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#51 Ultimas_Blade
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[QUOTE="Chris-Hansen"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] I dont think it would be a massive downgrade. u act as if the PS3 is head and shoulders above the 360 in terms of graphics. the two happen to be very close. The PS3 version might look better, but nothing amazingly different. Oh and i do remember something about that Whiteenging being possible on the 360. I think it was in an article or an interview with one of the devs. but im not sure.makingmusic476

the article you are referring to is the disgruntled SE ex eployee now head of mistwalker who got fired cus he almost bankrupted them. he said the engine might be multiplatform, not the best source now is it ?

"The game runs on the White Engine, an all-new exclusive seventh generationgame engine built for Square Enix's future games. Both the engine and the game were originally slated to be used with the PlayStation 2 but were later moved to the PlayStation 3.[12] The engine handles advanced audio processing, cinematic cut-scene transition, physics effects calculations and special effects rendering. The White Engine reportedly uses 4 of the 6 synergistic processing elements (SPEs) of the Cell processor to achieve near-pre-rendered CGI quality in realtime."

like i said they are probably using 6 SPEs now because of the edge tools making it much easier to do so. this would be near impossible to do on the 360 CPU as compared to CELL cus it is much weaker. but like i said it may come if sony hasnt bought the rights already but it will be a big downgrade.

Sakaguchi almost bankrupted them?

You are so wrong!

 This guy hand a hand in FFXII, FFX, FFVIII, Chrono Trigger, Vagrant Story, and MUCH MORE!  That statement is nothing less then fanboyism.  If anything SE would be a very different company without this guy's influence!

And the Xbox 360 and PS3 are much more similar in terms of power than fanboys are willing to believe.

He did almost bankrupt them.  He was the main person pushing Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within, which  ultimately lost over $120 million and forced Square Studios to close.  He then retired, for obvious reasons.

He did not retire from SE after FF:TSW, he left during the development of FFXII.  He bankrupted Square Pictures, not then Square Electronic Arts (now Square Enix).
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#52 thedarkomen
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Do 360 fanboys even want this game? Jesus, its just not going to happen, this is as ad as MGS4 to the 360 business.

Pay up to play the game or get a new hobby. 

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Actually there would be no Square-Enix if it wasn't for Sakaguchi.Yellow_Rose

I understand the ramifications of what you said, but wasn't that merger an eventuality anyway? Remember Sony stepped it and bought up some Square stock to counterbalance the financial loss of Square Pictures.  The movie only perpetuated what was already going to happen.

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#55 Runningflame570
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dont mind him, what germanshephard is to the cows is what this guy is to the lemmings.jg4xchamp

...greg_splicer is worse, he actually makes up long posts entirely devoid of facts. germanshepard just repeatedly posts, "Lemmings :lol:"

Actually there would be no Square-Enix if it wasn't for Sakaguchi.

Yellow_Rose

Nintendo probably wouldn't have become a force in videogames..period without Gunpei Yokoi, that didn't keep him from getting marginalized and pretty much pushed out when Virtual Boy went out with a fart.

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#56 Chris-Hansen
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[QUOTE="Chris-Hansen"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] I dont think it would be a massive downgrade. u act as if the PS3 is head and shoulders above the 360 in terms of graphics. the two happen to be very close. The PS3 version might look better, but nothing amazingly different. Oh and i do remember something about that Whiteenging being possible on the 360. I think it was in an article or an interview with one of the devs. but im not sure.jg4xchamp
the article you are referring to is the disgruntled SE ex eployee now head of mistwalker who got fired cus he almost bankrupted them. he said the engine might be multiplatform, not the best source now is it ?

"The game runs on the White Engine, an all-new exclusive seventh generationgame engine built for Square Enix's future games. Both the engine and the game were originally slated to be used with the PlayStation 2 but were later moved to the PlayStation 3.[12] The engine handles advanced audio processing, cinematic cut-scene transition, physics effects calculations and special effects rendering. The White Engine reportedly uses 4 of the 6 synergistic processing elements (SPEs) of the Cell processor to achieve near-pre-rendered CGI quality in realtime."

like i said they are probably using 6 SPEs now because of the edge tools making it much easier to do so. this would be near impossible to do on the 360 CPU as compared to CELL cus it is much weaker. but like i said it may come if sony hasnt bought the rights already but it will be a big downgrade.

oh my bad. i really honestly didnt know. i just remember an article. although u are right u have to take his words with a grain of salt, he might actually be right since he did work for the company. but once again, not very reliable. now graphically i still dont think the would be a problem since the GPU advantage is in 360s favor. thus better lighting, textures, all that other jazz. but if it had maybe a better AI, more actions on the screen, all that stuff, then yes u are correct the graphics would take a hit, because they couldnt handle the same resolution with the same amount of activity. Atleast thats whay im assuming, u can correct if im wrong.

you are pretty much right and also disc size as well, dvd is much smaller. but when he said it was a multiplatform engine even he said he heard it as rumor, so thats even less reliable.
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[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]dont mind him, what germanshephard is to the cows is what this guy is to the lemmings.Runningflame570

...greg_splicer is worse, he actually makes up long posts entirely devoid of facts. germanshepard just repeatedly posts, "Lemmings :lol:"

Actually there would be no Square-Enix if it wasn't for Sakaguchi.

Yellow_Rose

Nintendo probably wouldn't have become a force in videogames..period without Gunpei Yokoi, that didn't keep him from getting marginalized and pretty much pushed out when Virtual Boy went out with a fart.

exactly its called business. u can do all the great stuff u want, but the if start slipping and cost the company a ton of money ur done. cruel world isnt it.
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[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="Chris-Hansen"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] I dont think it would be a massive downgrade. u act as if the PS3 is head and shoulders above the 360 in terms of graphics. the two happen to be very close. The PS3 version might look better, but nothing amazingly different. Oh and i do remember something about that Whiteenging being possible on the 360. I think it was in an article or an interview with one of the devs. but im not sure.Chris-Hansen
the article you are referring to is the disgruntled SE ex eployee now head of mistwalker who got fired cus he almost bankrupted them. he said the engine might be multiplatform, not the best source now is it ?

"The game runs on the White Engine, an all-new exclusive seventh generationgame engine built for Square Enix's future games. Both the engine and the game were originally slated to be used with the PlayStation 2 but were later moved to the PlayStation 3.[12] The engine handles advanced audio processing, cinematic cut-scene transition, physics effects calculations and special effects rendering. The White Engine reportedly uses 4 of the 6 synergistic processing elements (SPEs) of the Cell processor to achieve near-pre-rendered CGI quality in realtime."

like i said they are probably using 6 SPEs now because of the edge tools making it much easier to do so. this would be near impossible to do on the 360 CPU as compared to CELL cus it is much weaker. but like i said it may come if sony hasnt bought the rights already but it will be a big downgrade.

oh my bad. i really honestly didnt know. i just remember an article. although u are right u have to take his words with a grain of salt, he might actually be right since he did work for the company. but once again, not very reliable. now graphically i still dont think the would be a problem since the GPU advantage is in 360s favor. thus better lighting, textures, all that other jazz. but if it had maybe a better AI, more actions on the screen, all that stuff, then yes u are correct the graphics would take a hit, because they couldnt handle the same resolution with the same amount of activity. Atleast thats whay im assuming, u can correct if im wrong.

you are pretty much right and also disc size as well, dvd is much smaller. but when he said it was a multiplatform engine even he said he heard it as rumor, so thats even less reliable.

id figured the size of the disc would just be on the CGI videos alone. FFs big selling point is the storyline so that needs to be done perfectly. obviousaly the bluray disc gives square the ability to do really good presentation on that sense. personally i think this game belongs on the PS3. and wow, that other thing pretty much makes it pointless. anything about it is just pure speculation based on nothing legit.
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#59 Yellow_Rose
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[QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"]Actually there would be no Square-Enix if it wasn't for Sakaguchi.Ultimas_Blade

I understand the ramifications of what you said, but wasn't that merger an eventuality anyway? Remember Sony stepped it and bought up some Square stock to counterbalance the financial loss of Square Pictures.  The movie only perpetuated what was already going to happen.

Squaresoft was about to close until Final Fantasy released.

How do you think it got the name "Final Fantasy"

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#60 Chris-Hansen
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[QUOTE="Chris-Hansen"][QUOTE="kindredmachine"]... and you guys did know that there are more JRPGs in development right now for the 360 than for the PS3 right?;)Yellow_Rose

by third party ? ;) yeah sony doesnt have to pay people to make the games MS is paying mistwalker and others to make them.

So do care to explain White Knight Story being published by Sony?

so you are saying sony pays for more games than MS does ? yeah i didnt think so ;)


I understand the ramifications of what you said, but wasn't that merger an eventuality anyway? Remember Sony stepped it and bought up some Square stock to counterbalance the financial loss of Square Pictures.  The movie only perpetuated what was already going to happen.Ultimas_Blade
no the movie basically forced square to absorb enix.
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#61 Yellow_Rose
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[QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"]

[QUOTE="Chris-Hansen"][QUOTE="kindredmachine"]... and you guys did know that there are more JRPGs in development right now for the 360 than for the PS3 right?;)Chris-Hansen

by third party ? ;) yeah sony doesnt have to pay people to make the games MS is paying mistwalker and others to make them.

So do care to explain White Knight Story being published by Sony?

so you are saying sony pays for more games than MS does ? yeah i didnt think so ;)


Last time I checked neither Eternal Sonata, Enchanted Arms, nor Infinite Undiscovery are or were bankrolled by MS.

By the end of this year, the 360 will have 4 JRPG's while the PS3 will only have 2 ( with one of those already on the 360 and the other being bankrolled by Sony) ;)

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#62 Ultimas_Blade
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[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"]

[QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"]Actually there would be no Square-Enix if it wasn't for Sakaguchi.Yellow_Rose

I understand the ramifications of what you said, but wasn't that merger an eventuality anyway? Remember Sony stepped it and bought up some Square stock to counterbalance the financial loss of Square Pictures.  The movie only perpetuated what was already going to happen.

Squaresoft was about to close until Final Fantasy released.

How do you think it got the name "Final Fantasy"

OH! I knew that :P I thought you were talking about the merger with Enix! My bad.

[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"] I understand the ramifications of what you said, but wasn't that merger an eventuality anyway? Remember Sony stepped it and bought up some Square stock to counterbalance the financial loss of Square Pictures.  The movie only perpetuated what was already going to happen.Chris-Hansen
no the movie basically forced square to absorb enix.

Where is your proof and facts? Your post is thin and easily disproven.  And why would Square do the absorbing if it was their near death that was forcing the merger?

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#63 Chris-Hansen
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[QUOTE="Chris-Hansen"][QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"]

[QUOTE="Chris-Hansen"][QUOTE="kindredmachine"]... and you guys did know that there are more JRPGs in development right now for the 360 than for the PS3 right?;)Yellow_Rose

by third party ? ;) yeah sony doesnt have to pay people to make the games MS is paying mistwalker and others to make them.

So do care to explain White Knight Story being published by Sony?

so you are saying sony pays for more games than MS does ? yeah i didnt think so ;)


Last time I checked neither Eternal Sonata, Enchanted Arms, nor Infinite Undiscovery are or were bankrolled by MS.

By the end of this year, the 360 will have 4 JRPG's while the PS3 will only have 2 ( with one of those already on the 360 and the other being bankrolled by Sony) ;)

enchanted arms came on ps3 didnt it ? and how do we know those other games arent being paid for somehow ? do you honestly thing japanese devs are making JRPG for 360 which is doing worse than xbox1 in japan because they feel like it ? use logic. and we dont know what other JRPG are coming for ps3 in japan only that we havent heard of in the western world.

Where is your proof and facts? Your post is thin and easily disproven.  And why would Square do the absorbing if it was their near death that was forcing the merger?Ultimas_Blade
it was a figure of speech buddy, they merged obviously. enix outsourced their games to other studios and square did everything in house, the perfect marriage. and square lost 16 billion yen because of the failed square movie studio and sony shot about 15 billion into square after that and obviously square needed to earn some cash and rise their stocks up. its common sense buddy, the movie is a big flop, he guy gets fired and they merge with enix to increase profits i dont get what you are arguing about honestly ?
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#64 Ultimas_Blade
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[QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"][QUOTE="Chris-Hansen"][QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"]

[QUOTE="Chris-Hansen"][QUOTE="kindredmachine"]... and you guys did know that there are more JRPGs in development right now for the 360 than for the PS3 right?;)Chris-Hansen

by third party ? ;) yeah sony doesnt have to pay people to make the games MS is paying mistwalker and others to make them.

So do care to explain White Knight Story being published by Sony?

so you are saying sony pays for more games than MS does ? yeah i didnt think so ;)


Last time I checked neither Eternal Sonata, Enchanted Arms, nor Infinite Undiscovery are or were bankrolled by MS.

By the end of this year, the 360 will have 4 JRPG's while the PS3 will only have 2 ( with one of those already on the 360 and the other being bankrolled by Sony) ;)

enchanted arms came on ps3 didnt it ? and how do we know those other games arent being paid for somehow ? do you honestly thing japanese devs are making JRPG for 360 which is doing worse than xbox1 in japan because they feel like it ? use logic. and we dont know what other JRPG are coming for ps3 in japan only that we havent heard of in the western world.

How do we know anything then? That's shots in the dark. 
Do you think the Japanese are so racist/nationalist that they would avoid a business opportunity? It is a business that is all about money.

Also, we do know what JP has coming to the PS3, thanks to something called the INTERNET.

[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"]Where is your proof and facts? Your post is thin and easily disproven.  And why would Square do the absorbing if it was their near death that was forcing the merger?Chris-Hansen
it was a figure of speech buddy, they merged obviously. enix outsourced their games to other studios and square did everything in house, the perfect marriage. and square lost 16 billion yen because of the failed square movie studio and sony shot about 16 billion into square after that and obviously square needed to earn some cash and rise their stocks up. its common sense buddy, the movie is a big flop, he guy gets fired and they merge with enix to increase profits i dont get what you are arguing about honestly ?

  1. The movie debuted in 2001, he left Square in 2004. 
  2. He was't fired and actually when he left Square's stock dipped. Proof of how important he was.
  3. It was an eventuality that the two would were, the movie just made it happen sooner.
  4. Sony filled the abyss that was their debt, so why would they need to merge with Enix? Merging with Enix had nothing to do with Sakaguchi except for the fact they needed the added talent since they lost a mastermind. Oh and FYI Enix titles are still developed by other studios outside of Square Enix (most recent example being Star Ocean 4 by tri-ACE).

It is important to know the facts before you post.  And I'm not arguing about anything, I'm informing you that Sakaguchi is a great talent and not some douche that almost shut down Square.

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#65 Chris-Hansen
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[QUOTE="Chris-Hansen"][QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"][QUOTE="Chris-Hansen"][QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"]

[QUOTE="Chris-Hansen"][QUOTE="kindredmachine"]... and you guys did know that there are more JRPGs in development right now for the 360 than for the PS3 right?;)Ultimas_Blade

by third party ? ;) yeah sony doesnt have to pay people to make the games MS is paying mistwalker and others to make them.

So do care to explain White Knight Story being published by Sony?

so you are saying sony pays for more games than MS does ? yeah i didnt think so ;)


Last time I checked neither Eternal Sonata, Enchanted Arms, nor Infinite Undiscovery are or were bankrolled by MS.

By the end of this year, the 360 will have 4 JRPG's while the PS3 will only have 2 ( with one of those already on the 360 and the other being bankrolled by Sony) ;)

enchanted arms came on ps3 didnt it ? and how do we know those other games arent being paid for somehow ? do you honestly thing japanese devs are making JRPG for 360 which is doing worse than xbox1 in japan because they feel like it ? use logic. and we dont know what other JRPG are coming for ps3 in japan only that we havent heard of in the western world.

How do we know anything then? That's shots in the dark. 
Do you think the Japanese are so racist/nationalist that they would avoid a business opportunity? It is a business that is all about money.

Also, we do know what JP has coming to the PS3, thanks to something called the INTERNET.

[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"]Where is your proof and facts? Your post is thin and easily disproven.  And why would Square do the absorbing if it was their near death that was forcing the merger?Chris-Hansen
it was a figure of speech buddy, they merged obviously. enix outsourced their games to other studios and square did everything in house, the perfect marriage. and square lost 16 billion yen because of the failed square movie studio and sony shot about 16 billion into square after that and obviously square needed to earn some cash and rise their stocks up. its common sense buddy, the movie is a big flop, he guy gets fired and they merge with enix to increase profits i dont get what you are arguing about honestly ?

  1. The movie debuted in 2001, he left Square in 2004. 
  2. He was't fired and actually when he left Square's stock dipped. Proof of how important he was.
  3. It was an eventuality that the two would were, the movie just made it happen sooner.
  4. Sony filled the abyss that was their debt, so why would they need to merge with Enix? Merging with Enix had nothing to do with Sakaguchi except for the fact they needed the added talent since they lost a mastermind. Oh and FYI Enix titles are still developed by other studios outside of Square Enix (most recent example being Star Ocean 4 by tri-ACE).

It is important to know the facts before you post.  And I'm not arguing about anything, I'm informing you that Sakaguchi is a great talent and not some douche that almost shut down Square.

he did almost shut down square why do you think the demoted him ? you dont think they had to make sure sony got their money's worth somehow honestly ? you dont think when the original creator leaves the company the stock wont take a dip ? honestly you say all those things like it is fact and tel me i have no proof when you have none and are just pulling things out of no where. you say they would merge eventually but where is the proof ? there were no talks before the movie flopped or anything, he put them in the whole, they demoted him(which is major disrespect in *** culture and is almost worse than being fired), so he left. you act like he made all those games by himself and there wasnt a gigantic team behind him.

"Square was merged into Enix (known for the Dragon Quest series), another Japanese video game producer, in 2002 so as to curb development costs and become more competitive as a result of Square's major financial loss with Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within. In April of 2003, the merger was completed, forming the new company, Square Enix."

the movie flopped, he was made to feel unwelcome and was given the boot, they had to merge because of him draining money into the failure. you think the man who was basically top dog and got demoted was happy about that ? and when given the chance to head his own company again he wouldnt take it ? 16 billion yen down the hole and it was basically his fault, just because sony drops in 15 billion that makes it ok ?

"A long time proponent of bringing together the story-telling vehicle of film and the interactive elements of games, Sakaguchi took the leap from games to film when he made his debut as film director in Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within, an animated motion picture based on his world-famous Final Fantasy series. However, the movie was the second-biggest animated box office bomb in cinema history, losing over $120 million dollars and leading to the closure of Square Pictures."

"Sakaguchi voluntarily stepped down from his post as an executive vice president at Square. This event also reduced Square's financial capital. Square then merged with their rival, the Enix Corporation, which led straight into the present day Square Enix in 2003. Sakaguchi then resigned his position at Square, and founded Mistwalker with the financial backing of Microsoft Game Studios."

"voluntarily stepped down" is a nice way of saying my bosses demoted me and told me to do step down or be humiliated even furthur by airing out the laundry in public.

"In 2001, he founded Mistwalker, which began operation three years later in 2004. In February 2005, it was announced that Mistwalker would be working with Microsoft Game Studios to produce two computer role-playing games for the Xbox 360. Still, his company remains independent to console exclusitivity. Apart from Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey, Sakaguchi is also producing ASH: Archaic Sealed Heat for Nintendo DS."

seriously know the facts before you post :lol:i dont need to post anymore you get the point...
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Not saying FFXIII is coming to 360 or not, but it would seem like a bad move to NOT release it on a console with a pretty hefty installed base currently,  these companies follow money afterall and not pillow talk.  But hey, IF FFXIII doesnt come to 360... the system still has some pretty amazing titles jrpg wise from Ms and a couple other companies.  Last Remnant coming to 360 and Star Ocean 4(?) is never a bad indication of support.

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"voluntarily stepped down" is a nice way of saying my bosses demoted me and told me to do step down or be humiliated even furthur by airing out the laundry in public. ASSUMPTION

seriously know the facts before you post :lol:i dont need to post anymore you get the point...Chris-Hansen
I was wrong on some aspects on my fourth point but the other facts still remain.  Enix President Keiji Honda now fills Sakaguchi's old job, something that had to be sacrificed as good faith for the merger (many of the key positions were filled by Square's leaders) since Enix was purchasing them.  His leaving the post of VP was taking it one for the team not a demotion, remember, there were a lot more people than just Sakaguchi involved in creating the movie and since Square's leaders were assuming most positions Enix needed some as well (most importantly VP since Yoichi Wada became CEO and president of Square Enix).  Whether the movie was made or not his job still would have been in Enix's hands. This merger would've happened sooner or later.

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Why  FF13 will come to 360 ?

Simply because with spending 1/10 the cost of making it, they can port to 360, and make 2x the money they would make selling only on PS3, does not get more simple than that