Ninja Gaiden 2 is just a high-res Ninja Gaiden: Black

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#1 fuzzysquash
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That would be a ridiculous statement to make.

I remember not longer than only a few months ago, System Warriors were posting pictures of Sigma and NG:B side by side, claiming that Sigma's graphics were unimpressive as it looked just like an upgraded Ninja Gaiden Black.

Of course, in motion the two games looked significantly different, as evidenced by this comparison video:

http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/10182

But for Sigma bashers, it made little difference. So long as they could find high-resolution pictures of NG:B to compare against Sigma, they perpetuated the myth that the PS3's Ninja Gaiden game was barely an improvement over the Xbox versions.

Now that Ninja Gaiden 2 has been unveiled, it's self-evident that the game looks pretty much on par with Sigma. Of course, both games doubtlessly look better in motion, and NG2 probably looks better than Sigma due to enhanced details, effects, and animations. But if these improvements have been made, they are minor, not major ones.

Yet since the unveiling of NG2, none of those same folks who said that Sigma looks just like a high-res NG:B have come out and made the same criticism against NG2. My point is that cheap tactics to attack the opposition might make your favored console seem better in the short-term, but sometimes those tactics could come back to bite you when you least expect them to.

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#2 -wii60-
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bah i could care less.. both look good..
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#3 cakeorrdeath
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Did anyone else notice the gore? :)

Realistic blood splatter effects are a major improvement in my eyes:P

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#4 D0013ER
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There's just one tiny difference. NG2 and Sigma will be two totally different games.
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#5 omarguy01
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NG2 still has a long way to go so, in theory, it should look better than NGS by the time it comes out

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#6 lusitanogamer
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As always, great topic Fuzzy. Looking forward to see what some people will say.

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cows are on damage control.....the game doesn't even come out for a year....they act like it's finished and releasing next week
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Theyres no doubt in my mind that ng2 will look better than the ps3 sigma game.Same with black and sigma once you played the game and it was in motion their was a huge differance.sigma wasnt so crippling difficult because of bugs and unfinished refinements but sigma just perfected that game.Ninja gaiden 2 even thought the pictures at a glance dont look differant just looks like a step up.The gore is like the gears of war chainsaw but with katanas and the blood spattering looks mighty fine.
If it doesnt look better than sigma for whatever reason then,well i just cant think about whats going to happen.ill probbaly end up buying back my 360 for ng2;)

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Theyres no doubt in my mind that ng2 will look better than the ps3 sigma game.Same with black and sigma once you played the game and it was in motion their was a huge differance.sigma wasnt so crippling difficult because of bugs and unfinished refinements but sigma just perfected that game.Ninja gaiden 2 even thought the pictures at a glance dont look differant just looks like a step up.The gore is like the gears of war chainsaw but with katanas and the blood spattering looks mighty fine.
If it doesnt look better than sigma for whatever reason then,well i just cant think about whats going to happen.ill probbaly end up buying back my 360 for ng2;)

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there will be a noticeable improvement in NG2 over sigma but i dont think its gonna be as big as going from last gen graphics to this gen(NGB to NGS)
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#10 ss_49
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30 hours of arguably the best action gameplay ever created. Who the hell cares what it looks like???
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#11 Harden_hawk
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Did anyone else notice the gore? :)

Realistic blood splatter effects are a major improvement in my eyes:P

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I agree, everything looks ronchy.

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[QUOTE="k-diddy66"]

Theyres no doubt in my mind that ng2 will look better than the ps3 sigma game.Same with black and sigma once you played the game and it was in motion their was a huge differance.sigma wasnt so crippling difficult because of bugs and unfinished refinements but sigma just perfected that game.Ninja gaiden 2 even thought the pictures at a glance dont look differant just looks like a step up.The gore is like the gears of war chainsaw but with katanas and the blood spattering looks mighty fine.
If it doesnt look better than sigma for whatever reason then,well i just cant think about whats going to happen.ill probbaly end up buying back my 360 for ng2;)

mmirza23
there will be a noticeable improvement in NG2 over sigma but i dont think its gonna be as big as going from last gen graphics to this gen(NGB to NGS)

That's true though I have a feeling Itagaki won't let himself be outshone by his underling and will pull something really amazing off.
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#13 tidus222
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itagaki has failed hard

the original NG was one of the best looking xbox games

now NG2 will be one of the ugliest next gen games

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#14 musicalmac  Moderator
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No lie, fuzzy, my heart skipped a beat when I read the thread title.
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#15 Harden_hawk
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itagaki has failed hard

the original NG was one of the best looking xbox games

now NG2 will be one of the ugliest next gen games

tidus222

Whatever makes you sleep at night, little cow...

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well NG2 could look even worse than Sigma and it would still be better cause it's a whole new game, while sigma was just a remake of a game lemmings were playing for years. It would be like lemmings getting a MGS3, and cows getting MGS4. MGS3 might be great but it's old news.
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#17 ss_49
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itagaki has failed hard

the original NG was one of the best looking xbox games

now NG2 will be one of the ugliest next gen games

tidus222

ugh, go damage control in your own thread :roll:

We've seen like 8 screenshots so far and you're calling it the ugliest game this gen?

Grow up please.

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#18 tidus222
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after seeing the beauty known as heavenly sword

ninja gaiden 2 graphics are liek throwing acid in my eyes

i wish mr itagaki would see the light and come make games on the superior ps3 then he could have good graphics IMO

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after seeing the beauty known as heavenly sword

ninja gaiden 2 graphics are liek throwing acid in my eyes

i wish mr itagaki would see the light and come make games on the superior ps3 then he could have good graphics IMO

tidus222

I played a demo of HS, and it was like GOW, except not nearly as satisfying.

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cows are on damage control.....the game doesn't even come out for a year....they act like it's finished and releasing next weekchikenfriedrice

Sort of like when lemmings say Killzone 2 looks bad?

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cows are on damage control.....the game doesn't even come out for a year....they act like it's finished and releasing next weekchikenfriedrice
Why are you asuming cows are on Damage Control this guy is?
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#22 fuzzysquash
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No lie, fuzzy, my heart skipped a beat when I read the thread title.musicalmac

lol, sorry.

I tend to like to stir up controversy, and there's no better way to do it than an eye catching thread title.

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#23 ss_49
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after seeing the beauty known as heavenly sword

ninja gaiden 2 graphics are liek throwing acid in my eyes

i wish mr itagaki would see the light and come make games on the superior ps3 then he could have good graphics IMO

tidus222

Again...30 hours of gameplay vs. 5 hours of gameplay. You lose. So...sorry :(

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#24 musicalmac  Moderator
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[QUOTE="musicalmac"]No lie, fuzzy, my heart skipped a beat when I read the thread title.fuzzysquash

lol, sorry.

I tend to like to stir up controversy, and there's no better way to do it than an eye catching thread title.

Mission accomplished. ;)
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[QUOTE="chikenfriedrice"]cows are on damage control.....the game doesn't even come out for a year....they act like it's finished and releasing next weekRagnarok1051

Sort of like when lemmings say Killzone 2 looks bad?

When did lems ever say Killzone II look's bad :??

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#26 fuzzysquash
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well NG2 could look even worse than Sigma and it would still be better cause it's a whole new game, while sigma was just a remake of a game lemmings were playing for years. It would be like lemmings getting a MGS3, and cows getting MGS4. MGS3 might be great but it's old news.jrhawk42

Well, I'm not saying that lemmings aren't getting the more exciting game--they are.

All I'm trying to do is point out the irony that the same people who said "NG:S looks like a high-res NG:B" aren't saying that about NG2. In fact, they're probably swallowing their words right now.

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[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

[QUOTE="chikenfriedrice"]cows are on damage control.....the game doesn't even come out for a year....they act like it's finished and releasing next weekHarden_hawk

Sort of like when lemmings say Killzone 2 looks bad?

When did lems ever say Killzone II look's bad :??

everytime there are new vids and pics put up of the game someone goes critiquing how the games textures looks bad or the graphics arent impressive at all, for a game in pre-alpha build killzone 2 looks fantastic but lems do bash it even though the game is nowhere near finished.
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[QUOTE="chikenfriedrice"]cows are on damage control.....the game doesn't even come out for a year....they act like it's finished and releasing next weekRagnarok1051

Sort of like when lemmings say Killzone 2 looks bad?

not this lemming

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[QUOTE="chikenfriedrice"]cows are on damage control.....the game doesn't even come out for a year....they act like it's finished and releasing next weekTheJuiceyBar
Why are you asuming cows are on Damage Control this guy is?

i've seen all the threads latley....they are on full damage control

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#30 Ragnarok1051
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[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

[QUOTE="chikenfriedrice"]cows are on damage control.....the game doesn't even come out for a year....they act like it's finished and releasing next weekchikenfriedrice

Sort of like when lemmings say Killzone 2 looks bad?

not this lemming

Well not you, but the majority of lemmings here bash Killzone 2 for bad graphics when its not close to being done.

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#31 chikenfriedrice
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[QUOTE="chikenfriedrice"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

[QUOTE="chikenfriedrice"]cows are on damage control.....the game doesn't even come out for a year....they act like it's finished and releasing next weekRagnarok1051

Sort of like when lemmings say Killzone 2 looks bad?

not this lemming

Well not you, but the majority of lemmings here bash Killzone 2 for bad graphics when its not close to being done.

yeah ignorance is ignorance....just like the Halo3 bashers....now look at that game

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#32 ss_49
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[QUOTE="chikenfriedrice"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

[QUOTE="chikenfriedrice"]cows are on damage control.....the game doesn't even come out for a year....they act like it's finished and releasing next weekRagnarok1051

Sort of like when lemmings say Killzone 2 looks bad?

not this lemming

Well not you, but the majority of lemmings here bash Killzone 2 for bad graphics when its not close to being done.

I don't doubt there are some idiots that bash KZ2 graphically...but saying they're a majority is incredibly false.

The majority of lemmings/sheep/hermits bash Killzone because cows hype it as the next big FPS. Regardless of the fact that it's developers are crap. Look at killzone 1. Utter crap.

Graphics =/= AAA. Cows should realize this now after Lair, Motorstorm, Resistance, and Heavenly Sword.

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#33 Harden_hawk
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I don't know how anyone could say "It looks just as good as Sigma.".

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#34 MrGrimFandango
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Um, it has better textures (all), better blood and physics by the looks of it, than Sigma.
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[QUOTE="chikenfriedrice"]cows are on damage control.....the game doesn't even come out for a year....they act like it's finished and releasing next weekRagnarok1051

Sort of like when lemmings say Killzone 2 looks bad?

exactly, lemmings am sad.

stop saying ng2 looks better than ngs bc it doesn't. of course ng2 has a long ways to go

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[QUOTE="chikenfriedrice"]cows are on damage control.....the game doesn't even come out for a year....they act like it's finished and releasing next weekRagnarok1051

Sort of like when lemmings say Killzone 2 looks bad?

exactly, lemmings am sad.

stop saying ng2 looks better than ngs bc it doesn't. of course ng2 has a long ways to go

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#37 Harden_hawk
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[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

[QUOTE="chikenfriedrice"]cows are on damage control.....the game doesn't even come out for a year....they act like it's finished and releasing next weekForTheNguyen

Sort of like when lemmings say Killzone 2 looks bad?

exactly, lemmings am sad.

stop saying ng2 looks better than ngs bc it doesn't. of course ng2 has a long ways to go

It looks alot better.

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#38 -wii60-
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[QUOTE="ForTheNguyen"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

[QUOTE="chikenfriedrice"]cows are on damage control.....the game doesn't even come out for a year....they act like it's finished and releasing next weekHarden_hawk

Sort of like when lemmings say Killzone 2 looks bad?

exactly, lemmings am sad.

stop saying ng2 looks better than ngs bc it doesn't. of course ng2 has a long ways to go

It looks alot better.



And check the huge drawdistances.
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[QUOTE="chikenfriedrice"]cows are on damage control.....the game doesn't even come out for a year....they act like it's finished and releasing next weekRagnarok1051

Sort of like when lemmings say Killzone 2 looks bad?

Anyone who says that K2 looks bad is losing it.

The only criticism that could be legitimately made against KZ2's graphics is that they don't have much variety, and even that argument doesn't hold much water seeing as how we have only seen one level.

KZ2's graphics are, thus far, excellent.

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#40 TBoogy
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Fuzzy, what you are saying is true, but here is my issue.

Why are people complaining about the two looking similar in the first place? Of course people would do that with Sigma and Black; one was a new "super computer" game and the other was an old, previous gen game.

But Sigma and NG2 are both current gen games. There should not be an epectation of a huge graphical increase.

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#41 Shinobishyguy
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great....I'm buying NGB this weekend ....The inferior version :cry:

Still.....I don't see enough changes to warrant me going out and buying the ps3 on the spot. I'll just play NGB on the 360.

Still the same great game at it's core right?

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#42 blazinpuertoroc
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screw the graphics...lets just hope this game has some sort of damn story...if not god of war III ftw
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#43 Apathetic-Irony
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Did we forget that a) This isn't a remake/port. b) This is still early in developement, and c) This does look a bit better than Sigma? Including new effects and such?

They are comparable, but there are far worse examples than this.

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#44 fuzzysquash
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Fuzzy, what you are saying is true, but here is my issue.

Why are people complaining about the two looking similar in the first place? Of course people would do that with Sigma and Black; one was a new "super computer" game and the other was an old, previous gen game.

But Sigma and NG2 are both current gen games. There should not be an epectation of a huge graphical increase.

TBoogy

I totally agree.

But people who were bashing Sigma's graphics before NG2 was unveiled should have considered the possibility that they would look similar.

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#45 fuzzysquash
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I don't know how anyone could say "It looks just as good as Sigma.".

Harden_hawk

I don't know how anyone could say it doesn't :?

I'm sure both games look better in motion, and I'm almost positive NG2 will look better than Sigma in the end, but there's not going to be a revolutionary gap between them.

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#46 blacktorn
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Your thinking of the other game called NG:Sigma,this is a whole new adventure called NG:2,you can thank me later.
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#47 MikeE21286
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NG2 just looks to close to NG:Sigma to me.....makes me kinda disappointed in its graphics so far....
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#48 Heil68
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Great post as usual Fuzzy. Those of use who have the NG and NGS know that there is a huge difference in graphics and content. If NG2 has the same graphics as NGS, thats a win. We get a new story, weapons and bosses!I am looking forward to NG2!!!
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#49 xDonRobx
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cows are on damage control.....the game doesn't even come out for a year....they act like it's finished and releasing next weekchikenfriedrice

Lol ironic since Killzone 2 and MGS4 aren't due out for awhile and get bashed.

What makes you think NG2 is gonna get some super graphic enhancement and KZ2 and MGS4 won't get touched up at all?

Fanboy make me sad.

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#50 Luigi_Vincetana
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Yeah, I never liked people using screens of NGB in screen comparisons, the framing of the shots make the game look better than it really is. Does the same apply for Sigma or does that actually look better in motion?