Nintendo might be in trouble (game sales)

http://vgchartz.com/aweekly.php

Look at the list. Xbox 360 dominates as usual (I knew I backed the right horse)

Wii's three best selling titles are, get this:

Wii Play (a $50 pack in with controller)

Wii Sports (huh? Not even a retail game)

and Wii Sims at #27

:roll: :|

Now you know why I laugh at Nintendo. We are so close to the Holiday season, and this is what they have as their top selling games? Metroid Prime Corruption didn't exactly light the charts on fire either with only a struggling 500,000k in NA. This game was supposed to be one of the Big 3. Looks like you'll have to wait for SMG. I know that will sell well, but man, Wii Sims is the highest selling retail Wii game at #27? If I could give detention for this I would.

Saying Nintendo might be in trouble is like saying the United States might be in trouble during the Gulf War.

The Wii is selling thanks to Wii Sports alone.

1.) Metroid Prime has NEVER sold well. EVER. You probably know that. I think Metroid Prime 3 has sold the best in the series though.

2.) VG Charts is so unreliable.

If I could give detention for this I would.

PhoebusFlows

3.) Don't ever use that line again.

There are plenty of games around the corner. Nintendo doesn't need to worry so you shouldn't either. :wink:

I hope you know that the MP series are not a very popular series.

rofl its no surprise the game sales are lacking...there are no good games!!! it'll change when the first party releases come out, but i dont think it'll overtake microsoft's sales. they have the same amount of systems sold, but microsoft has far more games and far better titles.ACwillbeamazing

So sales of systems are unimportant to success, but sales of software is the end all be all of success?

I think that when metroid is released in europe it will catch bioshock.

Bioshock only sold 300,000 More in the Usa i think the numbers will be comparable.

However its dumb to say wii doesnt have any games if you own a wii and dont have metroid.

You know why i laugh at you? you never give up on making any console that doesnt have 'PS3' in it look lame. Haziqonfire

I don't even own a PS3. :|

Get the system right, I said in my post I own a Xbox 360.

And where are your sales sources if you dont like vgchartz? Most of what they post ends up getting confirmed anyways a few weeks later. Do you have a Wii game in mind that is missing from the Top Ten? I'd like to see your amazing sources. Metroid Prime 3 is not in the Top Ten, that's for sure.

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]You know why i laugh at you? you never give up on making any console that doesnt have 'PS3' in it look lame. PhoebusFlows

I don't even own a PS3. :|

Get the system right, I said in my post I own a Xbox 360.

And where are your sales sources if you dont like vgchartz? Most of what they post ends up getting confirmed anyways a few weeks later. Do you have a Wii game in mind that is missing from the Top Ten? I'd like to see your amazing sources. Metroid Prime 3 is not in the Top Ten, that's for sure.

So sales of systems are unimportant to success, but sales of software is the end all be all of success?

SpruceCaboose

To a certain extent - yes. How many games each owner of a system buys on average is a major deciding factor.

If system A has sold 20 million and the average user buys only 3 games a year it will lose out (when it comes to independent developer support) to a system that has sold 15 million where the average user buys 6 games a year.

It's all down to sales. And the Xbox 360 has an attach rate far higher than PS3 and Wii - and the developers make a note of that. And touting the PS3 as a cheap blu-ray player may have been a very stupid move. Because you end up with a large portion of the user base that rarely buy games at all.

Metroid Prime 3 is not in the Top Ten, that's for sure.

PhoebusFlows

Neither is Bioshock. That was hyped as the second coming of Christ.

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]You know why i laugh at you? you never give up on making any console that doesnt have 'PS3' in it look lame. PhoebusFlows

I don't even own a PS3. :|

Get the system right, I said in my post I own a Xbox 360.

And where are your sales sources if you dont like vgchartz? Most of what they post ends up getting confirmed anyways a few weeks later. Do you have a Wii game in mind that is missing from the Top Ten? I'd like to see your amazing sources. Metroid Prime 3 is not in the Top Ten, that's for sure.

[QUOTE="PhoebusFlows"]

Metroid Prime 3 is not in the Top Ten, that's for sure.

Homesrfan

Neither is Bioshock. That was hyped as the second coming of Christ.

also, I thought sales=/= quality. Thats what lemmings and cows keep telling the sheep. So now you are using sales yourself? What hypocrites

[QUOTE="ACwillbeamazing"]rofl its no surprise the game sales are lacking...there are no good games!!! it'll change when the first party releases come out, but i dont think it'll overtake microsoft's sales. they have the same amount of systems sold, but microsoft has far more games and far better titles.SpruceCaboose

So sales of systems are unimportant to success, but sales of software is the end all be all of success?

glad you figured it out. and its funny you say that...microsoft and nintendo have sold the same amount of consoles approximately...but look at the sales of software. who is winning? well if they're tied in consoles, and software is a landslide...i'd say nintendo is getting raped. but i will say there is hope...you guys could beat sony.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

So sales of systems are unimportant to success, but sales of software is the end all be all of success?

McCool69

To a certain extent - yes. How many games each owner of a system buys on average is a major deciding factor.

If system A has sold 20 million and the average user buys only 3 games a year it will lose out (when it comes to independent developer support) to a system that has sold 15 million where the average user buys 6 games a year.

It's all down to sales. And the Xbox 360 has an attach rate far higher than PS3 and Wii - and the developers make a note of that. And touting the PS3 as a cheap blu-ray player may have been a very stupid move. Because you end up with a large portion of the user base that rarely buy games at all.

I know the economics of the situation.

I meant on SW specifically. Lemmings went from sales of consoles were everything, to being beaten by the Wii and switching to a "its the games scores that matter" attitude, and are now trying to use a sub-set of sales again.

They cannot have it both ways.

But thelemmings and cowstold me we don't play sales here!!!

I'm so confused.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

[QUOTE="ACwillbeamazing"]rofl its no surprise the game sales are lacking...there are no good games!!! it'll change when the first party releases come out, but i dont think it'll overtake microsoft's sales. they have the same amount of systems sold, but microsoft has far more games and far better titles.ACwillbeamazing

So sales of systems are unimportant to success, but sales of software is the end all be all of success?

glad you figured it out. and its funny you say that...microsoft and nintendo have sold the same amount of consoles approximately...but look at the sales of software. who is winning? well if they're tied in consoles, and software is a landslide...i'd say nintendo is getting raped. but i will say there is hope...you guys could beat sony.

My guys? Who is that, exactly? Hate to break it to you, but I'm not a sheep.

Haha. Worst attempt at flame bait by Phoebus yet. And damn is that saying something.

Wii Sports comes with every Wii except in Japan. But golly jee, I doubt that has anything to do with it's sales.

Wii Play comes with a controller and the game itself is around 10 dollars. That's probably not helping sales though.

Metroid Prime games have never sold so well because they don't appeal to casuals like Halo. However, at this point, Metroid Prime 3 is selling better than the original Metroid Prime and its only released in America. Go figure.

Also, what happened to these:

"Sales don't matter"

"VGchartz is unreliable"

Don't bother replying, lemming, you'll just make yourself look worse.

[QUOTE="Homesrfan"][QUOTE="PhoebusFlows"]

Metroid Prime 3 is not in the Top Ten, that's for sure.

lettuceman44

Neither is Bioshock. That was hyped as the second coming of Christ.

also, I thought sales=/= quality. Thats what lemmings and cows keep telling the sheep. So now you are using sales yourself? What hypocrites

Because OMG BIOSHOCK WAS SUPPOSED TO BE GREAT! It's not in the top 10 more than a month after its release! MICROSOFT IS IN TROUBLE. Just trying to show this guy how stupid he is being.

MP3 isn't in the top 10 though... Top 10 wii games maybe, but not top 10 overall.

1.) Metroid Prime has NEVER sold well. EVER. You probably know that. I think Metroid Prime 3 has sold the best in the series though.

2.) VG Charts is so unreliable.

[QUOTE="PhoebusFlows"]

If I could give detention for this I would.

Homesrfan

3.) Don't ever use that line again.

I don't think the Metroid games in general have ever been huge sellers. Too bad as people are missing out on some of the best games the industry has to offer.

I'll say one thing about you MS fanboys. You're consistent hypocrits. First it's sales don't matter cause you can't play sales. Now it's sales are important and I'm glad I can play sales. :lol:Zhengi

[QUOTE="lettuceman44"][QUOTE="Homesrfan"][QUOTE="PhoebusFlows"]

Metroid Prime 3 is not in the Top Ten, that's for sure.

Homesrfan

Neither is Bioshock. That was hyped as the second coming of Christ.

also, I thought sales=/= quality. Thats what lemmings and cows keep telling the sheep. So now you are using sales yourself? What hypocrites

Because OMG BIOSHOCK WAS SUPPOSED TO BE GREAT! It's not in the top 10 more than a month after its release! MICROSOFT IS IN TROUBLE. Just trying to show this guy how stupid he is being.

MP3 isn't in the top 10 though... Top 10 wii games maybe, but not top 10 overall.

And the Wii has had what come out for it in the past few weeks? Dragon Blade? Donkey Kong: Barrel Blast? Anubis II? But yet somehow you're surprised that the Wii isn't tearing up the software sales charts?Hoffgod

And that's why I'm saying there's a problem. Shouldn't Nintendo have planned this out better and had more bigger games instead of Donkey Kong Barrel Blast and Dragon Blade? You yourself bought a Xbox 360 - why? Was the Wii not providing sufficient games for you?

My main beef with Nintendo which I knew would be a problem down the road is that there would a lot of waiting and gaps between really great games. it's basically come down to the 1st party games I only care about. Compare this to Xbox 360, the owner is overwhelmed with games right now (Halo3, Bioshock, Orange Box, etc) all scoring well and selling well. And I glance over at what's going on in Nintendoland and it's like a ghost town. I would've expected better planning and more assertive business strategies from Nintendo, which I heard was the #1 brand name (or second brand name?) in Japan.

And once again, for those who are laughing at the use of VGchatz, I seem to remember some of you use this same exact site when Wii passed the Xbox 360 worldwide sales. You had yourselves a merry little celebration with linkslike mine. I saw Vgchartz used.I did not intrude then, and let you have your cake. Oh, but now that I point out a rather disturbing dearth of quality Wii titles, no, that is not allowed. Only positive news is allowed here. Right, I gotcha. I will never question the Nintendo's perfection. :roll:

Its ok let tthe lemming talk garbage

we will see what the charts look like by februray of next year.

How much will you bet that wii fit,SSBB,mario galaxy,mario kart, and a DS game will all be on the charts?

Nintendo makes games that seem to stay on the charts a looooNg time.

http://vgchartz.com/aweekly.php?date=38998

It's sofware sales almost DOUBLES the 360's during it's same time frame. :|

[QUOTE="Hoffgod"]And the Wii has had what come out for it in the past few weeks? Dragon Blade? Donkey Kong: Barrel Blast? Anubis II? But yet somehow you're surprised that the Wii isn't tearing up the software sales charts?PhoebusFlows

And that's why I'm saying there's a problem. Shouldn't Nintendo have planned this out better and had more bigger games instead of Donkey Kong Barrel Blast and Dragon Blade? You yourself bought a Xbox 360 - why? Was the Wii not providing sufficient games for you?

My main beef with Nintendo which I knew would be a problem down the road is that there would a lot of waiting and gaps between really great games. it's basically come down to the 1st party games I only care about. Compare this to Xbox 360, the owner is overwhelmed with games right now (Halo3, Bioshock, Orange Box, etc) all scoring well and selling well. And I glance over at what's going on in Nintendoland and it's like a ghost town. I would've expected better planning and more assertive business strategies from Nintendo, which I heard was the #1 brand name (or second brand name?) in Japan.

And once again, for those who are laughing at the use of VGchatz, I seem to remember some of you use this same exact site when Wii passed the Xbox 360 worldwide sales. You had yourselves a merry little celebration with linkslike mine. I saw Vgchartz used.I did not intrude then, and let you have your cake. Oh, but now that I point out a rather disturbing dearth of quality Wii titles, no, that is not allowed. Only positive news is allowed here. Right, I gotcha. I will never question the Nintendo's perfection. :roll:

[QUOTE="Hoffgod"]And the Wii has had what come out for it in the past few weeks? Dragon Blade? Donkey Kong: Barrel Blast? Anubis II? But yet somehow you're surprised that the Wii isn't tearing up the software sales charts?PhoebusFlows

And that's why I'm saying there's a problem. Shouldn't Nintendo have planned this out better and had more bigger games instead of Donkey Kong Barrel Blast and Dragon Blade? You yourself bought a Xbox 360 - why? Was the Wii not providing sufficient games for you?

My main beef with Nintendo which I knew would be a problem down the road is that there would a lot of waiting and gaps between really great games. it's basically come down to the 1st party games I only care about. Compare this to Xbox 360, the owner is overwhelmed with games right now (Halo3, Bioshock, Orange Box, etc) all scoring well and selling well. And I glance over at what's going on in Nintendoland and it's like a ghost town. I would've expected better planning and more assertive business strategies from Nintendo, which I heard was the #1 brand name (or second brand name?) in Japan.

And once again, for those who are laughing at the use of VGchatz, I seem to remember some of you use this same exact site when Wii passed the Xbox 360 worldwide sales. You had yourselves a merry little celebration with linkslike mine. I saw Vgchartz used.I did not intrude then, and let you have your cake. Oh, but now that I point out a rather disturbing dearth of quality Wii titles, no, that is not allowed. Only positive news is allowed here. Right, I gotcha. I will never question the Nintendo's perfection. :roll:

I bought a 360 for the same reason I bought a Wii: it has games I want. I want to play Dead Rising, Bioshock, The Darkness, etc, so I bought a 360. Likewise, I wanted to play Twilight Princess, Super Paper Mario, Sonic and the Secret Rings, etc, so I bought a Wii. It's not an issue of satisfaction, it's an issue of desire. And as for the lineups, yeah, you're swimming in games now. However, look at the month or so of releases for the Wii coming up starting next week. Zack & Wiki, Manhunt 2, Battalion Wars 2, Trauma Center: New Blood, Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn, Medal of Honor: Heroes 2, Mercury Meltdown: Revolution, and others, as well as the megaton of Super Mario Galaxy. It's not exactly like there aren't titles coming, they're just not here now.Hoffgod

Fair enough, I understand you there. Outside of SMG, Smash Bros, and Mario Kart Wii (all 1st party again) I really do not see the other titles there improving the Wii's position in software sales and public perception now. Who knows, they may be fun, but when I see Wii Sims outselling Metroid Prime 3, something strikes me amiss. People tell me that MP3 is selling on par with the Gamecube ones. Well, I ask, should't MP3 outsell the predecessors by a clear mile easily? (It's not, according to the charts) With so many clear advantages and improvements (better 'revolutionary' controls, better game according to people here, even better advertising and larger install base) and yet, it's doing numbers like Red Steel which is actually an insult if you ask me.

What do I want? I want to see Nintendo really start changing things. Really show a commitment to online, establish better relationships with 3rd party, so when I look at an upcoming game list I dont see Horsez and Fishez and Carnival, but I see really great excellent titles. And yes, something even better than Manhunt 2 or Battalion Wars 2. I mean the type of games that make you shiver with anticipation like Mass Effect and Assassin's Creed and maybe even COD4. Those type of games I do not see going to Wii and maybe Nintendo needs to work on that.

[QUOTE="Hoffgod"]I bought a 360 for the same reason I bought a Wii: it has games I want. I want to play Dead Rising, Bioshock, The Darkness, etc, so I bought a 360. Likewise, I wanted to play Twilight Princess, Super Paper Mario, Sonic and the Secret Rings, etc, so I bought a Wii. It's not an issue of satisfaction, it's an issue of desire. And as for the lineups, yeah, you're swimming in games now. However, look at the month or so of releases for the Wii coming up starting next week. Zack & Wiki, Manhunt 2, Battalion Wars 2, Trauma Center: New Blood, Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn, Medal of Honor: Heroes 2, Mercury Meltdown: Revolution, and others, as well as the megaton of Super Mario Galaxy. It's not exactly like there aren't titles coming, they're just not here now.PhoebusFlows

Fair enough, I understand you there. Outside of SMG, Smash Bros, and Mario Kart Wii (all 1st party again) I really do not see the other titles there improving the Wii's position in software sales and perception now. Who knows, they may be fun, but when I see Wii Sims outselling Metroid Prime 3, something strikes me as amiss. People tell me that MP3 is selling on par with the Gamecube ones. Well, I ask, should't MP3 outsell the predecessors by a clear mile easily? (It's not, according to the charts) With so many clear advantages and improvements (better 'revolutionary' controls, better game according to people here, even better advertising and larger install base) and yet, it's doing numbers like Red Steel which is actually an insult if you ask me.

What do I want? I want to see Nintendo really start chaning things. Really show a commitment to online, establish better relationships with 3rd party, so when I look at a upcoming game list I dont see Horsez and Fishez and Carnival, but I see really great excellent titles. And yes, something even better than Manhunt 2 or Battalion Wars 2. I mean the type of games that make you shiver with anticipation like Mass Effect and Assassin's Creed and maybe even COD4. Those type of games I do not see going to Wii and maybe Nintendo needs to work on that.

I pretty much agree. I think the main problem is that the Wii is relatively underpowered. I don't care much about HD, but it's a problem when lack of power prevents Wii from getting multiplats. And I wouldn'tmind as much if there were more third-party exclusives, but right now there's not much worth hyping.

I think they did a better job with N64 and GC in terms of the number of quality games. But then again, the Wii is relatively new, so Nintendo could turn things around.

[QUOTE="PhoebusFlows"]

[QUOTE="Hoffgod"]And the Wii has had what come out for it in the past few weeks? Dragon Blade? Donkey Kong: Barrel Blast? Anubis II? But yet somehow you're surprised that the Wii isn't tearing up the software sales charts?viva_havarte

And that's why I'm saying there's a problem. Shouldn't Nintendo have planned this out better and had more bigger games instead of Donkey Kong Barrel Blast and Dragon Blade? You yourself bought a Xbox 360 - why? Was the Wii not providing sufficient games for you?

My main beef with Nintendo which I knew would be a problem down the road is that there would a lot of waiting and gaps between really great games. it's basically come down to the 1st party games I only care about. Compare this to Xbox 360, the owner is overwhelmed with games right now (Halo3, Bioshock, Orange Box, etc) all scoring well and selling well. And I glance over at what's going on in Nintendoland and it's like a ghost town. I would've expected better planning and more assertive business strategies from Nintendo, which I heard was the #1 brand name (or second brand name?) in Japan.

And once again, for those who are laughing at the use of VGchatz, I seem to remember some of you use this same exact site when Wii passed the Xbox 360 worldwide sales. You had yourselves a merry little celebration with linkslike mine. I saw Vgchartz used.I did not intrude then, and let you have your cake. Oh, but now that I point out a rather disturbing dearth of quality Wii titles, no, that is not allowed. Only positive news is allowed here. Right, I gotcha. I will never question the Nintendo's perfection. :roll:

Wiis last good game was in august it was metroid. Do you think they would release somthing against Halo that wasnt big?

You if you multiplat you have metroid and Bioshock for august,Halo for september, orange box manhunt and BWIIforfor october and mario and mass effect for November.

why is that bad?

Thing is, nintendo is making oodles of dollars on ever Wii they sell, not just every game.

And I guess phantom hourglass doesn't count does it?

I mean the type of games that make you shiver with anticipation like Mass Effect and Assassin's Creed and maybe even COD4. Those type of games I do not see going to Wii and maybe Nintendo needs to work on that.

PhoebusFlows

Who knows, they may be fun, but when I see Wii Sims outselling Metroid Prime 3, something strikes me amiss. People tell me that MP3 is selling on par with the Gamecube ones. Well, I ask, should't MP3 outsell the predecessors by a clear mile easily? (It's not, according to the charts) With so many clear advantages and improvements (better 'revolutionary' controls, better game according to people here, even better advertising and larger install base) and yet, it's doing numbers like Red Steel which is actually an insult if you ask me.PhoebusFlows

I want to see Nintendo really start changing things. Really show a commitment to online, establish better relationships with 3rd party, so when I look at an upcoming game list I dont see Horsez and Fishez and Carnival, but I see really great excellent titles.PhoebusFlows