New PSN Terms of Service (DRM and worrysome finds)

I think people should read these new terms carefully, while it may not be much, there may be some wordings which i have to grasp yet but i found them interesting non the less

Yh, seems like standard fare. After the whole Linux debacle it seems Sony has taken steps to ensure that people realise that the OS and software running on the PS4 is merely a license and that they retain the right to modify it as they please.

@Zaibach: Yeah i guess that is in anticipation of that but what do you think about the ''resale'' bit

You'll find that on any disc based product, thats been on the back of every VHS, DVD, BLU RAY and even your games, go ahead and look at the back of your DVDs and games in your shelf or cabinet.

It's standard ToS stuff, nothing worrisome here.

@Zaibach: That is interesting, i actually never knew. Does that mean we have always been violating these terms since forever?

At seems so. lol

sort of yeah, lol :P

Its your right vs their right when it comes to reselling.

DRM CONFIRMED!!!!

...lol just standard terms.

Seems standard to me.

STANDARD? It says right there you cannot resell your game?

Oh you cows. You are getting bent over at the start of a new gen and Sony is waiting there to..............well you know.

At least MS warned us.

what, you thought Sony didn't have DRM?

Go read the XBL terms of use, I bet it says the same thing.

Just did. Says "thank you for agreeing to another year of great service and we will always be here for you etc. etc."

actual it doesn't say anything on XBL Terms of Use forbidding the selling of disc based software or anything close, at best it forbids re-selling of XBL services, and in the spirit of the section it mostly addresses the sale and purchasing and trading of accounts being forbidden

Why do you think there was big talk of clamping down on it?

Also I think a lot of devs or publishers are gonna force DRM into the console for their games. Sony have always said they won't put any in place but publishers/devs are free to do it and it wouldn't surprise me if we start seeing it more and more as the gen goes on

Agreed, however they have to be smart about it. MS tried a very heavy handed approach that backfired massively.

Maybe the XBL terms was the thing. I wonder if its in TOU of the actual console.

Well judging around ehre they could implement the worst DRM and people would praise them for it. Sony seem to do no wrong to a lot of people

But I would imagine at first it won't be implemented a lot and it'll take that one dev to do it and show it to be a success and then more and more will start doing it. Of course I could be full of shit and it won't happen lol

Right. This could be the first step (a silent one) and Sony could enforce this slowly, over time. Then Sony could sit back and say "We actually implemented DRM way back in 2013..............".

As has been stated before, standard stuff. Hell, I even think it's because of those rules that we're not allowed to rent games over here.

I didn't even say that, Megaspider did, GS messing up the quoting system

Full Sony ToS.

http://legaldoc.dl.playstation.net/ps3-eula/psn/e/e_tosua_en.html

Remember all cow talk of MS spying on us. Yeah Sony does that too.

14. Are we monitoring PSN?

14.1. Yes but we can’t monitor all PSN activity and we make no commitment to do so. However, we reserve the right in our sole discretion to monitor and record any or all of your PSN activity and to remove any of your UGM at our sole discretion, without further notice to you. Your use of PSN and our community features may be recorded and collected by us or sent to us by other users as described in 13.1. Any information collected in this way, for example, your UGM, the content of your voice and text communications, video of your gameplay, the time and location of your activities, and your name, your PSN Online ID and IP address, may be used by us or our affiliated companies to enforce these Terms and the SEN Terms of Service, to comply with the law, to protect our rights and those of our licensors and users, and to protect the personal safety of our employees and users. This information may be passed to the police or other appropriate authorities. By accepting these Software Usage Terms, you expressly consent to this.

*cough, cough*

Go read your ISP's ToU. It will be the same.

Nother there out of the norm. Not sure what you are grasping at TC.

Sony has our backs like since forever. By gamers for gamers, the SONY way.

I knew all along that Sony couldnt be trusted. They took it a step further by not even telling us their plans unlike MS.

Enjoy your spystations.

I have a feeling you have never read a TOSA before and you don't understand what this one is telling you.

This week will be full of desperate last minute grasping at straws by lems.

yes im sure. im just opening the cows eyes that Ms is just as bad and sony isn't a saint.

can't resell disc based games, WTF?

http://static.gamespot.com/uploads/original/1003/10033853/2373887-0743899433-55685.jpg

we don't have a camera watching us and then making us pay more for netflix if there are many people watching the movie.

There was a time before they changed their policies when kinect was not only obligatory but you couldn't even obstruct its line of sight if not the console would become a brick!

Huge difference dawg!

Boi this place is full of SONY SLAVES I SWEAR I NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS IN MY LIFE! LOOKS STANDARD ......ARE YOU SERIOUS? I WILL NEVER ARGUE WITH ANOTHER SONY FANBOY ON THIS FORM BECAUSE I KNOW IM TALKING TO AN INFECTED "CER" zombie

Wurd. The bullsh7t is eating their brains to the "Sony can do no wrong" level.

@FoxbatAlpha: "Without their permission".. they've probably been giving permission to gamers for who knows how long now.

So much this.

@FragTycoon: I would admit, i tend not to read most of them to be frank, i just click ''yes'' to everything but with this new systems, i want to be a bit more cautious hence why i actually read it because the new vita system update told me to re-agree with the TOU hence what prompted my curiousity to see what it was in detail

It's not saying you said it, he was replying to you hence why your name is there. It says "megaspider said"

@Infinite_Access: i cant wait to you get your ps4 and you found out SONY was keeping quiet or why they want Reviewers to use SONY ALL ACCESS to review the HARDWARE and why NO ONE will get EXTENSIVE use of the hardware UNTIL LAUNCH. PREPARE TO BE RAGING!

You're pathetic.

Yeah, I definitely can see Sony implementing DRM after the hype for the PS4 dies out and sales starts to decline. What would stop them? Consumers? They already bought their console. It's like a Devil's contract, once you're in you can't act for yourself anymore,

@Shewgenja: How because i tell the truth and yall continue to ignore? Im not telling you not to buy the ps4 but what you need to expect.

If people honestly think sony is out for their best interests, they're not very bright

that wasn't "truth" it was speculation at best

Releases are coming up and this forum is beyond sad now. This desperation, guys... it cannot be healthy for some of you.

They're trying to tie up the loop holes for game sharing of DD titles. They left it open for most of the gen and could only half restrict it from happening with a number of downloads restriction and limitations of activations on consoles.

Fingers crossed it should convince publishers not to have such stupid prices on the store to compensate for game sharing.

Sony could make you cows face a mirror bent over to watch the pain on your own face and you guys would sing their praises.

no they haven't