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#1 Shawtymann
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What we have learned so far:

The protagonist's name is Niko Bellic, which we believe is Croatian or Serbian.

Multiplayer is set to be announced. You can use a cellphone to call your contacts.

Apparently there are no planes because there is only one city in the game.

You have a lot of choice over what you want to do. You still have to take orders from people during missions, but you can also choose how you want to spend your time, e.g "I want to hang out with him, or her... I want to go see this guy 'cause he always has something to do..."

The story unfolds in a number of different ways. R* is giving people more freedom, more choice and more sense of control over their destiny - the structure of the storyline is quite different to previous games. The demo which Game

Informer played was for the Xbox 360 version of the game

click here for the scans

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#2 nyoroism
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No planes? That was the only thing half-fun about that game.
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they said no planes because they played the demo version and they found no planes except the ones flying high in the sky
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I wonder if non-violence may be one of those methods of finishing a mission... so as to get those hounds off of Rockstar's back.

Sounds good... as long as that plane rumour turns out untrue I will most likely enjoy the game.
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#5 nyoroism
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they said no planes because they played the demo version and they found no planes except the ones flying high in the skyShawtymann
Oh, phew. The game is worth renting again! ..Hopefully.
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#6 gamespot813
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Sweet. More freedom is great to hear. I just hope you get to fly using cheats if there are no planes
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they said no planes because they played the demo version and they found no planes except the ones flying high in the skyShawtymann

 

hopefully, i loved flying planes in SA.

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What else did it say?Does anyone else have the mag?if so post on a image website where u can make it bigger and read it or just post more info u read aout it in the two pages
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It would be awesome if the buildings were destructible. Would be amazing. :)
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One city?  Thank GOD.
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Meh, I need more elaborated info.

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#12 Anoch20
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No planes = No SKYDIVING

WHICH REALLY SUX!!!

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Wait, only one city? Oh great, just wait for cows to start claiming "TEH LIMITATIONS OF DVD9!"
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Wait, only one city? Oh great, just wait for cows to start claiming "TEH LIMITATIONS OF DVD9!"mjarantilla

I'll start. Ahem...TEH LIMITATIONS OF DVD9!!!!!11!!111! shift+1

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Is there a Casino?

 

tell me there's a casino

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#16 rdo
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No planes = No SKYDIVING

WHICH REALLY SUX!!!

Anoch20
base jumping off the empire state building?
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#17 KAS3Y_JAM3Z
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It would be awesome if the buildings were destructible. Would be amazing. :)wapahala

 

That's a terrible idea...

 

it's in new york... 

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#18 KAS3Y_JAM3Z
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[QUOTE="Anoch20"]

No planes = No SKYDIVING

WHICH REALLY SUX!!!

rdo

base jumping off the empire state building?

 

That's what I was gunna say.

 

If there is no planes, then base jumping should be awesome too. I wanna base jump onto a bus, then blow up that bus. 

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#20 KAS3Y_JAM3Z
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[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]Wait, only one city? Oh great, just wait for cows to start claiming "TEH LIMITATIONS OF DVD9!"hellsing321

I'll start. Ahem...TEH LIMITATIONS OF DVD9!!!!!11!!111! shift+1

 

Well it's in new york, new york is huge. Why would they make more than once city?

 And what other city would they make? Albany? No way.

 

There is no other huge, signifigant cities in the area.  

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[QUOTE="hellsing321"]

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]Wait, only one city? Oh great, just wait for cows to start claiming "TEH LIMITATIONS OF DVD9!"KAS3Y_JAM3Z

I'll start. Ahem...TEH LIMITATIONS OF DVD9!!!!!11!!111! shift+1

Well it's in new york, new york is huge. Why would they make more than once city?

And what other city would they make? Albany? No way.

There is no other huge, signifigant cities in the area.

Personally, if they COULD have multiple cities, I would have New York, Washington D.C., and Boston. Kinda like how San Andreas had LA, San Francisco, and Las Vegas. I mean, they ARE using a fictional world.
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#22 -Purity
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That is exactly how Rockstar describes every GTA game before release.  "We give you more freedom to do things this way or that.." blah blah blah..not impressed so far..
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I'd rather have one full and complete city than SA's half-ass cities and brief country-side
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Wait, only one city? Oh great, just wait for cows to start claiming "TEH LIMITATIONS OF DVD9!"mjarantilla

 

Only one city? You shouldn't base the size and content of this particular city with the other entries in the series. They could provide a far bigger variety in this game then any other GTA with just one city.

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[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]Wait, only one city? Oh great, just wait for cows to start claiming "TEH LIMITATIONS OF DVD9!"StealthSting

Only one city? You shouldn't base the size and content of this particular city with the other entries in the series. They could provide a far bigger variety in this game then any other GTA with just one city.

No, I'm not judging GTA IV for having only one city. I'm saying that cows will start screaming "GTA IV was limited by the 360's DVD9-only capacity to one city, whereas if it was PS3-exclusive and thus on BluRay exclusively, it would've had THREE cities!"
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So now we make excuses for no planes. Yet Saints row, was a whole different story. Call your contacts, yeap done that already. Will we see more freedom, then Saints Row or Crackdown. Will there be online multiplayer or co-op. Will they fix the broken driving and shooting, you know like how Saints Row did. So far that game has the best driving and shooting mechanic of any sandbox game. I dont care how hot the graphics are, but if the driving and shooting isnt fixed it shouldnt get higher then Saints Row or even Crackdown.

And there bloody well be some effing orbs or this game is gonna be crap..

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Im going to go out on a limb and say AA.
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So now we make excuses for no planes. Yet Saints row, was a whole different story. Call your contacts, yeap done that already. Will we see more freedom, then Saints Row or Crackdown. Will there be online multiplayer or co-op. Will they fix the broken driving and shooting, you know like how Saints Row did. So far that game has the best driving and shooting mechanic of any sandbox game. I dont care how hot the graphics are, but if the driving and shooting isnt fixed it shouldnt get higher then Saints Row or even Crackdown.

And there bloody well be some effing orbs or this game is gonna be crap..

ps3-nikita
I agree. Saints Row fixed EVERYTHING that was wrong about GTA's gameplay. All it lacked were variety in vehicles, city size, and a story. But everything else GTA did, Saints Row did better.
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i love it how time after time people report this as new. while at least ten topics are there.. ten more will come.
Anyway, flying is a bit tricky in new york....... 911 anyone?
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[QUOTE="KAS3Y_JAM3Z"][QUOTE="hellsing321"]

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]Wait, only one city? Oh great, just wait for cows to start claiming "TEH LIMITATIONS OF DVD9!"mjarantilla

I'll start. Ahem...TEH LIMITATIONS OF DVD9!!!!!11!!111! shift+1

 

Well it's in new york, new york is huge. Why would they make more than once city?

And what other city would they make? Albany? No way.

 

There is no other huge, signifigant cities in the area.

Personally, if they COULD have multiple cities, I would have New York, Washington D.C., and Boston. Kinda like how San Andreas had LA, San Francisco, and Las Vegas. I mean, they ARE using a fictional world.

So now we make excuses for no planes. Yet Saints row, was a whole different story. Call your contacts, yeap done that already. Will we see more freedom, then Saints Row or Crackdown. Will there be online multiplayer or co-op. Will they fix the broken driving and shooting, you know like how Saints Row did. So far that game has the best driving and shooting mechanic of any sandbox game. I dont care how hot the graphics are, but if the driving and shooting isnt fixed it shouldnt get higher then Saints Row or even Crackdown.

And there bloody well be some effing orbs or this game is gonna be crap..

ps3-nikita

Saints Row and Crackdown were trash....seriously.....

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The only thing I do not like is the planes, but besides that I can't wait for this game.
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So now we make excuses for no planes. Yet Saints row, was a whole different story. Call your contacts, yeap done that already. Will we see more freedom, then Saints Row or Crackdown. Will there be online multiplayer or co-op. Will they fix the broken driving and shooting, you know like how Saints Row did. So far that game has the best driving and shooting mechanic of any sandbox game. I dont care how hot the graphics are, but if the driving and shooting isnt fixed it shouldnt get higher then Saints Row or even Crackdown.

And there bloody well be some effing orbs or this game is gonna be crap..

ps3-nikita

Saints Row and Crackdown were trash....seriously.....

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[QUOTE="ps3-nikita"]

So now we make excuses for no planes. Yet Saints row, was a whole different story. Call your contacts, yeap done that already. Will we see more freedom, then Saints Row or Crackdown. Will there be online multiplayer or co-op. Will they fix the broken driving and shooting, you know like how Saints Row did. So far that game has the best driving and shooting mechanic of any sandbox game. I dont care how hot the graphics are, but if the driving and shooting isnt fixed it shouldnt get higher then Saints Row or even Crackdown.

And there bloody well be some effing orbs or this game is gonna be crap..

mjarantilla

I agree. Saints Row fixed EVERYTHING that was wrong about GTA's gameplay. All it lacked were variety in vehicles, city size, and a story. But everything else GTA did, Saints Row did better.

Saints Row's mission were as boring as hell...

THe only fun one was when you were stuck in the church and had to fend off the Rollerz....

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[QUOTE="ps3-nikita"]

So now we make excuses for no planes. Yet Saints row, was a whole different story. Call your contacts, yeap done that already. Will we see more freedom, then Saints Row or Crackdown. Will there be online multiplayer or co-op. Will they fix the broken driving and shooting, you know like how Saints Row did. So far that game has the best driving and shooting mechanic of any sandbox game. I dont care how hot the graphics are, but if the driving and shooting isnt fixed it shouldnt get higher then Saints Row or even Crackdown.

And there bloody well be some effing orbs or this game is gonna be crap..

mjarantilla
I agree. Saints Row fixed EVERYTHING that was wrong about GTA's gameplay. All it lacked were variety in vehicles, city size, and a story. But everything else GTA did, Saints Row did better.

youd do realize you are comparing a next gen game to last gen right ? how do you expect to fix something when you dont have the hardware power to do so ? now GTA is next gen so just wait for the game to come out and watch it crap all over saints row. what limited saints row was that it was using havok engine and 360 cant really handle havok that well or entesive physics, thats why it has the unified architecture. they had to sacrifice GPU to get the engine running decent on the CPU. does anyone know what angine GTA4 is using ? i thought RAGE was just a graphics engine more like UE3.

and that pic on page 2 is nasty in the link
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[QUOTE="hellsing321"]

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]Wait, only one city? Oh great, just wait for cows to start claiming "TEH LIMITATIONS OF DVD9!"KAS3Y_JAM3Z

I'll start. Ahem...TEH LIMITATIONS OF DVD9!!!!!11!!111! shift+1

 

Well it's in new york, new york is huge. Why would they make more than once city?

And what other city would they make? Albany? No way.

There is no other huge, signifigant cities in the area.

I'm still bummed over the fact that they used New York as the setting, I mean, NY is such a generic setting for movies and games and books and comics. I'm sick of NY and I never even been there. R* should at least have tried to be original. Amsterdam and other parts of Europe would have made an excellent experience for the game but instead we get another Ny game :( Oh well, I don't think I'll be picking up this GTA unless it shapes up well. 

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Saints Row and Crackdown were trash....seriously.....MasterTony

crackdown is great. Lots of fun.
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#37 MasterTony
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[QUOTE="MasterTony"]Saints Row and Crackdown were trash....seriously.....danneswegman

crackdown is great. Lots of fun.

It was fun exploring around the city...

But the endless boss killings got lame after the first 4...

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LOLWhy would they put planes inNY?Do u guys actually think before u speak?9/11 do u want rockstar to get sued.I can see it now.The news showing a plane ramming into a building in NY and all kind of crap.Rockstar is smart IMO.
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LOLWhy would they put planes inNY?Do u guys actually think before u speak?9/11 do u want rockstar to get sued.I can see it now.The news showing a plane ramming into a building in NY and all kind of crap.Rockstar is smart IMO.jujutheking

Yea....but they should at least put in helicopters....

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[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="ps3-nikita"]

So now we make excuses for no planes. Yet Saints row, was a whole different story. Call your contacts, yeap done that already. Will we see more freedom, then Saints Row or Crackdown. Will there be online multiplayer or co-op. Will they fix the broken driving and shooting, you know like how Saints Row did. So far that game has the best driving and shooting mechanic of any sandbox game. I dont care how hot the graphics are, but if the driving and shooting isnt fixed it shouldnt get higher then Saints Row or even Crackdown.

And there bloody well be some effing orbs or this game is gonna be crap..

-Daddy-
I agree. Saints Row fixed EVERYTHING that was wrong about GTA's gameplay. All it lacked were variety in vehicles, city size, and a story. But everything else GTA did, Saints Row did better.

youd do realize you are comparing a next gen game to last gen right ? how do you expect to fix something when you dont have the hardware power to do so ? now GTA is next gen so just wait for the game to come out and watch it crap all over saints row. what limited saints row was that it was using havok engine and 360 cant really handle havok that well or entesive physics, thats why it has the unified architecture. they had to sacrifice GPU to get the engine running decent on the CPU. does anyone know what angine GTA4 is using ? i thought RAGE was just a graphics engine more like UE3.

and that pic on page 2 is nasty in the link

What Saints Row fixed didn't need next-gen hardware to do it. GTA's gameplay mechanics were just poor. :roll:
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[QUOTE="jujutheking"]LOLWhy would they put planes inNY?Do u guys actually think before u speak?9/11 do u want rockstar to get sued.I can see it now.The news showing a plane ramming into a building in NY and all kind of crap.Rockstar is smart IMO.MasterTony

Yea....but they should at least put in helicopters....

Jack T will go crazy trust me.Rockstar can't do what they ushally do and know have to think about getting sued.

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[QUOTE="danneswegman"][QUOTE="MasterTony"]Saints Row and Crackdown were trash....seriously.....MasterTony


crackdown is great. Lots of fun.

It was fun exploring around the city...

But the endless boss killings got lame after the first 4...



maybe, but it's not trash. driving was sily too..
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[QUOTE="-Daddy-"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="ps3-nikita"]

So now we make excuses for no planes. Yet Saints row, was a whole different story. Call your contacts, yeap done that already. Will we see more freedom, then Saints Row or Crackdown. Will there be online multiplayer or co-op. Will they fix the broken driving and shooting, you know like how Saints Row did. So far that game has the best driving and shooting mechanic of any sandbox game. I dont care how hot the graphics are, but if the driving and shooting isnt fixed it shouldnt get higher then Saints Row or even Crackdown.

And there bloody well be some effing orbs or this game is gonna be crap..

mjarantilla

I agree. Saints Row fixed EVERYTHING that was wrong about GTA's gameplay. All it lacked were variety in vehicles, city size, and a story. But everything else GTA did, Saints Row did better.

youd do realize you are comparing a next gen game to last gen right ? how do you expect to fix something when you dont have the hardware power to do so ? now GTA is next gen so just wait for the game to come out and watch it crap all over saints row. what limited saints row was that it was using havok engine and 360 cant really handle havok that well or entesive physics, thats why it has the unified architecture. they had to sacrifice GPU to get the engine running decent on the CPU. does anyone know what angine GTA4 is using ? i thought RAGE was just a graphics engine more like UE3.

and that pic on page 2 is nasty in the link

What Saints Row fixed didn't need next-gen hardware to do it. GTA's gameplay mechanics were just poor. :roll:

SR copied GTA get over it.Will never be GTA get over it.Has no bikes or planes get over it.More Fun get over it.

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#44 mjarantilla
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[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="-Daddy-"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="ps3-nikita"]

So now we make excuses for no planes. Yet Saints row, was a whole different story. Call your contacts, yeap done that already. Will we see more freedom, then Saints Row or Crackdown. Will there be online multiplayer or co-op. Will they fix the broken driving and shooting, you know like how Saints Row did. So far that game has the best driving and shooting mechanic of any sandbox game. I dont care how hot the graphics are, but if the driving and shooting isnt fixed it shouldnt get higher then Saints Row or even Crackdown.

And there bloody well be some effing orbs or this game is gonna be crap..

jujutheking

I agree. Saints Row fixed EVERYTHING that was wrong about GTA's gameplay. All it lacked were variety in vehicles, city size, and a story. But everything else GTA did, Saints Row did better.

youd do realize you are comparing a next gen game to last gen right ? how do you expect to fix something when you dont have the hardware power to do so ? now GTA is next gen so just wait for the game to come out and watch it crap all over saints row. what limited saints row was that it was using havok engine and 360 cant really handle havok that well or entesive physics, thats why it has the unified architecture. they had to sacrifice GPU to get the engine running decent on the CPU. does anyone know what angine GTA4 is using ? i thought RAGE was just a graphics engine more like UE3.

and that pic on page 2 is nasty in the link

What Saints Row fixed didn't need next-gen hardware to do it. GTA's gameplay mechanics were just poor. :roll:

SR copied GTA get over it.Will never be GTA get over it.Has no bikes or planes get over it.More Fun get over it.

I never said Saints Row didn't copy GTA. It most certainly did. I'm saying that Saints Row IMPROVED on GTA in a lot of ways IN ADDITION to copying it.
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#45 MasterTony
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[QUOTE="danneswegman"][QUOTE="MasterTony"]Saints Row and Crackdown were trash....seriously.....danneswegman


crackdown is great. Lots of fun.

It was fun exploring around the city...

But the endless boss killings got lame after the first 4...



maybe, but it's not trash. driving was sily too..

Fine...it was close being trash...

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[QUOTE="jujutheking"]LOLWhy would they put planes inNY?Do u guys actually think before u speak?9/11 do u want rockstar to get sued.I can see it now.The news showing a plane ramming into a building in NY and all kind of crap.Rockstar is smart IMO.jujutheking

Yea....but they should at least put in helicopters....

Jack T will go crazy trust me.Rockstar can't do what they ushally do and know have to think about getting sued.

So a bunch of cry-babies would throw a fit if I flew a plane into a building?

 

People are stupid, I'll stick to GTA:SA. 

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[QUOTE="-Daddy-"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="ps3-nikita"]

So now we make excuses for no planes. Yet Saints row, was a whole different story. Call your contacts, yeap done that already. Will we see more freedom, then Saints Row or Crackdown. Will there be online multiplayer or co-op. Will they fix the broken driving and shooting, you know like how Saints Row did. So far that game has the best driving and shooting mechanic of any sandbox game. I dont care how hot the graphics are, but if the driving and shooting isnt fixed it shouldnt get higher then Saints Row or even Crackdown.

And there bloody well be some effing orbs or this game is gonna be crap..

mjarantilla
I agree. Saints Row fixed EVERYTHING that was wrong about GTA's gameplay. All it lacked were variety in vehicles, city size, and a story. But everything else GTA did, Saints Row did better.

youd do realize you are comparing a next gen game to last gen right ? how do you expect to fix something when you dont have the hardware power to do so ? now GTA is next gen so just wait for the game to come out and watch it crap all over saints row. what limited saints row was that it was using havok engine and 360 cant really handle havok that well or entesive physics, thats why it has the unified architecture. they had to sacrifice GPU to get the engine running decent on the CPU. does anyone know what angine GTA4 is using ? i thought RAGE was just a graphics engine more like UE3.

and that pic on page 2 is nasty in the link

What Saints Row fixed didn't need next-gen hardware to do it. GTA's gameplay mechanics were just poor. :roll:

yeah broken driving and shooting, you are really limited when you are using renderware instead of a proper engine like mercenaries or other games used last gen, you act like that stuff has no effect on gameplay.
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[QUOTE="jujutheking"][QUOTE="MasterTony"]

[QUOTE="jujutheking"]LOLWhy would they put planes inNY?Do u guys actually think before u speak?9/11 do u want rockstar to get sued.I can see it now.The news showing a plane ramming into a building in NY and all kind of crap.Rockstar is smart IMO.Boba_Fett_3710

Yea....but they should at least put in helicopters....

Jack T will go crazy trust me.Rockstar can't do what they ushally do and know have to think about getting sued.

So a bunch of cry-babies would throw a fit if I flew a plane into a building?

 

People are stupid, I'll stick to GTA:SA. 

....those bunch of cry-babies. would sue Rockstar like crazy...

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this game would be just a GTA 3 and by no means setting the bar higher than GTA SA.

 

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[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="-Daddy-"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="ps3-nikita"]

So now we make excuses for no planes. Yet Saints row, was a whole different story. Call your contacts, yeap done that already. Will we see more freedom, then Saints Row or Crackdown. Will there be online multiplayer or co-op. Will they fix the broken driving and shooting, you know like how Saints Row did. So far that game has the best driving and shooting mechanic of any sandbox game. I dont care how hot the graphics are, but if the driving and shooting isnt fixed it shouldnt get higher then Saints Row or even Crackdown.

And there bloody well be some effing orbs or this game is gonna be crap..

-Daddy-
I agree. Saints Row fixed EVERYTHING that was wrong about GTA's gameplay. All it lacked were variety in vehicles, city size, and a story. But everything else GTA did, Saints Row did better.

youd do realize you are comparing a next gen game to last gen right ? how do you expect to fix something when you dont have the hardware power to do so ? now GTA is next gen so just wait for the game to come out and watch it crap all over saints row. what limited saints row was that it was using havok engine and 360 cant really handle havok that well or entesive physics, thats why it has the unified architecture. they had to sacrifice GPU to get the engine running decent on the CPU. does anyone know what angine GTA4 is using ? i thought RAGE was just a graphics engine more like UE3.

and that pic on page 2 is nasty in the link

What Saints Row fixed didn't need next-gen hardware to do it. GTA's gameplay mechanics were just poor. :roll:

yeah broken driving and shooting, you are really limited when you are using renderware instead of a proper engine like mercenaries or other games used last gen, you act like that stuff has no effect on gameplay.

Broken shooting? LOL, that was what Saints Row did well. The aiming mechanics were better than in GTA, the city map was better than in GTA, the mission structure (i.e. being able to restart when you failed instead of having to travel ALL the way back to the origin) was better. Saints Row wasn't a AAA game by any means like the GTA games were, but it did introduce improvements to the basic GTA gameplay that Rockstar would be idiotic not to adopt (if they can do so legally, that is).