Next gen consoles will be more like PC's

I think PS4 and X720 will be more like PC in terms of upgrading the graphics card and RAM. Just not as complex as PC. The amount of media and things PS3 & X360 can do compared to last gen is astounding. I feel like next gen consoles will go more PC, thus not holding back PC's anymore. I don't think Sony and Microsoft will just pop in another graphics card and say ok here's next gen. With how fast technology is going I can see that happening.

Wii 2 on the other hand I'm not sure of. :roll:

What do you think?

What would be the point of getting a console then? SAGE_OF_FIRE

If consoles become upgrdable, there will be no need for them whatsoever.

The reason this console gen has lasted so long without having to change it's hardware is because optimization is easier for consoles because they all have the exact same hardware unlike PCs where everyone can have what he wants.

I think PS4 and X720 will be more like PC in terms of upgrading the graphics card and RAM. Just not as complex as PC. The amount of media and things PS3 & X360 can do compared to last gen is astounding. I feel like next gen consoles will go more PC, thus not holding back PC's anymore. I don't think Sony and Microsoft will just pop in another graphics card and say ok here's next gen. With how fast technology is going I can see that happening.

Wii 2 on the other hand I'm not sure of. :roll:

I think PS4 and X720 will be more like PC in terms of upgrading the graphics card and RAM. Just not as complex as PC. The amount of media and things PS3 & X360 can do compared to last gen is astounding. I feel like next gen consoles will go more PC, thus not holding back PC's anymore. I don't think Sony and Microsoft will just pop in another graphics card and say ok here's next gen. With how fast technology is going I can see that happening.

Wii 2 on the other hand I'm not sure of. :roll:

What do you think?

Blazerdt47

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I think PS4 and X720 will be more like PC in terms of upgrading the graphics card and RAM. Just not as complex as PC. The amount of media and things PS3 & X360 can do compared to last gen is astounding. I feel like next gen consoles will go more PC, thus not holding back PC's anymore. I don't think Sony and Microsoft will just pop in another graphics card and say ok here's next gen. With how fast technology is going I can see that happening.

Wii 2 on the other hand I'm not sure of. :roll:

streetridaz

Lol no I already have an awesome gaming PC. :PI'm just guessing what next gen will be like. They can't keep going the traditional console route with tech evolving so rapidly.

No

wont happen, PS4 and Xbox 720 will be the same, just better hardware

No i don't think your gonna see consoles ever become upgradeable in that way.

remember Sega Genesis add ons and the N64's memory expansion, they didn't catch on with the public.

People are content/happy/excited (however you wanna use it) to have a great looking games on an easy to use box that you only have to upgrade it every 5 or so years.

I say great looking because regardless what the hermits will throw on the screen, the vast majority of people would agree it looks great, but then in comes apparent costs and maintainence, trouble shooting and all the downsides (or upsides depending what type of person you are) when dealing with PC, usually scare off most people i know.

I think the death of the consoles is gonna happen if something like Onlive and Cloud-based gaming really takes off, but for it to work there needs be a well integrated internet set up which at least the United States does not have quite yet. But i don't think it would be so much the 'death' of consoles but rather the rebirth. The cheaper way of playing very high end games with no worries of having a static box. Sort of like the ultimate PC/console combination. the user doesn't have to upgrade and it is always looks the best, given how good the user's internet connection is.

[QUOTE="streetridaz"][QUOTE="Blazerdt47"]

I think PS4 and X720 will be more like PC in terms of upgrading the graphics card and RAM. Just not as complex as PC. The amount of media and things PS3 & X360 can do compared to last gen is astounding. I feel like next gen consoles will go more PC, thus not holding back PC's anymore. I don't think Sony and Microsoft will just pop in another graphics card and say ok here's next gen. With how fast technology is going I can see that happening.

Wii 2 on the other hand I'm not sure of. :roll:

Blazerdt47

Lol no I already have an awesome gaming PC. :PI'm just guessing what next gen will be like. They can't keep going the traditional console route with tech evolving so rapidly.

With a comment from your previous thread "the only advantage PCs have over consoles is graphics" I find it really, really hard to believe that you have a gaming PC.

If you can upgrade the GPU and RAM on a console....it's no longer a console. KC_Hokie

They already are. But hardware console add-ons died with the N64 and I sincerely doubt they will return.

If you can upgrade the GPU and RAM on a console....it's no longer a console. KC_Hokie

Looks like someone doesn't know about the N64 RAM expansion :P

Consoles will never be upgradable, the normal consumer just doesn't want to deal with hardware.

They already are. But hardware console add-ons died with the N64 and I sincerely doubt they will return.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]If you can upgrade the GPU and RAM on a console....it's no longer a console. nameless12345

Looks like someone doesn't know about the N64 RAM expansion :P

They already are. But hardware console add-ons died with the N64 and I sincerely doubt they will return.

nameless12345

Probably won't. But multi platform development wasn't near what it is today, it would be fairly easy to target a few different hardware specs on a single console. I mean this already happens with PC games...

It's also important to note that the N64 memory expansion would probably never see the light of day if Nintendo wouldn't develop the failed Japan-only N64 add-on called 64DD.

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

They already are. But hardware console add-ons died with the N64 and I sincerely doubt they will return.

Captain__Tripps

Probably won't. But multi platform development wasn't near what it is today, it would be fairly easy to target a few different hardware specs on a single console. I mean this already happens with PC games...

The thing is the 360 and PS3 are very close in terms of hardware. The CPU in PS3 is stronger than the one in the 360, but the graphics chip and RAM are on par. So the difference in multiplats is smaller than it was between PS2 and Xbox and even Genesis and SNES.

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

They already are. But hardware console add-ons died with the N64 and I sincerely doubt they will return.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]If you can upgrade the GPU and RAM on a console....it's no longer a console. KC_Hokie

Looks like someone doesn't know about the N64 RAM expansion :P

There is no GPU expansion but you can overclock the N64 :P

And I think it was possible to change the CPU in Xbox with a faster one (1 Ghz Pentium III).

Given the trouble Sony is having right now, I'd expect consoles to be even more locked down than they currently are.

The manufacturers want to be in total control of how their hardware is used and how the software is distributed. DRM, digital downloads and proprietary file formats all contribute towards that.

And that's without ensuring a consistent platform for developers.

The thing is the 360 and PS3 are very close in terms of hardware. The CPU in PS3 is stronger than the one in the 360, but the graphics chip and RAM are on par. So the difference in multiplats is smaller than it was between PS2 and Xbox and even Genesis and SNES.

nameless12345

But the world already has a PC-like platform that does almost everything that a PC does (except run a descent game). Its called a Mac.

Thats nonsense , upgrades and addons never worked on consoles (early 90s Sega Mega CD anyone?)

Consoles were always about running games awesomely in the first years since release and just barely running them near the end. And people were contend with that cuz they knew theyll buy the console and game for 6-7, and yes even up to 10 years, on it and replay those games again and again for years to come as long as the console is operational (try and run some Win 95/98 or worse DOS games on a modern multy core CPU with a powerful GPU PC).Thats what consoles will always have - you put the game in and press start. No driver updates,no hardware upgrades.Its just about playing a game.How would that work if a console needs a GPU update every year or so? PC gaming thats how , youll have to wait untill you have the $ for that sweet new graphics card thats just a little better than your old one but cost 3 times as much.If you want something more software wise open up that notebook and go rant on some gaming site , as I am doing right now.I mean what do you want? MS Office controlled by gamepad and Kinect?!?!? I cant imagine a normal person would even consider the possibility of using ,lets say , paint shop pro or gimp on a device made exclusively for gaming

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[QUOTE="streetridaz"] You keep posting these similar oriented topics. Sounds to me like you would love for your xbox or ps to be a gaming pc almost so bad you're trying to justify it. Just get yourself a gaming pc and enjoy it! Basically once a console can compete with a PC and all that PC's can do. The console will then become a PC.coreybg

Lol no I already have an awesome gaming PC. :PI'm just guessing what next gen will be like. They can't keep going the traditional console route with tech evolving so rapidly.

With a comment from your previous thread "the only advantage PCs have over consoles is graphics" I find it really, really hard to believe that you have a gaming PC.

In general, yes the only advantage is graphics. Consoles can have sound/gameplay just as well as PC's can.

Don't think it will work. Remember that there are gamers who don't like upgrading stuff like on pc for example so they like playing on consoles because they don't have to do anything. Don't get me wrong I own a PC and don't mind on upgrading it but there are people who don't so they go for the consoles instead. I remember how annoying it was for the N64 when some of their newer games needed that expanion pak. Maybe it wasn't a big deal for other people but it was to me and would not like to see that happen to consoles again.

Don't think it will work. Remember that there are gamers who don't like upgrading stuff like on pc for example so they like playing on consoles because they don't have to do anything. Don't get me wrong I own a PC and don't mind on upgrading it but there are people who don't so they go for the consoles instead. I remember how annoying it was for the N64 when some of their newer games needed that expanion pak. Maybe it wasn't a big deal for other people but it was to me and would not like to see that happen to consoles again.

Warhawk_

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Don't think it will work. Remember that there are gamers who don't like upgrading stuff like on pc for example so they like playing on consoles because they don't have to do anything. Don't get me wrong I own a PC and don't mind on upgrading it but there are people who don't so they go for the consoles instead. I remember how annoying it was for the N64 when some of their newer games needed that expanion pak. Maybe it wasn't a big deal for other people but it was to me and would not like to see that happen to consoles again.

Captain__Tripps

Yeah but lets say that the next consoles do act like the pc, I will bet you that game developers would still make the requirements for some of their games much higher that you have no choice but to grade your console in order to play it. No thanks, it only works on pc's not consoles.

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[QUOTE="Blazerdt47"]

Lol no I already have an awesome gaming PC. :PI'm just guessing what next gen will be like. They can't keep going the traditional console route with tech evolving so rapidly.

Blazerdt47

With a comment from your previous thread "the only advantage PCs have over consoles is graphics" I find it really, really hard to believe that you have a gaming PC.

In general, yes the only advantage is graphics. Consoles can have sound/gameplay just as well as PC's can.

Go check your other topic and think about those advantages.

[QUOTE="Captain__Tripps"][QUOTE="Warhawk_"]

Don't think it will work. Remember that there are gamers who don't like upgrading stuff like on pc for example so they like playing on consoles because they don't have to do anything. Don't get me wrong I own a PC and don't mind on upgrading it but there are people who don't so they go for the consoles instead. I remember how annoying it was for the N64 when some of their newer games needed that expanion pak. Maybe it wasn't a big deal for other people but it was to me and would not like to see that happen to consoles again.

Warhawk_

Yeah but lets say that the next consoles do act like the pc, I will bet you that game developers would still make the requirements for some of their games much higher that you have no choice but to grade your console in order to play it. No thanks, it only works on pc's not consoles.

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[QUOTE="Captain__Tripps"] Well what they should do is simply not require it, and offer it as an option. But first party console nazis don't like options, they only like requirements... :-PCaptain__Tripps

Yeah but lets say that the next consoles do act like the pc, I will bet you that game developers would still make the requirements for some of their games much higher that you have no choice but to grade your console in order to play it. No thanks, it only works on pc's not consoles.

Maybe they would do that. I mean why play a game with the lower settings when you really want to have the maximum settings on your console but you may have to upgrade it? That would be like in Gears Of War 3 or Uncharted 3, gamers would have to upgrade in order to have the full experience in order to play them. Again it works well in PC's but not consoles. And as for Crysis 2 I'm going to play it on my pc like it was meant to be rather then on my PS3 :)

The largest hurdle facing next-gen consoles will be the hardware failure rates and heat dissipation.

For example, PS3 has a modified 7-Series GeForce GPU chip. If PS4 goes to say, the 8-Series, then that chip will put out more heat than the PS3's GPU.

Casuals don't buy pcs? Umm yeah they do, PC probably has the most casuals, and the most hardcore players. Captain__Tripps

I meant, them buying knowing the parts that come within the PC or building it from scratch.A lot of people just look at the price and how the laptop or desktoplooks.

I would think having upgradable hardware on consoles would alienate a good portion of the market. If someone releases a game that requires said upgradable part, they would lose money because some people wouldn't want to pay for the game and then turn around and pay for the part as well.

Consoles are something you can jump in and out of easily. There is no need to make it complicated.

The largest hurdle facing next-gen consoles will be the hardware failure rates and heat dissipation.

For example, PS3 has a modified 7-Series GeForce GPU chip. If PS4 goes to say, the 8-Series, then that chip will put out more heat than the PS3's GPU.

topsemag55

I would think having upgradable hardware on consoles would alienate a good portion of the market. If someone releases a game that requires said upgradable part, they would lose money because some people wouldn't want to pay for the game and then turn around and pay for the part as well.

Consoles are something you can jump in and out of easily. There is no need to make it complicated.

Valiant_Rebel

This. One of the main reasons why consoles sell it's because you don't have to worry about whether your console will run this game or not.

That'd be pretty pointless.

Devs would only developer for the 1st edition Xbox/Playstation that comes out, and wouldn't develop their games for the future graphics cards.

Sony and Microsofts will be PCs while the Wii2 will be better than a PC... imo

[QUOTE="Captain__Tripps"][QUOTE="Warhawk_"]

Yeah but lets say that the next consoles do act like the pc, I will bet you that game developers would still make the requirements for some of their games much higher that you have no choice but to grade your console in order to play it. No thanks, it only works on pc's not consoles.

Warhawk_

Maybe they would do that. I mean why play a game with the lower settings when you really want to have the maximum settings on your console but you may have to upgrade it? That would be like in Gears Of War 3 or Uncharted 3, gamers would have to upgrade in order to have the full experience in order to play them. Again it works well in PC's but not consoles. And as for Crysis 2 I'm going to play it on my pc like it was meant to be rather then on my PS3 :)

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I would think having upgradable hardware on consoles would alienate a good portion of the market. If someone releases a game that requires said upgradable part, they would lose money because some people wouldn't want to pay for the game and then turn around and pay for the part as well.

Consoles are something you can jump in and out of easily. There is no need to make it complicated.

edidili

This. One of the main reasons why consoles sell it's because you don't have to worry about whether your console will run this game or not.

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[QUOTE="Valiant_Rebel"]

I would think having upgradable hardware on consoles would alienate a good portion of the market. If someone releases a game that requires said upgradable part, they would lose money because some people wouldn't want to pay for the game and then turn around and pay for the part as well.

Consoles are something you can jump in and out of easily. There is no need to make it complicated.

HuusAsking

This. One of the main reasons why consoles sell it's because you don't have to worry about whether your console will run this game or not.

[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"]What would be the point of getting a console then? brendanhunt1

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="edidili"]

This. One of the main reasons why consoles sell it's because you don't have to worry about whether your console will run this game or not.

Captain__Tripps