**NEWS** The PS3's Cell CPU Is Going 45nm in 2009!

Japan heavyweights Sony and Toshiba are expected to move production of the Cell Broadband Engine chip to 45nm next year, later than previously predicted. Set to be used within new, cooler and hopefully cheaper PlayStation 3 consoles, the 45nm Cell will also be made by IBM and will consume 40% less power and be 34% smaller than the current 65nm-made chip.

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With the 45nm chip and the laptop Blu-Ray drive, we might see a slim PS3 next year.

With the 45nm chip and the laptop Blu-Ray drive, we might see a slim PS3 next year.

CubanBlunt

they're going to put in a faster blu-ray drive?

[QUOTE="CubanBlunt"]

With the 45nm chip and the laptop Blu-Ray drive, we might see a slim PS3 next year.

hiphop_quotable

they're going to put in a faster blu-ray drive?

Where did he say faster?

Chip as chip dont take much space anyway,what they need to shrink are other partsLidve

The problem is when the chips create too much heat, that is probably one of the biggest reasons why you can't make a console smaller (because the heat is too much......just look at the X360, you won't see a slim X360 coming anytime soon). If the chip does reduce the heat that much I predict the PS3 will lose a lot of its weight and hopefully they can make it a lot more affordable at the same time (like $249-$299)

[QUOTE="Lidve"]Chip as chip dont take much space anyway,what they need to shrink are other partsdarthogre

The problem is when the chips create too much heat, that is probably one of the biggest reasons why you can't make a console smaller (because the heat is too much......just look at the X360, you won't see a slim X360 coming anytime soon). If the chip does reduce the heat that much I predict the PS3 will lose a lot of its weight and hopefully they can make it a lot more affordable at the same time (like $249-$299)

I dont see connection between heat and size (except if you use large cooling fan which make more noise but thats story for itself)

Sweet, good news if they make it thiner cause I'd like to own a blu-ray player.MickeyTheNinja

What's stopping you from buying one now? No one said that you had to buy a PS3........like thats the only Blu-ray player that's out there.

[QUOTE="darthogre"]

[QUOTE="Lidve"]Chip as chip dont take much space anyway,what they need to shrink are other partsLidve

The problem is when the chips create too much heat, that is probably one of the biggest reasons why you can't make a console smaller (because the heat is too much......just look at the X360, you won't see a slim X360 coming anytime soon). If the chip does reduce the heat that much I predict the PS3 will lose a lot of its weight and hopefully they can make it a lot more affordable at the same time (like $249-$299)

I dont see connection between heat and size (except if you use large cooling fan which make more noise but thats story for itself)

You should read the technical reasons why the X360 has so many problems from overheating. There was a nice story that someone wrote (very technical) of why the PS3 and X360 are so bulky.....one reason was because the machines generate too much heat. In order to circulate the air correctly and make sure the system doesn't have a melt down, it needs the proper room. To make the PS3 and X360 smaller you would need to have all the pieces closer together....which means if it's already running hot it will run even hotter. If the chip can reduce the heat, you can smash a bunch of pieces together where normally you would need suffient room to separate them. Then as you said you can remove other stuff like large cooling fans or perhaps heat sinks.

It's all about controlling the heat these days.......you can make the gigantic PS3 smaller if you can make it cooler. When you look at the X360, it's the reason why they were so desperate to get a cooler chip although the design overall had problem besides that.

[QUOTE="darthogre"]

[QUOTE="Lidve"]Chip as chip dont take much space anyway,what they need to shrink are other partsLidve

The problem is when the chips create too much heat, that is probably one of the biggest reasons why you can't make a console smaller (because the heat is too much......just look at the X360, you won't see a slim X360 coming anytime soon). If the chip does reduce the heat that much I predict the PS3 will lose a lot of its weight and hopefully they can make it a lot more affordable at the same time (like $249-$299)

I dont see connection between heat and size (except if you use large cooling fan which make more noise but thats story for itself)

Well when they shrink the dye it reduces both they physical size, power consumption and heat.

[QUOTE="MickeyTheNinja"]Sweet, good news if they make it thiner cause I'd like to own a blu-ray player.Vectah_Sigma

What's stopping you from buying one now? No one said that you had to buy a PS3........like thats the only Blu-ray player that's out there.

Money wise right now. No money for the expensive movies and I know there will be a slimmer/better PS3. So I cant wait.

Wow, like someone else said with laptop blu ray rrives and this, we will see cheaper, and smaller ps3's.

If they can get these out sometime next year it would do wonders for sonys sales. Its the sort of thing people will wait for.

[QUOTE="Lidve"][QUOTE="darthogre"]

[QUOTE="Lidve"]Chip as chip dont take much space anyway,what they need to shrink are other partsdarthogre

The problem is when the chips create too much heat, that is probably one of the biggest reasons why you can't make a console smaller (because the heat is too much......just look at the X360, you won't see a slim X360 coming anytime soon). If the chip does reduce the heat that much I predict the PS3 will lose a lot of its weight and hopefully they can make it a lot more affordable at the same time (like $249-$299)

I dont see connection between heat and size (except if you use large cooling fan which make more noise but thats story for itself)

You should read the technical reasons why the X360 has so many problems from overheating. There was a nice story that someone wrote (very technical) of why the PS3 and X360 are so bulky.....one reason was because the machines generate too much heat. In order to circulate the air correctly and make sure the system doesn't have a melt down, it needs the proper room. To make the PS3 and X360 smaller you would need to have all the pieces closer together....which means if it's already running hot it will run even hotter. If the chip can reduce the heat, you can smash a bunch of pieces together where normally you would need suffient room to separate them. Then as you said you can remove other stuff like large cooling fans or perhaps heat sinks.

It's all about controlling the heat these days.......you can make the gigantic PS3 smaller if you can make it cooler. When you look at the X360, it's the reason why they were so desperate to get a cooler chip although the design overall had problem besides that.

That makes sense,but why dont they try this :lol:

With the 45nm chip and the laptop Blu-Ray drive, we might see a slim PS3 next year.

CubanBlunt

That would actually be sweet. The only problem is the GPU and the harddrive, yet they already use laptop harddrives.

That makes sense,but why dont they try this :lol:

Lidve

wow, where did you get a pic of the PS4?

[QUOTE="Lidve"]That makes sense,but why dont they try this :lol:

darthogre

wow, where did you get a pic of the PS4?

wow that must be powerfull.

I want one :P

[QUOTE="Vectah_Sigma"]

[QUOTE="MickeyTheNinja"]Sweet, good news if they make it thiner cause I'd like to own a blu-ray player.MickeyTheNinja

What's stopping you from buying one now? No one said that you had to buy a PS3........like thats the only Blu-ray player that's out there.

Money wise right now. No money for the expensive movies and I know there will be a slimmer/better PS3. So I cant wait.

Again, why do you need a PS3, if you are going to use it just to watch movies on? Bestbuy has them starting at $230

Again, why do you need a PS3, if you are going to use it just to watch movies on? Bestbuy has them starting at $230

Vectah_Sigma

And of course there is the fact that it's a game console...

[QUOTE="Vectah_Sigma"]

Again, why do you need a PS3, if you are going to use it just to watch movies on? Bestbuy has them starting at $230

Teufelhuhn

And of course there is the fact that it's a game console...

He said nothing about having "the best", all he said was that he wanted a blu-ray playing.

People bash the PS3, but yet, they want one.

[QUOTE="CubanBlunt"]

With the 45nm chip and the laptop Blu-Ray drive, we might see a slim PS3 next year.

Wasdie

That would actually be sweet. The only problem is the GPU and the harddrive, yet they already use laptop harddrives.

You saw what they did with the PS2, GPU and hardware has nothing to do with it now days, back in the early 90's maybe, but not 2008-2009

With the 45nm chip and the laptop Blu-Ray drive, we might see a slim PS3 next year.

CubanBlunt

"slim" is very relative...but yes, we'll probably see a thinner PS3.

not much thinner. but maybe a little bit.

[QUOTE="CubanBlunt"]

With the 45nm chip and the laptop Blu-Ray drive, we might see a slim PS3 next year.

Dreams-Visions

"slim" is very relative...but yes, we'll probably see a thinner PS3.

not much thinner. but maybe a little bit.

Sony calls the PS2 "Slim"

[QUOTE="Wasdie"][QUOTE="CubanBlunt"]

With the 45nm chip and the laptop Blu-Ray drive, we might see a slim PS3 next year.

CubanBlunt

That would actually be sweet. The only problem is the GPU and the harddrive, yet they already use laptop harddrives.

You saw what they did with the PS2, GPU and hardware has nothing to do with it now days, back in the early 90's maybe, but not 2008-2009

.... now the GPU and harddrive are the main issue...

As is, the harddrive in the PS3 is a laptop HDD.

As for the GPU, it isn't massive but it IS large. Larger than the Cell was at least.

And you want to talk about big cards...

The GTX 280 is simply monstrous.

That isn't what is in the PS3 but you saying that GPU size is an issue of the past is quite literally incorrect.

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="CubanBlunt"]

With the 45nm chip and the laptop Blu-Ray drive, we might see a slim PS3 next year.

CubanBlunt

"slim" is very relative...but yes, we'll probably see a thinner PS3.

not much thinner. but maybe a little bit.

Sony calls the PS2 "Slim"

I don't think the next PS3 will be very slim. "slimmer" maybe. but not "slim" relative to the PS2 or even Xbox 360.

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="Vectah_Sigma"]

Again, why do you need a PS3, if you are going to use it just to watch movies on? Bestbuy has them starting at $230

Vectah_Sigma

And of course there is the fact that it's a game console...

He said nothing about having "the best", all he said was that he wanted a blu-ray playing.

People bash the PS3, but yet, they want one.

I dont have to say "the best blu-ray player". The fact that the PS3 is a gaming system, and a blu-ray player makes me ones to get one more than a crappy player that only plays movies.

[QUOTE="Vectah_Sigma"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="Vectah_Sigma"]

Again, why do you need a PS3, if you are going to use it just to watch movies on? Bestbuy has them starting at $230

MickeyTheNinja

And of course there is the fact that it's a game console...

He said nothing about having "the best", all he said was that he wanted a blu-ray playing.

People bash the PS3, but yet, they want one.

I dont have to say "the best blu-ray player". The fact that the PS3 is a gaming system, and a blu-ray player makes me ones to get one more than a crappy player that only plays movies.

So you want a PS3 because??????

[QUOTE="Vectah_Sigma"]

Again, why do you need a PS3, if you are going to use it just to watch movies on? Bestbuy has them starting at $230

Teufelhuhn

And of course there is the fact that it's a game console...

Is it still true that it's one of the best BR players? I know that was the story last year, but when I checked my recent Best Buy flyer, there were a ton more choices in affordable players...

Really, just curious if there are any websites with recent comparisons.

As for the die shrinkage, good stuff, but I'll still only be interested once it translates into a price drop.

With the 45nm chip and the laptop Blu-Ray drive, we might see a slim PS3 next year.

CubanBlunt

[QUOTE="darthogre"]

[QUOTE="Lidve"]Chip as chip dont take much space anyway,what they need to shrink are other partsLidve

The problem is when the chips create too much heat, that is probably one of the biggest reasons why you can't make a console smaller (because the heat is too much......just look at the X360, you won't see a slim X360 coming anytime soon). If the chip does reduce the heat that much I predict the PS3 will lose a lot of its weight and hopefully they can make it a lot more affordable at the same time (like $249-$299)

I dont see connection between heat and size (except if you use large cooling fan which make more noise but thats story for itself)

cool, although i think it's too early for a slim ps3.

sony is better off sticking with the now what is it 80 gig?

they should just stick with one sku and upgrade it iinternally and maybe drop the price.

[QUOTE="Lidve"]Chip as chip dont take much space anyway,what they need to shrink are other partsdarthogre

The problem is when the chips create too much heat, that is probably one of the biggest reasons why you can't make a console smaller (because the heat is too much......just look at the X360, you won't see a slim X360 coming anytime soon). If the chip does reduce the heat that much I predict the PS3 will lose a lot of its weight and hopefully they can make it a lot more affordable at the same time (like $249-$299)

MS is a poor example hardware wise. You wont see MS make a smaller version of the 360 because they're just too dumb. they cant even get their first design right.

[QUOTE="darthogre"]

[QUOTE="Lidve"]Chip as chip dont take much space anyway,what they need to shrink are other partsLOXO7

The problem is when the chips create too much heat, that is probably one of the biggest reasons why you can't make a console smaller (because the heat is too much......just look at the X360, you won't see a slim X360 coming anytime soon). If the chip does reduce the heat that much I predict the PS3 will lose a lot of its weight and hopefully they can make it a lot more affordable at the same time (like $249-$299)

MS is a poor example hardware wise. You wont see MS make a smaller version of the 360 because they're just too dumb. they cant even get their first design right.

Theyve reduced the CPU, theyve added a new GPU heatsink (the primary cause for RROD) and are now going even further by reducing the GPU. On top of that HDMI not forgetting how the Falcon 360s take up HALF the power of the original 360s

MS is teh retarded!

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="Vectah_Sigma"]

Again, why do you need a PS3, if you are going to use it just to watch movies on? Bestbuy has them starting at $230

phatrawk

And of course there is the fact that it's a game console...

Is it still true that it's one of the best BR players? I know that was the story last year, but when I checked my recent Best Buy flyer, there were a ton more choices in affordable players...

Really, just curious if there are any websites with recent comparisons.

As for the die shrinkage, good stuff, but I'll still only be interested once it translates into a price drop.

So you think MS are so dumb they are going to keep their design from becoming inefficient:|

Theyve reduced the CPU, theyve added a new GPU heatsink (the primary cause for RROD) and are now going even further by reducing the GPU. On top of that HDMI not forgetting how the Falcon 360s take up HALF the power of the original 360s

MS is teh retarded!

FirstDiscovery

I never said they wouldnt correct their mistakes. ::monkeyface::

Just you wont see a Smaller 360 EVER. and if so, my defense will be "MS copied" :cry:

[QUOTE="FirstDiscovery"]

So you think MS are so dumb they are going to keep their design from becoming inefficient:|

Theyve reduced the CPU, theyve added a new GPU heatsink (the primary cause for RROD) and are now going even further by reducing the GPU. On top of that HDMI not forgetting how the Falcon 360s take up HALF the power of the original 360s

MS is teh retarded!

LOXO7

I never said they wouldnt correct their mistakes. ::monkeyface::

Just you wont see a Smaller 360 EVER. and if so, my defense will be "MS copied" :cry:

will not buy, but hey! good thing for us cows.

more people ONLINE!!! suhweet...

Chip as chip dont take much space anyway,what they need to shrink are other partsLidve

uh, smaller size isn't the only advantage to 45nm tech

smaller transistors are faster and cheaper......and are superior to larger transistors in pretty much all aspects

With the 45nm chip and the laptop Blu-Ray drive, we might see a slim PS3 next year.

CubanBlunt

except the 7800gtx based gpu is one hungry power monster, better get shrunk fast if you want a slim ps3

[QUOTE="Lidve"][QUOTE="darthogre"]

[QUOTE="Lidve"]Chip as chip dont take much space anyway,what they need to shrink are other partsdarthogre

The problem is when the chips create too much heat, that is probably one of the biggest reasons why you can't make a console smaller (because the heat is too much......just look at the X360, you won't see a slim X360 coming anytime soon). If the chip does reduce the heat that much I predict the PS3 will lose a lot of its weight and hopefully they can make it a lot more affordable at the same time (like $249-$299)

I dont see connection between heat and size (except if you use large cooling fan which make more noise but thats story for itself)

You should read the technical reasons why the X360 has so many problems from overheating. There was a nice story that someone wrote (very technical) of why the PS3 and X360 are so bulky.....one reason was because the machines generate too much heat. In order to circulate the air correctly and make sure the system doesn't have a melt down, it needs the proper room. To make the PS3 and X360 smaller you would need to have all the pieces closer together....which means if it's already running hot it will run even hotter. If the chip can reduce the heat, you can smash a bunch of pieces together where normally you would need suffient room to separate them. Then as you said you can remove other stuff like large cooling fans or perhaps heat sinks.

It's all about controlling the heat these days.......you can make the gigantic PS3 smaller if you can make it cooler. When you look at the X360, it's the reason why they were so desperate to get a cooler chip although the design overall had problem besides that.

basicly the reason why they are so big is the chose the slow hot cpus. intel's and esspecilly amd's cpus from 2005 produce way less heat tha ppc chips, its one of the main reason apple dropped them because they couldn't be put into a laptop without frying.

modern c2d have tiny heatsinks and they work just fine at stock speeds and complety destory the power pc based cores in consoles. If a core 2 duo and highend gpu can be put in a micro atx case with no probs why does the 360 overheat so much? basicly because ms doesn't seem to know anything about airflow and the fact ppc chips are really bad with heat, especilly 3 3.2ghz cores. but really why block the main air intake with the hdd? they really should have had a propper air intake.