Nintendo passes up Sony, now worth more as a company.

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#1  Edited By inb4uall
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http://metro.co.uk/2014/01/08/nintendo-valued-as-bigger-company-than-sony-4254425/

What does Sw make of this?

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#2  Edited By trugs26
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We already kind of had a thread about this:

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/nintendo-is-a-bigger-company-than-sony-31019963/

But, you are providing a different link. I guess you can try again with SW.

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#3 Shinobishyguy
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B but muh nintendoomed

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#4  Edited By Couth_
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Not sure if srs... You nintendo guys are really this dumb?

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#5  Edited By deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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@Couth_ said:

Not sure if srs... You nintendo guys are really this dumb?

In terms of market capitalization, Nintendo actually is bigger than all of Sony put together.

There are other factors to consider when measuring a company's worth, but this is one of the most important ones (say, equivalent to measuring countries' economies by using their GDP) and the standard one.

The point of all this is, Nintendo is nowhere close to being 'doomed.'

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@speak_low said:

That Nintendo value, btw, has dropped nearly 75% from a few years ago, during the Wii period.

So that actually doesn't look good for Nintendo.

Sony at least has a better excuse considering they have to manage, R&D and manufacture so much more (cell phones, tablets, PCs, TVs) and make movies (like Spider-Man). It's not going well, but they have more to worry about.

Nintendo has one streamlined thing to focus on (video games only) and they have lost considerable value these last 3 years, and they suck at selling one of the consoles and their games.

Let's see dumb Nintendo today make and market their own line of cell phones, PCs, tablets/laptops, media players and, on top of that, be in charge of an animation studio and entire motion picture wing (Sony Animation and Sony Pictures).

Nintendo doesn't even know how to market their own gaming console well. They would never be successful in marketing and selling films and other entertainment products.

I don't know, they seem to have done an excellent job with Pokemon

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#8 PurpleMan5000
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@speak_low said:

That Nintendo value, btw, has dropped nearly 75% from a few years ago, during the Wii period.

So that actually doesn't look good for Nintendo.

Sony at least has a better excuse considering they have to manage, R&D and manufacture so much more (cell phones, tablets, PCs, TVs) and make movies (like Spider-Man). It's not going well, but they have more to worry about.

Nintendo has one streamlined thing to focus on (video games only) and they have lost considerable value these last 3 years, and they suck at selling one of the consoles and their games.

Let's see dumb Nintendo today make and market their own line of cell phones, PCs, tablets/laptops, media players and, on top of that, be in charge of an animation studio and entire motion picture wing (Sony Animation and Sony Pictures).

Nintendo doesn't even know how to market their own gaming console well. They would never be successful in marketing and selling films and other entertainment products.

Sony isn't successful at that, either.

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@speak_low said:

That Nintendo value, btw, has dropped nearly 75% from a few years ago, during the Wii period.

So that actually doesn't look good for Nintendo.

Sony at least has a better excuse considering they have to manage, R&D and manufacture so much more (cell phones, tablets, PCs, TVs) and make movies (like Spider-Man). It's not going well, but they have more to worry about.

Nintendo has one streamlined thing to focus on (video games only) and they have lost considerable value these last 3 years, and they suck at selling one of the consoles and their games.

Let's see dumb Nintendo today make and market their own line of cell phones, PCs, tablets/laptops, media players and, on top of that, be in charge of an animation studio and entire motion picture wing (Sony Animation and Sony Pictures).

Nintendo doesn't even know how to market their own gaming console well. They would never be successful in marketing and selling films and other entertainment products.

To be fair, I feel like Sony has so many divisions because in a way, it's marketing. You have your brand in so many places. This may or may not be profitable in the end, but it definitely makes the SONY brand more well known and trusted. Furthermore, things like Music and TV is far more mainstream than video games (especially a decade ago and prior to that), so getting the Playstation brand advertised through these avenues can prove to have a large impact. Where as Nintendo has merely the video game industry to advertise through: which would have been tough, especially prior to last gen (which has an impact on how they are seen today).

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They were both falling, it's simply that Sony was falling a lot faster and fell below Nintendo.

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Sony is a company that thinks selling $1000 worth of gold for $500 makes good business sense.

But hey sales are high! Who cares if we make a loss on every console sold.

This is why they will be bankrupt soon

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@charizard1605 said:

@Couth_ said:

Not sure if srs... You nintendo guys are really this dumb?

In terms of market capitalization, Nintendo actually is bigger than all of Sony put together.

There are other factors to consider when measuring a company's worth, but this is one of the most important ones (say, equivalent to measuring countries' economies by using their GDP) and the standard one.

The point of all this is, Nintendo is nowhere close to being 'doomed.'

Idiots.. idiots everywhere.. Sony is bigger. Sony has more assets, more equity, more employees, more revenue.. Market Capitalization does not give a representation of the size of a company. You guys are stupid as hell.

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#14  Edited By BlessedChill
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Market cap reflects only the equity value of a company. It is important to note that a firm's choice of capital structure has a significant impact on how the total value of a company is allocated between equity and debt. A more comprehensive measure is Enterprise, which includes debt, preferred stock, and other factors.

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#16 AmazonTreeBoa
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Well I don't have stock in these companies, so this is useless info for me. Let me know when Nintendo makes a system as powerful as it's competition and gets third party support, then you will be telling me something useful.

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#18  Edited By trugs26
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@speak_low said:

@trugs26 said:

To be fair, I feel like Sony has so many divisions because in a way, it's marketing. You have your brand in so many places. This may or may not be profitable in the end, but it definitely makes the SONY brand more well known and trusted. Furthermore, things like Music and TV is far more mainstream than video games (especially a decade ago and prior to that), so getting the Playstation brand advertised through these avenues can prove to have a large impact. Where as Nintendo has merely the video game industry to advertise through: which would have been tough, especially prior to last gen (which has an impact on how they are seen today).

That may be true that having the Sony brand extended into every corner helps them a lot, but Nintendo is not new and have been around the beginning of video games, so shouldn't that historical name-recognition (and nostalgia) also help them in the same manner?

Also, while I somewhat agree with you, it could backfire for both of them, because if someone doesn't like the Sony, Nintendo or any other company (Google, MS, Apple, Toyota, Honda) for whatever reason, that could mean those consumers will always neglect every single product made from them, even if the product is decent or even excellent.

We've heard of someone with one bad experience with a Sony CD player or Sony TV, and then swears off Sony forever and only looks to Samsung and LG now. So for every loyal fan they win, they may have many boycotters and rigid anti-Sony people as well who will never buy a Sony product again.

To your first paragraph, yes, Nintendo's historical significance has helped. This is why they aren't dead. They're not completely irrelevant. So it does help in the same manner, but not to the same extent because as I've said, TV and Movies are extremely mainstream.

To your second and third paragraph, yup, I can see that. Fair points.

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Company wars. I guess when your newest console is tanking you've got nothing else but to hype the size of your company.

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#20 BlessedChill
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@PurpleMan5000: you retarted?

Sony is the 3rd biggest movie productions company.

3rd biggest Tv manufacturer.

#2 or 3 biggest Music label

And overall a Fourtune 500 company.

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#21  Edited By Newhopes
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@GhoX said:

They were both falling, it's simply that Sony was falling a lot faster and fell below Nintendo.

Nintendo has been consistent and stable as a company for 30+ years, they've never had massive financial troubles like Sony have had in the last 10-15 years and generally they run their company extremely well, and no even if the WII U doesn't sell another console it won't really effect them massively.

And before people start BUT BUT Nintendo where worth $70 billion now they're worth $17 billion thats because of the WII and DS they where literally rolling in money some years they raked in $5-6 billion in profits so their stocks shot though the roof because of it.

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#22  Edited By PurpleMan5000
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@BlessedChill said:

@PurpleMan5000: you retarted?

Last I checked, no.

@BlessedChill said:

Sony is the 3rd biggest movie productions company.

3rd biggest Tv manufacturer.

#2 or 3 biggest Music label

And overall a Fourtune 500 company.

Sony loses tons of money on tvs and music, and I really don't think that is ever going to change.