Nintendo hasn't been hardcore since the SNES

So here's a question, why do people seem to think it has been?

After the N64 came out, Nintendo was firmly established as a fun party system. Must have, but really only great when you have friends.

When it came to hardcore single player experiences, they were best found on the PSone and the PC. And the ONLY online experiences were on the PC back then.

The Gamecube was in the same boat. A rehash of what single player experiences were established on the N64 and a bunch of awesome party games.

The Wii is heading the same direction, just wait. It wasn't until 1999 that Zelda Ocarina of Time came out, and that was SEVEN years after Link to the Past was released.

Times haven't changed a bit, so why is everyone complaining?

they were hardcore enough during the gamecube as far as im concernedVendettaRed07

That is when they were at their hardest... and then the Wii came along and crapped all over Nintendo's reputation as being faithful to the core fanbase that made them what they were... not what they are now.

Mario 64, Banjo Kazooie, Banjo Tooie, DK64, Ocarina Of Time, Majora's Mask, Lylat Wars, Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Jet Force Gemini, F Zero X, Pilotwings 64. All made/published by Nintendo, all incredible single player experiences.

Trying to diss the N64, lol. Stick to the Wi.

they were hardcore enough during the gamecube as far as im concernedVendettaRed07

Most of the Hardcore to speak of was 3rd party multiplats though.

It's kind of hard to get those when you don't have a system that can handle the latest and greatest.

But people should have been expecting that - that all they would get with their Wii was first party Nintendo games with the occasional innovation willing to reach out to the Wii's unique controls.

It's true that they have been slacking lately.

SMG proves that they still got talent though.

[QUOTE="VendettaRed07"]they were hardcore enough during the gamecube as far as im concernedmstc_Q

Most of the Hardcore to speak of was 3rd party multiplats though.

not really

even so, who cares, they still got hard core games, and the system was more powerful than the ps2,

Mario 64, Banjo Kazooie, Banjo Tooie, DK64, Ocarina Of Time, Majora's Mask, Lylat Wars, Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Jet Force Gemini, F Zero X, Pilotwings 64. All made/published by Nintendo, all incredible single player experiences.

Trying to diss the N64, lol. Stick to the Wi.

locopatho

I've played all of those (except maybe DK64) and they're all just as hardcore as what's available right now on the Wii with Mario Galaxy and etc.

Not to mention, the N64 was out for 2 years before it saw its first Zelda iteration.

It might just be the cow in my coming out, but seriously people "Just wait".

[QUOTE="locopatho"]

Mario 64, Banjo Kazooie, Banjo Tooie, DK64, Ocarina Of Time, Majora's Mask, Lylat Wars, Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Jet Force Gemini, F Zero X, Pilotwings 64. All made/published by Nintendo, all incredible single player experiences.

Trying to diss the N64, lol. Stick to the Wi.

mstc_Q

I've played all of those (except maybe DK64) and they're all just as hardcore as what's available right now on the Wii with Mario Galaxy and etc.

Not to mention, the N64 was out for 2 years before it saw its first Zelda iteration.

It might just be the cow in my coming out, but seriously people "Just wait".

I have to agree with you. The Wii is hardcore.

actually n64, and gamecube were the hardcoreness of nintendo wii is where they have gone all casual.WilliamRLBaker

All casual = Releaseing all of their major franchises in the first year?

This year is Casual, because they release everything core last year...... These games take a while to make...

OoT came out in '98 Paleo_Orca

What the... then how is it the 1999 game of the year?

[QUOTE="mstc_Q"][QUOTE="locopatho"]

Mario 64, Banjo Kazooie, Banjo Tooie, DK64, Ocarina Of Time, Majora's Mask, Lylat Wars, Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Jet Force Gemini, F Zero X, Pilotwings 64. All made/published by Nintendo, all incredible single player experiences.

Trying to diss the N64, lol. Stick to the Wi.

GundamGuy0

I've played all of those (except maybe DK64) and they're all just as hardcore as what's available right now on the Wii with Mario Galaxy and etc.

Not to mention, the N64 was out for 2 years before it saw its first Zelda iteration.

It might just be the cow in my coming out, but seriously people "Just wait".

I have to agree with you. The Wii is hardcore.

[QUOTE="locopatho"]

Mario 64, Banjo Kazooie, Banjo Tooie, DK64, Ocarina Of Time, Majora's Mask, Lylat Wars, Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Jet Force Gemini, F Zero X, Pilotwings 64. All made/published by Nintendo, all incredible single player experiences.

Trying to diss the N64, lol. Stick to the Wi.

mstc_Q

I've played all of those (except maybe DK64) and they're all just as hardcore as what's available right now on the Wii with Mario Galaxy and etc.

Not to mention, the N64 was out for 2 years before it saw its first Zelda iteration.

It might just be the cow in my coming out, but seriously people "Just wait".

I'm not saying anything about the Wii, I'm responding to you saying N64 was casual. It clearly wasn't. Apart from Mario Kart and Party what was casual about it.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

actually n64, and gamecube were the hardcoreness of nintendo wii is where they have gone all casual.GundamGuy0

All casual = Releaseing all of their major franchises in the first year?

Of course! Casuals love Metroid, didn't you know? :|

.samusarmada

and mp2 was like soooo much more hardcore than that one, like i couldnt even beat it, it was so tough. i got so insanely lost, but i had fun being lost because the graphics were so amazing back in the day especially at 60fps

.samusarmada

tut really despise this *hardcore gamer* title people give themselves, as if it makes you any more credibile than anyone else. bloody totalitarian approach, GAMES ARE FOR FUN

As long as the games fun, who cares if its hardcore or not? id be shocked if alot of people on here that consider themselves as hardcore can remember pre snes days

[QUOTE="mstc_Q"][QUOTE="locopatho"]

Mario 64, Banjo Kazooie, Banjo Tooie, DK64, Ocarina Of Time, Majora's Mask, Lylat Wars, Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Jet Force Gemini, F Zero X, Pilotwings 64. All made/published by Nintendo, all incredible single player experiences.

Trying to diss the N64, lol. Stick to the Wi.

locopatho

I've played all of those (except maybe DK64) and they're all just as hardcore as what's available right now on the Wii with Mario Galaxy and etc.

Not to mention, the N64 was out for 2 years before it saw its first Zelda iteration.

It might just be the cow in my coming out, but seriously people "Just wait".

I'm not saying anything about the Wii, I'm responding to you saying N64 was casual. It clearly wasn't. Apart from Mario Kart and Party what was casual about it.

I wont argue with you. But if the N64 wasn't casual, then neither is the Wii. Which is my point.

[QUOTE="samusarmada"].mstc_Q

Corruption does not contradict prime.

[QUOTE="VendettaRed07"]they were hardcore enough during the gamecube as far as im concernedSemiMaster

That is when they were at their hardest... and then the Wii came along and crapped all over Nintendo's reputation as being faithful to the core fanbase that made them what they were... not what they are now.

Nintendo had to expand their audience. did you not notice they were selling less and less systems every generation cause they were focusing on their core audience?

tut really despise this *hardcore gamer* title people give themselves, as if it makes you any more credibile than anyone else. bloody totalitarian approach, GAMES ARE FOR FUN

As long as the games fun, who cares if its hardcore or not? id be shocked if alot of people on here that consider themselves as hardcore can remember pre snes dayso0_L0st_B0y_0o

The funny thing is that the vast majority of people dissing the Wii are cows and lemmings. The same fanboys who then turn around and say that PC gaming is dying. Why do they diss a "casual" console but then want the most "hardcore" platform to die? Furthermore, why do they even consider themselves hardcore? The Xbox 360 and the PlayStation 3 are still consoles and thus casual. Plug n' Play.

[QUOTE="mstc_Q"]

samusarmada

Corruption does not contradict prime.

Funny enough, your Wii is compatible with Metroid Prime.

I think the real issue here is that nostalgia gamers aren't finding the same thrills they got when they first played their favorite series'.

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="mstc_Q"][QUOTE="locopatho"]

Mario 64, Banjo Kazooie, Banjo Tooie, DK64, Ocarina Of Time, Majora's Mask, Lylat Wars, Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Jet Force Gemini, F Zero X, Pilotwings 64. All made/published by Nintendo, all incredible single player experiences.

Trying to diss the N64, lol. Stick to the Wi.

mstc_Q

I've played all of those (except maybe DK64) and they're all just as hardcore as what's available right now on the Wii with Mario Galaxy and etc.

Not to mention, the N64 was out for 2 years before it saw its first Zelda iteration.

It might just be the cow in my coming out, but seriously people "Just wait".

I'm not saying anything about the Wii, I'm responding to you saying N64 was casual. It clearly wasn't. Apart from Mario Kart and Party what was casual about it.

I wont argue with you. But if the N64 wasn't casual, then neither is the Wii. Which is my point.

O right. Confusing thread lol.

[QUOTE="samusarmada"][QUOTE="mstc_Q"]

mstc_Q

Corruption does not contradict prime.

Funny enough, your Wii is compatible with Metroid Prime.

I think the real issue here is that nostalgia gamers aren't finding the same thrills they got when they first played their favorite series'.

It was a long wait between super metroid and metroid prime. The resurgence of such a niche series on the gamecube is a perfect example of how nintendo were certainly still maintaining a hardcore image during that era.

[QUOTE="mstc_Q"]

Funny enough, your Wii is compatible with Metroid Prime.

I think the real issue here is that nostalgia gamers aren't finding the same thrills they got when they first played their favorite series'.

samusarmada

It was a long wait between super metroid and metroid prime. The resurgence of such a niche series on the gamecube is a perfect example of how nintendo were certainly still maintaining a hardcore image during that era.

Well, maybe you won't be disapointed with the revival of Kid Icarus.

[QUOTE="o0_L0st_B0y_0o"]

tut really despise this *hardcore gamer* title people give themselves, as if it makes you any more credibile than anyone else. bloody totalitarian approach, GAMES ARE FOR FUN

As long as the games fun, who cares if its hardcore or not? id be shocked if alot of people on here that consider themselves as hardcore can remember pre snes daysHexagon_777

The funny thing is that the vast majority of people dissing the Wii are cows and lemmings. The same fanboys who then turn around and say that PC gaming is dying. Why do they diss a "casual" console but then want the most "hardcore" platform to die? Furthermore, why do they even consider themselves hardcore? The Xbox 360 and the PlayStation 3 are still consoles and thus casual. Plug n' Play.

b-b-b-but i am hardcore, i hate all things casual, import all my games and only play RPGS FPS and third person shooters all of which i play on my playstation 3 and xbox 360 *sigh* i really really hate the titles and think its this elitest attitude that will bring games market crumbling. Look what happened to nintendo only pleasing the core market?

[QUOTE="mstc_Q"][QUOTE="samusarmada"][QUOTE="mstc_Q"]

samusarmada

Corruption does not contradict prime.

Funny enough, your Wii is compatible with Metroid Prime.

I think the real issue here is that nostalgia gamers aren't finding the same thrills they got when they first played their favorite series'.

It was a long wait between super metroid and metroid prime. The resurgence of such a niche series on the gamecube is a perfect example of how nintendo were certainly still maintaining a hardcore image during that era.

they actually promoted the first prime also, it was sooo hyped up and delievered so awesomely

seriously they like didnt even talk about mp3 at all... they just didnt seem to care

[QUOTE="samusarmada"][QUOTE="mstc_Q"][QUOTE="samusarmada"][QUOTE="mstc_Q"]

VendettaRed07

Corruption does not contradict prime.

Funny enough, your Wii is compatible with Metroid Prime.

I think the real issue here is that nostalgia gamers aren't finding the same thrills they got when they first played their favorite series'.

It was a long wait between super metroid and metroid prime. The resurgence of such a niche series on the gamecube is a perfect example of how nintendo were certainly still maintaining a hardcore image during that era.

they actually promoted the first prime also, it was sooo hyped up and delievered so awesomely

seriously they like didnt even talk about mp3 at all... they just didnt seem to care

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"][QUOTE="o0_L0st_B0y_0o"]

tut really despise this *hardcore gamer* title people give themselves, as if it makes you any more credibile than anyone else. bloody totalitarian approach, GAMES ARE FOR FUN

As long as the games fun, who cares if its hardcore or not? id be shocked if alot of people on here that consider themselves as hardcore can remember pre snes dayso0_L0st_B0y_0o

The funny thing is that the vast majority of people dissing the Wii are cows and lemmings. The same fanboys who then turn around and say that PC gaming is dying. Why do they diss a "casual" console but then want the most "hardcore" platform to die? Furthermore, why do they even consider themselves hardcore? The Xbox 360 and the PlayStation 3 are still consoles and thus casual. Plug n' Play.

b-b-b-but i am hardcore, i hate all things casual, import all my games and only play RPGS FPS and third person shooters all of which i play on my playstation 3 and xbox 360 *sigh* i really really hate the titles and think its this elitest attitude that will bring games market crumbling. Look what happened to nintendo only pleasing the core market?

Exactly. It wasn't the "hardcore" that made Sony big the last 2 gens either.

[QUOTE="VendettaRed07"][QUOTE="samusarmada"]

It was a long wait between super metroid and metroid prime. The resurgence of such a niche series on the gamecube is a perfect example of how nintendo were certainly still maintaining a hardcore image during that era.

Shinobishyguy

they actually promoted the first prime also, it was sooo hyped up and delievered so awesomely

seriously they like didnt even talk about mp3 at all... they just didnt seem to care

Heh, plus, why did they have to hype the game? It became an established Nintendo franchise by then, and those things sell themselves.

[QUOTE="samusarmada"][QUOTE="mstc_Q"]

Funny enough, your Wii is compatible with Metroid Prime.

I think the real issue here is that nostalgia gamers aren't finding the same thrills they got when they first played their favorite series'.

mstc_Q

It was a long wait between super metroid and metroid prime. The resurgence of such a niche series on the gamecube is a perfect example of how nintendo were certainly still maintaining a hardcore image during that era.

Well, maybe you won't be disapointed with the revival of Kid Icarus.

I don't know much about the series so I dont care to be honest. If a new Kid Icarus is of a genre as different as metroid prime was wouldn't that make it a hardcore move anyway :?

I'm having trouble understanding your arument here to be honest.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="VendettaRed07"][QUOTE="samusarmada"]

It was a long wait between super metroid and metroid prime. The resurgence of such a niche series on the gamecube is a perfect example of how nintendo were certainly still maintaining a hardcore image during that era.

mstc_Q

they actually promoted the first prime also, it was sooo hyped up and delievered so awesomely

seriously they like didnt even talk about mp3 at all... they just didnt seem to care

Heh, plus, why did they have to hype the game? It became an established Nintendo franchise by then, and those things sell themselves.

True. That was my thinking behind the hype.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="VendettaRed07"][QUOTE="samusarmada"]

It was a long wait between super metroid and metroid prime. The resurgence of such a niche series on the gamecube is a perfect example of how nintendo were certainly still maintaining a hardcore image during that era.

mstc_Q

they actually promoted the first prime also, it was sooo hyped up and delievered so awesomely

seriously they like didnt even talk about mp3 at all... they just didnt seem to care

Heh, plus, why did they have to hype the game? It became an established Nintendo franchise by then, and those things sell themselves.

:/ thats a silly argument, really...

what if bungie didnt talk about halo at all? it would have sold nearly as well, and mp3 only sold like half as many copies as the first did

Wrong. They made plenty of great, hardcore games even through the gamecube era. It's when the wii was created, Nintendo died.Lemmywinks_360

[QUOTE="Lemmywinks_360"]Wrong. They made plenty of great, hardcore games even through the gamecube era. It's when the wii was created, Nintendo died.Shinobishyguy

They are a shell of their former self, and they basically said f u to the fanbase. So to answer your question, yes I'm going to ignore what ninty has done for the wii because the Ninty everyone knew and loved is dead. Fact- They survived the n64 and especially the gamecube era by the rabid fanbase, and now they don't even know the hardcore exist.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="Lemmywinks_360"]Wrong. They made plenty of great, hardcore games even through the gamecube era. It's when the wii was created, Nintendo died.Lemmywinks_360

They are a shell of their former self

[QUOTE="mstc_Q"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="VendettaRed07"][QUOTE="samusarmada"]

It was a long wait between super metroid and metroid prime. The resurgence of such a niche series on the gamecube is a perfect example of how nintendo were certainly still maintaining a hardcore image during that era.

VendettaRed07

they actually promoted the first prime also, it was sooo hyped up and delievered so awesomely

seriously they like didnt even talk about mp3 at all... they just didnt seem to care

Heh, plus, why did they have to hype the game? It became an established Nintendo franchise by then, and those things sell themselves.

:/ thats a silly argument, really...

what if bungie didnt talk about halo at all? it would have sold nearly as well, and mp3 only sold like half as many copies as the first did

Maybe nintendo thought the previous installments were enough to give the game some kind of pushing power.

Bleh, Nintendo hasn't been hardcore since the Hanafuda card days, it's been downhill ever since they got into all that electronic games BS.Dystopian-X

You officially rule. LOL