Nintendo not winning simply cuz of a cheap pricepoint, rather a BETTER STRATEGY

Cows  and Lemmings... please stop using "but... but... its cheaper" as an excuse

Two reasons why:

1. History lesson - The GC was the cheapest and sold the least.

2. When each of the combatants entered this console war, they did so with different strategies:

- Sonys was to lure consumers with great graphics, online, blu-ray and their big franchises at the cost of coming in at a higher pricepoint and taking a loss on the hardware.

- MS similar to Sony but to a lesser extent with price as it did not come with a blu-ray 

-Nintendo came in with pick-up and play cheap console with a revolutionary new way to play games at the cost of lesser graphics (and actually make money on the hardware)

Each of the different strategies is intended to pull in the most consumers:

Nintnedo's strategy has pulled in the most money, and consumers thus far (on a monthly basis, not overall against the 360 yet)

Nintendo's strategy has been the best thus far.

the end.

edited to add: I'm not saying that a cheap pricepoint is not integral to Nintendos strategy, but that's all it is -- a part of the bigger picture -- while many of you like to attribute it as the sole reason why Nintendo is winning... do you think the Wii has become the fastest selling console of all time, has been given glowing praise by all avenues of the media, has become the phenom that it is simply because its cheap?

Give me a break.

8D

Hey look, a cookie! *Chases it as it rolls away.*  

That is basic knowledge yet most on this forum refuse to accept it. These supposed 'gamers' have become so ingrained in their ways and the conventions of the gaming industry that they cannot contemplate that such a radical strategy is the reason for success. Opponents of the Wii try to explain the scenario by transposing the norms of the gaming industry (a boost in horsepower every 5 years) onto the Wii, when the piece doesn't fit, so to speak, they come up with knee-jerk excuses such as 'its a fad' or 'its because of the price'.Caviglia

That is basic knowledge yet most on this forum refuse to accept it. These supposed 'gamers' have become so ingrained in their ways and the conventions of the gaming industry that they cannot contemplate that such a radical strategy is the reason for success. Opponents of the Wii try to explain the scenario by transposing the norms of the gaming industry (a boost in horsepower every 5 years) onto the Wii, when the piece doesn't fit, so to speak, they come up with knee-jerk excuses such as 'its a fad' or 'its because of the price'.Caviglia

 Man, Nintendo sells it's 150$ at finest console for 250$ and raped sheep are happy. :D

 You can buy for 300$ X360 that 10 times more powerfull and has 20 times more good games.  

dimar19

Exhibit C45O98W: Symptoms include inability to see the forest for the trees.

Termination recommended.

 Man, Nintendo sells it's 150$ at finest console for 250$ and raped sheep are happy. :D

 You can buy for 300$ X360 that 10 times more powerfull and has 20 times more good games.  

dimar19

 Man, Nintendo sells it's 150$ at finest console for 250$ and raped sheep are happy. :D

 You can buy for 300$ X360 that 10 times more powerfull and has 20 times more good games.  

dimar19

[QUOTE="dimar19"]

 Man, Nintendo sells it's 150$ at finest console for 250$ and raped sheep are happy. :D

 You can buy for 300$ X360 that 10 times more powerfull and has 20 times more good games.  

Caviglia

Exhibit C45O98W: Symptoms include inability to see the forest for the trees.

Termination recommended.

Sheep are gonna awake when instead RE 5, DMC 4, Bioshock, Strahghold, Army of Two, Bad Company, GTA 4, Brothers in Arms: Hell's Way, MoHA 2 and many others they will play low quality PS2 and PSP ports, but it would be to late for them.dimar19

Sheep are gonna awake when instead RE 5, DMC 4, Bioshock, Strahghold, Army of Two, Bad Company, GTA 4, Brothers in Arms: Hell's Way, MoHA 2 and many others they will play low quality PS2 and PSP ports, but it would be to late for them.dimar19

Your logic is flawed. The price difference between the PS2, XB, and GC was very small for the entire duration of their lifecycles, and now the Wii is much lower. The Wii is doing well because its cheap and its a casual gaming machine. In a couple years the casuals will stop playing and the Wii will be stuck in 3rd place, having the end of its lifecycle very similar to the end of the GC's. It's nothing but a fad and Nintendo is hyping the hell out of it and faking shortages.joeamis

So you're making baseless predictions about the future and somehow that makes my logic flawed?

Your logic is flawed. The price difference between the PS2, XB, and GC was very small for the entire duration of their lifecycles, and now the Wii is much lower. The Wii is doing well because its cheap and its a casual gaming machine. In a couple years the casuals will stop playing and the Wii will be stuck in 3rd place, having the end of its lifecycle very similar to the end of the GC's. It's nothing but a fad and Nintendo is hyping the hell out of it and faking shortages.joeamis

Ever heard of owning more than one console? :roll: When will fanboys realize that fanboyism isn't necessary?HeedleGlavin

 So I went to the shop month ago and bought PS 2. Clear win over Wii 

To be fair, the pricepoint is just as integral to Nintendo's business strategy as the motion control.

That's why you see both points being dismissed so casually by those who would rather not read the writing on the wall.

People rooting for the PSP used to attribute DS's success to the price point.  And guess what?  They were right. 

That is basic knowledge yet most on this forum refuse to accept it. These supposed 'gamers' have become so ingrained in their ways and the conventions of the gaming industry that they cannot contemplate that such a radical strategy is the reason for success. Opponents of the Wii try to explain the scenario by transposing the norms of the gaming industry (a boost in horsepower every 5 years) onto the Wii, when the piece doesn't fit, so to speak, they come up with knee-jerk excuses such as 'its a fad' or 'its because of the price'.Caviglia

[QUOTE="HeedleGlavin"]Ever heard of owning more than one console? :roll: When will fanboys realize that fanboyism isn't necessary?dimar19

So I went to the shop month ago and bought PS 2. Clear win over Wii

No, according to recent data Wii is on top.  You either meant 'Clear win over Xbox 360' or 'Devastating victory over PS3'. 

Sheep are gonna awake when instead RE 5, DMC 4, Bioshock, Strahghold, Army of Two, Bad Company, GTA 4, Brothers in Arms: Hell's Way, MoHA 2 and many others they will play low quality PS2 and PSP ports, but it would be to late for them.dimar19

Do you not realise that only a very select few people care about these games? Most people don't even know what they are. You have tunnel-vision.

[QUOTE="dimar19"]

 Man, Nintendo sells it's 150$ at finest console for 250$ and raped sheep are happy. :D

 You can buy for 300$ X360 that 10 times more powerfull and has 20 times more good games.  

HeedleGlavin

Hmm cheap... I think overpriced is the word you're looking for sheep.. with graphics like these for the rest of wiis life time, I certainly don't think it's worth $250.. I could buy a decent graphics card with that money, which is 10 times better than the wii itself. 

To be fair, the pricepoint is just as integral to Nintendo's business strategy as the motion control.

That's why you see both points being dismissed so casually by those who would rather not read the writing on the wall.

People rooting for the PSP used to attribute DS's success to the price point.  And guess what?  They were right. 

Iyethar

Nintendo = going for pick up and play affordable fun

Sony = going for high-tech, high-priced, conventional gaming

The public going for = Nintendo

case closed.  

 

Hmm cheap... I think overpriced is the word you're looking for sheep.. with graphics like these for the rest of wiis life time, I certainly don't think it's worth $250.. I could buy a decent graphics card with that money, which is 10 times better than the wii itself. 

Dahaka-UK

Your logic is flawed. The price difference between the PS2, XB, and GC was very small for the entire duration of their lifecycles, and now the Wii is much lower. The Wii is doing well because its cheap and its a casual gaming machine. In a couple years the casuals will stop playing and the Wii will be stuck in 3rd place, having the end of its lifecycle very similar to the end of the GC's. It's nothing but a fad and Nintendo is hyping the hell out of it and faking shortages.joeamis

Yet again the petty cop-out of 'its a fad'. Even if the Gamecube was as cheap as the Wii in relation to the 360 or PS3 it would still not be successful, it was too similar to its competitors with little or nothing to differentiate between them. Despite having some absolutely stellar 'hardcore' exclusives the Gamecube did not sell well, it just shows that the significance of so-called 'killer apps' is only felt within the core gaming community. Outside this niche audience nobody gives a fig about MGS4, MP3 or Mass Effect.

Your logic is flawed. The price difference between the PS2, XB, and GC was very small for the entire duration of their lifecycles, and now the Wii is much lower. The Wii is doing well because its cheap and its a casual gaming machine. In a couple years the casuals will stop playing and the Wii will be stuck in 3rd place, having the end of its lifecycle very similar to the end of the GC's. It's nothing but a fad and Nintendo is hyping the hell out of it and faking shortages.joeamis

No, according to recent data Wii is on top. You either meant 'Clear win over Xbox 360' or 'Devastating victory over PS3'.

Iyethar

 I'm not casual so I need some real games, no sets of casual mini games with Wii mote 

Sheep are gonna awake when instead RE 5, DMC 4, Bioshock, Strahghold, Army of Two, Bad Company, GTA 4, Brothers in Arms: Hell's Way, MoHA 2 and many others they will play low quality PS2 and PSP ports, but it would be to late for them.dimar19

People arguing about build costs and graphics are missing the point.

You're trying to persuade us that the Wii is not a good value for our money.  You're trying to change what's happening.

We're trying to explain to you why Nintendo's market strategy is superior in this generation, and likely to result in massive success for the Wii.  We're trying to explain what's happening.

The implications of this are significant and I will let the astute reader examine them on his own.

Nintendo is winning because of their strategy, but I just don't think MS or Sony will care as long as they each make a profit longterm on the investments put into their respective consoles as I feel the percentage pie will be pretty close by 2009.

IMHO the Wii is a system geared towards the younger crowd, the casual less hardcore gamer, and women.

IMHO the 360 is geared towards the hardcore online gamer.

IMHO the PS3 is geared towards the hardcore Sony fanbase and techno geeks who care for the newest toys and not price.

I'm a hardcore lemming and even I think that saleswise the Wii will probably win the system wars, but not by a huge margin and neither the 360 nor PS3 posting losses longterm. For me though as a 32 year old gamer the Wii just doesn't offer and experience I find enjoyable or entertianing. The PS3 is simply overpriced and inferior to the 360 in my eyes. But all in all congrats to the Big N for coming back hard with a great success, and to both MS and Sony as I feel when its all said and done both companies will make healthy profits 

In the end gamers, both hardcore and casual will win.

PS3 = $600(plus HDTV)

360 = $400(plus HDTV)

Wii = $250

 Last Gen:

PS3 = $299

Xbox = $299

Gamecube = $199

If you know how to subtract and have a knowledge that you need a HDTV to fully experience a ps3 or 360 then you wouldnt have failed with this thread.

Wii is a budget console theres no progress or difference between its graphics and a 2001 console. Its freaking 2007 kiddies. 

[QUOTE="Iyethar"]

No, according to recent data Wii is on top. You either meant 'Clear win over Xbox 360' or 'Devastating victory over PS3'.

dimar19

I'm not casual so I need some real games, no sets of casual mini games with Wii mote

[QUOTE="joeamis"]Your logic is flawed. The price difference between the PS2, XB, and GC was very small for the entire duration of their lifecycles, and now the Wii is much lower. The Wii is doing well because its cheap and its a casual gaming machine. In a couple years the casuals will stop playing and the Wii will be stuck in 3rd place, having the end of its lifecycle very similar to the end of the GC's. It's nothing but a fad and Nintendo is hyping the hell out of it and faking shortages.jedigemini

So you're making baseless predictions about the future and somehow that makes my logic flawed?

[QUOTE="dimar19"]Sheep are gonna awake when instead RE 5, DMC 4, Bioshock, Strahghold, Army of Two, Bad Company, GTA 4, Brothers in Arms: Hell's Way, MoHA 2 and many others they will play low quality PS2 and PSP ports, but it would be to late for them.Tristam22

[QUOTE="Iyethar"]

To be fair, the pricepoint is just as integral to Nintendo's business strategy as the motion control.

That's why you see both points being dismissed so casually by those who would rather not read the writing on the wall.

People rooting for the PSP used to attribute DS's success to the price point. And guess what? They were right.

jedigemini

Nintendo = going for pick up and play affordable fun

Sony = going for high-tech, high-priced, conventional gaming

The public going for = Nintendo

case closed.

I didn't say that the pricepoint was the whole strategy.  Far from it.  But the strategy would likely have collapsed without that element, much as it would probably have collapsed without the new control design.

[QUOTE="Dahaka-UK"]

 

 

Hmm cheap... I think overpriced is the word you're looking for sheep.. with graphics like these for the rest of wiis life time, I certainly don't think it's worth $250.. I could buy a decent graphics card with that money, which is 10 times better than the wii itself.

jedigemini

hey np, heres another one

look at those sexy wii graphics :| guess you get what you pay for... or not.. guess alot sheep use $250 as toilet paper.. cause it's ok to wastle it on these shoddy graphics right? 

[QUOTE="dimar19"]Sheep are gonna awake when instead RE 5, DMC 4, Bioshock, Strahghold, Army of Two, Bad Company, GTA 4, Brothers in Arms: Hell's Way, MoHA 2 and many others they will play low quality PS2 and PSP ports, but it would be to late for them.HeedleGlavin

[QUOTE="jedigemini"]

[QUOTE="joeamis"]Your logic is flawed. The price difference between the PS2, XB, and GC was very small for the entire duration of their lifecycles, and now the Wii is much lower. The Wii is doing well because its cheap and its a casual gaming machine. In a couple years the casuals will stop playing and the Wii will be stuck in 3rd place, having the end of its lifecycle very similar to the end of the GC's. It's nothing but a fad and Nintendo is hyping the hell out of it and faking shortages.joeamis

So you're making baseless predictions about the future and somehow that makes my logic flawed?

PS3 = $600(plus HDTV)

360 = $400(plus HDTV)

Wii = $250

Last Gen:

PS3 = $299

Xbox = $299

Gamecube = $199

 

If you know how to subtract and have a knowledge that you need a HDTV to fully experience a ps3 or 360 then you wouldnt have failed with this thread.

 

Wii is a budget console theres no progress or difference between its graphics and a 2001 console. Its freaking 2007 kiddies.

Tamarind_Face

And the "2001" console is kicking the "2007" console in the teeth.  Guess what?  That makes "2001" a better business strategy.  Your personal preferences are not significant to the discussion.

Cows and Lemmings... please stop using "but... but... its cheaper" as an excuse

Two reasons why:

1. History lesson - The GC was the cheapest and sold the least.

2. When each of the combatants entered this console war, they did so with different strategies:

- Sonys was to lure consumers with great graphics, online, blu-ray and their big franchises at the cost of coming in at a higher pricepoint and taking a loss on the hardware.

- MS similar to Sony but to a lesser extent with price as it did not come with a blu-ray

-Nintendo came in with pick-up and play cheap console with a revolutionary new way to play games at the cost of lesser graphics (and actually make money on the hardware)

Each of the different strategies is intended to pull in the most consumers:

Nintnedo's strategy has pulled in the most money, and consumers thus far (on a monthly basis, not overall against the 360 yet)

Nintendo's strategy has been the best thus far.

the end.

jedigemini

[QUOTE="jedigemini"]

[QUOTE="joeamis"]Your logic is flawed. The price difference between the PS2, XB, and GC was very small for the entire duration of their lifecycles, and now the Wii is much lower. The Wii is doing well because its cheap and its a casual gaming machine. In a couple years the casuals will stop playing and the Wii will be stuck in 3rd place, having the end of its lifecycle very similar to the end of the GC's. It's nothing but a fad and Nintendo is hyping the hell out of it and faking shortages.joeamis

So you're making baseless predictions about the future and somehow that makes my logic flawed?

and you're telling its simlpy because; it's cheap...

give me a break.

The Wii is winning. Nintendo's strategy is working. The burden of proof is on you not me.

[QUOTE="Tamarind_Face"]

PS3 = $600(plus HDTV)

360 = $400(plus HDTV)

Wii = $250

Last Gen:

PS3 = $299

Xbox = $299

Gamecube = $199

 

If you know how to subtract and have a knowledge that you need a HDTV to fully experience a ps3 or 360 then you wouldnt have failed with this thread.

 

Wii is a budget console theres no progress or difference between its graphics and a 2001 console. Its freaking 2007 kiddies.

Iyethar

And the "2001" console is kicking the "2007" console in the teeth. Guess what? That makes "2001" a better business strategy. Your personal preferences are not significant to the discussion.

[QUOTE="Tamarind_Face"]

PS3 = $600(plus HDTV)

360 = $400(plus HDTV)

Wii = $250

Last Gen:

PS3 = $299

Xbox = $299

Gamecube = $199

 

If you know how to subtract and have a knowledge that you need a HDTV to fully experience a ps3 or 360 then you wouldnt have failed with this thread.

 

Wii is a budget console theres no progress or difference between its graphics and a 2001 console. Its freaking 2007 kiddies.

Iyethar

And the "2001" console is kicking the "2007" console in the teeth.  Guess what?  That makes "2001" a better business strategy.  Your personal preferences are not significant to the discussion.

[QUOTE="Iyethar"][QUOTE="Tamarind_Face"]

PS3 = $600(plus HDTV)

360 = $400(plus HDTV)

Wii = $250

Last Gen:

PS3 = $299

Xbox = $299

Gamecube = $199

If you know how to subtract and have a knowledge that you need a HDTV to fully experience a ps3 or 360 then you wouldnt have failed with this thread.

Wii is a budget console theres no progress or difference between its graphics and a 2001 console. Its freaking 2007 kiddies.

Tamarind_Face

And the "2001" console is kicking the "2007" console in the teeth. Guess what? That makes "2001" a better business strategy. Your personal preferences are not significant to the discussion.

nintendos not winningDTM_haloLEG3ND