Nintendo haters are the ones blinded by nostalgia

People always accuse of Nintendo making the "same" game over and over and most of them have fond memories of the NES, SNES, and maybe N64. Most of them say Nintendo "used" to be good.

Reading this, what does it tell you? Nostalgia.

They refuse to see and play the new Nintendo games. Without really playing them they think right away it's the same game from the past. They deem people buying the new Nintendo games, controlled by nostalgia, when they themselves always think of the past Nintendo. How ironic.

Someone who isn't controlled by nostalgia but by familiarity will be open to the new Nintendo games and excited to find out what has evolved and what is new to the franchises. He wouldn't think much of the past games but see the new games by themselves in modern standards.

Just like OoT and SS. OoT may have had a great impact to a lot of people when it came out but to someone not blinded by nostalgia, SS or even TP surpasses it. OoT hasn't really aged well. I have just played OoT this gen for the very first time and although the game is great I do not find it to be breathtaking.

yeah. nintendo has a bunch of ip's, but ironically those who accuse nintendo of running on nostalgia only remember the nostalgiac franchises.

it's a weird thing to talk about eh? kind of circular. But I get what you mean. Nintendo has more than just Mario, it has Professor Layton and heaps of other franchises.

But I suppose the biggest brand power belongs to Mario, Link, et al.

All in all it's a very interesting argument and I neither agree nor disagree. I remember Charizard making a thread once where he named heaps of Nintendo franchises which were not mario, link, et al. But mario et al exist and nostalgia is probably a part of their appeal to some users.

Lordlors, I love reading your threads. Your doses of smartness, along with a few others, keep me coming back to this place.

You like playing nintendo games enough to spend 300 bucks on a dead system good for your buddy.

If he is playing Nintendo games on it, how is it a dead system, especially it what people want out of a Nintendo system.

Only delusional sheep would agree with this nonsensical and desperate thread. Just look at this guy... He thinks Professor Layton is a Nintendo IP... ^

This post raises an interesting point that I had never thought of before. I like this post.

A list of current and major console manufacturers. Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo.

On which consoles can one find the Professor Layton games?

Wikipedia has the answer: - Nintendo. Does any other console 'have' Professor Layton? The answer is no. What are you up to Gue1? Can I expect an apology from you?

Why would your words have any effect on me Gue1? You are a well known Playstation fanboy, whose bias has been demonstrated before. If you're upset about that, then perhaps you should behave in a less biased manner.

A sheep? Incorrect.

I too find it Ironic when Nintendo Bashers Bash Nintendo for not being Nintendo.

A link to the past was amazing, Ocarina of Time was amazing, about 12 years later i finally got around to buying a Wii and played Twilight Princess and liked it alot.....i had to force myself to beat Skyward Sword, it's not in the same league as those other games, it's in the same league as Pandora's Tower.

Good analysis lordlors. That's about right.

Oh my god, this thread is full of BS to DCing the fact one poster though Professor Layton was a Nintendo Ip.

@crimsonman1245: Not everything will be your cup of tea. Hell... you may even lose enthusiasm for their franchises in general even if you played through them so this analysis may be useless to some.

I think his stance on nostalgia is good if you stay relatively up to date on most of their games as opposed to just picking out the oldest game as the pinnacle and calling it a day just because you don't pick up any of the newer ones for whatever reason. It's fine to slack off a little on most franchises that go annually or haven't had such a large history, but I've always thought it silly to have that same train of thought on a franchise that normally goes from console to console (which admittedly aren't many aside from Ninty franchises).

Sorry kind of rambled, but yeah...

The problem for me is, that while these games will be good, they will only last 10-20 hours... and no your right, im not a completionist in platformers or zelda... I will do the FUN extras, but not all the grindy ones (E.G collect every single heart peice... WHY BOTHER.) then... the system collects dust for a year or 2 until the next one.

Nintendo games don't have staying power. I think the only example of a half decent online/competitive experience with the Wii was Mario Kart Wii.

Have they announced any multiplayer news for Smash Bros U yet? if its not up to par with the other consoles (Usernames, stats, rankings(even mario kart style) possibly matchmaking ... or at least a clean, tidy robust online experiance) I will not be buying a wii-u at all.

Oh sure... playing through the mario games with the girlfreind or when freinds come around to our place would be "fun" once or twice... but just not enough.

not enough for £250 + £50 for each extra wiimote + nunchuck... and then £40 nintendo games that never go down in value.

just no.

those people who hate Nintendo,

are still the ones that think graphics make a good game,

or call of duty gets better everytime after mw2

@Jakandsigz: A hiccup in that regard. It happens to the best of us. Not entirely sure what that has to do with lordlors analysis.

More to do that his whole post is a random assumption based more off people of this site then reality which is mostly the opposite. He also did not give a general category of WHAT they are hating. The whole company? The games? what just hating nintendo for hating nintendo? Make no sense.

@Jakandsigz: Well everything is a random assumption. Keep in mind that all we have here is a hive of gamers with opinions. Its the only logical sample until something more concrete that should be used comes up. If that is shown then we can question lordlors remark more accurately. Otherwise its all based on us.

Still don't understand what the error with Layton is all about. Just another pointless remark I guess.

Pointless remark? You are failing to defend the TC as the other guy did making mistakes. Like thinking that the same fanboyisms that have always been on this board is not a :"logical sample" it's not logical at all. Explain how it is? You are excluding conditions that can screw with results.

I don't understand what the problem is with what I said. I didn't say Professor Layton's intellectual property is owned by Nintendo, I said Nintendo 'has' Professor Layton.

Does Microsoft? No.

Does Sony? No.

In the context of this thread I'm not sure what the problem is. Nintendo have made the game available on their systems, and you can't get it on other systems.

And really I said what I said because it's an example that made sense based on the TC's OP.

If people aren't seeing beyond nostalgiac franchises like Mario and Zelda, chances are they aren't seeing Pokemon, Animal Crossing, Professor Layton - games like that which are also available only on Nintendo systems.

I see you making other threads. I would really appreciate a response from you Mr @Jakandsigz.

other way around the people who support nintendo are blinded by nostalga seriously how many mario games is gonna convince you. I've Havant been excited about a nintendo game since brawl and twilight princess (which is amazing BTW)

Dude this is a spin. You said it was a Nintenodo Franchise. That only applies to one thing in context. Saying in the context of this thread makes even less sense when

1.He was talking about nintendo Ips

2. IN YOUR POST YOU SAID "yeah. nintendo has a bunch of ip's, but ironically those who accuse nintendo of running on nostalgia only remember the nostalgiac franchises."

Nintendo has more than just Mario, it has Professor Layton

But I understand what you were TRYING to say, but you did not put it out correctly but I get what you are trying to say.

Great thread. I couldn't love the Wii, but I'm picking up a Wii U tax time next year and I'm going to catch up on some of the great games I missed on the Wii and play the great Wii U games that have been coming out.

I love nintendo. I loved the gamecube too, but I just couldn't like the Wii. I had a lot of fun playing RE4 with the Wii Mote and the Umbrella Chronicles. SMG was amazing. Virtual Console was my favorite part of the whole system. Should have kept the one I had, but I will be catching up with the Wii U.

The only thing that really upsets me is that I won't be able to redeem my old profile and the 30-40 or so VC games I bought while I had one.

EDIT: After reading that again I realize maybe I did really enjoy the Wii.. :O

Tell me something, what is your favourite genre? What's the type of games you enjoy? Ever wonder why Mario survived for so long while other IPs in Mario's time fizzled out?

There is a good reason why Mario and Zelda is still around, and it's not because of nostalgia.

First of all - thanks for responding. Secondly I'm glad you understood what I was trying to say. Thirdly, Yes, in hindsight I could have constructed the sentences better, making it quite clear that Nintendo has access to a bunch of games you can't get on other platforms - like Professor Layton.

I never said Professor Layton was a Nintendo intellectual property, and I would never have said that, because I know it's not true. I don't need to spin anything other than the implications of readers. But let's take your side here because it is more technically correct - if I'd written this more correctly, then there would be no possibility for implications. So you are right.

I guess this is the most confusing point for me. Check this out:

Notwithstanding the 'ownership' of the professor layton IP ... Which is the only console manufacturer on which these Prof. Layton games are found? Nintendo.

So ... even if I had made a completely wrong statement like "Professor Layton IP belongs to Iwata-san", it's still one of those 'new Nintendo games' that is largely forgotten about by the anti-Nintendo squad.

And why is it forgotten about? Probably because it's in Mario's shadow.

When I was a kid I bought a dreamcast and it was great but it died before it's time due to lack of sales. It was tough to invest all that money in a platform and see it die. The reality is that Nintendo invested money in developing that wii u platform. Also it takes money to make games. It takes money to produce consoles. It takes money to run the online gaming platform/store ect.

Nintendo needs to move consoles and software to recoop that money. If the hardware is not selling the biz model breaks down and the system is not viable. I am pretty sure Nintendo thought worse case in a year they would have a 5 million console lead on the next gen consoles. They also had projected sales based on the numbers and invested money in games and software based on those numbers. Right now Nintendo is bleeding money. At last count Nintendo had just over 3 million consoles shipped. They maybe up to 3.5 million after the price drop and game bundles.

If Nintendo does not do good this holiday season the platform is dead. No major game developers will want to invest money on a platform with a tiny install base.

@lordlors: Skyward Sword did NOT Surpass OoT at all... I'm not blinded by nostalgia, I just hated all the padded puzzles and Fi for me to enjoy the game.

Ninty haters really don't udnerstand how much changes between installments in their big franchises. That's all I have to say.

@FireEmblem_Man: Yeah SS is the worst 3D Zelda. The pacing was awful between dungeons and it squandered the overworld. It still had some awesome ideas though, ones that I'd like to see refined in future installments.

Everyone i know that owns a Wii hasnt played it in like 4 years. That to me says enough

DS and 3ds on the other hand is a whole different enterprise

To be honest Im buying a Wii U when they release a new Zelda, and not a Zelda HD remake either.

Nintendopologists refuse to accept the notion that Nintendo is fully capable of not living up to their brand name.

I have played enough of Nintendo's titles over the past decade. And sure the Galaxy? fucking amazing. But that doesn't mean that I imagined the uninspired nature of the new super mario bros games. I didn't imagine the padding, the poor controls, the slaves to tradition experience that was Skyward Sword, the poor drawn out opening of Twilight Princess, the fetch quests, the lack of anything meaningful and fresh done with the Zelda series. I did not imagine Other M being the mess of a Metroid game that was, or how Metroid Prime 3 streamlined Metroid Prime to the point of turning it into a straight up FPS. It may have had Metroid Prime flavoring everywhere.

Nor have I imagined that Mario kart is still very much a rubber band AI series, that's saving grace in recent years is features and it being on a handheld. Nor did I make up the notion that Brawl was a shallower game than Melee, that had balancing issues, a messy netcode, and oh yeah tripping.

I don't think anyone is against the notion that when Nintendo hits it out of the park, they really hit it out of the park. Few devs if any can compete with Nintendo on their A game, but they've been living up to their A game rarely. More often than not they've regressed with some of their franchises, if not out right throwing out some substantially boring duds.

But clearly having a criticism of anything Nintendo does, must clearly mean that you hate them.

Champ, you really got to play Mario and Luigi SuperStar Saga sometime. One of the masterpieces of gaming and truly a 10/10 from me.

Or maybe people had a Wii and didn't like it ? i mean how many units did it sold again ? like 120 million...1 + 1 = 2 my friend. Gamespot is not the world.. in fact is probably the most incorrect significant view of anything community wise. Look at how many people buy the 3DS but won't touch the Nintendo console.. it has nothing to do with nostalgia. They're really can't be considered a proper video game console. Nintendo itself it's sinking it's own consoles just depending on mario and Zelda.. look how long has it been sinse the last Metroid game, and it wasn't even from them vs the Last Mario game... or Zelda.. hell a Zelda and mario just recently came out.

interesting thesis

or maybe they are just outright close minded to nintendo and just give the stock criticism for all anti-nintendo stuff

I can think of a lot of posters who tend to support the idea that "older Nintendo games were better" and rarely if ever do they talk about playing anything from new Nintendo. And when they do, they just write it off or try to justify why the older are better despite being more technically limited.

It always amuses me how people will bash Nintendo for making the same game over and over, then turn around and by 4 Gears of War games, 4 Halos, 6 Assassins Creeds and 8 CoDs in a single generation without batting an eye.

Honestly, based on what I'm seeing, I agree. I mean, I have no problem with criticism, but it's hilarious how people hate the company for sticking to their main IP's and not caring about powerful hardware, and yet go back and ramble on how Nintendo were gods in the NES/SNES era.

Great post.

This, the "oh another Mario" argument is hilarious. There is 1, maybe 2 3d Marios, Zeldas, or any nintendo franchise per generation.

This same people buy CoD and AC every year....

Not to mention that the changes from Mario to Mario or Zelda to Zelda are way greater than what CoD, AC, Gears or most of the franchises do...

I wouldn't say Nintendo is dead to me, but they definitely need better marketing, and to catch up with Sony and Microsoft. I plan on getting a Wii U, but that honestly won't be for a good 2-3 years.

Nostalgia? No not really.

Its just simply a fact Nintendo has been jerking off the same franchises over and over and over again with sequels, spinoffs and re-releases. The only original ideas they have had in a decade were wii music and steel diver.

Look at new super Mario wiiu for instance. Its the exact same game, same play style and same art style as new super Mario wii, new super Mario 1, and new super Mario 2. And of course you have new luigi wiiu. All of those games are still based on the same like 25+ year old Mario formula.

Pokémon hasn't changed a single bit aside from better graphics and it always has the same annual pokemon dungeon spinoff.

The new wiiu game donkey kong country freeze is the same as all the other donkey kong country games.

Smash bros is still the same game.

Mario kart has what like 8 or 9 entries that are still the same thing.

And so on. Mario, Zelda, Metroid, pokemon, donkey kong, Kirby, its always the same franchise names over and over again. Hell even the wiiu's biggest game this year was windwaker which is just a remake of a 10 year old game that's not even in the top 5 best Zelda games.

So a lot of Nintendo fans aren't nostalgia for old Nintendo games because were still playing the exact same old Nintendo games as we have been for decades now. They reminisce about the old nes and snes days because back then the games were and exciting, they were fresh and original because they were still new to us but now we harken back to those days because that was a period of time before the games were rehashed for the 87th time.

I mean no one likes the new die hard movies. The last couple were god awful and most die hard fans always go back to the first one as being the best, its not that they are nostalgic, its just the series has been bled so damn dry that the only good thing about is the original. Its the exact same thing with Nintendo games.

So you can whine and complain and try to sound insightful and savvy all you want in a attempt to try and tell me Im wrong but you wont change my opinion. I don't hate Nintendo, but I do not enjoy their games anymore because they are stale and worn out. They have absolutely no original ideas at all anymore and can not actually create something.

Stop, the wii-u is a worse P.O.S then the Xblah

Remind me again, how many Mario games have their been? How many pokemon games? How many Metroid games?

Then remind me again, how many new IP's have Nintendo created in the last 2 generations?

If you don't understand why the situations are different then you are playing dumb. Nintendo is the only "large" developer for their consoles. If they put out the same thing over and over the effect is felt more there than on another console. If someone doesn't want to buy 4 halos on the 360 they have other options, while on Nintendo consoles they are only limited to Nintendo's output for the most part. This is why they, above all, are more criticized for putting on rehash after rehash. Right now Nintendo has thrown out three Mario games, DK, rehashed party and fitness games, a HD remake and Pikmin, do you consider that acceptable from the Wii U's primary game supplier? Four platformers, three from the same franchise, rehashed party and fitness games, a remake and a pikmin sequel.

How dumb. LOL

I played Super Mario Bros. U in 1985. Need I say more?

Your opinion is correct and everything of this post is valid.

No, you didn't.