Nintendo fans, do you feel alienated by the Wii?

Listening to the latest 1Up Yours the Editorial Director of the network stated that he expected Nintendo to have the best conference at E3 (in terms of entertainment value) but they would alienate even the most hardcore fans with a shift over to casual games with the Wii

This is not a huge shock. A HUGE majority of Wii games from third parties are crappy minigame collections and Nintendo is leading the charge with the likes of Wii Play and Wii sports. There is no doubt that we will see the occasional B level third party Wii game and a handful of AAA third party titles by the end of the console's life, but how is that any different from the Gamecube?

I'm not making complaints over largely irrelevant things like processing power or online, i'm talking about the Games and the Games alone. The way i see it so far , is that the Wii has basically the same type of library as the gamecube + tons of shovelware + tons of minigame collections. At what point will you guys realisee that despite its success, the Wii's library of gamers games is basically the same as the Gamecube's in terms of quality titles?

On a related note, stephen spielberg announced his Wii exclusive title today and it turns out i's an advanced version of Jenga. Dissapointing? yes. Unexpected? no. As it stands right know this is the future of the Wii, and while it will no doubt be an incredibly successful future it does not benefit YOU as gamers.

Not really, I've still got SSBB coming out, still got Super Mario Galaxy, Disaster Day of Crisis, Crystal Chronicles, and Sadness coming out. The bottom line is that this E3 stuff is stilis still all just speculation, I'm sure there'll be a bit more of a leaning towards 'casual' games, but there'll still be plenty of games for real gamers. People complain about mini-games on the wii, but the same thing happened on the DS, it's just a trial period during which devs are trying to figure out how to use the technology.

Nintendo Alienated me after they made the N64. as a huge fan of the NES and SNES, it saddens me to see what garbage Nintendo keeps churning out in the name of trying to sell to everyoneGzus666

I think you mean the garbage 3rd parties are trying to give us on the Wii.

I feel less alienated having a Wii than any other console because there hasn't been a single person who didn't enjoy the system. Girlfriend, parents, professors, non-gamers; everyone likes it.

Now if you want to rephrase the question as "do you feel alienated from the hardcore crowd", then I'd still say no, because outside of message boards online, all of the hardcore gamers that I talk to in a little place called reality also enjoy the system.

Now if you want to rephrase the question yet again as "do you feel alienated from the hardcore, message-board attending crowd", then I'd still say no, because many of those people have and enjoy the Wii.

Now if you want to rephrase the question one last time as "do you feel alienated from the hardcore, message-board attending crowd that's been told by Microsoft and Sony that the only way to enhance the gaming experience is through raw horse power", then I'd say yes, but then I'd also mention that I never agreed with said crowd to begin with, so the point is moot.

[QUOTE="Gzus666"]Nintendo Alienated me after they made the N64. as a huge fan of the NES and SNES, it saddens me to see what garbage Nintendo keeps churning out in the name of trying to sell to everyonekman3002

I think you mean the garbage 3rd parties are trying to give us on the Wii.

no, i think the wii mote is a stupid idea, its an ok system, but not a solid game platform. its not just the Wii that i dont like anyway. i dont like the game cube, althought i thought Pikman was a blast. i dont like the N64, cause the games sucked. i didnt like the DS, cause again, silly controls.

Nintendo fans, do you feel alienated by the Wii?

Ask me that after E3 and I can tell you. Ultimately, I'm waiting until the end of year to pass my final verdict on whether the Wii is a good console or not, I'm a Nintendo fan and I can honestly say that I am less than impressed by the Wii. The idea is great and innovative, but it isn't being put to good use. This is probably the first Nintendo platform to disappoint me... so far anyway. That could change after Smash Bros., Super Mario Galaxy, and Metroid.

[QUOTE="daqua_99"]I don't feel alienated by Nintendo ..... persoanlly, the games on the GC were great, and having the same quality of games on the Wii as the GC had would be fine for me ... and what I don't get on the Wii I have my PC ... GraveRIP

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[QUOTE="Gzus666"]Nintendo Alienated me after they made the N64. as a huge fan of the NES and SNES, it saddens me to see what garbage Nintendo keeps churning out in the name of trying to sell to everyoneGzus666

I think you mean the garbage 3rd parties are trying to give us on the Wii.

no, i think the wii mote is a stupid idea, its an ok system, but not a solid game platform. its not just the Wii that i dont like anyway. i dont like the game cube, althought i thought Pikman was a blast. i dont like the N64, cause the games sucked. i didnt like the DS, cause again, silly controls.

That's where I lost respect for you.:(

Wait until E3 and then we can discuss.

Like I've been saying third parties turned heads, now lets see what they come out with.

[QUOTE="Gzus666"][QUOTE="kman3002"]

[QUOTE="Gzus666"]Nintendo Alienated me after they made the N64. as a huge fan of the NES and SNES, it saddens me to see what garbage Nintendo keeps churning out in the name of trying to sell to everyonekman3002

I think you mean the garbage 3rd parties are trying to give us on the Wii.

no, i think the wii mote is a stupid idea, its an ok system, but not a solid game platform. its not just the Wii that i dont like anyway. i dont like the game cube, althought i thought Pikman was a blast. i dont like the N64, cause the games sucked. i didnt like the DS, cause again, silly controls.

That's where I lost respect for you.:(

cause i dont like the system you liked? i owned a NES and loved it to death, if they just would have continued along that general model, i would probably still love nintendo. but instead they did the kids gaming crap, some of them good, most sucked.

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[QUOTE="Gzus666"]Nintendo Alienated me after they made the N64. as a huge fan of the NES and SNES, it saddens me to see what garbage Nintendo keeps churning out in the name of trying to sell to everyoneGzus666

I think you mean the garbage 3rd parties are trying to give us on the Wii.

no, i think the wii mote is a stupid idea, its an ok system, but not a solid game platform. its not just the Wii that i dont like anyway. i dont like the game cube, althought i thought Pikman was a blast. i dont like the N64, cause the games sucked. i didnt like the DS, cause again, silly controls.

Nintendo Alienated me after they made the N64. as a huge fan of the NES and SNES, it saddens me to see what garbage Nintendo keeps churning out in the name of trying to sell to everyoneGzus666

As you said Nintendo fans... So to answer your question not at all. It's getting the Nintendo franchises + new ones and this might shock you coming from the post above, but I'm actually very interested in some of the 3rd party offerings announced for the Wii.

As for the rest, even the 1up issue, it might be a concern to some but it's mostly just speculation.

I can tell you this, if it weren't for the Wii I wouldn't even be that interested in this generation, why? Because I can see a different focus in the Wii, one that was used 10 years ago and another that stays away from what has been a constant focus of every generation in every single gen.

The Wii is different, it offers more then just another gen with 3 consoles on the market that follow the exact same road. I have to admit, I have been feeling quite alienated by gaming for some time now, specially because each and every single console has been doing the exact same thing for the last 10 or so years...

I feel less alienated having a Wii than any other console because there hasn't been a single person who didn't enjoy the system. Girlfriend, parents, professors, non-gamers; everyone likes it.

Now if you want to rephrase the question as "do you feel alienated from the hardcore crowd", then I'd still say no, because outside of message boards online, all of the hardcore gamers that I talk to in a little place called reality also enjoy the system.

Now if you want to rephrase the question yet again as "do you feel alienated from the hardcore, message-board attending crowd", then I'd still say no, because many of those people have and enjoy the Wii.

Now if you want to rephrase the question one last time as "do you feel alienated from the hardcore, message-board attending crowd that's been told by Microsoft and Sony that the only way to enhance the gaming experience is through raw horse power", then I'd say yes, but then I'd also mention that I never agreed with said crowd to begin with, so the point is moot.

Michael85

Michael85 is a smart guy! I agree 100%

no, i think the wii mote is a stupid idea, its an ok system, but not a solid game platform. its not just the Wii that i dont like anyway. i dont like the game cube, althought i thought Pikman was a blast. i dont like the N64, cause the games sucked. i didnt like the DS, cause again, silly controls.

Gzus666

What ridiculous arguments. We are gamers and we play games, a new way to control them should not have any bearing on your enjoyment of them if they're implemented well. Take the DS for example. A fantastic machine with Amazing games from first and third parties, yet you dismiss it because "teh touch screen is dumb lolz!!!!". How can you even call yourself a gamer?

Not really, I've still got SSBB coming out, still got Super Mario Galaxy, Disaster Day of Crisis, Crystal Chronicles, and Sadness coming out. The bottom line is that this E3 stuff is stilis still all just speculation, I'm sure there'll be a bit more of a leaning towards 'casual' games, but there'll still be plenty of games for real gamers. People complain about mini-games on the wii, but the same thing happened on the DS, it's just a trial period during which devs are trying to figure out how to use the technology.

MronoC

You have mentioned the DS, but you forget that the only competition that the DS had was the PSP which was pretty poor competition, and it took two years for the DS to get decent support. Are you really prepared to wait 2 years for the Wii to start getting decent third party titles? As well as this the DS was never flooded with non games, whereas the Wii has been. What makes you think that developers will change their stance on Wii development?

As for the games that you mentioned, my overwhelming feeling looking at them is "gamecube". Those titles (or their predecessors) were pretty muchall on the GC (Although Disaster looks mildly appealing but Sadness is just vapourware)

I feel less alienated having a Wii than any other console because there hasn't been a single person who didn't enjoy the system. Girlfriend, parents, professors, non-gamers; everyone likes it.

Now if you want to rephrase the question as "do you feel alienated from the hardcore crowd", then I'd still say no, because outside of message boards online, all of the hardcore gamers that I talk to in a little place called reality also enjoy the system.

Now if you want to rephrase the question yet again as "do you feel alienated from the hardcore, message-board attending crowd", then I'd still say no, because many of those people have and enjoy the Wii.

Now if you want to rephrase the question one last time as "do you feel alienated from the hardcore, message-board attending crowd that's been told by Microsoft and Sony that the only way to enhance the gaming experience is through raw horse power", then I'd say yes, but then I'd also mention that I never agreed with said crowd to begin with, so the point is moot.

Michael85

I dont argue that raw horsepower is the be all and end all of gaming, that is the argument PS3/360 fans are making and they are getting owned for the privelage. What i argue is that you are a gamer. I do not doubt that Watrioware and Wii sports are tremendous fun in groups. But this is our hobby and those of us who have owned the Snes and Nes did not sign up to play the occasional game of tennis or bowling.

Where are the tradditional game experiences? I dont mean traditional in terms of controls, but titles that are built for single player. titles that have depth and beauty and imagination. Titles like shadow of the Colussus or OOT or half life that truly engross you and make you appreciate gaming. As far as i see it you get the nintendo stuff, a handful of third party titles and the rest is shovelware and minigame collections. and as i said that's just the gamecube all over again

[QUOTE="kman3002"][QUOTE="Gzus666"][QUOTE="kman3002"]

[QUOTE="Gzus666"]Nintendo Alienated me after they made the N64. as a huge fan of the NES and SNES, it saddens me to see what garbage Nintendo keeps churning out in the name of trying to sell to everyoneGzus666

I think you mean the garbage 3rd parties are trying to give us on the Wii.

no, i think the wii mote is a stupid idea, its an ok system, but not a solid game platform. its not just the Wii that i dont like anyway. i dont like the game cube, althought i thought Pikman was a blast. i dont like the N64, cause the games sucked. i didnt like the DS, cause again, silly controls.

That's where I lost respect for you.:(

cause i dont like the system you liked? i owned a NES and loved it to death, if they just would have continued along that general model, i would probably still love nintendo. but instead they did the kids gaming crap, some of them good, most sucked.

No because you said the N64 sucked:evil: now you can insult the Wii and GC all you want and i'll even let you insult the DS but when you insult the N64 where some of my happiest moments in gaming took place then it's go time.:evil:

NorthlandMan you do know that the DS started off WAY worse then the Wii has right?

It only had like 5 AA titles and 0 AAA's at this point, and most of the big titles that came out later that year weren't announced until....well E3.

[QUOTE="MronoC"]

Not really, I've still got SSBB coming out, still got Super Mario Galaxy, Disaster Day of Crisis, Crystal Chronicles, and Sadness coming out. The bottom line is that this E3 stuff is stilis still all just speculation, I'm sure there'll be a bit more of a leaning towards 'casual' games, but there'll still be plenty of games for real gamers. People complain about mini-games on the wii, but the same thing happened on the DS, it's just a trial period during which devs are trying to figure out how to use the technology.

NorthlandMan

You have mentioned the DS, but you forget that the only competition that the DS had was the PSP which was pretty poor competition, and it took two years for the DS to get decent support. Are you really prepared to wait 2 years for the Wii to start getting decent third party titles? As well as this the DS was never flooded with non games, whereas the Wii has been. What makes you think that developers will change their stance on Wii development?

As for the games that you mentioned, my overwhelming feeling looking at them is "gamecube". Those titles (or their predecessors) were pretty muchall on the GC (Although Disaster looks mildly appealing but Sadness is just vapourware)

First off, I'm not comparing the DS to the wii in terms of competition, just in terms ofdevelopment. second, the first part games for the DS more than held me over, and as for your opinions on my anticipated games, I really don't care.

this is for you Northlandman, im not quoting that little fiasco you have there. i didnt argue that it sucks for everyone, you asked if i feel alienated, and thats why i do. im sorry i grew up on Atari, NES and computer games and progressed from there. i feel handhelds arent my forte anyway, and the DS is just silly.

i also think games like guitar hero are retarded, lots of people love it. the Wii alienates me, and thats what you asked. glad youre too self righteous to remember i was answering your question. i think you need to figure out what an argument is, cause i could care less what you think about the wii, i was merely answering what you asked in my opiion.

[QUOTE="Gzus666"][QUOTE="kman3002"][QUOTE="Gzus666"][QUOTE="kman3002"]

[QUOTE="Gzus666"]Nintendo Alienated me after they made the N64. as a huge fan of the NES and SNES, it saddens me to see what garbage Nintendo keeps churning out in the name of trying to sell to everyonekman3002

I think you mean the garbage 3rd parties are trying to give us on the Wii.

no, i think the wii mote is a stupid idea, its an ok system, but not a solid game platform. its not just the Wii that i dont like anyway. i dont like the game cube, althought i thought Pikman was a blast. i dont like the N64, cause the games sucked. i didnt like the DS, cause again, silly controls.

That's where I lost respect for you.:(

cause i dont like the system you liked? i owned a NES and loved it to death, if they just would have continued along that general model, i would probably still love nintendo. but instead they did the kids gaming crap, some of them good, most sucked.

No because you said the N64 sucked:evil: now you can insult the Wii and GC all you want and i'll even let you insult the DS but when you insult the N64 where some of my happiest moments in gaming took place then it's go time.:evil:

N64 did suck, it clearly lost horribly, and was a poor game system. happiest moments? you must not have been old enough to own an NES or Atari when they were around, cause those were good times. playing blaster master, castlevania, zelda, mario, contra, ninja gaiden, metroid and so on.

since then all nintendo has been doing is realeasing the same 3 games over and over, zelda, mario, metroid. they screwed up metroid, mario is tired, zelda is still a decent series, but not the same as it was back in the day.

I still don't get why people don't understand that it makes time to make good games, especially since E3 hasn't come out yet. Let alone the fact that many Japanese actually many developers worldwide are switching to Wii.

Oh well I guess I'll give more ownage then. :)

As far as i see it you get the nintendo stuff, a handful of third party titles and the rest is shovelware and minigame collections. and as i said that's just the gamecube all over again

NorthlandMan

That is a possibility, but that is all that is. The Wii has better support right now then the Cube had in its entire life, I'm seeing games and series for the Wii that I would never thought to see them on a Nintendo console again.

Lets be realistic here. You are comparing a console that has been out for 6 years, that doesn't have much of a big library in comparison to its competition in number of games, had horrible sales and horrible 3rd party to a console that just came out, has a smaller less impressive library do to obvious reasons, has bigger support then its predecessors with awsome sales and very good media upon it.

Right now, both of those consoles are nothing alike in many areas and if you do indeed compare them it's just not fair to do so with a console so old to one that is in its infancy.

NorthlandMan you do know that the DS started off WAY worse then the Wii has right?

It only had like 5 AA titles and 0 AAA's.

Dencore

Yep

but again there were key differences. It had poor competition, and developers weren't really pumping ANY resources at all into it, whereas with the Wii they are pumping tons of resources into the console. They're jsut all going to make minigame collections and the like. The difference with the DS was that i could see hope for the handheld straight away,, and i had no other decent alternative. I cant say the same about the Wii at this point

First off, I'm not comparing the DS to the wii in terms of competition, just in terms ofdevelopment. second, the first part games for the DS more than held me over, and as for your opinions on my anticipated games, I really don't care.

MronoC

I'm not questioning your taste. I'm looking forward to some of those titles as well. The difference is that apart from those amazing first party titles from proven series' there hasn't really been anything that has "wowed" me to the degree that games like Bioshock or Mass Effect have on the PS3/360. I have no doubt that we will see some that do, but the questions are when will we see them and how many will they be.

this is for you Northlandman, im not quoting that little fiasco you have there. i didnt argue that it sucks for everyone, you asked if i feel alienated, and thats why i do. im sorry i grew up on Atari, NES and computer games and progressed from there. i feel handhelds arent my forte anyway, and the DS is just silly.

i also think games like guitar hero are retarded, lots of people love it. the Wii alienates me, and thats what you asked. glad youre too self righteous to remember i was answering your question. i think you need to figure out what an argument is, cause i could care less what you think about the wii, i was merely answering what you asked in my opiion.

Gzus666

The only fiasco here is your post son. Your immediate assertion that anything with controls that differ from the norm is terrible pretty much showed you up straight away. Then to top it off you criticise the most successful handheld ever and the most successful rhythm game ever. Congratulations, you're small minded

No-one is questioning whether handhelds are your forte. What they are questioning is your childish assertion that the DS sucks because of its interface, when many gamers more experienced and knowledgeable like you are very fond of the machine. If the best you can contribute to a topic about the direction taken by Wii software is "teh Wii and DS suck becoz they have different controls lol!!!!" then you shouldn't contribute at all.

I still don't get why people don't understand that it makes time to make good games, especially since E3 hasn't come out yet. Let alone the fact that many Japanese actually many developers worldwide are switching to Wii.

Oh well I guess I'll give more ownage then. :)

Dencore

Agreed! How friggin' hard is it to get people?

A HUGE majority of Wii games from third parties are crappy minigame collections and Nintendo is leading the charge with the likes of Wii Play and Wii sports.

NorthlandMan

Fix this completely inaccurate quote and then I'll get back to you.

N64 did suck, it clearly lost horribly, and was a poor game system. happiest moments? you must not have been old enough to own an NES or Atari when they were around, cause those were good times. playing blaster master, castlevania, zelda, mario, contra, ninja gaiden, metroid and so on.

since then all nintendo has been doing is realeasing the same 3 games over and over, zelda, mario, metroid. they screwed up metroid, mario is tired, zelda is still a decent series, but not the same as it was back in the day.

Gzus666

Zelda: OOT and Mario 64 were awesome, of course they could not be compared to the SNES games, but they were still awesome. That's like saying something really good sucks just because the best is better :\

I'm buying the Wii later on for Nintendo's games. I think they'll have a good mix of hardcore and casual games released.

I don't care what 3rd parties make because the majority will just be quick cash games, but if a good 3rd party game comes along, I'll look into it, but like I said, I'm primarily buying the Wii for Nintendo's 1st party games.

I do feel like we hardcore gamers are getting the shaft, and it's only going to get worse from here on out. I'm looking forward to the big three of course, as well as the other classic Nintendo franchises we'll see down the road, but I feel that I was suckered into this whole Wiimote and gameplay over graphics business. I think that the Wiimote will be great for the next Zelda and FPS games, but until it happens the controller hasn't been all that great.

Nintendo games will probably always be my favorite, but it's the above reasons that I should be a 360 owner as well by the end of the month.

[QUOTE="Gzus666"]N64 did suck, it clearly lost horribly, and was a poor game system. happiest moments? you must not have been old enough to own an NES or Atari when they were around, cause those were good times. playing blaster master, castlevania, zelda, mario, contra, ninja gaiden, metroid and so on.

since then all nintendo has been doing is realeasing the same 3 games over and over, zelda, mario, metroid. they screwed up metroid, mario is tired, zelda is still a decent series, but not the same as it was back in the day.

Eponique

Zelda: OOT and Mario 64 were awesome, of course they could not be compared to the SNES games, but they were still awesome. That's like saying something really good sucks just because the best is better :\

Andyou can't forget PERFECT DARK, which ia STILL the best console FPS. (IMO)

I, personally, am terribly dissapointed in the 3rd party sorgware lineup for the Wii thus far. The only game I am hyping AAA from a 3rd party is Final Fantasy CC2. Everything else looks to be high AA and lower (not saying high AA is bad). The worst thing that could have happened to Wii is the fact that Manhunt 2 was delayed... maybe forever. The Wii needs a shot at getting all types of genres and ratings. The highest selling games include Zelda, Paper Mario, Red Steel, Wii Play, Wario Ware and RE4. That includes 2 teen games, 3 E games, and 1 M game. I really do believe that the Wii can and will (in the future) suceed at capturing all audiences. College students are always serching for the next WarioWare you know :|

Metroid Prime 3 will save the Wii from starvation for me, and im still working on RE4's extra content. :)

Will the Wii get tons and TONS of dumb mini-game, family friendly content? oh god.... it will. And sheep will get to hear about it by the truck load. But will they care? Maybe a little, but as long as MP3, Mario Galaxy, Smash Bros, and other titles come out from nintendo, they will be completely content.

I was thinking on a general level about this thread, and came up with this.

PS1 vs N64, the PS1 had the same mass market appeal that Wii now has, and attracted lots of new/casual gamers. I remember very vividly the new people playing FFVII. Anyways, I think new gamers have to come from somewhere, it happens every few generations (xbox + halo kinda pulled that trick with the frat boys last gen, i think), and I don't think the PS3 was going to do that with a 600 dollar price tag.

I was thinking on a general level about this thread, and came up with this.

PS1 vs N64, the PS1 had the same mass market appeal that Wii now has, and attracted lots of new/casual gamers. I remember very vividly the new people playing FFVII. Anyways, I think new gamers have to come from somewhere, it happens every few generations (xbox + halo kinda pulled that trick with the frat boys last gen, i think), and I don't think the PS3 was going to do that with a 600 dollar price tag.

Xerlaoth

True, there is always a "entry level" console every couple of generations that makes it easy to get into gaming.

Not really, no.