All it really took was Nintendo releasing a console with powerful enough graphics and all of a sudden the WiiU is getting bigger third party games than any Nintendo console has gotten since the SNES. Everybody loves the industry leader. Remember that Kiddo's. Wii U is gonna own Even MS and Sony are now copying them with Kinect and Sony execs saying the PS4 won't be that much more powerful than PS3 and aimed at women.
I still doubt it's gonna get as much 3rd party support as the other consoles. Nintendo has always struggled with 3rd parties.
Demonjoe93
But in the past Nintendo tried to do things themselves.
This time they are actually asking 3rd Parties what they want and building the system around it.
Also they should get a lot of support they have a system that is easy to to make games for because it is easy to take games from the PC and put it on the Wii U without that much effort.
I still doubt it's gonna get as much 3rd party support as the other consoles. Nintendo has always struggled with 3rd parties.
Demonjoe93
Doubt all you want but the games announced at E3 alone suggest all the big publishers are backing it. Not only that but it looks like it's going to get the definitive versions of the multiplat games both on graphics and functionality. Look at Ninja Gaiden 3 for instance or the new Aliens game.
I still doubt it's gonna get as much 3rd party support as the other consoles. Nintendo has always struggled with 3rd parties.
biggotorium
Doubt all you want but the games announced at E3 alone suggest all the big publishers are backing it. Not only that but it looks like it's going to get the definitive versions of the multiplat games both on graphics and functionality. Look at Ninja Gaiden 3 for instance or the new Aliens game.
Yes it will get the multiplats that the 360 and the PS3 get, but it will still struggle to get exclusive 3rd party games because Nintendo is still gonna develop a lot of their own games, something that Sony and Microsoft don't do.
I still doubt it's gonna get as much 3rd party support as the other consoles. Nintendo has always struggled with 3rd parties.
Demonjoe93
Doubt all you want but the games announced at E3 alone suggest all the big publishers are backing it. Not only that but it looks like it's going to get the definitive versions of the multiplat games both on graphics and functionality. Look at Ninja Gaiden 3 for instance or the new Aliens game.
Yes it will get the multiplats that the 360 and the PS3 get, but it will still struggle to get exclusive 3rd party games because Nintendo is still gonna develop a lot of their own games, something that Sony and Microsoft don't do.
You say that as though the PS3 and 360 get a ton of 3rd party exclusives..? Most 3rd parties are multiplat now because of rising deveopment costs, the Wii at least was getting UNIQUE third party games and not the same rehashed shooters over and over
Until Microsoft and Sony show off their new tech and Nintendo gets ditched again.
Phoenix534
Yeah I wouldn't exactly be banking on that when MS has gone the way of Kinect, Sony Execs are saying the PS4 won't be much more powerful than the PS3 and aimed at women, and both consoles aren't expected to be seen for years.
[QUOTE="biggotorium"]all of a sudden the WiiU is getting bigger third party games.shinrabanshou
Like what exactly?BF3. Ghost Recon, Assassins Creed, Tekken, Aliens, NG 3, Darksiders, Batman Arkum City, partners with EA (expect COD), Cry engine coming over, Valave on board, and that's just off the top of my head and from the E3 demo reel. That basically means all the big third party titles are going to be coming. Wii never got games like that at any point.
Until Microsoft and Sony show off their new tech and Nintendo gets ditched again.
biggotorium
Yeah I wouldn't exactly be banking on that when MS has gone the way of Kinect, Sony Execs are saying the PS4 won't be much more powerful than the PS3 and aimed at women, and both consoles aren't expected to be seen for years.
Until Microsoft and Sony show off their new tech and Nintendo gets ditched again.
eboyishere
Yeah I wouldn't exactly be banking on that when MS has gone the way of Kinect, Sony Execs are saying the PS4 won't be much more powerful than the PS3 and aimed at women, and both consoles aren't expected to be seen for years.
2-3 years? and then ninty will be pushed out
By what? The underpowered PS4 which will be aimed at women? Or is the Kinect720? All we can say right now is that 3rd party support is back to Nintendo platforms, your talk of the future is specualation, expecially considering MS and Sony both look to be taking the casual route.
Until Microsoft and Sony show off their new tech and Nintendo gets ditched again.
biggotorium
Yeah I wouldn't exactly be banking on that when MS has gone the way of Kinect, Sony Execs are saying the PS4 won't be much more powerful than the PS3 and aimed at women, and both consoles aren't expected to be seen for years.
Every company says that. If they said they were making a new console now, no one would by the PS3 or 360 anymore. It's elementary business: don't announce a product to early.
[QUOTE="biggotorium"]all of a sudden the WiiU is getting bigger third party games.biggotorium
Like what exactly?BF3. Ghost Recon, Assassins Creed, Tekken, Aliens, NG 3, Darksiders, Batman Arkum City, partners with EA, Cry engine coming over, Valave on board, and that's just off the top of my head and from the E3 demo reel. That basically means all the big third party titles are going to be coming. Wii never got games like that at any point.They contacted Kojima to make a game for the Wii U and they are trying to decide if they should put Metal Gear Solid on the Wii U.
Until Microsoft and Sony show off their new tech and Nintendo gets ditched again.
Phoenix534
Yeah I wouldn't exactly be banking on that when MS has gone the way of Kinect, Sony Execs are saying the PS4 won't be much more powerful than the PS3 and aimed at women, and both consoles aren't expected to be seen for years.
Every company says that. If they said they were making a new console now, no one would by the PS3 or 360 anymore. It's elementary business: don't announce a product to early.
That's not what I was reffering to, I was commenting on the part about them saying the Ps4 wouldn't be much more powerful than the Ps3 and that it would be aimed at women.
3rd party games did pretty bad on the wii, and that was the sale domininate console.
Wiiu looks like its going to be the N64 all over again. (will sell but won't be #1)
dercoo
What? lol The reason 3rd party titles did bad on Wii is because it never got any big mainline third party titles. It got spinoffs and garbage because its graphics were too weak and third parties didn't want to make games for the Wiimote. Many big mainline thir party titles have already been announced for Wii U.
Until Microsoft and Sony show off their new tech and Nintendo gets ditched again.
InfinityMugen
There are a number of gamers who would ditch Microsoft and Sony if Nintendo has the same level of 3rd party support.I might ditch Sony if they got the same 3rd Party support. But I might not because I still like their 1st Party titles. But I still wouldn't purchase 3rd Party games on the Sony Console unless it was the definitive version.
I still doubt it's gonna get as much 3rd party support as the other consoles. Nintendo has always struggled with 3rd parties.
Demonjoe93
Doubt all you want but the games announced at E3 alone suggest all the big publishers are backing it. Not only that but it looks like it's going to get the definitive versions of the multiplat games both on graphics and functionality. Look at Ninja Gaiden 3 for instance or the new Aliens game.
Yes it will get the multiplats that the 360 and the PS3 get, but it will still struggle to get exclusive 3rd party games because Nintendo is still gonna develop a lot of their own games, something that Sony and Microsoft don't do.
What is this "third party exclusive" you speak of? I thought those were just about extinct.
[QUOTE="biggotorium"]all of a sudden the WiiU is getting bigger third party games.biggotorium
Like what exactly?BF3. Ghost Recon, Assassins Creed, Tekken, Aliens, NG 3, Darksiders, Batman Arkum City, partners with EA (expect COD), Cry engine coming over, Valave on board, and that's just off the top of my head and from the E3 demo reel. That basically means all the big third party titles are going to be coming. Wii never got games like that at any point.So... multiplats? Yeah, that doesn't mean third parties love Nintendo again, nor that they ever did. Third parties and Nintendo have always traditionally had a strange sometimes fractious relationship including the SNES days.
[QUOTE="biggotorium"]Doubt all you want but the games announced at E3 alone suggest all the big publishers are backing it. Not only that but it looks like it's going to get the definitive versions of the multiplat games both on graphics and functionality. Look at Ninja Gaiden 3 for instance or the new Aliens game.PurpleMan5000
Yes it will get the multiplats that the 360 and the PS3 get, but it will still struggle to get exclusive 3rd party games because Nintendo is still gonna develop a lot of their own games, something that Sony and Microsoft don't do.
What is this "third party exclusive" you speak of? I thought those were just about extinct.It already has some 3rd Party exclusives lined up like Tekken "Wii Successor", Ninja Gaiden 3 (Working Title) It is an exclusive version of the same game It will have some things different.
No More Heroes 3 is basically confirmed for the Wii U because Suda 51 said the new games are exclusive to Nintendo systems then a few years after it is made they port it with a different title.
[QUOTE="biggotorium"][QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]Like what exactly?
shinrabanshou
BF3. Ghost Recon, Assassins Creed, Tekken, Aliens, NG 3, Darksiders, Batman Arkum City, partners with EA (expect COD), Cry engine coming over, Valave on board, and that's just off the top of my head and from the E3 demo reel. That basically means all the big third party titles are going to be coming. Wii never got games like that at any point.So... multiplats? Yeah, that doesn't mean third parties love Nintendo again, nor that they ever did. Third parties and Nintendo have always traditionally had a strange sometimes fractious relationship including the SNES days. The Wii has more 3rd party exclusives than the PS3 and Xbox 360, so I'm not sure why you would discredit multiplats.
[QUOTE="biggotorium"]BF3. Ghost Recon, Assassins Creed, Tekken, Aliens, NG 3, Darksiders, Batman Arkum City, partners with EA (expect COD), Cry engine coming over, Valave on board, and that's just off the top of my head and from the E3 demo reel. That basically means all the big third party titles are going to be coming. Wii never got games like that at any point.PurpleMan5000
So... multiplats? Yeah, that doesn't mean third parties love Nintendo again, nor that they ever did. Third parties and Nintendo have always traditionally had a strange sometimes fractious relationship including the SNES days. The Wii has more 3rd party exclusives than the PS3 and Xbox 360, so I'm not sure why you would discredit multiplats.I'm discrediting the notion that third parties are having a lovefest with Nintendo now. Publishers will go where they think the money is and the Wii U is a step in the right direction, but problems with third parties have historically run a lot deeper than just not having equivalent power.
Third parties didn't "love the industry leader" during the NES/SNES era, because they were draconian with ridiculous rules, and they didn't love the industry leader this gen, because despite a huge hardware installed based advantage their software didn't sell comparatively well.
Until Microsoft and Sony show off their new tech and Nintendo gets ditched again.
Nintendo_Ownes7
There are a number of gamers who would ditch Microsoft and Sony if Nintendo has the same level of 3rd party support.I might ditch Sony if they got the same 3rd Party support. But I might not because I still like their 1st Party titles. But I still wouldn't purchase 3rd Party games on the Sony Console unless it was the definitive version. I hear you and that's understandable. I'd wait to see if Sony can carry over it's 1st party to next generation successfully. Im just really tired of the console fragmentation we have today.
[QUOTE="PurpleMan5000"][QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]So... multiplats? Yeah, that doesn't mean third parties love Nintendo again, nor that they ever did. Third parties and Nintendo have always traditionally had a strange sometimes fractious relationship including the SNES days.
shinrabanshou
The Wii has more 3rd party exclusives than the PS3 and Xbox 360, so I'm not sure why you would discredit multiplats.I'm discrediting the notion that third parties are having a lovefest with Nintendo now. Publishers will go where they think the money is and the Wii U is a step in the right direction, but problems with third parties have historically run a lot deeper than just not having equivalent power.
Third parties didn't "love the industry leader" during the NES/SNES era, because they were draconian with ridiculous rules, and they didn't love the industry leader this gen, because despite a huge hardware installed based advantage their software didn't sell comparatively well.
What software? You mean the numerous ports and spinoffs? Also a niche game isn't going to do gangbusters even if you have it on a the best selling console. Games like Okami and Godhand werent million sellers on PS2 either. When games like Portal 2 and MvC3 are available on a Nintendo platform then we can talk about good 3rd party software not selling. Developers probably didn't "love" NES/SNES but if you wanted to make money, you made games for those platforms.
I think the Wii U has the potential to win next gen. If it launches early and gets a good headstart it will be hard to catch up.
Phoenix534
It has Wii in it's name. The chances of it not winning are low.
Brand recognition is important but that alone isn't a guarantee for success. If Nintendo is serious about 3rd parties and being the market leader next generation, they have to hustle like they've never hustled before.
I think the Wii U has the potential to win next gen. If it launches early and gets a good headstart it will be hard to catch up.
Sword-Demon
It has Wii in it's name. The chances of it not winning are low.
unless the casuals don't see the need to upgrade from the wii. they're not likely to care so much about the improved specs
They'll likely get a new system when the system they're using is no longer supported. And I also don't see next gen breaking the mold of the weaker platform beating the more powerful systems.
Until Microsoft and Sony show off their new tech and Nintendo gets ditched again.
eboyishere
Yeah I wouldn't exactly be banking on that when MS has gone the way of Kinect, Sony Execs are saying the PS4 won't be much more powerful than the PS3 and aimed at women, and both consoles aren't expected to be seen for years.
2-3 years? and then ninty will be pushed out
By that time Wii U will have triple the sales when MS or Sony decide to to release their consoles
[QUOTE="biggotorium"]Doubt all you want but the games announced at E3 alone suggest all the big publishers are backing it. Not only that but it looks like it's going to get the definitive versions of the multiplat games both on graphics and functionality. Look at Ninja Gaiden 3 for instance or the new Aliens game.PurpleMan5000
Yes it will get the multiplats that the 360 and the PS3 get, but it will still struggle to get exclusive 3rd party games because Nintendo is still gonna develop a lot of their own games, something that Sony and Microsoft don't do.
What is this "third party exclusive" you speak of? I thought those were just about extinct.
In the Wii's case I'm referring to games like Red Steel 2 and No More Heroes.
That's if the Wii U takes off, right now the Wii isn't very 3rd party friendly, the Wii U is going to have to rebuild its userbase again, and when the next Xbox and PlayStation consoles come out they'll be more powerful than the Wii U possibly marginalizing Nintendo again for 3rd party, larger publishers though will still make Wii U games though, even if to squeeze another million copies in revenues... regardless though I'd get a Wii U just for 1st party titles and the occasional 3rd party exclusive I can't pass up. The beginning of a new console though is a good time to get games out for everyone, when the pickings are slim right after launch people are going to go for the best games available, surely there's going to be developers that want Wii U games that early console buyers must have, and from the look of the launch line-up they could potentially have one of the strongest launch line-ups I've ever witnessed. How things play out after that has yet to be seen.
[QUOTE="biggotorium"]all of a sudden the WiiU is getting bigger third party games.biggotorium
Like what exactly?BF3. Ghost Recon, Assassins Creed, Tekken, Aliens, NG 3, Darksiders, Batman Arkum City, partners with EA (expect COD), Cry engine coming over, Valave on board, and that's just off the top of my head and from the E3 demo reel. That basically means all the big third party titles are going to be coming. Wii never got games like that at any point.
Everyone of those you have listed the PS3,360 locked down along time ago...Oh did you hear also...The Wii U was running videos from PS3,360 games...None of those games they showed was be being played on the system...And Nintendo admitted to it also...
Oh did you hear also...The Wii U was running videos from PS3,360 games...None of those games they showed was be being played on the system...And Nintendo admitted to it also...
Promised_Trini
you say that like it's supposed to be surprising..
how would an unfinished system be playing a game that hasn't been made for it yet? :|
I don't see that happening because 3rd party games rarely sell well on Nintendo consoles. I remember when there were people claiming that the Wii would usher in tons of quality 3rd party support, but the Wii has ended up just like the Gamecube; it's best games happen to be first or second party games.
[QUOTE="Promised_Trini"]Oh did you hear also...The Wii U was running videos from PS3,360 games...None of those games they showed was be being played on the system...And Nintendo admitted to it also...
Sword-Demon
you say that like it's supposed to be surprising..
how would an unfinished system be playing a game that hasn't been made for it yet? :|
They could've had a game ready and made for it...To show at E3...
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