New IPs: Are they important to you?

I'll preface the thread by saying "new IP" does not obviously always translate into "good IP."

Every system gets its share of Lairs, and a quality installment in an established franchise will generally provide a lot of enjoyment and entertainment to the fans of the series.

But just thought I'd make a thread to see what level of importance the denizens of SW place on publishers taking a risk on bringing out a new IP these days.

Do you value it highly and think it's essential to gaming? Or does it hold no importance to you, and are you happy with the franchises you know and love?

Or are you somewhere in the grey area between? Even so on which side of it would you lean?

Old ip's are more important to me.

of course they do

Uncharted best new IP of the generation!

is MW2 considered a new IP? heck who cares MW2 the best FPS out there period! you dont agree? your loss millions love it!

Old ip's are more important to me.

slipknot0129

of course they do

Uncharted best new IP of the generation!

is MW2 considered a new IP? heck who cares MW2 the best FPS out there period! you dont agree? your loss millions love it!

finalstar2007

I think the 2 after MW would be a good indicator as it its New IP status :P

On Topic:

I really value new IPs since I don't want next gen to become nothing beut sequels to the successful series' from this gen. I don't mind though different settings/characters/etc within the same universe of a series (such as the Assassin's Creed games have different protagonists in different eras)

Very important to me. Mario doesn't excite me anymore, Zelda is the greatest franchise ever made but I'd be lying if I told you Skyward Sword excited me when it was announced, I want something new. But I don't want developers to start throwing franchises away but these Nuts and Bolts, Devil May Cry 5's, and Metroid Other M's need to stop. If you're going to take everything that makes the original franchise what it is and throw it away then just make it a new ip.

New IPs? Well I do think that they are a very welcome part of the game industry, but aren't the only way new fresh and innovative ideas are introduced. I know many new IPs have been appearing and many of them were well received, but honestly I only bought several, with the majority of my library consisting of sequels and spin-offs of games franchises that I've become familiar with. Yes they seem important to me, but realistically I haven't been supoorting them as much as I would like to.

why yes shin, new ips are the life blood of the gaming industry, they are the lynch pins in innovatipon of gaming no new ips means no experimentation and no new genres.

some people might be fine with playing the same handful of games with numerous iterations for years and thats cool, but as a gamer who beleives that this medium can be a fantastic for creating a rich form of interaction and entertainment. The lack of new IPs kills the industry and fosters stagnation.

For me, older games are generally the better ones. Thats why they are being milked afterall. But new IPs bring something new to the table. Its often a chance to see companies explore different genres (though there aren't really new ideas people can come up with). Its interesting to see it work out.

of course they do

Uncharted best new IP of the generation!

is MW2 considered a new IP? heck who cares MW2 the best FPS out there period! you dont agree? your loss millions love it!

finalstar2007

also both new and old ips matter to me

of the games i'm picking up this winter.

RAGE is the only new $60 dollar IP i'm picking up.

the rest are HD remakes (Ico collection, MGS collection), sequel (Batman, Assassin's, Uncharted) or a new rendition (Skyrim, Battlefield 3)

I'm much more willing to try new IPs now than in the past. At the start of last gen I thought what I'd heard about GTAIII sounded horrid and way too vulgar for me to dignify by playing, but then a friend had it so I tried it and have loved the series ever since.

Having said that I still enjoy and anticipate the new entries in pillar franchises that made me love gaming in the first place like Mario, Zelda, Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest and so on.

I'd say I prefer what I know the most. New IPs are necessary, but I only approach them in moderation.

I like trying new IPs or seeing new IPs(Frozen Synapse, Lord of the Rings: War in the North) but some spin-offs, old franchises that are beingdeveloped with care instead of rushed every year.(Stronghold 3, for examplehas been in development for over two years and Firefly Studios is close to completion) I like as well.

I'll preface the thread by saying "new IP" does not obviously always translate into "good IP."

Every system gets its share of Lairs, and a quality installment in an established franchise will generally provide a lot of enjoyment and entertainment to the fans of the series.

But just thought I'd make a thread to see what level of importance the denizens of SW place on publishers taking a risk on bringing out a new IP these days.

Do you value it highly and think it's essential to gaming? Or does it hold no importance to you, and are you happy with the franchises you know and love?

Or are you somewhere in the grey area between? Even so on which side of it would you lean?

shinrabanshou

I'll say it again. There's ony so much you can do with one franchise, theres only so much refining. You need new IPs, with different settings, different concept to make a truly different game. Core Mario titles, (no I do not consider Mario tennis as part of the core series) has been refined to perfection. Can a company like Nintendo offer a unique title, not the 50th Zelda, not the 50th Mario, something new, like Pikmin was for the Gamecube generation.

We can sit here and argue that title was Wii Sports but I'm talking about a game that is truly worth blockbuster status. It is important to me and that's honestly why I think Nintendo is falling behind the curve.

More new IPs. They help keep things fresh in the industry. Gears of War was a new IP this gen and it quickly became the co-face of the Xbox 360 alongside Halo.

Mirror's Edge is a new IP and it is one of the best realizations of the platformer genre outside of Super Mario.

Forza Motorsport was a new IP and it quickly dethroned other sim racers.

Crysis was a new IP and it helped push technology in gaming like never before.

Now I like my sequels to games that I love, but their needs to be new games released that can help shake things up. New IPs are a vital part of the industry.

There's nothing a new IP can do that an established IP can't, so I'm neutral.

I just play games I like.

Example: Mirror's Edge is very original with innovative gameplay, OverStrike is just a generic L4D clone.

New IP or not, they get the same treatment from me. I don't like how some people are more open towards average games just because of the fact that they are new IPs. It makes no logical sense. Swapping character models does not make the game more original.

There's nothing a new IP can do that an established IP can't, so I'm neutral.

I just play games I like.

Example: Mirror's Edge is very original with innovative gameplay, OverStrike is just a generic L4D clone.

New IP or not, they get the same treatment from me. I don't like how some people are more open towards average games just because of the fact that they are new IPs. It makes no logical sense. Swapping character models does not make the game more original.

SuperFlakeman

Oh really? So Heavy Rain would have been the same if Mario lost Princess Peach and we find out that Kirby is the origami killer?

why yes shin, new ips are the life blood of the gaming industry, they are the lynch pins in innovatipon of gaming no new ips means no experimentation and no new genres.

some people might be fine with playing the same handful of games with numerous iterations for years and thats cool, but as a gamer who beleives that this medium can be a fantastic for creating a rich form of interaction and entertainment. The lack of new IPs kills the industry and fosters stagnation.

Zaibach

Since I'm to lazy to type up the same argument I'll just agree with you and say this.

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

There's nothing a new IP can do that an established IP can't, so I'm neutral.

I just play games I like.

Example: Mirror's Edge is very original with innovative gameplay, OverStrike is just a generic L4D clone.

New IP or not, they get the same treatment from me. I don't like how some people are more open towards average games just because of the fact that they are new IPs. It makes no logical sense. Swapping character models does not make the game more original.

greenskittles

Oh really? So Heavy Rain would have been the same if Mario lost Princess Peach and we find out that Kirby is the origami killer?

No. It would be so much better.....

I do think we need new IPs. Even if they aren't perfect off the bat, they can leave room for improvement and something potentailly amazing. Essentially, I think we wore out most of the new IPs that came about int he PS1 era (ex: Silent Hill) and we need new IPs, even if they are modeled after old IPs to give developers new opportunities for inspiration and creativity.

RE4 should have been a new IP. The end result of it remaining RE is that it essentially steamrolled over some fairly unique gameplay in the industry and it's contributed to a severe lack of variety right now.

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

There's nothing a new IP can do that an established IP can't, so I'm neutral.

I just play games I like.

Example: Mirror's Edge is very original with innovative gameplay, OverStrike is just a generic L4D clone.

New IP or not, they get the same treatment from me. I don't like how some people are more open towards average games just because of the fact that they are new IPs. It makes no logical sense. Swapping character models does not make the game more original.

greenskittles

Oh really? So Heavy Rain would have been the same if Mario lost Princess Peach and we find out that Kirby is the origami killer?

Take Heavy Rain. Replace a few character models with photo realistic versions of Mario and co. and it's the same game, but within the Mario IP.

[QUOTE="greenskittles"]

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

There's nothing a new IP can do that an established IP can't, so I'm neutral.

I just play games I like.

Example: Mirror's Edge is very original with innovative gameplay, OverStrike is just a generic L4D clone.

New IP or not, they get the same treatment from me. I don't like how some people are more open towards average games just because of the fact that they are new IPs. It makes no logical sense. Swapping character models does not make the game more original.

SuperFlakeman

Oh really? So Heavy Rain would have been the same if Mario lost Princess Peach and we find out that Kirby is the origami killer?

Take Heavy Rain. Replace a few character models with photo realistic versions of Mario and co. and it's the same game, but within the Mario IP.

Except that wouldn't work. It's much better to create a new universe, than try to create a drama about a plumber and a giant turtle. :|

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

[QUOTE="greenskittles"]

Oh really? So Heavy Rain would have been the same if Mario lost Princess Peach and we find out that Kirby is the origami killer?

hakanakumono

Take Heavy Rain. Replace a few character models with photo realistic versions of Mario and co. and it's the same game, but within the Mario IP.

Except that wouldn't work. It's much better to create a new universe, than try to create a drama about a plumber and a giant turtle. :|

Nono, you take the final version of Heavy Rain. Mario replaces the main character's model. It's the same animations. The same voice acting. The same dialogue etc.

What I'm saying is that new IPs are not inherently superior in any way. They could be though.

[QUOTE="greenskittles"]

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

There's nothing a new IP can do that an established IP can't, so I'm neutral.

I just play games I like.

Example: Mirror's Edge is very original with innovative gameplay, OverStrike is just a generic L4D clone.

New IP or not, they get the same treatment from me. I don't like how some people are more open towards average games just because of the fact that they are new IPs. It makes no logical sense. Swapping character models does not make the game more original.

SuperFlakeman

Oh really? So Heavy Rain would have been the same if Mario lost Princess Peach and we find out that Kirby is the origami killer?

Take Heavy Rain. Replace a few character models with photo realistic versions of Mario and co. and it's the same game, but within the Mario IP.

The story would still have to changed into a G rated story. There would be no realistic fight scenes, the stakes would not be as high (Kirby would not be a serial killer). It's like like comparing CSI to Blues Clues. Your changing to much of what makes the game, the game it is.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

Take Heavy Rain. Replace a few character models with photo realistic versions of Mario and co. and it's the same game, but within the Mario IP.

SuperFlakeman

Except that wouldn't work. It's much better to create a new universe, than try to create a drama about a plumber and a giant turtle. :|

Nono, you take the final version of Heavy Rain. Mario replaces the main character's model. It's the same animations. The same voice acting. The same dialogue etc.

What I'm saying is that new IPs are not inherently superior in any way. They could be though.

It doesn't have anything to do with superiority. It has to do with whether or not it works or not. It doesn't work. And it doesn't help to overload a universe.

An IP creates context and without proper context, a game will not work. This requires new IPs.

[QUOTE="greenskittles"]

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

There's nothing a new IP can do that an established IP can't, so I'm neutral.

I just play games I like.

Example: Mirror's Edge is very original with innovative gameplay, OverStrike is just a generic L4D clone.

New IP or not, they get the same treatment from me. I don't like how some people are more open towards average games just because of the fact that they are new IPs. It makes no logical sense. Swapping character models does not make the game more original.

SuperFlakeman

Oh really? So Heavy Rain would have been the same if Mario lost Princess Peach and we find out that Kirby is the origami killer?

Take Heavy Rain. Replace a few character models with photo realistic versions of Mario and co. and it's the same game, but within the Mario IP.

More new IPs. They help keep things fresh in the industry. Gears of War was a new IP this gen and it quickly became the co-face of the Xbox 360 alongside Halo.

Mirror's Edge is a new IP and it is one of the best realizations of the platformer genre outside of Super Mario.

Forza Motorsport was a new IP and it quickly dethroned other sim racers.

Crysis was a new IP and it helped push technology in gaming like never before.

Now I like my sequels to games that I love, but their needs to be new games released that can help shake things up. New IPs are a vital part of the industry.

NeonNinja

You forgot Borderlands. Best game this generation IMO.

Good games is all that matters.

Heck, You can Take any game and put new faces and change the landmark's names and the Title and you got a "New IP".

but that's not to say that all New IPs are bad (or good). It's just that it seems like in System Wars if it's not a "New IP" it's trash, which it isn't.

Good games is all that matters.

Heck, You can Take any game and put new faces and change the landmark's names and the Title and you got a "New IP".

but that's not to say that all New IPs are bad (or good). It's just that it seems like in System Wars if it's not a "New IP" it's trash, which it isn't.

LegatoSkyheart

Good god... you can't be serious.

shinrabanshou

Am I wrong? That's the definition of an IP.

Maybe SMB2 is an easier example to get what I mean.

They literally replaced a few character models from Doki Doki Panic and called it SMB2.

After a while franchises tend to become fan driven rather than creator driven, cranked out due to popular demand long after their creators have run out of interest/ideas. There's nothing wrong with developers cranking out an unending stream of games in a workman-like manner, but its not very interesting to me. Perhaps the new reboot may work, but the Tomb Raider series is a prime example of a series without a reason to exist besides its popularity.

It would be great if the game industry were like the book industry in that a guy (or in game's case, a team) who came up with someone brilliant could confidently make another original game, knowing that fans of the first game would follow them, but that's not the case. Most gamers don't know or care who creates their favorite games, they just care about the franchise.

I've got nothing against sequels provided they improve upon their predecessor (my most played game this year is LBP2) but I wish that more developers felt more comfortable setting aside their old franchises and creating new ips once they ran out of enthusiasm/ideas.

After a while franchises tend to become fan driven rather than creator driven, cranked out due to popular demand long after their creators have run out of interest/ideas

I've got nothing against sequels provided they improve upon their predecessor (my most played game this year is LBP2) but I wish that more developers felt more comfortable setting aside their old franchises and creating new ips once they ran out of enthusiasm/ideas.

CarnageHeart

This is entirely the publisher's responsibility, not developer nor fan. The suits make creative decisions. I'm not sure who you're "blaming" for this, just saying.

There's nothing wrong with developers cranking out an unending stream of games in a workman-like manner, but its not very interesting to me. Perhaps the new reboot may work, but the Tomb Raider series is a prime example of a series without a reason to exist besides its popularity. CarnageHeart

Have you played Guardian of Light? I heavily dislike this franchise but GoL was phenomenal and different, too bad the reboot is generic.

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

Good god... you can't be serious.

SuperFlakeman

Am I wrong? That's the definition of an IP.

Maybe SMB2 is an easier example to get what I mean.

They literally replaced a few character models from Doki Doki Panic and called it SMB2.

An IP is an intellectual property. A culmination of ideas into a cohesive entity.

Your assertion that Heavy Rain would be the same IP with Mario and Princess Peach as the protagonists is ridiculous.

You cannot pretend Portal would still be Portal if you replaced GLaDOS with Kirby.

:?

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

Good god... you can't be serious.

shinrabanshou

Am I wrong? That's the definition of an IP.

Maybe SMB2 is an easier example to get what I mean.

They literally replaced a few character models from Doki Doki Panic and called it SMB2.

An IP is an intellectual property. A culmination of ideas into a cohesive entity.

Your assertion that Heavy Rain would be the same IP with Mario and Princess Peach as the protagonists is ridiculous.

You cannot pretend Portal would still be Portal if you replaced GLaDOS with Kirby.

:?

Good games is all that matters.

Heck, You can Take any game and put new faces and change the landmark's names and the Title and you got a "New IP".

but that's not to say that all New IPs are bad (or good). It's just that it seems like in System Wars if it's not a "New IP" it's trash, which it isn't.

LegatoSkyheart

And I don't think SW approaches everything that's not a new IP as trash.

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

Good god... you can't be serious.

shinrabanshou

Am I wrong? That's the definition of an IP.

Maybe SMB2 is an easier example to get what I mean.

They literally replaced a few character models from Doki Doki Panic and called it SMB2.

An IP is an intellectual property. A culmination of ideas into a cohesive entity.

Your assertion that Heavy Rain would be the same IP with Mario and Princess Peach as the protagonists is ridiculous.

You cannot pretend Portal would still be Portal if you replaced GLaDOS with Kirby.

:?

Doki Doki is a new IP, that through character model changes, became a part of the Mario franchise.

It couldn't be a part of the franchise if it didn't make this change.

So are you telling me that SMB2 is not a Mario IP, but still is a part of the Mario franchise?