New York Times - How Microsoft is Ditching the Console Wars

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#101 BenjaminBanklin
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@Pedro said:

@BenjaminBanklin: Still bitter that you are FORCED to pay full price while I enjoy ~52% off. 😂

@SolidGame_basic said:

I just wonder where all of you were when Sony came out with PS Now years before Game Pass came along 😄

You mean the service that is 1/8th GamePass subs?

You're not impressing anyone by lying about getting "discounted" Sony games from a fictitious dev. So weird 🤣🤣🤣

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#102 deactivated-63d2876fd4204
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Also.... Engadget reports Microsoft is making their own streaming sticks...

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/xbox-cloud-streaming-hardware-game-pass-e3-2021-130019814.html

Console who?

exactly..

how are we supposed to be still counting console units sold as a measure of who's winning the console wars when one company is going to be putting their brand new games on TV apps and streaming sticks.. no console required..

how are we supposed to compare one company who needs you to buy their new console vs another company who's actively taking the need to buy a console out of the equation?.. how is that still "console wars"?..

the answers to those questions seem pretty obvious to anyone paying attention to current events..

Well it’s a good thing hardware sales aren’t the only metric out there...

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#103  Edited By Pedro
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@BenjaminBanklin said:

You're not impressing anyone by lying about getting "discounted" Sony games from a fictitious dev. So weird 🤣🤣🤣

When you have been proven wrong and you don't know what to do. 😂🤣

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#104 BenjaminBanklin
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@Pedro said:

When you have been proven wrong and you don't know what to do. 😂🤣

You haven't "proven" shit. Except how deluded you are. 🤣 It's okay to buy Sony games at full price.

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#105 Antwan3K
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@goldenelementxl: historically, the measure of who's winning the console war was been console units sold.. Not really a valid measure when one major player is openly saying "you don't have to buy our console"..

Besides, Nintendo themselves said they are no longer competing with Microsoft and Sony.. Microsoft said they don't see Sony and Nintendo has competition.. The companies themselves are saying the war is over yet here you are still claiming otherwise?.. Why?..

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@Antwan3K said:

@goldenelementxl: historically, the measure of who's winning the console war was been console units sold.. Not really a valid measure when one major player is openly saying "you don't have to buy our console"..

Besides, Nintendo themselves said they are no longer competing with Microsoft and Sony.. Microsoft said they don't see Sony and Nintendo has competition.. The companies themselves are saying the war is over yet here you are still claiming otherwise?.. Why?..

If the war is over, why are these 3 buying up studios and making games exclusive that weren't in the past? Why are timed exclusives and marketing rights a thing? Those are odd things for companies that aren't competing to do, no?

This board has had many different metrics for success in the past. Exclusive lists. Review scores. Power. You can move the goalpost all you want. But you can't rewrite history OR misrepresent what's going on right now.

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Man, Pedro got destroyed again. 🤭

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#108 Pedro
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@BenjaminBanklin: Still bitter you are paying full price. 😂🤣 I also paid the same for Returnal. 😎

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#109  Edited By Antwan3K
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@goldenelementxl: you're just about the only one in this thread besides rabid cows who's claiming the console wars are still a thing..

Take a second to reflect on that..

The companies themselves have said they've exited the console wars and you're still moo'ing something different.. Again, why?..

These companies are buying up exclusives because "ecosystem wars" is what's on the horizon.. Are you really this clueless about what's happening in gaming?..

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#112 SolidGame_basic
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@BenjaminBanklin said:
@Pedro said:

@BenjaminBanklin: Still bitter that you are FORCED to pay full price while I enjoy ~52% off. 😂

@SolidGame_basic said:

I just wonder where all of you were when Sony came out with PS Now years before Game Pass came along 😄

You mean the service that is 1/8th GamePass subs?

You're not impressing anyone by lying about getting "discounted" Sony games from a fictitious dev. So weird 🤣🤣🤣

😄

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@Antwan3K: But Ive said it’s not just a “console war.” I’ve said the war and the way it’s being fought has evolved. I’m not saying what you’re fighting me on. You keep claiming the big 3 aren’t competing. Those blurbs you keep referencing are their ways of saying “we’re different than our competition.” “We’ve evolved.” That’s more PR and marketing tactics. They’re trying to portray their strategy as superior to the competition. And if Phil didn’t see PlayStation as a competitor, he wouldn’t be taking jabs at them in the media.

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#114 cainetao11
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@Pedro said:
@xantufrog said:

I did think SW is essentially dead as it was originally conceptualized. But I do think as long as the companies have their own spin on things people will have things to argue. We've seen how "lively" PS vs Xbox debates remain in the postmortem era for both being 1) about hardware sales and 2) being independent from PC. The hard part will be to define the battlegrounds - clearly it can't be console sales. Clearly it can't be exclusives. So what counts as a "score"?

I say skip the scores and just enjoy gaming. 😊

Well said.

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#115 Pedro
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Well said.

Especially when you can for less. 😁

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#116 cainetao11
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@Pedro: no doubt

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#117  Edited By Antwan3K
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@goldenelementxl: first off, you keep trying to claim I'm saying they are not competing when I've clearly said they are competing for your time and money just like ANY company is going to compete for your time and money.. I literally said, "I agree" on that point so not sure why you're still pretending you can't read..

Secondly, you literally stated "the console war isn't dead" and proceeded to try and back up that claim with clear evidence that the console war is indeed dead..

You keep saying it's "evolved" as if that doesn't mean the very concept is any less outdated.. If all the traditional rules of how the "console wars" were fought and measured have changed (or "evolved"), the traditional idea of a console war is dead.. One company doesn't even have exclusives anymore.. That same company doesn't need you to buy a console anymore.. It's not console wars anymore when "exclusives" and "console sales" aren't even key factors for one of the main players..

Now, if you want to debate on what it is now and/or where it's going, fine.. I'm calling it "ecosystem wars" though that doesn't quite have the same ring to it.. But when the very companies involved have publicly said they've left direct "console war" competition, it's time to move on from that concept..