Next-Gen Portable Graphics - Is the NGP taking it too far?

First of all, sorry about the ironic first part of the title. Now onto the main topic.

I have been somewhat mystefied lately by the detestation that the 3DS has been recieving lately in terms of its graphics and games. When we talk about portable gaming devices, we think of a handheld that will give us a SIMILAR gaming experience that we recieve at home on our consoles. It terms of the last few generations of portable game devices, the graphics are generally reflective of the generation before the device's release. This of course excludes the Gameboy (which churned out rough SNES graphics in its prime). When I first heard of the 3DS I EXPECTED at least GC/PS2/XBOX graphics and sought the same for the NGP. It feel as though Sony wants to skip a generation this round (as I would not say myself that the PSP has PS2 graphics). Don't get me wrong here though, I know that the technology exists now to have "PS3-like" graphics (blatantly obvious), it is just the question of whether or not it is practical. The 3DS has added a less costly way to bring a new "dimension" to gaming and still keeping the graphics on the level we should have expected to begin with. It is from there on where we should then justify our purchase.

To sum this up, we have what we should have expected from the 3DS and NGP in terms of graphics. Everything now relies on the games and franchises both systems crank out in the future.

Side-Note: This is can relate to Project Cafe as well. As long as Project Cafe has better graphics than the PS3 and Xbox 360, it will be considered having next gen graphics (really hard to say for the Wii though). It just may not have the "best" graphics.

If the tech is there why not.... chances are the NGP will cost the same as the 3DS or at most $50 more. Not all games have to be console ports, and be big budget titles. Expect the NGP to have its own unique game titles.... as it has more options for controls now with the rear touchpad, and touch screen.

When we talk about portable gaming devices, we think of a handheld that will give us a SIMILAR gaming experience that we recieve at home on our consoles.

MajorPain10

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When we talk about portable gaming devices, we think of a handheld that will give us a SIMILAR gaming experience that we recieve at home on our consoles.

funsohng

If the tech is there why not.... chances are the NGP will cost the same as the 3DS or at most $50 more. Not all games have to be console ports, and be big budget titles. Expect the NGP to have its own unique game titles.... as it has more options for controls now with the rear touchpad, and touch screen.

GTSaiyanjin2

[QUOTE="funsohng"][QUOTE="MajorPain10"]

When we talk about portable gaming devices, we think of a handheld that will give us a SIMILAR gaming experience that we recieve at home on our consoles.

MajorPain10

The NGP has the capability, so why not. It is not all about console graphics. Even games types and genres typical to handhelds can get a major boost due to NGP's hardware. Think of the new Rayman game. The game would look stunning on the NGP, but also feel like it belongs on a handheld.

I dont know, it may be, it may not be. My answer will depend on how devs support this thing.

[QUOTE="MajorPain10"][QUOTE="funsohng"] No we don't, that's absurd. Portable gaming is different from console gaming, and the game designs should reflect that.funsohng

[QUOTE="funsohng"][QUOTE="MajorPain10"] That was implying differentiation and not reflecting an exact console experience.MajorPain10

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[QUOTE="funsohng"] I don't see that. Besides, there is no set rule what kind of graphics you should have each generation. Not saying Wii this gen based on its graphical power is just wrong.funsohng

The PSP seemed about 2/3 between the PS1 and PS2. The NGP seems about 2/3 between the PS2 and the PS3. Honestly, the graphics from the 3DS (a little better than PS2 IMO) seem about right. The NGP's look incredible atm, but its a natural step forward from the previous PSP. I'm not disappointed by what either system is capable of, I'm disappointed the 3DS has 1 analogue stick and is $250. It should be much less.

no its fine.. psp sold decently..ngp will too... unles it cost 400 dollars..

No, Sony should make the graphics look as absolutely nice as they possibly can. I love the DS and am warming up to the 3DS, but Nintendo was clearly a generation behind Sony graphically. In a way the 3DS is just Nintendo catching up to where PSP already was. So it makes sense that NGP would be at least one generation/step ahead of the 3DS. We'll probably have to wait for E3 for price, but it shouldn't be much more than a 3DS. My biggest concern would be the battery life.

I'm just hoping the NGP isn't too pricey, if its any indication on how Nintendo overpriced the 3DS, it isn't looking good. There is no way on Earth a 3DS should cost £220, its absurd. I might be willing to stretch to that for an NGP though since the tech is impressive.

Hardware and tech has come a long way since current consoles.

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The PSP seemed about 2/3 between the PS1 and PS2. The NGP seems about 2/3 between the PS2 and the PS3. Honestly, the graphics from the 3DS (a little better than PS2 IMO) seem about right. The NGP's look incredible atm, but its a natural step forward from the previous PSP. I'm not disappointed by what either system is capable of, I'm disappointed the 3DS has 1 analogue stick and is $250. It should be much less.

RandomWinner

No, Sony should make the graphics look as absolutely nice as they possibly can. I love the DS and am warming up to the 3DS, but Nintendo was clearly a generation behind Sony graphically. In a way the 3DS is just Nintendo catching up to where PSP already was. So it makes sense that NGP would be at least one generation/step ahead of the 3DS. We'll probably have to wait for E3 for price, but it shouldn't be much more than a 3DS. My biggest concern would be the battery life.

LovePotionNo9

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The PSP seemed about 2/3 between the PS1 and PS2. The NGP seems about 2/3 between the PS2 and the PS3. Honestly, the graphics from the 3DS (a little better than PS2 IMO) seem about right. The NGP's look incredible atm, but its a natural step forward from the previous PSP. I'm not disappointed by what either system is capable of, I'm disappointed the 3DS has 1 analogue stick and is $250. It should be much less.

7suarez7

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No, Sony should make the graphics look as absolutely nice as they possibly can. I love the DS and am warming up to the 3DS, but Nintendo was clearly a generation behind Sony graphically. In a way the 3DS is just Nintendo catching up to where PSP already was. So it makes sense that NGP would be at least one generation/step ahead of the 3DS. We'll probably have to wait for E3 for price, but it shouldn't be much more than a 3DS. My biggest concern would be the battery life.

7suarez7

Can anyone tell my why good graphics / power is a bad thing? oO

[QUOTE="7suarez7"][QUOTE="LovePotionNo9"]

No, Sony should make the graphics look as absolutely nice as they possibly can. I love the DS and am warming up to the 3DS, but Nintendo was clearly a generation behind Sony graphically. In a way the 3DS is just Nintendo catching up to where PSP already was. So it makes sense that NGP would be at least one generation/step ahead of the 3DS. We'll probably have to wait for E3 for price, but it shouldn't be much more than a 3DS. My biggest concern would be the battery life.

tormentos

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="7suarez7"] The 3DS is streets ahead of the PSP. I can't go back to playing a single game on my PSP because of it, it looks horrid. The 3DS looks MUCH better when it's in your hands. When the 3D is on games look on par with 360 (although the smaller screen helps).7suarez7

Troll, fanboy, fakeboy or blind? The 3DS looks barely better than the PSP and the PSP is almost on par with the PS2 oO

PS2 games

PSP game:

Rayman port (one of the worst looking 3DS games oO):

DOAD looks much better:

Can anyone tell my why good graphics / power is a bad thing? oO

ArchoNils2

Higher development costs.

[QUOTE="7suarez7"][QUOTE="tormentos"] Oh please maybe you don't have a 360 or a 3DS,3DS games don't look like 360 games with 3D on or off,they look a little better than PSP games,which 6 years after the PSP arrived is not a big thing,the NGP is closer to next gen console than the 3DS will ever be,and doesn't look like 360 games.ArchoNils2

Troll, fanboy, fakeboy or blind? The 3DS looks barely better than the PSP and the PSP is almost on par with the PS2 oO

PS2 games

PSP game:

Rayman port (one of the worst looking 3DS games oO):

DOAD looks much better:

[QUOTE="ArchoNils2"]

Can anyone tell my why good graphics / power is a bad thing? oO

Yangire

Higher development costs.

And how exactly is that a bad thing? The industry stayed alive all those years with games being around the same price and nobody is forced to use the full power. Games like the Dynasty Warriors series make a profit without nearly using the full capacity of the system oO

Lol, weak screenshot from the Rayman game. Also, the 3D basically doubles it's resolution which you cannot see unless you have it in your hands and I assume you don't have one otherwise you wouldn't be comparing the PSP to the 3DS. The 3DS is more powerful than the Wii. 3DS > Wii >> Xbox >= Gamecube >>>>> PS2 >>> PSP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>DS7suarez7

Show me a screenshot that comes close to Crisis Core on PSP. Also double resolution doesn't equal better graphics. Can can draw a stick man in paint with 8 megapixel, it's still just a stickman. Also I do own a 3DS, friend code is in my sig. I own every system this gen, probably the reason why I don't make rediculous fanboy-statements oO

I'm just hoping the NGP isn't too pricey, if its any indication on how Nintendo overpriced the 3DS, it isn't looking good. There is no way on Earth a 3DS should cost £220, its absurd. I might be willing to stretch to that for an NGP though since the tech is impressive.

Asim90

[QUOTE="Yangire"]

[QUOTE="ArchoNils2"]

Can anyone tell my why good graphics / power is a bad thing? oO

ArchoNils2

Higher development costs.

And how exactly is that a bad thing? The industry stayed alive all those years with games being around the same price and nobody is forced to use the full power. Games like the Dynasty Warriors series make a profit without nearly using the full capacity of the system oO

Higher development costs hurt smaller developers, I thought this was commonsense. Also no they are not FORCED to (usually), but development kits do cost more money.

[QUOTE="ArchoNils2"]

[QUOTE="Yangire"]

Higher development costs.

Yangire

And how exactly is that a bad thing? The industry stayed alive all those years with games being around the same price and nobody is forced to use the full power. Games like the Dynasty Warriors series make a profit without nearly using the full capacity of the system oO

Higher development costs hurt smaller developers, I thought this was commonsense. Also no they are not FORCED to (usually), but development kits do cost more money.

As long as companies like Nippon Ichi Software can survive with extrem niche titles you are proven wrong. I don't think the dev. kit will cost much more than the one for the Ps3, they'll probably get it at a even lower price if the already have the PS3 dev kit. Also it can't be too bad if one person alone can afford it for one game (the guy that made this Riff shooter)

Show me a screenshot that comes close to Crisis Core on PSP. Also double resolution doesn't equal better graphics. Can can draw a stick man in paint with 8 megapixel, it's still just a stickman. Also I do own a 3DS, friend code is in my sig. I own every system this gen, probably the reason why I don't make rediculous fanboy-statements oOArchoNils2

[QUOTE="Yangire"]

[QUOTE="ArchoNils2"]

And how exactly is that a bad thing? The industry stayed alive all those years with games being around the same price and nobody is forced to use the full power. Games like the Dynasty Warriors series make a profit without nearly using the full capacity of the system oO

ArchoNils2

Higher development costs hurt smaller developers, I thought this was commonsense. Also no they are not FORCED to (usually), but development kits do cost more money.

As long as companies like Nippon Ichi Software can survive with extrem niche titles you are proven wrong. I don't think the dev. kit will cost much more than the one for the Ps3, they'll probably get it at a even lower price if the already have the PS3 dev kit. Also it can't be too bad if one person alone can afford it for one game (the guy that made this Riff shooter)

Extremely niche titles? That's a overexaggeration, besides NIS titles sell well. I don't see small developers that create games for last gen systems hopping on the newest thing. One big reason why is because they cannot afford it, at least the first few years.

Considering how smartphones are becoming more powerful by the year basically with each iteration of each manufacturers handset, quickly the NGP and 3ds will need selling points apart from graphics to get them by.

[QUOTE="ArchoNils2"]Show me a screenshot that comes close to Crisis Core on PSP. Also double resolution doesn't equal better graphics. Can can draw a stick man in paint with 8 megapixel, it's still just a stickman. Also I do own a 3DS, friend code is in my sig. I own every system this gen, probably the reason why I don't make rediculous fanboy-statements oO7suarez7

The pic I posted was ingame and I was talking about Rayman. Rayman is probably the worst looking 3DS game out there oO Also @ Vid: Let's wait until the game actually comes out. So far nothing on the 3DS really blew me away graphically and it certainly doesn't look "much better" than the PSP, it's on the same level ATM

[QUOTE="7suarez7"][QUOTE="tormentos"] Oh please maybe you don't have a 360 or a 3DS,3DS games don't look like 360 games with 3D on or off,they look a little better than PSP games,which 6 years after the PSP arrived is not a big thing,the NGP is closer to next gen console than the 3DS will ever be,and doesn't look like 360 games.ArchoNils2

Troll, fanboy, fakeboy or blind? The 3DS looks barely better than the PSP and the PSP is almost on par with the PS2 oO

PS2 games

PSP game:

Rayman port (one of the worst looking 3DS games oO):

DOAD looks much better:

PSP is not almost on par with the PS2 simple as that.

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Apart from visuals psp games also had alot of reduced effects like physx. Either way NGP is gonna stomp all of them combined:P

The pic I posted was ingame and I was talking about Rayman. Rayman is probably the worst looking 3DS game out there oO Also @ Vid: Let's wait until the game actually comes out. So far nothing on the 3DS really blew me away graphically and it certainly doesn't look "much better" than the PSP, it's on the same level ATMArchoNils2

Why not make a beefy hand held? I rather pay for something that isn't making any profit off me (NGP) then some that is (3DS). The more they put in it tech wise... The longer it will last and the better the games.

*post of pictures* mattuk69

[QUOTE="ArchoNils2"]The pic I posted was ingame and I was talking about Rayman. Rayman is probably the worst looking 3DS game out there oO Also @ Vid: Let's wait until the game actually comes out. So far nothing on the 3DS really blew me away graphically and it certainly doesn't look "much better" than the PSP, it's on the same level ATM7suarez7

Do you even read my posts? I do own a 3DS, my friend code is in the sig. Give me yours, add me and I go online and post a comment to prove it's mine -.-' Also no, Rayman doesn't look good at all, the picture I posted proves it. Looks like you're just blown away from the 3D and that's it. Show me one Rayman 3D pic that comes close to Crisis Core oO Best looking game I played so far is DOAD and it's on the same level as the PSP. Sure, sooner or later there will be 3DS games that can show that the 3DS is stronger than the PSP, but ATM there isn't a game that shows it

Do you even read my posts? I do own a 3DS, my friend code is in the sig. Give me yours, add me and I go online and post a comment to prove it's mine -.-' Also no, Rayman doesn't look good at all, the picture I posted proves it. Looks like you're just blown away from the 3D and that's it. Show me one Rayman 3D pic that comes close to Crisis Core oO Best looking game I played so far is DOAD and it's on the same level as the PSP. Sure, sooner or later there will be 3DS games that can show that the 3DS is stronger than the PSP, but ATM there isn't a game that shows itArchoNils2

Bear in mind these are not in 3D and look much better in your hand. Also, I doubt you have a 3DS nor the Rayman game.

[QUOTE="ArchoNils2"]Do you even read my posts? I do own a 3DS, my friend code is in the sig. Give me yours, add me and I go online and post a comment to prove it's mine -.-' Also no, Rayman doesn't look good at all, the picture I posted proves it. Looks like you're just blown away from the 3D and that's it. Show me one Rayman 3D pic that comes close to Crisis Core oO Best looking game I played so far is DOAD and it's on the same level as the PSP. Sure, sooner or later there will be 3DS games that can show that the 3DS is stronger than the PSP, but ATM there isn't a game that shows it7suarez7

You post them with the wysiwyg editor with the tree icon or in the html view with the image tag. And no, those pictures do not look better than any PSP game, in fact they look the same they looked like on the Dreamcast a decadde ago. Also if you don't belive me, I said I can prove it, add me and give me your friend code so I can add you. I go online with my 3DS and post whatever comment on my profile you'd like to prove it's me >__> You can't say I don't own it and refuse to give me the chance to prove it >__>

[QUOTE="7suarez7"][QUOTE="ArchoNils2"]Do you even read my posts? I do own a 3DS, my friend code is in the sig. Give me yours, add me and I go online and post a comment to prove it's mine -.-' Also no, Rayman doesn't look good at all, the picture I posted proves it. Looks like you're just blown away from the 3D and that's it. Show me one Rayman 3D pic that comes close to Crisis Core oO Best looking game I played so far is DOAD and it's on the same level as the PSP. Sure, sooner or later there will be 3DS games that can show that the 3DS is stronger than the PSP, but ATM there isn't a game that shows itArchoNils2

You post them with the wysiwyg editor with the tree icon or in the html view with the image tag. And no, those pictures do not look better than any PSP game, in fact they look the same they looked like on the Dreamcast a decadde ago. Also if you don't belive me, I said I can prove it, add me and give me your friend code so I can add you. I go online with my 3DS and post whatever comment on my profile you'd like to prove it's me >__> You can't say I don't own it and refuse to give me the chance to prove it >__>

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[QUOTE="7suarez7"] Wtf? There are already 3DS games which look better than Wii games let alone PSP *facepalm*. Here's some better Rayman pics (one of the weaker games graphics wise on the 3DS btw): http://3dsgameshub.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Rayman-3D-5.jpg http://nintendo_3ds.gamezone.com/images/sized/images/screenshots/NEWS_Rayman_3D_Is_Actually_a_Rayman_2_Port-300x194.jpg http://gaygamer.net/images/rayman%203d%20review.png Bear in mind these are not in 3D and look much better in your hand. Also, I doubt you have a 3DS nor the Rayman game. EDIT: How to I post pics (not links to pics)?7suarez7

You post them with the wysiwyg editor with the tree icon or in the html view with the image tag. And no, those pictures do not look better than any PSP game, in fact they look the same they looked like on the Dreamcast a decadde ago. Also if you don't belive me, I said I can prove it, add me and give me your friend code so I can add you. I go online with my 3DS and post whatever comment on my profile you'd like to prove it's me >__> You can't say I don't own it and refuse to give me the chance to prove it >__>

I own Rayman 3D on 3DS, there's no such game like Rayman 3DS. Also I do own the DC version. But since you don't belive anything, here's a pic as prove:

But I just realised that this goes OT and you don't seem to be able to react on anything that I say, so let's get back to the actual topic :/ No matter how strong the 3DS is, the NGP will probably crush it xD

[QUOTE="7suarez7"][QUOTE="ArchoNils2"]

You post them with the wysiwyg editor with the tree icon or in the html view with the image tag. And no, those pictures do not look better than any PSP game, in fact they look the same they looked like on the Dreamcast a decadde ago. Also if you don't belive me, I said I can prove it, add me and give me your friend code so I can add you. I go online with my 3DS and post whatever comment on my profile you'd like to prove it's me >__> You can't say I don't own it and refuse to give me the chance to prove it >__>

ArchoNils2

I own Rayman 3D on 3DS, there's no such game like Rayman 3DS. Also I do own the DC version. But since you don't belive anything, here's a pic as prove:

But I just realised that this goes OT and you don't seem to be able to react on anything that I say, so let's get back to the actual topic :/ No matter how strong the 3DS is, the NGP will probably crush it xD

Obviously the NGP is more powerful than the 3DS, I never said it wasn't. The 3DS is however miles ahead of the PSP, not only do my Rayman pics prove that but when it's in your hands it looks 10x better.

[QUOTE="7suarez7"][QUOTE="tormentos"] Oh please maybe you don't have a 360 or a 3DS,3DS games don't look like 360 games with 3D on or off,they look a little better than PSP games,which 6 years after the PSP arrived is not a big thing,the NGP is closer to next gen console than the 3DS will ever be,and doesn't look like 360 games.tormentos

The PSP is nowhere near the 3DS kid. The 3DS has yet to produce a game with blurry textures or edgy PS1 graphics. The PSP is hardly even closer to the PS2 let alone the 3dS which is more powerful than a Wii. Also, how can you compare a game that's not even out yet on the 3DS's 1st year with something that was out in the PSP's 6th year?