  In fact, derivatives of the Beta are still in use today. 

       I supose if Sony makes a penny on BR in the long run it too will be considered a great prize for stockholders - NOT !

Okay I guess you would call " Betamax a Successful venture " but in " fact " Sony stockholders did and do not ! I mean really - VHS format was the " Fiasco " in you're mind; correct ?

I supose if Sony makes a penny on BR in the long run it too will be considered a great prize for stockholders - NOT !

SecretPolice

Neither were a fiasco. Betamax made sizeable profits for Sony and VHS made sizeable profits for JVC.

Sony made a profit off of the "Betamax fiasco". The format was very successful as a professional video format. In fact, derivatives of the Beta are still in use today.  For the life of me I still can't figure out why people here thank that if something isn't as successful as a competing product or company it is then a failure or bust by default.

[QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="tcarruth"][QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="tcarruth"][QUOTE="XL83"][QUOTE="tcarruth"]

Digitially distributed hi-def movie downloads in less than 10 minutes? HDDVD vs BluRAY is surely irrelevant?

Now you've just got a really expensive redundant drive in the PS3. How long before Sony drops BluRAY given that DD is here, now?

tcarruth

Um, what? How does this affect me again? I didn't buy my PS3 to play movies. I like BD as a storage medium for gaming, at the moment I couldn't care less about which format wins in terms of DVD sales. To top it all off, I own a gaming PC and I always will. Sounds like the best of both worlds to me. 

I don't get it, you didn't buy your PS3 to play movies? What did you buy it for? ;) (takes system wars hat off). Seriously though, the comment was just that if you can obtain hi def movies and games over the net, in less time than it takes you to go to the shops, sony have a problem and MS don't. I'm like you though, I don't care all that much since I'm a PC gamer that enjoys some of the benefits of consoles..

as for hurting HD format sales. i dont see it hurting them at all. hard drives get filled up fast with HD content. so the constumer has 2 options, go buy the hard copy version of the movie, or delete a movie so i can dl the next one if the hard drive is to full to dl.

You need to read about Digital distribution (DD). You can own rights to stream an HD movie from a server whenever you want. Rather than being in the same location as your console (ie in the BluRAY drive) it is down a longer piece of cable sitting on a servers hard drive. It never goes away, is degraded etc. This is already happening in Japan (which is often a good predictor of technology uptake in other countries). The 360 is less hampered by the shift to DD because A) its DVD drive costs about ~$20 instead of $300 of BluRAY which may needlessly add cost to its competitor and B) MS already uses DD.

also im fron okinawa japan. i can tell you this Blu ray sales are high here, we love to buy movies . and since we love book stores so much, they also sale movies their. i know you are hoping this will hurt blu ray, but i can tell you this. digi dl is not going to the main stream for a very long time. even in japan its not the main stream like you say it is. but then again y ou probably never lived their to know.

Again, why the misinterpretation? I merely said that DD is being used in Japan. I suppose I was seeing things whilst I attended a conference in Tokyo last year? Everyone from the unversity was streaming 720p movies off the university web site. I didn't say it was used by everyone and didn't make any indication of how main stream it is. I was saying that it is possible and frankly more elegant than a scratchable disk you put in you console. The only way you can disaggree with my previous post is if you believe that DD is not the way of the future or that the technology does not exist today.

 2. im sorry for mis reading your post. i accept self ownage on my part.

DD will not be the norm for a long time period hell they haven't even switched to fiberoptic cables yet in the majority of the country and I am sure that is a requirement for speeds that net2 is suppose to supply. I highly doubt that those speeds are capable on copper wiring. So until then which will be aleast 10years from now if not longer.rebirthofman

the time it takes will be inversely related to how profitable it is. Remember it doesn't have to happen over cable, sky for example, already streams HD content around the world via satellite receivers.

            Fair enough I guess but in terms of expectations of profits as sold to the major stockholders; you would not still argue that " Betamax Fiasco " is somehow too harsh a term when speaking of the totality of the venture and the subsequent lower then expected profits would you?

            Sorry if the term offeded you - I was only stating it how most finacial news outlets have in the past and present.

Fair enough I guess but in terms of expectations of profits as sold to the major stockholders; you would not still argue that " Betamax Fiasco " is somehow too harsh a term when speaking of the totality of the venture and the subsequent lower then expected profits would you?

Sorry if the term offeded you - I was only stating it how most finacial news outlets have in the past and present.

SecretPolice

I don't think it returned as much yield as Sony wanted in regards to a consumer format.  But I think media sensationalism has blown the issue up over the years.  Especially when combined with other less than stellar Sony formats.  It makes a nice story, and that's usually the only thing important when "reporting" in the media today. 

[QUOTE="Ontain"]

even sony said that their next playstation wouldn't use disc media and would be using digital distribution. it's going to happen and br will just be a speed-bump in the road.

 

Javy03

No they said most likely this may be the last media format war, they never claimed that the PS4 would not use a media storage. The truth is gaming would never go that route because most gamers last gen didnt play online and this gen has yet to prove that most gamers are gonna jump online for the majority of their gaming. In order for a system to have no disc media every gamer would have to have thier system plugged into the internet. That would be isolating millions of users that had not interest in doing that and still have yet to show interest.

 oh really? 

here's what Phil Harrison said

" I'd be amazed if the PlayStation 4 has a physical disc drive."

http://kotaku.com/gaming/sony/forget-bluray-playstation-4-wont-play-actual-discs-192001.php 

[QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="Ontain"]

even sony said that their next playstation wouldn't use disc media and would be using digital distribution. it's going to happen and br will just be a speed-bump in the road.

 

Ontain

No they said most likely this may be the last media format war, they never claimed that the PS4 would not use a media storage. The truth is gaming would never go that route because most gamers last gen didnt play online and this gen has yet to prove that most gamers are gonna jump online for the majority of their gaming. In order for a system to have no disc media every gamer would have to have thier system plugged into the internet. That would be isolating millions of users that had not interest in doing that and still have yet to show interest.

oh really?

here's what Phil Harrison said

" I'd be amazed if the PlayStation 4 has a physical disc drive."

http://kotaku.com/gaming/sony/forget-bluray-playstation-4-wont-play-actual-discs-192001.php

That's not neccessarily the same thing as Sony stating with any certainty that their next console wouldn't use disc media.  And I'd hardly rely on anything a Sony rep says about features on future models considering they past overhyping and underdelivering problems. 

even sony said that their next playstation wouldn't use disc media and would be using digital distribution. it's going to happen and br will just be a speed-bump in the road.

 

Ontain

I would bet $100 tha the next PS uses some sort of storage medium. 

[QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="Ontain"]

even sony said that their next playstation wouldn't use disc media and would be using digital distribution. it's going to happen and br will just be a speed-bump in the road.

 

Ontain

No they said most likely this may be the last media format war, they never claimed that the PS4 would not use a media storage. The truth is gaming would never go that route because most gamers last gen didnt play online and this gen has yet to prove that most gamers are gonna jump online for the majority of their gaming. In order for a system to have no disc media every gamer would have to have thier system plugged into the internet. That would be isolating millions of users that had not interest in doing that and still have yet to show interest.

 oh really? 

here's what Phil Harrison said

" I'd be amazed if the PlayStation 4 has a physical disc drive."

http://kotaku.com/gaming/sony/forget-bluray-playstation-4-wont-play-actual-discs-192001.php 

and Phil Harrison, makes the PS's, no, he markets them.  He also said that the sixaxis couldnt do rumble and motion.  The truth is this gen will determine what the next consoles will look like and what games they will have.  Until everyone has access to broadband cable modems and everyone this gen plays online, I dont see gaming limiting itself to just the online players which so far are the minimum.

[QUOTE="Ontain"]

oh really?

here's what Phil Harrison said

" I'd be amazed if the PlayStation 4 has a physical disc drive."

http://kotaku.com/gaming/sony/forget-bluray-playstation-4-wont-play-actual-discs-192001.php

Javy03

and Phil Harrison, makes the PS's, no, he markets them. He also said that the sixaxis couldnt do rumble and motion. The truth is this gen will determine what the next consoles will look like and what games they will have. Until everyone has access to broadband cable modems and everyone this gen plays online, I dont see gaming limiting itself to just the online players which so far are the minimum.

 yes i'm sorry. clearly you know and have more influence on the ps4 than phil.  lets stop listening to Sony Reps and only listen to fanboys.

[QUOTE="Ontain"]

even sony said that their next playstation wouldn't use disc media and would be using digital distribution. it's going to happen and br will just be a speed-bump in the road.

 

snyper1982

I would bet $100 tha the next PS uses some sort of storage medium.

That's not neccessarily the same thing as Sony stating with any certainty that their next console wouldn't use disc media. And I'd hardly rely on anything a Sony rep says about features on future models considering they past overhyping and underdelivering problems.

ramey70

if we can't believe a sony rep about this why should we believe them that blu ray is going to be the movie media for the next 10 years?

[QUOTE="ramey70"]

That's not neccessarily the same thing as Sony stating with any certainty that their next console wouldn't use disc media. And I'd hardly rely on anything a Sony rep says about features on future models considering they past overhyping and underdelivering problems.

Ontain

if we can't believe a sony rep about this why should we believe them that blu ray is going to be the movie media for the next 10 years?

Apples and oranges.  Sony has a say in the next PS, they have zero say in what the next move format will be.  That's up to consumers. 

[QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="Ontain"]

oh really?

here's what Phil Harrison said

" I'd be amazed if the PlayStation 4 has a physical disc drive."

http://kotaku.com/gaming/sony/forget-bluray-playstation-4-wont-play-actual-discs-192001.php

Ontain

and Phil Harrison, makes the PS's, no, he markets them. He also said that the sixaxis couldnt do rumble and motion. The truth is this gen will determine what the next consoles will look like and what games they will have. Until everyone has access to broadband cable modems and everyone this gen plays online, I dont see gaming limiting itself to just the online players which so far are the minimum.

 yes i'm sorry. clearly you know and have more influence on the ps4 than phil.  lets stop listening to Sony Reps and only listen to fanboys.

Resorting to name calling, you do know according to gamepro that is actually a sign of being a fanboy, but I digress.  i never said listen to me.  I clearly have stated that this gen will determine what the consoles will look like next gen.  I am sure they have blue prints but they will add and take away things as they find out what is wanted and what isnt wanted after 4-5 years of failed or successful sales. 

As for my opinion on console being dependant on internet, is it that out there that you can't see my point?  Last gen the majority by alot didnt play online.  This gen still even on the 360 which is online oriented they are still at I believe a little more then half and thats counting silver accounts.  The PS3s online PSN still doesnt have half their gamers online.  So unless something drastic changes how can you invision a gen. where consoles are dependant on gamers having broad band and playing online when the majority still arent online.

My point is people had no problem discounting Phil Harrison's opinion on the sixaxis and rumble but he mentions that "I'd be amazed if the PS4 has a physical disc drive." and you jump on it like he actually is hands on on the PS4.  Its being invisioned and not made yet.  Heck even when the PS3 was announced and being made it went through many face lifts and spec changes.  To take an offhand comment from Phil like that on a console that wont be worked on for another 4-5 years to heart is just silly.

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

Fair enough I guess but in terms of expectations of profits as sold to the major stockholders; you would not still argue that " Betamax Fiasco " is somehow too harsh a term when speaking of the totality of the venture and the subsequent lower then expected profits would you?

Sorry if the term offeded you - I was only stating it how most finacial news outlets have in the past and present.

ramey70

I don't think it returned as much yield as Sony wanted in regards to a consumer format.  But I think media sensationalism has blown the issue up over the years.  Especially when combined with other less than stellar Sony formats.  It makes a nice story, and that's usually the only thing important when "reporting" in the media today. 

Hardly,

no one wants to download games or films. They like to stick them in a collection ^^

This entire 'slap games and film on the internet', is stupid.  It will put so many people out of jobs.

(People who work in places like HMV, Virgin, GAME & Gamestop.) Bleh, i wont support this trash.  Not to mention,  blu ray has the space.  I can admit it now... ¬_¬

Yes the PS3 drive is slow, but that space has some amazing audio in it.  My pioner xbox 360 sound set when plugged into my PS3 realy kicks it :D  Much better than the console it was made for...