New Xbox "slim" already hacked.

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#1 lucky_star
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Linky

MS is starting to loose huge ammounts of $$ with all the hacked consoles.

Some of you might have noticed that some of the most popular Torrent sites have many new 360 releases in their top 100 popular torrents.

Same goes for the Wii.

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#2 Chris_Williams
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and people wonder why sony took out linux which was a exploitation risk

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#3 Sky-
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I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft had another mass banning/bricking scheduled when Reach gets released. =O

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#4 gamebreakerz__
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Surely MS would have spent a large amount of time making the slim hack free, it not only means less money but also less dev support.
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and people wonder why sony took out linux which was a exploitation risk

Chris_Williams
they still faced no real threat if it was hacked. The majority of pirates generally wouldnt want to dl 30+gb files for each game then by an extremely expensive blu ray burner and discs just to burn it.
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#7 Chris_Williams
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[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"]

and people wonder why sony took out linux which was a exploitation risk

ferret-gamer
they still faced no real threat if it was hacked. The majority of pirates generally wouldnt want to dl 30+gb files for each game then by an extremely expensive blu ray burner and discs just to burn it.

you don't know how far people will go if they could get ps3 games for free
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#8 danishkhan
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Good for me.
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#9 markinthedark
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generally speaking doesnt piracy help sell consoles?

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#10 bigboss5ak
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Meh, 360 titles continues to sell in the millions so not a major issue
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#11 Chris_Williams
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generally speaking doesnt piracy help sell consoles?

markinthedark
true but it puts a dent in software sells and keeps companies for making game for these consoles so in a way its a double edge sword
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#12 gamebreakerz__
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[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"][QUOTE="Chris_Williams"]

and people wonder why sony took out linux which was a exploitation risk

they still faced no real threat if it was hacked. The majority of pirates generally wouldnt want to dl 30+gb files for each game then by an extremely expensive blu ray burner and discs just to burn it.

The majority maybe but if the PS3 got hacked there would still be a lot of revenue lost. People could just leave the DL on overnight and many games are a lot smaller than 30GB.
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#13 badtaker
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wii is also hacked and wii games can be played on PC it's just a matter to time everything will get hacked and pirated
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#14 gamebreakerz__
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wii is also hacked and wii games can be played on PC it's just a matter to time everything will get hacked and piratedbadtaker
I doubt the PS3 will be hacked, as mentioned above it is undesirable to most hackers and Sony are willing to take drastic action to prevent possible piracy threats.
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#15 lamprey263
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that's already an issue with most consoles, there's always someone willing and resourceful enough to find ways to hack systems, just as there's people willing to use these hacks... though, Microsoft or any other publisher for that matter is probably resourceful enough to manipulate the torrent community with altered versions of the game that broadcast information about the use of hack games directly from the consoles that use them (assuming people use them with the internet), it'd be smarter to start an effort like that than worry than going a route for online access codes and possible multiplayer subscriptions as some publishers are thinking of doing... or hell, they could make viruses and put them in the torrent community that can alter a systems power settings to the point of harm like frying the CPU or any other crafty thing they can think of... I'd love to see something like this
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#16 Shirokishi_
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and people wonder why sony took out linux which was a exploitation risk

Chris_Williams

The PS3 pirate hacks dont take off because of the hassle.

Even with linux still available it wouldnt be problem, pirating is simply to complicated on the PS3.

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#17 skrat_01
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[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"]

and people wonder why sony took out linux which was a exploitation risk

ferret-gamer
they still faced no real threat if it was hacked. The majority of pirates generally wouldnt want to dl 30+gb files for each game then by an extremely expensive blu ray burner and discs just to burn it.

Not exactly, look at the PSP. Smart coders would cut away at the file sizes and develop compression, then it's just a matter of booting the game from storage on a hard disk. Considering Sony ripped away the linux OS after Hello World broke through on it, it's pretty clear it was immediate damage control to potential threats.
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#18 J-WOW
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I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft had another mass banning/bricking scheduled when Reach gets released. =O

Sky-
But that would hurt the Halo Reach sales, M$ aint dumb
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#19 J-WOW
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[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

generally speaking doesnt piracy help sell consoles?

Helps the gamers not the devs and companys
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#20 Chris_Williams
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[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"]

and people wonder why sony took out linux which was a exploitation risk

Shirokishi_

The PS3 pirate hacks dont take off because of the hassle.

Even with linux still available it wouldnt be problem, pirating is simply to complicated on the PS3.

i'm sure its very complicated to try to pirate games on the ps3 but its not impossible and thats why sony said No way jose and removed the linux feature, i would have done the same thing and people say its a hassle but like i said you have no idea what people will go through to be able to pirate ps3 games for free

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#21 ThePlothole
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[QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"][QUOTE="ferret-gamer"][QUOTE="Chris_Williams"]

and people wonder why sony took out linux which was a exploitation risk

they still faced no real threat if it was hacked. The majority of pirates generally wouldnt want to dl 30+gb files for each game then by an extremely expensive blu ray burner and discs just to burn it.

The majority maybe but if the PS3 got hacked there would still be a lot of revenue lost. People could just leave the DL on overnight and many games are a lot smaller than 30GB.

A lot of theoretically lost revenue. There is no actual way of knowing how many of those people who illegality downloaded a game would have otherwise purchased it. And you certainly can't assume that they all would.

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#22 Salt_The_Fries
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Linky

MS is starting to loose huge ammounts of $$ with all the hacked consoles.

lucky_star
Why? Some people were not planning on buying new slim model until it would have become hackable. So, if anything, this will be a profit booster for MS.
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#23 Chris_Williams
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[QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"][QUOTE="ferret-gamer"] they still faced no real threat if it was hacked. The majority of pirates generally wouldnt want to dl 30+gb files for each game then by an extremely expensive blu ray burner and discs just to burn it.ThePlothole
The majority maybe but if the PS3 got hacked there would still be a lot of revenue lost. People could just leave the DL on overnight and many games are a lot smaller than 30GB.

A lot of theoretically lost revenue. There is no actual way of knowing how many of those people who illegality downloaded a game would have otherwise purchased it. And you certainly can't assume that they all would.

well all in all sony removed the only viable way to hack the ps3 so they don't need to worry about this, unless someone somehows finds a way to do it, my friend has a hacked wii and now the 360 is showing it can be hacked also. I'm sure these companies don't care care if its theoretically or not, they don't want their machines hack period
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#24 markinthedark
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[QUOTE="Sky-"]

I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft had another mass banning/bricking scheduled when Reach gets released. =O

J-WOW

But that would hurt the Halo Reach sales, M$ aint dumb

smart thing to do would be to wait a month, getting people hooked on the game... then banning em and hoping they go out and buy everything legit.

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#25 gamebreakerz__
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[QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"][QUOTE="ferret-gamer"] they still faced no real threat if it was hacked. The majority of pirates generally wouldnt want to dl 30+gb files for each game then by an extremely expensive blu ray burner and discs just to burn it.ThePlothole
The majority maybe but if the PS3 got hacked there would still be a lot of revenue lost. People could just leave the DL on overnight and many games are a lot smaller than 30GB.

A lot of theoretically lost revenue. There is no actual way of knowing how many of those people who illegality downloaded a game would have otherwise purchased it. And you certainly can't assume that they all would.

They would have to lose money either way, if the hacking increases sales of consoles then they lose money because PS3 sells at a loss. It's like music downloads, if I had to pay for music I wouldn't download 1/10 of the music I currently do because I would be bankrupt but they are still losing revenue because I would still download music.
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[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

generally speaking doesnt piracy help sell consoles?

Chris_Williams

true but it puts a dent in software sells and keeps companies for making game for these consoles so in a way its a double edge sword

you see what piracy did to the PS2

:o

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#27 Chris_Williams
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[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"][QUOTE="markinthedark"]

generally speaking doesnt piracy help sell consoles?

partyboy219

true but it puts a dent in software sells and keeps companies for making game for these consoles so in a way its a double edge sword

you see what piracy did to the PS2

:o

that was back in the day and this is now and we're in a recession where people aren't buying videogames like they use too, the ps2 and also the xbox could get away with being pirated but times have changed and i don't think companies are going to sit back and let it happen. If this 360 slim hack gets out of control you can believe microsoft is going to do some serious damage control
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#28 Tigerrus
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Currently the PS3 is the only "unhackable" console, but the thing is I don't think anything is unhackable. But if it gets to the point it would takes someone years to hack something they either will try til they hack it or quit. Though if they did hack the PS3 at this point and released the hack to the hacker community. Then they release it to the want-to-be hackers and pirates the PS3 possibly would be in trouble. Though the 360 probably doesn't get too many pirates on it. Though I wonder what percentage of PC gamers download pirated games, what percentage of 360 users download pirated games, and what percentage of Wii users download pirated games. I think the PC would win since they get roms from 360s, Wiis, and other older systems. But I don't know if it would still be the same if it was only PC gamers downloading pirated PC games. And then we look at home many "jailbreaked" ipod touches, compared to hacked PSPs. If publishers and devs start to get "low" sales on 360 games they probably will blame pirates and move to the PS3 even if the game wasn't that great.(like they did with the PC)
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Surely MS would have spent a large amount of time making the slim hack free, it not only means less money but also less dev support.gamebreakerz__
well they will have about as much luck as ubisoft had with it's drm how ever long they spend. you can never stop the hackers and pirates. Only reason ps3 is doing well is because br disks cost more than it's worth.
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[QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"]Surely MS would have spent a large amount of time making the slim hack free, it not only means less money but also less dev support.imprezawrx500
well they will have about as much luck as ubisoft had with it's drm how ever long they spend. you can never stop the hackers and pirates. Only reason ps3 is doing well is because br disks cost more than it's worth.

A lot of effort did went into hacking PS3, hacker's pride comes from breaking something first, BR wasn't what's stopping the hackers.
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#31 soulitane
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The original 360 has been hacked for years and microsoft made money from it, why would it be different now?
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#32 KingsMessenger
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[QUOTE="Shirokishi_"]

[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"]

and people wonder why sony took out linux which was a exploitation risk

Chris_Williams

The PS3 pirate hacks dont take off because of the hassle.

Even with linux still available it wouldnt be problem, pirating is simply to complicated on the PS3.

i'm sure its very complicated to try to pirate games on the ps3 but its not impossible and thats why sony said No way jose and removed the linux feature, i would have done the same thing and people say its a hassle but like i said you have no idea what people will go through to be able to pirate ps3 games for free

it is no less impossible without Linux. It is just even more of a pain...

And the cost associated with trying to even pirate Blu-Ray discs is kind of absurd. $200 RW double layer drives, $7-10 per disc, and HDD space associated with storing 30-50 GB files. The cost just isn't worth it when you can just go with DVDs(and things associated with that) for 1/50th the cost. PC piracy is even higher than Xbox 360 piracy because there isn't even a cost of making discs, all you need is download and then find a crack for the game.

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#33 KingsMessenger
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A lot of effort did went into hacking PS3, hacker's pride comes from breaking something first, BR wasn't what's stopping the hackers.mystervj

No. There was effort into hacking the PS3 but it wasn't even remotely close to being "a lot of effort." There were some groups, but most didn't even bother.

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#34 Pug-Nasty
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I don't get it. Would a 360 s be different to hack than an older 360? Aren't they the same parts, more or less, and the same software (and isn't the software what gets hacked)?

Unless the s model came with a massive firmware update that tightened up the operating system, I don't see why it wouldn't be expected to be hacked.

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#35 JigglyWiggly_
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You guys, this is hacking the DVD drive, this has nothing to do with PS3's Linux. Ps3's Linux was getting root access to the system, which is equivelent of hacking the xbox 360's JTAG(debug feature) to bypass signing. This has been patched by Microsoft via the efuses. There will probably never ever be a way to hack a 360, this is just hacking the 360 dvd which isn't anything special. The same thing can be done to a PS3, regardless of Linux.
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#36 -Snooze-
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Yeah this isn't special.

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I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft had another mass banning/bricking scheduled when Reach gets released. =O

Sky-
That would truly be hilarious :lol:.
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[QUOTE="DethSkematik"][QUOTE="Sky-"]

I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft had another mass banning/bricking scheduled when Reach gets released. =O

That would truly be hilarious :lol:.

Funny thing is they would sell even more consoles because you know Halo fanboys arent missing out on Reach.
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Meh, 360 titles continues to sell in the millions so not a major issuebigboss5ak
So your saying it's ok for the 360 to be hacked and help kill developer sales?
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#40 clone01
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I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft had another mass banning/bricking scheduled when Reach gets released. =O

Sky-
it wouldn't surprise me. to be honest, while i'm not a big fan of MS, i certainly don't blame them.
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[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"]

and people wonder why sony took out linux which was a exploitation risk

ferret-gamer

they still faced no real threat if it was hacked. The majority of pirates generally wouldnt want to dl 30+gb files for each game then by an extremely expensive blu ray burner and discs just to burn it.

the fact that bluray burners are about £150 now and 10 pack writable blurays can be brought for £15 make your points pretty much void, and seeing as i have downloaded games like ME2 and DA:O from steam which are both over 15GB the whole files are to big argument seems a little dated as well.

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#42 markop2003
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generally speaking doesnt piracy help sell consoles?

markinthedark

Which would lose them money. Console manufacturers make the consoles at a loss and then recoup the money from software and accessory sales

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#43 WilliamRLBaker
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Linky

MS is starting to loose huge ammounts of $$ with all the hacked consoles.

Some of you might have noticed that some of the most popular Torrent sites have many new 360 releases in their top 100 popular torrents.

Same goes for the Wii.

lucky_star
and yet the wii and 360 both outsell the ps3 in software sales...every month...as well as total world wide...
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[QUOTE="Sky-"]

I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft had another mass banning/bricking scheduled when Reach gets released. =O

clone01
it wouldn't surprise me. to be honest, while i'm not a big fan of MS, i certainly don't blame them.

If I were ms i'd do it on launch day, midday maybe?
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#45 markinthedark
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[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

generally speaking doesnt piracy help sell consoles?

markop2003

Which would lose them money. Console manufacturers make the consoles at a loss and then recoup the money from software and accessory sales

i dont think MS has been selling consoles at a loss for a long time now... but i could be wrong.

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#46 osan0
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[QUOTE="markop2003"]

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

generally speaking doesnt piracy help sell consoles?

markinthedark

Which would lose them money. Console manufacturers make the consoles at a loss and then recoup the money from software and accessory sales

i dont think MS has been selling consoles at a loss for a long time now... but i could be wrong.

neither do Sony or ninty now. sony have been selling the hardware at a profit since the slim launched and ninty have been selling the wii at a profit since day one.
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What makes the slim less hackable than a regular 360?

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#48 lucky_star
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[QUOTE="lucky_star"]

Linky

MS is starting to loose huge ammounts of $$ with all the hacked consoles.

Some of you might have noticed that some of the most popular Torrent sites have many new 360 releases in their top 100 popular torrents.

Same goes for the Wii.

WilliamRLBaker

and yet the wii and 360 both outsell the ps3 in software sales...every month...as well as total world wide...

I proved you wrong once, do i have to do it again? It did it in 2009, WW.

Here you go http://www.playstationuniversity.com/ps3-software-sales-outstrip-xbox-360s-ps3-attach-rate-up-to-8-1-3807/ PWNED

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#49 clone01
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[QUOTE="Richymisiak"][QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="Sky-"]

I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft had another mass banning/bricking scheduled when Reach gets released. =O

it wouldn't surprise me. to be honest, while i'm not a big fan of MS, i certainly don't blame them.

If I were ms i'd do it on launch day, midday maybe?

a day after launch...can you imagine how mad pirates would be? having just really started investing some time in the game, and poof! bricked.