Ninja gaiden 2 ripped a new one at game trailers.

Yeah yeah.. 8.4 it's so terrible! (was it worth making a new account just for this?)

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Need a second account to post this? How afraid are you?CRUSHER88

His first one was banned...

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/profile/index.php?user=SwiftDragon616

Now he feels the need to get back at the evil lems. Oh noes! :|

Lol. Lemmings aren't going to get their AAA. Can't wait to see the GS review.Cedmln

It's all ready beginning, all the fanboys are all ready claiming that every reviewer is simply a video game newbie, and therefore can't properly rate the game.

[QUOTE="Cedmln"]Lol. Lemmings aren't going to get their AAA. Can't wait to see the GS review.Andrew_Xavier

It's all ready beginning, all the fanboys are all ready claiming that every reviewer is simply a video game newbie, and therefore can't properly rate the game.

Yes, it's called listening to what he's saying. He also said that Path of the Acolyte, the easiest setting in the entire game, is too tough. I'm sorry if it hurts your delicate sensibilities, but he is a newbie, by every definition of the word.

When you say that a game is more fun to watch than play iterally because "it requires split-second timing and luck", then you're a newbie at that game. It's not difficult to understand.

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]

[QUOTE="Cedmln"]Lol. Lemmings aren't going to get their AAA. Can't wait to see the GS review.Zeliard9

It's all ready beginning, all the fanboys are all ready claiming that every reviewer is simply a video game newbie, and therefore can't properly rate the game.

Yes, it's called listening to what he's saying. He also said that Path of the Acolyte, the easiest setting in the entire game, is too tough. I'm sorry if it hurts your delicate sensibilities, but he is a newbie, by every definition of the word.

When you say that a game is more fun to watch than play iterally because "it requires split-second timing and luck", then you're a newbie at that game. It's not difficult to understand.

Well there's challenging but then there's outright impossible. I mean the reviewer has probably been playing games his whole life, so there are people even WORSE than him!

Reviews aren't there to please the fanboys, they're an objective way of judging games. When a game is stupidly difficult, it detracts from the score. I don't think they criticised the difficulty only; mediocre graphics,extremely linear gameplay etc

I'm just trying tobe objective here. *Flameshield*

P.S- You make it seem as if there are 5 different difficulty settings and he chose the easiest one yet still failed. All I saw was path of the acolyte and path of the warrior :P

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]

[QUOTE="Cedmln"]Lol. Lemmings aren't going to get their AAA. Can't wait to see the GS review.Zeliard9

It's all ready beginning, all the fanboys are all ready claiming that every reviewer is simply a video game newbie, and therefore can't properly rate the game.

Yes, it's called listening to what he's saying. He also said that Path of the Acolyte, the easiest setting in the entire game, is too tough. I'm sorry if it hurts your delicate sensibilities, but he is a newbie, by every definition of the word.

When you say that a game is more fun to watch than play iterally because "it requires split-second timing and luck", then you're a newbie at that game. It's not difficult to understand.

Every review thus far has stated that you need a lot of luck in the game. Therefore, since you haven't played it, you are stated every reviewer (who plays video games for a living currently), must be a newbie.

Not only do they say it's more fun too watch than play. But the graphics look terrible, some of those textures look like first gen ps2 games... Flopitty Flop Flop :DSwiftD6

[QUOTE="Zeliard9"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]

[QUOTE="Cedmln"]Lol. Lemmings aren't going to get their AAA. Can't wait to see the GS review.Andrew_Xavier

It's all ready beginning, all the fanboys are all ready claiming that every reviewer is simply a video game newbie, and therefore can't properly rate the game.

Yes, it's called listening to what he's saying. He also said that Path of the Acolyte, the easiest setting in the entire game, is too tough. I'm sorry if it hurts your delicate sensibilities, but he is a newbie, by every definition of the word.

When you say that a game is more fun to watch than play iterally because "it requires split-second timing and luck", then you're a newbie at that game. It's not difficult to understand.

Every review thus far has stated that you need a lot of luck in the game. Therefore, since you haven't played it, you are stated every reviewer (who plays video games for a living currently), must be a newbie.

I Dont know about luck because that seems to be a general term when it comes to this game both past Ninja Gaiden cames it was a requirement that you we're actually good at games you had to be able to learn combos and moves and remember which adn what moves and combos worked againest who.

I Dont know about luck because that seems to be a general term when it comes to this game both past Ninja Gaiden cames it was a requirement that you we're actually good at games you had to be able to learn combos and moves and remember which adn what moves and combos worked againest who.

WilliamRLBaker

Yeah, I enjoyed Sigma because of that aspect, but, the reviews seem to say that II is way harder than sigma...which I'm not so sure about.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

I Dont know about luck because that seems to be a general term when it comes to this game both past Ninja Gaiden cames it was a requirement that you we're actually good at games you had to be able to learn combos and moves and remember which adn what moves and combos worked againest who.

Andrew_Xavier

Yeah, I enjoyed Sigma because of that aspect, but, the reviews seem to say that II is way harder than sigma...which I'm not so sure about.

I dont mind super hard as long as its not cheap hard in the ninja gaiden it was hard because you weren't doing things right, which is far from different that the enemy gets one lucky hit in and decimates you with inhuman powers. I like a challenge if the challenge is fair and i know that if i keep practiceing ill get past it.

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

I Dont know about luck because that seems to be a general term when it comes to this game both past Ninja Gaiden cames it was a requirement that you we're actually good at games you had to be able to learn combos and moves and remember which adn what moves and combos worked againest who.

WilliamRLBaker

Yeah, I enjoyed Sigma because of that aspect, but, the reviews seem to say that II is way harder than sigma...which I'm not so sure about.

I dont mind super hard as long as its not cheap hard in the ninja gaiden it was hard because you weren't doing things right, which is far from different that the enemy gets one lucky hit in and decimates you with inhuman powers. I like a challenge if the challenge is fair and i know that if i keep practiceing ill get past it.

Like Kengo? In Kengo you could be decimating your opponent, full life, he has literally none left, he lands an environmental hit, you are dead, re-do the entire level.

[QUOTE="Zeliard9"]

Yes, it's called listening to what he's saying. He also said that Path of the Acolyte, the easiest setting in the entire game, is too tough. I'm sorry if it hurts your delicate sensibilities, but he is a newbie, by every definition of the word.

When you say that a game is more fun to watch than play iterally because "it requires split-second timing and luck", then you're a newbie at that game. It's not difficult to understand.

Andrew_Xavier

Every review thus far has stated that you need a lot of luck in the game. Therefore, since you haven't played it, you are stated every reviewer (who plays video games for a living currently), must be a newbie.

Every review? :lol:

There's no need for silly hyperbole even if you don't have much of an argument. There have been reviews that say the game is actually easier than the previous ones, with the auto-health regen and save points that refill your health completely, which is another thing that makes complaints about the difficulty laughable.

Itagaki went out of his way to appease people who complained about the difficulty in previous NGs, and people still whine. Maybe they should try God of War.

And it doesn't matter how many video games you play for a living. Ninja Gaiden has a learning curve all to its own.

Need a second account to post this? How afraid are you?CRUSHER88

Lol qft. Anyways the game looks promising and I hope it's as good as it looks when I get my copy.

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="Zeliard9"]

Yes, it's called listening to what he's saying. He also said that Path of the Acolyte, the easiest setting in the entire game, is too tough. I'm sorry if it hurts your delicate sensibilities, but he is a newbie, by every definition of the word.

When you say that a game is more fun to watch than play iterally because "it requires split-second timing and luck", then you're a newbie at that game. It's not difficult to understand.

Zeliard9

Every review thus far has stated that you need a lot of luck in the game. Therefore, since you haven't played it, you are stated every reviewer (who plays video games for a living currently), must be a newbie.

Every review? :lol:

There's no need for silly hyperbole even if you don't have much of an argument. There have been reviews that say the game is actually easier than the previous ones, with the auto-health regen and save points that refill your health completely, which is another thing that makes complaints about the difficulty laughable.

Itagaki went out of his way to appease people who complained about the difficulty in previous NGs, and people still whine. Maybe they should try God of War.

And it doesn't matter how many video games you play for a living. Ninja Gaiden has a learning curve all to its own.

Ok we'll leave it to the elite NG2 playaz :P

Itagaki went out of his way to appease people who complained about the difficulty in previous NGs, and people still whine. Maybe they should try God of War.

Zeliard9

Well, if nothing else, at least we agree that GoW is overly easy.

Plus IGN, EG, and GT all mentioned that luck was necessary.

Ok we'll leave it to the elite NG2 playaz :P

the_one34

There's nothing elitist here. Look, Ninja Gaiden is a hard game. It's acclaimed for this, generally.

If a reviewer reviewed MGS4 and deducted points for having too many cutscenes, you'd be annoyed, right? MGS games are well-known for having cutscenes, and MGS fans love them because they love the story and characters. This is the same thing.

The difficulty in Ninja Gaiden is something to be loved and cherished, because it's a big part of what makes it so damn good. If you don't love the difficulty, then look for another series, because it just isn't for you. If you don't love cutscenes in MGS, look for another series, because it just isn't for you. That's as best as I can describe it.

This game will fail if it's truly harder then the first.

I love how people call game reviewers noobs for saying a game is too hard. Do you honestly think they are worse than the average gamer?

I'll rent it.

[QUOTE="the_one34"]

Ok we'll leave it to the elite NG2 playaz :P

Zeliard9

There's nothing elitist here. Look, Ninja Gaiden is a hard game. It's acclaimed for this, generally.

If a reviewer reviewed MGS4 and deducted points for having too many cutscenes, you'd be annoyed, right? MGS games are well-known for having cutscenes, and MGS fans love them because they love the story and characters. This is the same thing.

The difficulty in Ninja Gaiden is something to be loved and cherished, because it's a big part of what makes it so damn good. If you don't love the difficulty, then look for another series, because it just isn't for you. If you don't love cutscenes in MGS, look for another series, because it just isn't for you. That's as best as I can describe it.

I beat Ninja Gaiden on Xbox multiple times and loved it. The reviewers of NG2 seem to all agree that this time around, winning does not feel good at all because the A.I is uses extremely cheap tactics that test your luck instead of your skill, and the only way of beating them is to use cheap tactics back instead of using the stylish and fluid fighting system the game is known for.

This game will fail if it's truly harder then the first.

I love how people call game reviewers noobs for saying a game is too hard. Do you honestly think they are worse than the average gamer?

I'll rent it.

Koalakommander

Where is this rule that states every review for every game must be written for the casual gamer? Were Ikaruga reviews written for the casual gamer? No, they weren't. Were Ninja Gaiden Black reviews written for the casual gamer? Once again, no, they weren't.

The casual gaming population has increased dramatically in this generation, but that's no reason to take it out on the game for doing exactly what it's supposed to do.

[QUOTE="Zeliard9"][QUOTE="the_one34"]

Ok we'll leave it to the elite NG2 playaz :P

Koalakommander

There's nothing elitist here. Look, Ninja Gaiden is a hard game. It's acclaimed for this, generally.

If a reviewer reviewed MGS4 and deducted points for having too many cutscenes, you'd be annoyed, right? MGS games are well-known for having cutscenes, and MGS fans love them because they love the story and characters. This is the same thing.

The difficulty in Ninja Gaiden is something to be loved and cherished, because it's a big part of what makes it so damn good. If you don't love the difficulty, then look for another series, because it just isn't for you. If you don't love cutscenes in MGS, look for another series, because it just isn't for you. That's as best as I can describe it.

I beat Ninja Gaiden on Xbox multiple times and loved it. The reviewers of NG2 seem to all agree that this time around, winning does not feel good at all because the A.I is uses extremely cheap tactics that test your luck instead of your skill, and the only way of beating them is to use cheap tactics back instead of using the stylish and fluid fighting system the game is known for.

Cheap tactics like what, the ghost fish? There are numerous enemies throughout the first game that could be described as "cheap" depending on your POV. The 1UP review actually complained about enemies that shoot rockets and guns at you, a staple of Ninja Gaiden Black. Other reviews complain about being hit by enemies that they can't see. They would've complained about the same in Black, since they don't seem to know how to move around and operate the camera.

And I saw a vid of that boss that explodes that they all keep complaining about. He steadily turns bright red for about 3 seconds before exploding, in a very obvious indication that he's about to explode and that maybe you should block.

[QUOTE="Koalakommander"][QUOTE="Zeliard9"][QUOTE="the_one34"]

Ok we'll leave it to the elite NG2 playaz :P

Zeliard9

There's nothing elitist here. Look, Ninja Gaiden is a hard game. It's acclaimed for this, generally.

If a reviewer reviewed MGS4 and deducted points for having too many cutscenes, you'd be annoyed, right? MGS games are well-known for having cutscenes, and MGS fans love them because they love the story and characters. This is the same thing.

The difficulty in Ninja Gaiden is something to be loved and cherished, because it's a big part of what makes it so damn good. If you don't love the difficulty, then look for another series, because it just isn't for you. If you don't love cutscenes in MGS, look for another series, because it just isn't for you. That's as best as I can describe it.

I beat Ninja Gaiden on Xbox multiple times and loved it. The reviewers of NG2 seem to all agree that this time around, winning does not feel good at all because the A.I is uses extremely cheap tactics that test your luck instead of your skill, and the only way of beating them is to use cheap tactics back instead of using the stylish and fluid fighting system the game is known for.

Cheap tactics like what, the ghost fish? There are numerous enemies throughout the first game that could be described as "cheap" depending on your POV. The 1UP review actually complained about enemies that shoot rockets and guns at you, a staple of Ninja Gaiden Black. Other reviews complain about being hit by enemies that they can't see. They would've complained about the same in Black, since they don't seem to know how to move around and operate the camera.

And I saw a vid of that boss that explodes that they all keep complaining about. He steadily turns bright red for about 3 seconds before exploding, in a very obvious indication that he's about to explode and that maybe you should block.

Assuming that the boss is extremely difficult (they always are), you wouldnt know it was going to exlpode on first try would you? That's what ticked em off. Why would you add something so silly to an already ridiculously hard boss fight? It's basically saying, "haha try again" in your face as soon as you start to celebrate.

Now it's not a problem because you saw the video 0_o.

Cheap is walking into a room with the camera on you, and getting an explosive shruiken to the face from something offscreen.
Cheap is turning a corner and getting caught in an enemy grab that takes you down to half health.
Cheap is you getting lucky enough to dodge that first attack when the screen loads, and run up the nearest wall pressing Y repeatedly to downward slash everything in the room.

These are moments that don't make sense. It's goes from gritting your teeth and saying, "man this is tough" and feeling successful when you defeat it -- to setting the controller down saying, "this is just stupid", and feeling just as stupid when you beat it.

It's a reviewer's job to speak in the POV of the typical consumer, and not the pro gamer in his basement. Some guy will walk into gamestop and see NG2's sweet box art and graphics and the, "Sequel to Game of the Year" BS on the box, and he would buy it. Do you honestly think he would put up with an exploding boss? Do you think he even has a chance of getting pass the first level? (most people who tried NG couldn't beat the nunchuk guy, and those who did used the wall jump attack repeatedly).

So you dont think it's legitamte for a review to mention these things? They make room to mention that if you are that pro gamer who enjoyed the first then you'll love the 2nd. But you can't deny that the camera is slower moving then the onscreen action, you can't deny that some situations in the game are just plain dumb, and you can't deny that most people would be turned off by NG2's difficulty.

I wouldnt, you wouldnt, but that's not the issue here.

Need a second account to post this? How afraid are you?CRUSHER88

OWN3D!!!!!! :lol:

I own DMC4 and will buy Ninja Gaiden 2 on day one so I don't care what scores better. For me Ninja Gaiden 2 looks like a faster, more brutal upgraded version of the previous game, and that's enough for me as I thought the last game was pretty much perfect.

Review scores so far have been what I expected as most reviewers are weak sauce when it comes to Ninja Gaiden.

[QUOTE="the_one34"]

Ok we'll leave it to the elite NG2 playaz :P

Zeliard9

There's nothing elitist here. Look, Ninja Gaiden is a hard game. It's acclaimed for this, generally.

If a reviewer reviewed MGS4 and deducted points for having too many cutscenes, you'd be annoyed, right? MGS games are well-known for having cutscenes, and MGS fans love them because they love the story and characters. This is the same thing.

The difficulty in Ninja Gaiden is something to be loved and cherished, because it's a big part of what makes it so damn good. If you don't love the difficulty, then look for another series, because it just isn't for you. If you don't love cutscenes in MGS, look for another series, because it just isn't for you. That's as best as I can describe it.

I fully agree, I hate easy games. I understand your point about MGS, we've just got different tastes; our "niche" so to speak. NG2 will score 9.0 at GS, I'm sure.

Reserved for future ownage :D

Where they playing on an SD TV through an RF plug or something?

I played the demo on my SD TV and it looked better than Sigma does on my HD TV.

More fun to watch than play?

Sounds more like they were ripped a new one by NG2 :lol:

just a question (no offence to anyone), but can lemmings explain why when PS3 games get low scores or are criticised the Reviewers / websites / mags are reliable and the score was deserved, but when scores are not as expected/hyped for Xbox360 games suddenly none is reliable and reviewers become casuals who are not gamers...

Each review that didn give a 9/10 or ore to NG2, acording to lemmings are not-reliable or else the reviewer in question is some sort of amatuer who is not good at difficult games....

I think we should be mature enough to accept good to average score in the same way we accept great to excellent scores...

just a question (no offence to anyone), but can lemmings explain why when PS3 games get low scores or are criticised the Reviewers / websites / mags are reliable and the score was deserved, but when scores are not as expected/hyped for Xbox360 games suddenly none is reliable and reviewers become casuals who are not gamers...

Each review that didn give a 9/10 or ore to NG2, acording to lemmings are not-reliable or else the reviewer in question is some sort of amatuer who is not good at difficult games....

I think we should be mature enough to accept good to average score in the same way we accept great to excellent scores...

Malta_1980

Thats the kind of serious descussion the general gaming forum is for.

Not to mention if you look at a lot of SW posters game collections you'll see that even most that sound like fanboys in their post have multible systems. And have games that did not score AAA ratings on GS.

It's just a game. ;)

just a question (no offence to anyone), but can lemmings explain why when PS3 games get low scores or are criticised the Reviewers / websites / mags are reliable and the score was deserved, but when scores are not as expected/hyped for Xbox360 games suddenly none is reliable and reviewers become casuals who are not gamers...

Each review that didn give a 9/10 or ore to NG2, acording to lemmings are not-reliable or else the reviewer in question is some sort of amatuer who is not good at difficult games....

I think we should be mature enough to accept good to average score in the same way we accept great to excellent scores...

Malta_1980

You do know MGS4 just got an 8 from Eurogamer and Edge magazine, 2 permier and averaged reviewers? It's not exactly gonna be topping any metacritic or gamerankings lists either, heh.

That said, this is fanboy wars. Ninja Gaiden 2 doesn't average AAA, so here come the 360 haters. I could care less, but fanboyism and the interent are at fault, as if you didn't already know that.

To GS Admin.;

Please make it so a user who wishes to post in the boards must have at least a level of five (5) in order to make a post.

Thanks,

Verg

Verge_6

i 2nd that.

[QUOTE="Zeliard9"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]

[QUOTE="Cedmln"]Lol. Lemmings aren't going to get their AAA. Can't wait to see the GS review.the_one34

It's all ready beginning, all the fanboys are all ready claiming that every reviewer is simply a video game newbie, and therefore can't properly rate the game.

Yes, it's called listening to what he's saying. He also said that Path of the Acolyte, the easiest setting in the entire game, is too tough. I'm sorry if it hurts your delicate sensibilities, but he is a newbie, by every definition of the word.

When you say that a game is more fun to watch than play iterally because "it requires split-second timing and luck", then you're a newbie at that game. It's not difficult to understand.

Well there's challenging but then there's outright impossible. I mean the reviewer has probably been playing games his whole life, so there are people even WORSE than him!

Reviews aren't there to please the fanboys, they're an objective way of judging games. When a game is stupidly difficult, it detracts from the score. I don't think they criticised the difficulty only; mediocre graphics,extremely linear gameplay etc

I'm just trying tobe objective here. *Flameshield*

P.S- You make it seem as if there are 5 different difficulty settings and he chose the easiest one yet still failed. All I saw was path of the acolyte and path of the warrior :P

I have friends that have been playing games for nearly their entire life, which is about 20+ years, and they suck at most games.... playing for many years does not a skilled gamer make. although it can help.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

To GS Admin.;

Please make it so a user who wishes to post in the boards must have at least a level of five (5) in order to make a post.

Thanks,

Verg

sdu_1111

i 2nd that.

OMG.... the nasty things i would do to ur sig girl.... I'm only a stones throw from Japan, she better hide.

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="Zeliard9"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]

[QUOTE="Cedmln"]Lol. Lemmings aren't going to get their AAA. Can't wait to see the GS review.WilliamRLBaker

It's all ready beginning, all the fanboys are all ready claiming that every reviewer is simply a video game newbie, and therefore can't properly rate the game.

Yes, it's called listening to what he's saying. He also said that Path of the Acolyte, the easiest setting in the entire game, is too tough. I'm sorry if it hurts your delicate sensibilities, but he is a newbie, by every definition of the word.

When you say that a game is more fun to watch than play iterally because "it requires split-second timing and luck", then you're a newbie at that game. It's not difficult to understand.

Every review thus far has stated that you need a lot of luck in the game. Therefore, since you haven't played it, you are stated every reviewer (who plays video games for a living currently), must be a newbie.

I Dont know about luck because that seems to be a general term when it comes to this game both past Ninja Gaiden cames it was a requirement that you we're actually good at games you had to be able to learn combos and moves and remember which adn what moves and combos worked againest who.

I cant say that i am very good at it but i beat Ninja gaiden sigma almost with only 1 move, that jump charge attack that slice through a row(forgot name). Didn't do it all time at bosses tho and i totally sucked at perform combos.

I still think NG2 will get AAA here at gamespot!

Cant wait for this game and Metal Gear

He's what the French call "Le Noob".Zeliard9

:lol: Priceless :lol: