New story about the 360 exposes MS

New story exposes that MS knew that they were releasing two-thirds of their 360s as faulty hardware before launch.

Why should people support a company that knowingly relaeses such a high amount of faulty hardware out onto the public?

Has your Xbox 360 ever failed unexpectedly? If it has, you're in good company -- in February, warranty company SquareTrade pegged the console's failure rate at a shocking 16%. But a stunning new expose claims that Microsoft knew over two-thirds of the consoles produced by its contracted factories in the run-up to the Xbox 360's November 2005 launch date were faulty....

http://videogames.yahoo.com/feature/did-microsoft-know-about-xbox-failures-/1245120

I had one that failed twice and my brother in law has had 5 fail along with 5 faulty controllers.

Why should people support a company that knowingly relaeses such a high amount of faulty hardware out onto the public?

patriots7672

They shouldn't. It's why I'll never purchase any Microsoft product. Many of their practices over the last twenty years have been extremely unethical and, in many cases, unlawful. I realize that many large corporations are guilty of shady practices, but M$ takes the cake in this regard. No Xbox 360 for me.

Maybe the flame shield be with you.

[QUOTE="patriots7672"]

Why should people support a company that knowingly relaeses such a high amount of faulty hardware out onto the public?

Jared2720

They shouldn't. It's why I'll never purchase any Microsoft product. Many of their practices over the last twenty years have been extremely unethical and, in many cases, unlawful. I realize that many large corporations are guilty of shady practices, but M$ takes the cake in this regard. No Xbox 360 for me.

I had one that failed twice and my brother in law has had 5 fail along with 5 faulty controllers.

patriots7672

sounds like you and your brother in law need to take better care of your things. :| btw....this is OLD.

Ooooookay. Everyone gather up every Xbox 360 you can find and lets torch them. No? Okay. Lets just boycott Microsoft...this information has damned them this time. NO? Oooookay. It is what it is. Everyone go on with your day.

Ooooookay. Everyone gather up every Xbox 360 you can find and lets torch them. No? Okay. Lets just boycott Microsoft...this information has damned them this time. NO? Oooookay. It is what it is. Everyone go on with your day.

IIJuggaNottII

Xbox 360's torch themselves.

[QUOTE="IIJuggaNottII"]

Ooooookay. Everyone gather up every Xbox 360 you can find and lets torch them. No? Okay. Lets just boycott Microsoft...this information has damned them this time. NO? Oooookay. It is what it is. Everyone go on with your day.

Jared2720

Xbox 360's torch themselves.

You sir win the "smarty pants reply" of the day award. LOL.....good one.

Oh no, MS cut corners ... careface?

Mine works, if it breaks they'll fix it ... good enough for me. My 5 PS2's had to be bought.

Oh no, MS cut corners ... careface?

Mine works, if it breaks they'll fix it ... good enough for me. My 5 PS2's had to be bought.

ukillwegrill

I went through four myself. At least MS is doing something about the problem. Knowing about it doesn't bother me one bit cause it's not like I'm spending hundreds and hundreds of dollars over and over again in the same way I had to do with my PS2's in order to keep my game library I enjoyed so much.

Oh no, MS cut corners ... careface?

Mine works, if it breaks they'll fix it ... good enough for me. My 5 PS2's had to be bought.

ukillwegrill

Wow. Disengenuous FTW!!

Seriously. No one is naive enough to believe that.

What gets me most about this situation is how Microsoft consumers choose to rationalize their chosen master's bad business: "Yeah, okay, fine, Sony's PS3 is very reliable hardware, but Microsoft has a speedy refurbishing policy and that's a lot better!"

Nothing has ever been wrong with my 360.bigd575

And you sir are the only man on earth. Why even come in this and say that? It is irrelevant. As if saying it never happened to you somehow negates the fact that IT HAS HAPPENED!

[QUOTE="ukillwegrill"]

Oh no, MS cut corners ... careface?

Mine works, if it breaks they'll fix it ... good enough for me. My 5 PS2's had to be bought.

Pariah_001

Wow. Disengenuous FTW!!

Seriously. No one is naive enough to believe that.

What gets me most about this situation is how Microsoft consumers choose to rationalize their chosen master's bad business: "Yeah, okay, fine Sony's PS3 is very reliable hardware, but Microsoft has a speedy refurbishing policy and that's a lot better!"

LoL exactly, I don't know why lemmings get so defense when talking about the RRoD. That's not something to be proud of.

Oh no, MS cut corners ... careface?

Mine works, if it breaks they'll fix it ... good enough for me. My 5 PS2's had to be bought.

ukillwegrill

Omg. Who are u?? How did u figure out everything i was goona say so early? :P

[QUOTE="ukillwegrill"]

Oh no, MS cut corners ... careface?

Mine works, if it breaks they'll fix it ... good enough for me. My 5 PS2's had to be bought.

Pariah_001

Wow. Disengenuous FTW!!

Seriously. No one is naive enough to believe that.

What gets me most about this situation is how Microsoft consumers choose to rationalize their chosen master's bad business: "Yeah, okay, fine Sony's PS3 is very reliable hardware, but Microsoft has a speedy refurbishing policy and that's a lot better!"

[QUOTE="ukillwegrill"]

Oh no, MS cut corners ... careface?

Mine works, if it breaks they'll fix it ... good enough for me. My 5 PS2's had to be bought.

Pariah_001

Wow. Disengenuous FTW!!

Seriously. No one is naive enough to believe that.

What gets me most about this situation is how Microsoft consumers choose to rationalize their chosen master's bad business: "Yeah, okay, fine, Sony's PS3 is very reliable hardware, but Microsoft has a speedy refurbishing policy and that's a lot better!"

No one will believe that? why not? Yet we're to believe the my 6th xbox RROD storys ?

Well, meh, my mum remembers it, and im sure her bank balance does

[QUOTE="Pariah_001"][QUOTE="ukillwegrill"]

Oh no, MS cut corners ... careface?

Mine works, if it breaks they'll fix it ... good enough for me. My 5 PS2's had to be bought.

ukillwegrill

Wow. Disengenuous FTW!!

Seriously. No one is naive enough to believe that.

What gets me most about this situation is how Microsoft consumers choose to rationalize their chosen master's bad business: "Yeah, okay, fine, Sony's PS3 is very reliable hardware, but Microsoft has a speedy refurbishing policy and that's a lot better!"

No one will believe that? why not? Yet we're to believe the my 6th xbox RROD storys ?

Well, meh, my mum remembers it, and im sure her bank balance does

I want to see hta bank statement, along with account number for verification also. Oh and while your at it could i get her pin to?

No one will believe that? why not? Yet we're to believe the my 6th xbox RROD storys ?ukillwegrill

I'm more inclined to believe RROD stories since the post-office and retail stores concur with them on record.

PS2's failure rate was as negligible as the PS3's is now.

why is it so hard to believe that? the PS2 was a pile that had a massive failure rate as well.Nedemis

No. It didn't. And no amount of anecdotal evidence will change that.

However many DRE errors there were, there weren't nearly as many as there were RRODs. Not to mention that DRE wasn't a structural problem; it was a disk problem. RROD, on the other hand, is inert to the system.

I'm more inclined to believe RROD stories since the post-office and retail stores concur with them on record.

[QUOTE="Nedemis"]why is it so hard to believe that? the PS2 was a pile that had a massive failure rate as well.Pariah_001

No. It didn't. And no amount of anecdotal evidence will change that.

However many DRE errors there were, there weren't nearly as many as there were RRODs. Not to mention that DRE wasn't a structural problem; it was a disk problem. RROD, on the other hand, is inert to the system.

[QUOTE="ukillwegrill"]No one will believe that? why not? Yet we're to believe the my 6th xbox RROD storys ?Pariah_001

I'm more inclined to believe RROD stories since the post-office and retail stores concur with them on record.

PS2's failure rate was as negligible as the PS3's is now.

why is it so hard to believe that? the PS2 was a pile that had a massive failure rate as well.Nedemis

No. It didn't. And no amount of anecdotal evidence will change that.

However many DRE errors there were, there weren't nearly as many as there were RRODs. Not to mention that DRE wasn't a structural problem; it was a disk problem. RROD, on the other hand, is inert to the system.

[QUOTE="Pariah_001"][QUOTE="ukillwegrill"]

Oh no, MS cut corners ... careface?

Mine works, if it breaks they'll fix it ... good enough for me. My 5 PS2's had to be bought.

Nedemis

Wow. Disengenuous FTW!!

Seriously. No one is naive enough to believe that.

What gets me most about this situation is how Microsoft consumers choose to rationalize their chosen master's bad business: "Yeah, okay, fine Sony's PS3 is very reliable hardware, but Microsoft has a speedy refurbishing policy and that's a lot better!"

simply,

I don't believe you had 4 PS2s crap out on you.

[QUOTE="Nedemis"][QUOTE="Pariah_001"][QUOTE="ukillwegrill"]

Oh no, MS cut corners ... careface?

Mine works, if it breaks they'll fix it ... good enough for me. My 5 PS2's had to be bought.

FragTycoon

Wow. Disengenuous FTW!!

Seriously. No one is naive enough to believe that.

What gets me most about this situation is how Microsoft consumers choose to rationalize their chosen master's bad business: "Yeah, okay, fine Sony's PS3 is very reliable hardware, but Microsoft has a speedy refurbishing policy and that's a lot better!"

simply,

I don't believe you had 4 PS2s crap out on you.

and I care why? You don't have to believe me for it to be true. PS2 was a pile and I only realized that AFTER wasting so much money.

Oh no, MS cut corners ... careface?

Mine works, if it breaks they'll fix it ... good enough for me. My 5 PS2's had to be bought.

ukillwegrill

Why should you have to pay for a warranty then?

The day this warranty **** becomes illegal the better it will be for all of us. If a product is unfit for purpose it should not be sold.

However many DRE errors there were, there weren't nearly as many as there were RRODs. Not to mention that DRE wasn't a structural problem; it was a disk problem. RROD, on the other hand, is inert to the system.

Pariah_001

Oh...wow. Wow. Wow wow wow wow.

I had one that failed twice and my brother in law has had 5 fail along with 5 faulty controllers.

patriots7672

I know right, i had a PS3 that blew up and killed my dog. And my brothers, girlfriends, brothers, friends, mum had 5 faulty duelshock controlers that literally did shock people, it killed 5 children.

True story. Burn teh ps3.

I'm more inclined to believe RROD stories since the post-office and retail stores concur with them on record.

[QUOTE="Nedemis"]why is it so hard to believe that? the PS2 was a pile that had a massive failure rate as well.Pariah_001

No. It didn't. And no amount of anecdotal evidence will change that.

However many DRE errors there were, there weren't nearly as many as there were RRODs. Not to mention that DRE wasn't a structural problem; it was a disk problem. RROD, on the other hand, is inert to the system.

PS2 had VARIOUS problem throughout its life ... way more then the Xbox, its's just somthing you have to deal with ...

[QUOTE="ukillwegrill"]

Oh no, MS cut corners ... careface?

Mine works, if it breaks they'll fix it ... good enough for me. My 5 PS2's had to be bought.

leejohnson7

Why should you have to pay for a warranty then?

The day this warranty **** becomes illegal the better it will be for all of us. If a product is unfit for purpose it should not be sold.

Im not paying for a warranty ... i get one free.

Post Office has NOTHING to do with ANYTHING regarding the RROD. :| I'm sure you meant somewhere else (maybe FedEX or UPS).Nedemis

The post office is the place that ships back the 360s in the official MS return boxes. When you go there with a return box, you'll here them say, "Another one?"

And the laser wasn't faulty. It simply has trouble reading depending upon the disk format.

[QUOTE="ukillwegrill"]No one will believe that? why not? Yet we're to believe the my 6th xbox RROD storys ?Pariah_001

I'm more inclined to believe RROD stories since the post-office and retail stores concur with them on record.

PS2's failure rate was as negligible as the PS3's is now.

why is it so hard to believe that? the PS2 was a pile that had a massive failure rate as well.Nedemis

No. It didn't. And no amount of anecdotal evidence will change that.

However many DRE errors there were, there weren't nearly as many as there were RRODs. Not to mention that DRE wasn't a structural problem; it was a disk problem. RROD, on the other hand, is inert to the system.

Excuse me? Care to explainthis? How aboutthis?

Well, it's abundantly clear now that you have no idea what you're talking about.

PS2 had VARIOUS problem throughout its life ... way more then the Xbox, its's just somthing you have to deal with ... ukillwegrill

Thank you for handing me such a general statement. It certainly proves everything you say about the PS2.

[QUOTE="ukillwegrill"]No one will believe that? why not? Yet we're to believe the my 6th xbox RROD storys ?Pariah_001

I'm more inclined to believe RROD stories since the post-office and retail stores concur with them on record.

PS2's failure rate was as negligible as the PS3's is now.

why is it so hard to believe that? the PS2 was a pile that had a massive failure rate as well.Nedemis

No. It didn't. And no amount of anecdotal evidence will change that.

However many DRE errors there were, there weren't nearly as many as there were RRODs. Not to mention that DRE wasn't a structural problem; it was a disk problem. RROD, on the other hand, is inert to the system.

You again. If I remember correctly you are always right and everyone is wrong right? But wait. The fact you are saying the DRE problems were not big is laughable. I went through 3 ps2's buddy and had to buy them all.

[QUOTE="Pariah_001"]

[QUOTE="ukillwegrill"]No one will believe that? why not? Yet we're to believe the my 6th xbox RROD storys ?sirk1264

I'm more inclined to believe RROD stories since the post-office and retail stores concur with them on record.

PS2's failure rate was as negligible as the PS3's is now.

why is it so hard to believe that? the PS2 was a pile that had a massive failure rate as well.Nedemis

No. It didn't. And no amount of anecdotal evidence will change that.

However many DRE errors there were, there weren't nearly as many as there were RRODs. Not to mention that DRE wasn't a structural problem; it was a disk problem. RROD, on the other hand, is inert to the system.

You again. If I remember correctly you are always right and everyone is wrong right? But wait. The fact you are saying the DRE problems were not big is laughable. I went through 3 ps2's buddy and had to buy them all.

I had to buy my second 360, what difference does it make to the point?

Don't believe you. Sorry Sirk.

Excuse me? Care to explainthis? How aboutthis?

Well, it's abundantly clear now that you have no idea what you're talking about.

The_Game21x

Your links don't go anywhere. Try again.

[QUOTE="leejohnson7"][QUOTE="ukillwegrill"]

Oh no, MS cut corners ... careface?

Mine works, if it breaks they'll fix it ... good enough for me. My 5 PS2's had to be bought.

ukillwegrill

Why should you have to pay for a warranty then?

The day this warranty **** becomes illegal the better it will be for all of us. If a product is unfit for purpose it should not be sold.

Im not paying for a warranty ... i get one free.

Lucky you, mine apparently ran out, which is curious to say I had it less than two years. More to the point is that these things shouldn't be timed. You should get 5 years cover for any electrical apliance you buy. I have a 15 year old portable that still works, why does my console pack in like that?

[QUOTE="sirk1264"][QUOTE="Pariah_001"]

[QUOTE="ukillwegrill"]No one will believe that? why not? Yet we're to believe the my 6th xbox RROD storys ?leejohnson7

I'm more inclined to believe RROD stories since the post-office and retail stores concur with them on record.

PS2's failure rate was as negligible as the PS3's is now.

why is it so hard to believe that? the PS2 was a pile that had a massive failure rate as well.Nedemis

No. It didn't. And no amount of anecdotal evidence will change that.

However many DRE errors there were, there weren't nearly as many as there were RRODs. Not to mention that DRE wasn't a structural problem; it was a disk problem. RROD, on the other hand, is inert to the system.

You again. If I remember correctly you are always right and everyone is wrong right? But wait. The fact you are saying the DRE problems were not big is laughable. I went through 3 ps2's buddy and had to buy them all.

I had to buy my second 360, what difference does it make to the point?

The fact he is saying DRE wasn't a big problem during the ps2's lifecycle which it really was.

Don't believe you. Sorry Sirk.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]Excuse me? Care to explainthis? How aboutthis?

Well, it's abundantly clear now that you have no idea what you're talking about.

Pariah_001

Your links don't go anywhere. Try again.

Sorry, allow me to fix those for you. :)

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6139482.html

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news03/playstation.html

Here's another for good measure.

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=61630

Don't believe you. Sorry Sirk.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]Excuse me? Care to explainthis? How aboutthis?

Well, it's abundantly clear now that you have no idea what you're talking about.

Pariah_001

Your links don't go anywhere. Try again.

Well Pariah the reason you don't believe me is because you are a fanboy plain and simple. Like I said according to you, you are always right and everyone else is wrong.

[QUOTE="Pariah_001"]

Don't believe you. Sorry Sirk.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]Excuse me? Care to explainthis? How aboutthis?

Well, it's abundantly clear now that you have no idea what you're talking about.

The_Game21x

Your links don't go anywhere. Try again.

Sorry, allow me to fix those for you. :)

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6139482.html

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news03/playstation.html

Here's another for good measure.

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=61630

There is no point to even try to reason with him because he is unreasonable.

[QUOTE="leejohnson7"][QUOTE="sirk1264"][QUOTE="Pariah_001"]

[QUOTE="ukillwegrill"]No one will believe that? why not? Yet we're to believe the my 6th xbox RROD storys ?sirk1264

I'm more inclined to believe RROD stories since the post-office and retail stores concur with them on record.

PS2's failure rate was as negligible as the PS3's is now.

why is it so hard to believe that? the PS2 was a pile that had a massive failure rate as well.Nedemis

No. It didn't. And no amount of anecdotal evidence will change that.

However many DRE errors there were, there weren't nearly as many as there were RRODs. Not to mention that DRE wasn't a structural problem; it was a disk problem. RROD, on the other hand, is inert to the system.

You again. If I remember correctly you are always right and everyone is wrong right? But wait. The fact you are saying the DRE problems were not big is laughable. I went through 3 ps2's buddy and had to buy them all.

I had to buy my second 360, what difference does it make to the point?

The fact he is saying DRE wasn't a big problem during the ps2's lifecycle which it really was.

Perhaps it was quite bad and unacceptable by any standard, but I doubt it was worse than RROD.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="Pariah_001"]

Don't believe you. Sorry Sirk.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]Excuse me? Care to explainthis? How aboutthis?

Well, it's abundantly clear now that you have no idea what you're talking about.

sirk1264

Your links don't go anywhere. Try again.

Sorry, allow me to fix those for you. :)

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6139482.html

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news03/playstation.html

Here's another for good measure.

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=61630

There is no point to even try to reason with him because he is unreasonable.

In the first link; was there actually any action taken following the law suits?

Sorry, allow me to fix those for you. :)

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6139482.html

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news03/playstation.html

Here's another for good measure.

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=61630

The_Game21x

I don't understand your point. But I do sense a re-occurring pattern amongst the subject matter of your links. Clas saction lawsuit right?

What's the signifigance? Microsoft was facing an organization of clas saction lawsuits before they put the billion dollar three year warranty in place. By what you're implying, RROD consistent occurrence even today should inspire a lawsuit despite the warranty.

Or are you trying to say that because Sony settled that-that's an admission of guilt? In which case, you're just being foolish. Settling is always the favorable route to get people out of the way. It doesn't actually prove that the lawsuits had merit.

[QUOTE="Pariah_001"]

Don't believe you. Sorry Sirk.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]Excuse me? Care to explainthis? How aboutthis?

Well, it's abundantly clear now that you have no idea what you're talking about.

The_Game21x

Your links don't go anywhere. Try again.

Sorry, allow me to fix those for you. :)

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6139482.html

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news03/playstation.html

Here's another for good measure.

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=61630

people need to do the same with ms maybe they fix rrod for good