Nintendo is a tough competitor

Whether your a 360, Wii, or PS3 fan, one thing is for sure - Nintendo has beat the pants off of the competition this time around. They have captured basically 50% of the world's installed base with the Wii, leaving MS and Sony to fight over the other half. By any standard in business, that is unbelievable.

If you read between the lines of the MS and Sony press conferences, you can see they realize what is going on. Both are structuring their next big advancements in response to the Wii. I think it will be real interesting to see the innovations to come. If you're a gaming fan, Nintendo did you a favor by pushing the market in a new direction. Can Nintendo hang on and continue to dominate in market share? We'll see, but for now, they're the one to beat.

Their push on the casual market has helped them immensely; but I fear that if they keep stressing that market, it will backfire.

Their push on the casual market has helped them immensely; but I fear that if they keep stressing that market, it will backfire.

Dragonblade01

Casual gaming is taking over and all 360 and PS3 fans do fight over petty stuff. :cry:

no, i imagine that next gen we will have 3 motion sensing consoles, in all three it will be optional, and nintendo's sour relationships with third parties will catch up to it once againGunSmith1_basic

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Their push on the casual market has helped them immensely; but I fear that if they keep stressing that market, it will backfire.

SamusTehSexxy

From what I know about "casual" gamers, they eventually go one of two ways. One, they become closer to "core" gamers; or two, they simply lose interest. A select few will still be satisfied with the more "casual" game titles, but Nintendo needs to be able to shift back to the "core" demographic when they need to. I personally think that they could do it; they just need to do it at the right time.

Remember, profits are ephemeral. The amount that they have already made doesn't hold much weight against what they are going to make.

In relation to this topic, people have been saying that Microsoft and Sony have really showed Nintendo for launching their own superior motion controllers. But they were just responding to something that Nintendo did almost 3 years ago. Meanwhile, Nintendo is hard at work developing their tech so they could respond back with something even better if they ever feel that Microsoft or Sony are taking some of their market share away.

[QUOTE="SamusTehSexxy"][QUOTE="Dragonblade01"]

Their push on the casual market has helped them immensely; but I fear that if they keep stressing that market, it will backfire.

Dragonblade01

From what I know about "casual" gamers, they eventually go one of two ways. One, they become closer to "core" gamers; or two, they simply lose interest. A select few will still be satisfied with the more "casual" game titles, but Nintendo needs to be able to shift back to the "core" demographic when they need to. I personally think that they could do it; they just need to do it at the right time.

Remember, profits are ephemeral. The amount that they have already made doesn't hold much weight against what they are going to make.

I think your example may be a bit of a stretch, but if true, you do realize that there are little kids being born every day and 4 year olds become 5, then 6... In five years, they will have a fresh new group of kids to appeal to. As long as they have Mario and Zelda, Nintendo will be around. That is for sure. Even a relative failure such as the N64, me and my friends played it to death. You take Goldeneye, OoT, Mario Kart, and Super mario 64, thats enough great games to last through your childhood. Im not really into the Wii, but if I was 9 Im sure I would LOVE it. Also, the DS has some really good games.

THey sure have immense sales success this time around, a clear sales winner.

Unfortunately there's a flip side to that coin. Whereas in the past the sales leader was also the AAA and AA leader this time the opposite is true. Nintendo has dominated in sales but is in last place in AAA and AA count. So, it's not all good news.

THey sure have immense sales success this time around, a clear sales winner.

Unfortunately there's a flip side to that coin. Whereas in the past the sales leader was also the AAA and AA leader this time the opposite is true. Nintendo has dominated in sales but is in last place in AAA and AA count. So, it's not all good news.

RuprechtMonkey

This is true as well. Though it may not matter since it is a "casual" system. People probably are not rushing out to buy a game every month. Everyone probably has the same 5-10 that are proven winners. That should be enough.

THey sure have immense sales success this time around, a clear sales winner.

Unfortunately there's a flip side to that coin. Whereas in the past the sales leader was also the AAA and AA leader this time the opposite is true. Nintendo has dominated in sales but is in last place in AAA and AA count. So, it's not all good news.

RuprechtMonkey

THey sure have immense sales success this time around, a clear sales winner.

Unfortunately there's a flip side to that coin. Whereas in the past the sales leader was also the AAA and AA leader this time the opposite is true. Nintendo has dominated in sales but is in last place in AAA and AA count. So, it's not all good news.

RuprechtMonkey

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THey sure have immense sales success this time around, a clear sales winner.

Unfortunately there's a flip side to that coin. Whereas in the past the sales leader was also the AAA and AA leader this time the opposite is true. Nintendo has dominated in sales but is in last place in AAA and AA count. So, it's not all good news.

SamusTehSexxy

Shovelware games don't matter. I don't care about the shovelware games.

THe PS2 had LOADS of shovelware games, nobody cared though because it had such a tremendous amount of AAA caliber games that rendered them irrelevant to the average gamer. That's precisely the Wii's problem - it doesn't have that huge amount of killer games, because of this void combined with the fact that the Wii is #1 in sales causes people to focus on the shovelware games as a way to point out its lopsided library (namely, the lack of the amount of AAA and AA games historically associated with the highest selling console.)

And honestly, in my opinion 7 is a very fair score for Wii Sports. For me it was pretty average, I played it several times with my friends and just kind of got bored of it, we went back to other, more in-depthmultiplayer games very quickly.

[QUOTE="SamusTehSexxy"][QUOTE="RuprechtMonkey"]

THey sure have immense sales success this time around, a clear sales winner.

Unfortunately there's a flip side to that coin. Whereas in the past the sales leader was also the AAA and AA leader this time the opposite is true. Nintendo has dominated in sales but is in last place in AAA and AA count. So, it's not all good news.

RuprechtMonkey

Shovelware games don't matter. I don't care about the shovelware games.

THe PS2 had LOADS of shovelware games, nobody cared though because it had such a tremendous amount of AAA caliber games that rendered them irrelevant to the average gamer. That's precisely the Wii's problem - it doesn't have that huge amount of killer games, because of this void combined with the fact that the Wii is #1 in sales causes people to focus on the shovelware games as a way to point out its lopsided library (namely, the lack of the amount of AAA and AA games historically associated with the highest selling console.)

And honestly, in my opinion 7 is a very fair score for Wii Sports. For me it was pretty average, I played it several times with my friends and just kind of got bored of it, we went back to other, more in-depthmultiplayer games very quickly.

The thing with nintendo is that companies ALWAYS fall into their traps.
You should never ever try to outnintendo nintendo.

Can i just first congraduate the people in this thread? Theres no ZOMG WII SUCKS ITS JUST WAGGLE or anything like that and that everyone is looking at it seriously.

The 360 and PS3 launched with some pretty bg third party companies behind them, alot of these companies dropped out of Nintendo when they saw the Wii. The Wii launched a sucessful new technology but has been struggling for software, its only recently where the Wii has been recieving a steady flow of quality software with a good line up for the next two years.

Mean while the 360 and PS3 had the line up of next gen games but they were in awe struck out of nintendo's sucess to move innovation in game controller. The 360 and PS3 fans defended this position as the companies being "loyal" to hardcore gamers, which of course was incredibly wrong. Even those two companies could see that the innovative controller was a push in gaming and they needed to jump on the band wagon.

Even as this was happening fanboys still defended the position of "loyal" companies and the "real" controller (Current 360 and PS3 controllers) but slowly, some of them gave games such as Wii Sports a try and found it fun. And thats what came down to it in the end, what was fun. This anti-innovation movement pushed by 360 and PS3 fans started to decline and companies began to understand the Wii.

Now we come to 2009 where the other two companies show off their new innovation, most fans of all three systems are ready for it and its clear now that the gaming industry is fully ready to move into player to game innovation. These next few years will be interesting as they lead up to the next generation of consoles, we are really going to see a revolution in gaming.

Can i just first congraduate the people in this thread? Theres no ZOMG WII SUCKS ITS JUST WAGGLE or anything like that and that everyone is looking at it seriously.

The 360 and PS3 launched with some pretty bg third party companies behind them, alot of these companies dropped out of Nintendo when they saw the Wii. The Wii launched a sucessful new technology but has been struggling for software, its only recently where the Wii has been recieving a steady flow of quality software with a good line up for the next two years.

Mean while the 360 and PS3 had the line up of next gen games but they were in awe struck out of nintendo's sucess to move innovation in game controller. The 360 and PS3 fans defended this position as the companies being "loyal" to hardcore gamers, which of course was incredibly wrong. Even those two companies could see that the innovative controller was a push in gaming and they needed to jump on the band wagon.

Even as this was happening fanboys still defended the position of "loyal" companies and the "real" controller (Current 360 and PS3 controllers) but slowly, some of them gave games such as Wii Sports a try and found it fun. And thats what came down to it in the end, what was fun. This anti-innovation movement pushed by 360 and PS3 fans started to decline and companies began to understand the Wii.

Now we come to 2009 where the other two companies show off their new innovation, most fans of all three systems are ready for it and its clear now that the gaming industry is fully ready to move into player to game innovation. These next few years will be interesting as they lead up to the next generation of consoles, we are really going to see a revolution in gaming.

radicalplace

[QUOTE="SamusTehSexxy"][QUOTE="RuprechtMonkey"]

THey sure have immense sales success this time around, a clear sales winner.

Unfortunately there's a flip side to that coin. Whereas in the past the sales leader was also the AAA and AA leader this time the opposite is true. Nintendo has dominated in sales but is in last place in AAA and AA count. So, it's not all good news.

RuprechtMonkey

Shovelware games don't matter. I don't care about the shovelware games.

THe PS2 had LOADS of shovelware games, nobody cared though because it had such a tremendous amount of AAA caliber games that rendered them irrelevant to the average gamer. That's precisely the Wii's problem - it doesn't have that huge amount of killer games, because of this void combined with the fact that the Wii is #1 in sales causes people to focus on the shovelware games as a way to point out its lopsided library (namely, the lack of the amount of AAA and AA games historically associated with the highest selling console.)

And honestly, in my opinion 7 is a very fair score for Wii Sports. For me it was pretty average, I played it several times with my friends and just kind of got bored of it, we went back to other, more in-depthmultiplayer games very quickly.

You are getting confused. Nintendo doesn't care if YOU don't care about Wii sports. Many people LOVE that stuff. When the Wii came out, thats all anyone would talk about. Kids can play it, guys play it with friends while drinking before a night out, my mom said even some of her friends play it (I found that a little weird). If you are more into halo or MGS, great so am I. But people like these games. They also have Mario and Zelda which can go toe to toe with any franchise Sony or Microsoft has. They are not trying to appeal to you, they have their own crowd and apparently its a pretty large one.

Can i just first congraduate the people in this thread? Theres no ZOMG WII SUCKS ITS JUST WAGGLE or anything like that and that everyone is looking at it seriously.

The 360 and PS3 launched with some pretty bg third party companies behind them, alot of these companies dropped out of Nintendo when they saw the Wii. The Wii launched a sucessful new technology but has been struggling for software, its only recently where the Wii has been recieving a steady flow of quality software with a good line up for the next two years.

Mean while the 360 and PS3 had the line up of next gen games but they were in awe struck out of nintendo's sucess to move innovation in game controller. The 360 and PS3 fans defended this position as the companies being "loyal" to hardcore gamers, which of course was incredibly wrong. Even those two companies could see that the innovative controller was a push in gaming and they needed to jump on the band wagon.

Even as this was happening fanboys still defended the position of "loyal" companies and the "real" controller (Current 360 and PS3 controllers) but slowly, some of them gave games such as Wii Sports a try and found it fun. And thats what came down to it in the end, what was fun. This anti-innovation movement pushed by 360 and PS3 fans started to decline and companies began to understand the Wii.

Now we come to 2009 where the other two companies show off their new innovation, most fans of all three systems are ready for it and its clear now that the gaming industry is fully ready to move into player to game innovation. These next few years will be interesting as they lead up to the next generation of consoles, we are really going to see a revolution in gaming.

Can i just first congraduate the people in this thread? Theres no ZOMG WII SUCKS ITS JUST WAGGLE or anything like that and that everyone is looking at it seriously.

The 360 and PS3 launched with some pretty bg third party companies behind them, alot of these companies dropped out of Nintendo when they saw the Wii. The Wii launched a sucessful new technology but has been struggling for software, its only recently where the Wii has been recieving a steady flow of quality software with a good line up for the next two years.

Mean while the 360 and PS3 had the line up of next gen games but they were in awe struck out of nintendo's sucess to move innovation in game controller. The 360 and PS3 fans defended this position as the companies being "loyal" to hardcore gamers, which of course was incredibly wrong. Even those two companies could see that the innovative controller was a push in gaming and they needed to jump on the band wagon.

Even as this was happening fanboys still defended the position of "loyal" companies and the "real" controller (Current 360 and PS3 controllers) but slowly, some of them gave games such as Wii Sports a try and found it fun. And thats what came down to it in the end, what was fun. This anti-innovation movement pushed by 360 and PS3 fans started to decline and companies began to understand the Wii.

Now we come to 2009 where the other two companies show off their new innovation, most fans of all three systems are ready for it and its clear now that the gaming industry is fully ready to move into player to game innovation. These next few years will be interesting as they lead up to the next generation of consoles, we are really going to see a revolution in gaming.

As someone else said, I really appreciate the lack of stupid comments, insults, and other nonsense in this thread. I think the current system war has helped gaming and is a great example of how we benefit from competition in the market. I guarantee you that MS, Sony and Nintendo are working tirelessly to come up with the next breakthrough. Some of the ideas will be gimmicks and duds, but some will surely be great and keep gaming fresh for all of us.

As a side note, here is my take on the motion control solutions each company presented.

The MS motion sensing project (I forgot the name) seems really cool, but somewhat of a stretch. If it works well, it can be great. Sony has their version which seems like a desperate attempt to combat the Wii. Nintendo has the upgrade appliance for precision motion control which frankly seems like a tack on gimmick - maybe not, but we'll see. Why couldn't the original controller do that?