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The eShop, I feel, has really turned things around for Nintendo on the digital side because the storefront is heavily feature-driven. Any publisher can still produce whatever it wants, similar to iOS in both regards. However, given the feature-oriented nature, the eShop is quasi-curated without being some lame PR line like, 'consciously developing a curated portfolio' .That's a steaming pile of PR right there, but that's another story altogether.


If we look back at WiiWare, that system was broken because it was trying to be fair and feature nothing. WRONG. In the WiiWare system all games were created equal, but life's not fair and all games are NOT made equal. Some suck hard, particularly on WiiWare. However, that doesn't matter much in a system like the WiiWare shop because customers aren't being directed anywhere.The top 20 is the easiest filter and being on the top 20 doesn't mean a game is good/great, it just means they sell. Frogger, really?

I'm pretty certain that the number of total downloads (across all games etc) on most platforms typically hovers around the same rough figure. So, say you have 200 total customers to a given service per day, in the case of WiiWare, they're getting lost in an ocean of blah. Other services, like eShop, have systems in place to control what people get to see and, to me, this is ideal.

Since the eShop is heavily feature-driven, this not only helps promote titles, it forces publishers and developers to make better games, hopefully. You want to get featured? You better have something good to show, curated or not. Will this change in the future? I have no idea as I'm not Mr.Iwata, but I do know that compared to how we did on WiiWare and DSiWare, eShop has a much better outlook.Destructoid

Personally, I agree. The eShop has excellent content (VVVVV, Pushmo, FreakyForms, Mutant Mudds, Mighty Switch Force, Sakura Samurai, Zen Pinball and more), and the interface, while certainly leaving a lot to be desired, is a big step over the DSiWare and WiiWare storefronts. The addition of demos, videos, and features like Nintendo Show 3D also enhances the experience.

Also, this makes it very clear that VVVVV in fact sold very well on the eShop.

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The top 20 is the easiest filter and being on the top 20 doesn't mean a game is good/great, it just means they sell. Frogger, really?

charizard1605

OHHHHHHHH GIRL

KBFloyd incoming.

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"]

The top 20 is the easiest filter and being on the top 20 doesn't mean a game is good/great, it just means they sell. Frogger, really?

Cherokee_Jack

OHHHHHHHH GIRL

KBFloyd incoming.

He likes that game? :P
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[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]

The top 20 is the easiest filter and being on the top 20 doesn't mean a game is good/great, it just means they sell. Frogger, really?

charizard1605

OHHHHHHHH GIRL

KBFloyd incoming.

He likes that game? :P

He likes all the true cIassics from the 80s and 90s, like Frogger, Simpsons Arcade, Super Mario Bros 3. You know, the hits.

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#5 zarshack
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the store needs more content... I want them to put more GB/GBC/GBA games up on it.

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the store needs more content... I want them to put more GB/GBC/GBA games up on it.

zarshack
This I can agree with. I now it's getting Game Gear games soon.
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Nintendo finally heading in the right direction

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[QUOTE="zarshack"]

the store needs more content... I want them to put more GB/GBC/GBA games up on it.

charizard1605

This I can agree with. I now it's getting Game Gear games soon.

I just want LttP: four swords version. xD

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="zarshack"]

the store needs more content... I want them to put more GB/GBC/GBA games up on it.

zarshack

This I can agree with. I now it's getting Game Gear games soon.

I just want LttP: four swords version. xD

its free right now, you can look it up on eshop.
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[QUOTE="zarshack"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] This I can agree with. I now it's getting Game Gear games soon.Enforcedspot

I just want LttP: four swords version. xD

its free right now, you can look it up on eshop.

Four swords is free. Link to the past isnt though (nor is it available atm). Four swords was released on the same cart along with Link to the Past, but its a different game.

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[QUOTE="Enforcedspot"][QUOTE="zarshack"]I just want LttP: four swords version. xD

zarshack

its free right now, you can look it up on eshop.

Four swords is free. Link to the past isnt though (nor is it available atm). Four swords was released on the same cart along with Link to the Past, but its a different game.

While I'm here I wanted to mention this, Four Swords on that cart was developed by Capcom, just fyi! :P Nintendo obviously liked it as it did a followup release for GC-GBA later on. I know this from buying, and thought I could help spread the word. :cool:


Capcom also made The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap, as well as being involved with the creation of the older GameBoy Zelda : Oracle of Seasons/Ages games, for those interested in Capcom's contributions to Zelda and Nintendo. :P

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I'm glad to see Nintendo is trying to improve! I hope the Wii U really shows a step up above the 3DS still though. I want something at least a little better than PSN(SEN?) and still be free.

Charizard, how you liking the 3DS?

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As long as VVVVVV sells well I won't be scared about the world tomorrow will bring.

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[QUOTE="zarshack"]

[QUOTE="Enforcedspot"] its free right now, you can look it up on eshop.SolidTy

Four swords is free. Link to the past isnt though (nor is it available atm). Four swords was released on the same cart along with Link to the Past, but its a different game.

While I'm here I wanted to mention this, Four Swords on that cart was developed by Capcom, just fyi! :P Nintendo obviously liked it as it did a followup release for GC-GBA later on. I know this from buying, and thought I could help spread the word. :cool:


Capcom also made The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap, as well as being involved with the creation of the older GameBoy Zelda : Oracle of Seasons/Ages games, for those interested in Capcom's contributions to Zelda and Nintendo. :P

I actually remember capcom appearing in the title start up screen for oracle of seasons. (although that was so long ago and i had forgotten it until you brought it up. I was only 12 when ages/seasons came out.

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It's cool and all, but I really wish the classic games lineup could mature. I want more 3D classics versions of NES games.
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I'm glad to see Nintendo is trying to improve! I hope the Wii U really shows a step up above the 3DS still though. I want something at least a little better than PSN(SEN?) and still be free.

Charizard, how you liking the 3DS?

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Me? I'm loving my 3DS. It's my primary system right now. I love the games, love the interface, love the social features, love the media functionality, it's all really come into its own. Most of all, I love SwapNote. :D
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[QUOTE="AmayaPapaya"]

I'm glad to see Nintendo is trying to improve! I hope the Wii U really shows a step up above the 3DS still though. I want something at least a little better than PSN(SEN?) and still be free.

Charizard, how you liking the 3DS?

charizard1605

Me? I'm loving my 3DS. It's my primary system right now. I love the games, love the interface, love the social features, love the media functionality, it's all really come into its own. Most of all, I love SwapNote. :D

should send me your friend code so i can add you the next time i log on my 3DS.

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="AmayaPapaya"]

I'm glad to see Nintendo is trying to improve! I hope the Wii U really shows a step up above the 3DS still though. I want something at least a little better than PSN(SEN?) and still be free.

Charizard, how you liking the 3DS?

zarshack

Me? I'm loving my 3DS. It's my primary system right now. I love the games, love the interface, love the social features, love the media functionality, it's all really come into its own. Most of all, I love SwapNote. :D

should send me your friend code so i can add you the next time i log on my 3DS.

4639-9026-2786. Give me yours so I can add you back!
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[QUOTE="zarshack"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] Me? I'm loving my 3DS. It's my primary system right now. I love the games, love the interface, love the social features, love the media functionality, it's all really come into its own. Most of all, I love SwapNote. :Dcharizard1605

should send me your friend code so i can add you the next time i log on my 3DS.

4639-9026-2786. Give me yours so I can add you back!

2148-8337-3680 I just added you :)

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I havnt downloaded any games yet, need to download Pushmo soon. Will probably get a points card tonight and do that. Also, I'll add you guys (2 Char and zar) tonight and I'll throw up my FC. Not many friends on mine right now so thought I'll add a few.

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There are so many good eShop games I can't even keep up.
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Content is alright, but it needs a more stable design. There are times where some games are in one place, and then other times when they are some place else. You'd think Zelda would be in the VC section, but then you have to go to the special 25th anniversary section for it.

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It was about time.

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I havnt downloaded any games yet, need to download Pushmo soon. Will probably get a points card tonight and do that. Also, I'll add you guys (2 Char and zar) tonight and I'll throw up my FC. Not many friends on mine right now so thought I'll add a few.

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Sure! I have over fifty 3DS friends already :P
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Content is alright, but it needs a more stable design. There are times where some games are in one place, and then other times when they are some place else. You'd think Zelda would be in the VC section, but then you have to go to the special 25th anniversary section for it.

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Or you could just use the search bar. P.S: Which Zelda game are you talking about?
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Nintendo late as usual. Sony was way ahead of them.

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Are devs still not allowed to have demos or pricedrops on e-shop, dsiware and wiiware?
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Are devs still not allowed to have demos or pricedrops on e-shop, dsiware and wiiware?MFDOOM1983
They're allowed to have demoes and pricedrops on eShop. DSiWare and WiiWare though, no, but that's already water under the bridge. No point in discussing it.
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"That's a good boy Nintendo, here's a biscuit."

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[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]Are devs still not allowed to have demos or pricedrops on e-shop, dsiware and wiiware?charizard1605
They're allowed to have demoes and pricedrops on eShop. DSiWare and WiiWare though, no, but that's already water under the bridge. No point in discussing it.

Are you sure? I don't see any e-shop demos outside of those two retail games. Seems like MS is the only one that "gets" DD games.
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]Are devs still not allowed to have demos or pricedrops on e-shop, dsiware and wiiware?MFDOOM1983
They're allowed to have demoes and pricedrops on eShop. DSiWare and WiiWare though, no, but that's already water under the bridge. No point in discussing it.

Are you sure? I don't see any e-shop demos outside of those two retail games. Seems like MS is the only one that "gets" DD games.

Oh, you mean demos for downloadable games. WiiWare allowed those, and so does the eShop. The problem with the latter is that so far, no developer has actually taken the initiative to put a demo online.
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Are you sure? I don't see any e-shop demos outside of those two retail games. Seems like MS is the only one that "gets" DD games. MFDOOM1983


There's plenty of demos on PSN.

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[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]Are you sure? I don't see any e-shop demos outside of those two retail games. Seems like MS is the only one that "gets" DD games. JLF1MarkII



There's plenty of demos on PSN.

Not for all PSN games and after a few months demos are no longer offered.

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[QUOTE="JLF1MarkII"]

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]Are you sure? I don't see any e-shop demos outside of those two retail games. Seems like MS is the only one that "gets" DD games. MFDOOM1983



There's plenty of demos on PSN.

Not for all PSN games and after a few months demos are no longer offered.

Aren't most demos PSN+ only anyway?

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Aren't most demos PSN+ only anyway?charizard1605
Not at all.
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"][QUOTE="charizard1605"] They're allowed to have demoes and pricedrops on eShop. DSiWare and WiiWare though, no, but that's already water under the bridge. No point in discussing it.

Are you sure? I don't see any e-shop demos outside of those two retail games. Seems like MS is the only one that "gets" DD games.

Oh, you mean demos for downloadable games. WiiWare allowed those, and so does the eShop. The problem with the latter is that so far, no developer has actually taken the initiative to put a demo online.

Hmm, it looks like there was a two year period of no demos for wiiware(jan. 2010-12). Nintendo should have mandatory demos for e-shop games in their guidelines somewhere. As a consumer sifting through the garbage is much easier and imo it pushes devs to release better product.
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[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]

[QUOTE="JLF1MarkII"]

There's plenty of demos on PSN.

charizard1605

Not for all PSN games and after a few months demos are no longer offered.

Aren't most demos PSN+ only anyway?

Just early beta access.

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[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"] Not at all.

Ah, okay. I don't use PSN much anyway, so I was just making sure.

Just early beta access.

MFDOOM1983
That's what I probably had it confused with.
Hmm, it looks like there was a two year period of no demos for wiiware(jan. 2010-12). Nintendo should have mandatory demos for e-shop games in their guidelines somewhere. As a consumer sifting through the garbage is much easier and imo it pushes devs to release better product. MFDOOM1983
Yeah, demos on WiiWare disappeared, and then they just... came back :? Anyway, I agree about your stance on eShop demos. Hopefully, after seeing how retail demos have helped sales (Theatrhythm's pre orders shot up by three times in Japan after its two demos, for instance), developers of downloadable games will begin offering demos of their own accord.
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I just checked PSN and there are some or in this case one PSN + exclusive demo(house of the dead 3).:oops:

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#40 zarshack
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Aren't most demos PSN+ only anyway?

charizard1605

PS+ gets exclusive full game trials with a 1 hour time limit. PSN gets pretty much all the same demos the 360 gets. Apparantly demos dissappear off the PSN after a while though, i have no idea about that because i havent tried to play any really old demo's recently.

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I like the eShop, it is a huge step forward for Nintendo. I just recently bought Pushmo and Link's Awakening DX, now I cant seem to put my 3DS down :o
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The e-shop is definitely much better the Wiiware and DSiware. I love the Nintendo 3d show ( and the hot girl that host it...shes seems she loves video games more then the people that do the Nintendo week show) Plus Swapnote is the best app ever!!!! Its show much better then texting lol. Ony hope their are more apps for the 3DS soon. Its shaping up to be a great multi media device.

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[QUOTE="zarshack"]

the store needs more content... I want them to put more GB/GBC/GBA games up on it.

charizard1605

This I can agree with. I now it's getting Game Gear games soon.

heh, and with the 3DS add on which makes the device bulkier you can now EXPERIENCE the Game Gear!

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The e-shop is definitely much better the Wiiware and DSiware. I love the Nintendo 3d show ( and the hot girl that host it...shes seems she loves video games more then the people that do the Nintendo week show) Plus Swapnote is the best app ever!!!! Its show much better then texting lol. Ony hope their are more apps for the 3DS soon. Its shaping up to be a great multi media device.

P.S Charizard I added you so if you would please add me back :D

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Nintendo late as usual. Sony was way ahead of them.

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So? Better late than never.
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#46 yoshi_64
Member since 2003 • 25261 Posts

The quality of the games on the eShop, seems to really be under much better management it seems. Despite it being just the DSiWare shop in the beginning, which mostly had games ranging from terrible to great, the eShop seems to have more 3DS exclusive games that average more on the good+ side (let's say AA or 4+ stars on eShop) and the DSiWare was mostly in the middle of mediocre titles with a very rare and fun game few and far between.

I think the eShop is turning out well, and it looks like Nintendo does some things right. Namely, naming a game in their "features" of some sort. Whether it's "Great games under $5," "Top rated games by YOU," "X person's pick/Staff Pick," etc. It really does give games a longer lifetime to shine, and make sure great titles are not forgotten few and far between.

There are some problems with this though. It's tough to browse titles. In fact, you kind of can't browse a catalog of games. I understand why this may not be in place. For XBL/PSN it becomes a bit overwhelming to the consumer at times. It can be hard to really focus on what you want, and know what's great. If you don't have a bit of guidance, it can be too much.

Still, if you want to find something, it's hard to really get it down. I find the search feature even isn't that great, when you try and filter things. In fact, filters almost don't seem to work, and you have to leave it open to everything. When I tried searching Capcom games a while back, on 3DS, it wouldn't even return RE: Mercs, (before RE: R released and it's page was created on the eShop.) It was baffling, but the moment I set no restrictions, it popped up. O.o

Also, remember those short animation videos you could buy? Yeah, where did they go? Not featured anymore. I am sure they didn't sell well, maybe, but then again if Nintendo wants to expand to videos and other things like this, it needs to really think about how it's shop is managed. It would be nice if we could filter things out, from genres, to ratings, and even go into sub categories like "Featured, Weekly, Monthly" and so on. Also, when Demos start to continue to roll out, how will we even find those? The eShop is ok in it's current state, but it could use some improvements to fit better for the future I believe.

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#47 zarshack
Member since 2009 • 9936 Posts

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="zarshack"]

the store needs more content... I want them to put more GB/GBC/GBA games up on it.

LegatoSkyheart

This I can agree with. I now it's getting Game Gear games soon.

heh, and with the 3DS add on which makes the device bulkier you can now EXPERIENCE the Game Gear!

I got a chuckle out of that.