New Sony fee a huge loss for PS3 owners

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#1 kenmid
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The Examiner writes:

"If you own a Playstation3, you should be mad as hell, because with th

is ill-conceived move by Sony has all but guaranteed that you'll be sorry you don't own an Xbox 360."

http://www.n4g.com/ClickOut.aspx?ObjID=298582

http://www.examiner.com/x-3674-SF-Video-Game-Examiner~y2009m3d22-New-Sony-fee-a-huge-loss-for-PS3-owners

There is a lot I disagree with article, but I do beleave if everything is true and Sony are charging the devopers 4 the content they put out. I think they will second guess and not put anything on PSN.

DISCUSS

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The Examiner writes:

"If you own a Playstation3, you should be mad as hell, because with th

is ill-conceived move by Sony has all but guaranteed that you'll be sorry you don't own an Xbox 360."

http://www.examiner.com/x-3674-SF-Video-Game-Examiner~y2009m3d22-New-Sony-fee-a-huge-loss-for-PS3-owners

There is a lot I disagree with article, but I do beleave if everything is true and Sony are charging the devopers 4 the content they put out. I think they will second guess and not put anything on PSN.

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kenmid

There have been numerous threads on this, and it boils down to one thing. Whis was implemented a few months before the end of 2008, and it hasn't effected anything so far. It's a smart business move in trying times, what do people expect?

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[QUOTE="kenmid"]

The Examiner writes:

"If you own a Playstation3, you should be mad as hell, because with th

is ill-conceived move by Sony has all but guaranteed that you'll be sorry you don't own an Xbox 360."

http://www.examiner.com/x-3674-SF-Video-Game-Examiner~y2009m3d22-New-Sony-fee-a-huge-loss-for-PS3-owners

There is a lot I disagree with article, but I do beleave if everything is true and Sony are charging the devopers 4 the content they put out. I think they will second guess and not put anything on PSN.

DISCUSS

lundy86_4

There have been numerous threads on this, and it boils down to one thing. Whis was implemented a few months before the end of 2008, and it hasn't effected anything so far. It's a smart business move in trying times, what do people expect?

How is smart business? When adevloper want develop the psn anymore.

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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="kenmid"]

The Examiner writes:

"If you own a Playstation3, you should be mad as hell, because with th

is ill-conceived move by Sony has all but guaranteed that you'll be sorry you don't own an Xbox 360."

http://www.examiner.com/x-3674-SF-Video-Game-Examiner~y2009m3d22-New-Sony-fee-a-huge-loss-for-PS3-owners

There is a lot I disagree with article, but I do beleave if everything is true and Sony are charging the devopers 4 the content they put out. I think they will second guess and not put anything on PSN.

DISCUSS

kenmid

There have been numerous threads on this, and it boils down to one thing. Whis was implemented a few months before the end of 2008, and it hasn't effected anything so far. It's a smart business move in trying times, what do people expect?

How is smart business? When adevloper want develop the psn anymore.

Microsoft has a similar business model in practice, except they charge the consumer, for that and other Live capabilities. Whereas Sony places the cost on the developer. Both have advantages and disadvantages, and Sony did this rather than charging the consumer, which could only drop their current console sales, not increase them.

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[QUOTE="kenmid"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

There have been numerous threads on this, and it boils down to one thing. Whis was implemented a few months before the end of 2008, and it hasn't effected anything so far. It's a smart business move in trying times, what do people expect?

lundy86_4

How is smart business? When adevloper want develop the psn anymore.

Microsoft has a similar business model in practice, except they charge the consumer, for that and other Live capabilities. Whereas Sony places the cost on the developer. Both have advantages and disadvantages, and Sony did this rather than charging the consumer, which could only drop their current console sales, not increase them.

Its not simiar because Microsoft charges the consumer where developers will still put out quality games, where now they would think twice when put a game out on the PSN.

sample http://www.pastapadre.com/7322/psn-bandwidth-charges-may-explain-no-mme-on-ps3

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#7 hakanakumono
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It's negligable.

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I like how fanboys like to put a spin on everything
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#9 Serraph105
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this might be the final nail in the ps3's coffin that people have been wondering about.

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#10 Serraph105
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I like how fanboys like to put a spin on everything lbjkurono23
what is the spin? this actually make it so the psn store offers next to nothing from here on out.
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#11 lundy86_4
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="kenmid"]

How is smart business? When adevloper want develop the psn anymore.

kenmid

Microsoft has a similar business model in practice, except they charge the consumer, for that and other Live capabilities. Whereas Sony places the cost on the developer. Both have advantages and disadvantages, and Sony did this rather than charging the consumer, which could only drop their current console sales, not increase them.

Its not simiar because Microsoft charges the consumer where developers will still put out quality games, where now they would think twice when put a game out on the PSN.

sample http://www.pastapadre.com/7322/psn-bandwidth-charges-may-explain-no-mme-on-ps3

It's a good move, as Sony makes money off of the PSN somewhat now. We also haven't heard any developers bash this business practice, and no developers saying they will not release on PSN to negate this fact. It's been in practice for 4 months now

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[QUOTE="lbjkurono23"]I like how fanboys like to put a spin on everything Serraph105
what is the spin? this actually make it so the psn store offers next to nothing from here on out.

That may be so but when it comes to video games, bad publicity like this is never a good thing.
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[QUOTE="kenmid"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Microsoft has a similar business model in practice, except they charge the consumer, for that and other Live capabilities. Whereas Sony places the cost on the developer. Both have advantages and disadvantages, and Sony did this rather than charging the consumer, which could only drop their current console sales, not increase them.

lundy86_4

Its not simiar because Microsoft charges the consumer where developers will still put out quality games, where now they would think twice when put a game out on the PSN.

sample http://www.pastapadre.com/7322/psn-bandwidth-charges-may-explain-no-mme-on-ps3

It's a good move, as Sony makes money off of the PSN somewhat now. We also haven't heard any developers bash this business practice, and no developers saying they will not release on PSN to negate this fact. It's been in practice for 4 months now

the most you will see happen is multiform demos being released on the 360 first
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[QUOTE="Serraph105"][QUOTE="lbjkurono23"]I like how fanboys like to put a spin on everything moose_knuckler
what is the spin? this actually make it so the psn store offers next to nothing from here on out.

That may be so but when it comes to video games, bad publicity like this is never a good thing.

oh wait you were speaking of ps3 fanboys I thought you meant 360 fanboys were putting a spin on this to make it look bad
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There have been numerous threads on this, and it boils down to one thing. Whis was implemented a few months before the end of 2008, and it hasn't effected anything so far. It's a smart business move in trying times, what do people expect?

lundy86_4

This could possibly explain why demos are showing up earlier on the 360 than PS3. Cut down a bit of the initial rush that goes to a popular game demo..Just a wild guess on my part.

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I was about to post this, I coudnt agree more with the article. It's ridiculous man. I have a 360 but I buy most of my games on the PS3, and irritates me that games like Fallout 3 might not have the DLC because of this. And before anyone mentions, I am not mad at Bethesda for no PS3 Fallout 3 DLC, I'm just saying if it's as simple as they dont want to pay Sony for it... I dont blame them. Here's hoping Sony (cant believe I'm saying this) starts charging PSN users at least a small fee. Stupid business, Sony.
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

There have been numerous threads on this, and it boils down to one thing. Whis was implemented a few months before the end of 2008, and it hasn't effected anything so far. It's a smart business move in trying times, what do people expect?

DonPerian

This could possibly explain why demos are showing up earlier on the 360 than PS3. Cut down a bit of the initial rush that goes to a popular game demo..Just a wild guess on my part.

yup it's a good point. I can see something like this happening, just like Lawlessx above said. I'm just glad Sony are finally making some money off PSN, I mean MS has been making a fortune.

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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

There have been numerous threads on this, and it boils down to one thing. Whis was implemented a few months before the end of 2008, and it hasn't effected anything so far. It's a smart business move in trying times, what do people expect?

DonPerian

This could possibly explain why demos are showing up earlier on the 360 than PS3. Cut down a bit of the initial rush that goes to a popular game demo..Just a wild guess on my part.

I dont think so, mainly because it's always been that way before this fee was implemented.
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And Microsoft charges a fee to use extra disc. Oh noes Microsoft is tehran doomed as well as Sony. I love how fanboys blow this out of proportion. Sony is doomed now, and every multiplatform game will have exclusive 360 dlc. PS3 is finished for sure this time.
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#20 iam2green
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meh, o well to the devolopers of the game and content. i think it is a little blah from sony. at least they aren't charging us for things that are free.
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[QUOTE="DonPerian"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

There have been numerous threads on this, and it boils down to one thing. Whis was implemented a few months before the end of 2008, and it hasn't effected anything so far. It's a smart business move in trying times, what do people expect?

lundy86_4

This could possibly explain why demos are showing up earlier on the 360 than PS3. Cut down a bit of the initial rush that goes to a popular game demo..Just a wild guess on my part.

yup it's a good point. I can see something like this happening, just like Lawlessx above said. I'm just glad Sony are finally making some money off PSN, I mean MS has been making a fortune.

They're making it the wrong way though. They arent making money from consumers... they are making money from people who are trying to make money off of them! The PS3 is the most expensive system to develop for. The PS3 has the lowest install base. Now the PS3 charges devs to have demos. Not smart on Sony's part.
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="DonPerian"] This could possibly explain why demos are showing up earlier on the 360 than PS3. Cut down a bit of the initial rush that goes to a popular game demo..Just a wild guess on my part.

carljohnson3456

yup it's a good point. I can see something like this happening, just like Lawlessx above said. I'm just glad Sony are finally making some money off PSN, I mean MS has been making a fortune.

They're making it the wrong way though. They arent making money from consumers... they are making money from people who are trying to make money off of them! The PS3 is the most expensive system to develop for. The PS3 has the lowest install base. Now the PS3 charges devs to have demos. Not smart on Sony's part.

I agree with your points, but we haven't seen any negative effects as of yet. I think if we really start to see a lack of DLC or DD on PSN then Sony will take this out

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[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

yup it's a good point. I can see something like this happening, just like Lawlessx above said. I'm just glad Sony are finally making some money off PSN, I mean MS has been making a fortune.

lundy86_4

They're making it the wrong way though. They arent making money from consumers... they are making money from people who are trying to make money off of them! The PS3 is the most expensive system to develop for. The PS3 has the lowest install base. Now the PS3 charges devs to have demos. Not smart on Sony's part.

I agree with your points, but we haven't seen any negative effects as of yet. I think if we really start to see a lack of DLC or DD on PSN then Sony will take this out

Imo I don't think this will hurt sony,
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[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

yup it's a good point. I can see something like this happening, just like Lawlessx above said. I'm just glad Sony are finally making some money off PSN, I mean MS has been making a fortune.

lundy86_4

They're making it the wrong way though. They arent making money from consumers... they are making money from people who are trying to make money off of them! The PS3 is the most expensive system to develop for. The PS3 has the lowest install base. Now the PS3 charges devs to have demos. Not smart on Sony's part.

I agree with your points, but we haven't seen any negative effects as of yet. I think if we really start to see a lack of DLC or DD on PSN then Sony will take this out

I can only hope so. I wonder if this really did have any effect on no Fallout 3 DLC though. I think it probably is, considering the game has sold well on the PS3 and they released all the DLC of Oblivion on the PS3 eventually as well. So, if my theory is correct, that's the first negative effect of this. Let's hope it doesnt snow ball... lol. I hope Sony fixes it soon.
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sony didn't really have a choice, thay have to recoup some money and fast, so they chose the lesser of two evils.
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"] They're making it the wrong way though. They arent making money from consumers... they are making money from people who are trying to make money off of them! The PS3 is the most expensive system to develop for. The PS3 has the lowest install base. Now the PS3 charges devs to have demos. Not smart on Sony's part.carljohnson3456

I agree with your points, but we haven't seen any negative effects as of yet. I think if we really start to see a lack of DLC or DD on PSN then Sony will take this out

I can only hope so. I wonder if this really did have any effect on no Fallout 3 DLC though. I think it probably is, considering the game has sold well on the PS3 and they released all the DLC of Oblivion on the PS3 eventually as well. So, if my theory is correct, that's the first negative effect of this. Let's hope it doesnt snow ball... lol. I hope Sony fixes it soon.

haha you never know. Yeah I hope it doesn't turn into a big hoohah, because Sony have done the right thing by not charging, but unfortunately with making a loss in the PS3 sales for the first while, it hit them pretty hard.

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I wouldn't be surprised if Sony does this, and then I wouldn't be surprised if they removed it because it's a stupid idea. However, I gotta complain about that article. It was one of the worst, poorly written pieces of crap journalism I've ever seen. I'm a 360 fan, but at the same time, it was clear that the writer was biased and didn't give Sony a fair go with the article.

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This has been going on for almost SIX MONTHS. You people are so late to the party.

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This has been going on for almost SIX MONTHS. You people are so late to the party.

StratSec

Pretty much what I was going to say. It's not new by any means.

And PSN content hasn't even begun to dry up yet, so until something like that happens, I don't think people have reason to be worried.

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This will not change the quality of the Games on PS3... There may be fewer Demo's, but There not charging Developers that are charging for what they put on PSN (Games like Ratchet and Clanks, Flower and all the other games)
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Do they actually want someone developing for their console? I sure as hell wouldn't.
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If it is going to affect demos, then I will be somewhat ticked. If it affects DLC, I dont care. Never buy the stuff.

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I like how fanboys like to put a spin on everything lbjkurono23
Somebody learned a new word. What exactly is the "spin" here?
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How can anyone judge Sony business by this. For all we know Sony may be giving a bigger piece of the pie to devs./publishers from the actual game sales, therefore making this irrelevant. If it was that much of a problem then why haven't we seen any publishers or devs. actually complain about this.

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If it is going to affect demos, then I will be somewhat ticked. If it affects DLC, I dont care. Never buy the stuff.

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already has affected the release date for demos. wheelman,riddick, and that new WWE game were all released on xbox live first. is the GHL metallica demo up on PSN yet?
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#36 W1ckedGo0se
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They charge for the GB = $.16 I think... so with most patches are only 32 KBish... Everytime they did a Patch they would not even spend a doller... lol... stop claiming ownage this only affects Demos for the Most part which I don't care about because I tend to buy only the best games and I tend not to even worry about the demo...
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#37 tbolt76
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[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

It's negligable.

It is not negligable...For a developer, the better the content, the more it sells and the more it will cost. This will backfire as you will start seeing more and more exclusive DLC for the 360.
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="kenmid"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

There have been numerous threads on this, and it boils down to one thing. Whis was implemented a few months before the end of 2008, and it hasn't effected anything so far. It's a smart business move in trying times, what do people expect?

How is smart business? When adevloper want develop the psn anymore.

Microsoft has a similar business model in practice, except they charge the consumer, for that and other Live capabilities. Whereas Sony places the cost on the developer. Both have advantages and disadvantages, and Sony did this rather than charging the consumer, which could only drop their current console sales, not increase them.

I agree. No the outcome is either mad consumrs, or mad developers, but mad consumers will still buy, mad developers will switch to another console. if its that serious.
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Don't care, i'm not big on DLC. And all the games I want this year are first/2nd party anyway except Modern Warfare 2 and Bioshock 2.
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Developers are still gonna make money off this stuff because most of the DLC is a rip off anyways. $10 a pop for a couple of maps that they could get some teenage geek to make for them.

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The Examiner writes:

"If you own a Playstation3, you should be mad as hell, because with th

is ill-conceived move by Sony has all but guaranteed that you'll be sorry you don't own an Xbox 360."

http://www.n4g.com/ClickOut.aspx?ObjID=298582

http://www.examiner.com/x-3674-SF-Video-Game-Examiner~y2009m3d22-New-Sony-fee-a-huge-loss-for-PS3-owners

There is a lot I disagree with article, but I do beleave if everything is true and Sony are charging the devopers 4 the content they put out. I think they will second guess and not put anything on PSN.

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kenmid

so far no developer has complaint about it that i know of. and as far as i know most of them made a good profit on the playstaion brand (psp, ps2, ps3). anyway nobdy is forcing them to realeas their content on the psn

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#42 MightyMuna
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like someone above said, MS is charging developers for releasing games on more than one disc, but that did not stop Star Ocean, Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, etc being released on Xbox 360.

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#43 cainetao11
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It cracks me up how selfish we all are. A few days back it was MS is so greedy gharging for something that should be free! Now Sony is charging for something that has traditionally been free, but their not charging us. Oh so there not greedy, I'm glad their finally making money of PSN. Please, they are all greedy. And if, in time this causes developers to avoid the PSN, then lookout! Here comes the Fee, Here comes the Fee!
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#44 nelfer320
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I don't see how this is a big deal at all. I don't even care what any of these companies do to make money.