Nintendo showing Sony and MIcrosoft....

...who is the boss.  They are making a great come back and if everything goes as planned for Nintendo they'll not only have the handheld market, but the home console market as well. Sony and Microsoft could learn something from Nintendo.  Actually Sony can go back to basics just like when they released PS or even PS2. Microsoft will never learn because they think money will buy them their way to # 1...walter09

The scary thing is that's how they usually create their monopolies...

...who is the boss.  They are making a great come back and if everything goes as planned for Nintendo they'll not only have the handheld market, but the home console market as well. Sony and Microsoft could learn something from Nintendo.  Actually Sony can go back to basics just like when they released PS or even PS2. Microsoft will never learn because they think money will buy them their way to # 1...walter09

Sony can't go back to anything. They dug a hole they're never going to get out of. Also, you condemn MS just because they are a wealthy company?

Aside from that, Nintendowned.

...you condemn MS just because they are a wealthy company?Tsug_Ze_Wind

I'm not condemning anybody ... just look at the history of MS and you'll understand my point...

You Nintendo boys think numbers are everything. To an extent it is, but not entirely. To me, an Xbox 360/ps3 is to a Wii what a Ferrari is to let's say Toyota. I would dare to believe that Toyota sells more cars than Ferrari but can we say that Toyota is superior to Ferrari overall? The two cars are catered for different crowds. For playboys, a Toyota is a NO, similarly, for people who like next-gen graphics, a Wii is a NO. So what if Wii sells more? The Wii cannot give me what i want, and i like graphics. Given a certain criteria, the Wii is not even in the same league. The Wii generally has more player-friendly games, such that the games are less hardcore and more adaptive. Similarly, a Toyota is a far more practical car, and cheaper. The Wii is also cheaper.

Although some of you may claim that the Wii rules and all that, but for us who like graphics and own a ps3/360, we are actually laughing at you Wii guys. Similarly, a Ferrari owner would laugh at a Toyota owner despite several claims that Toyota is better because it sells more cars, knowing that a poor man will never understand a rich man's taste.
jhcho2

...who is the boss.  They are making a great come back and if everything goes as planned for Nintendo they'll not only have the handheld market, but the home console market as well. Sony and Microsoft could learn something from Nintendo.  Actually Sony can go back to basics just like when they released PS or even PS2. Microsoft will never learn because they think money will buy them their way to # 1...walter09

all ninendo has to do now is get more support from 3rd parties to keep the momentum going.

You Nintendo boys think numbers are everything. To an extent it is, but not entirely. To me, an Xbox 360/ps3 is to a Wii what a Ferrari is to let's say Toyota. I would dare to believe that Toyota sells more cars than Ferrari but can we say that Toyota is superior to Ferrari overall? The two cars are catered for different crowds. For playboys, a Toyota is a NO, similarly, for people who like next-gen graphics, a Wii is a NO. So what if Wii sells more? The Wii cannot give me what i want, and i like graphics. Given a certain criteria, the Wii is not even in the same league. The Wii generally has more player-friendly games, such that the games are less hardcore and more adaptive. Similarly, a Toyota is a far more practical car, and cheaper. The Wii is also cheaper.

Although some of you may claim that the Wii rules and all that, but for us who like graphics and own a ps3/360, we are actually laughing at you Wii guys. Similarly, a Ferrari owner would laugh at a Toyota owner despite several claims that Toyota is better because it sells more cars, knowing that a poor man will never understand a rich man's taste.
jhcho2

Car analogies FTL.

Video game consoles =/= Cars.

You Nintendo boys think numbers are everything. To an extent it is, but not entirely. To me, an Xbox 360/ps3 is to a Wii what a Ferrari is to let's say Toyota. I would dare to believe that Toyota sells more cars than Ferrari but can we say that Toyota is superior to Ferrari overall? The two cars are catered for different crowds. For playboys, a Toyota is a NO, similarly, for people who like next-gen graphics, a Wii is a NO. So what if Wii sells more? The Wii cannot give me what i want, and i like graphics. Given a certain criteria, the Wii is not even in the same league. The Wii generally has more player-friendly games, such that the games are less hardcore and more adaptive. Similarly, a Toyota is a far more practical car, and cheaper. The Wii is also cheaper.

Although some of you may claim that the Wii rules and all that, but for us who like graphics and own a ps3/360, we are actually laughing at you Wii guys. Similarly, a Ferrari owner would laugh at a Toyota owner despite several claims that Toyota is better because it sells more cars, knowing that a poor man will never understand a rich man's taste.
jhcho2

You Nintendo boys think numbers are everything. To an extent it is, but not entirely. To me, an Xbox 360/ps3 is to a Wii what a Ferrari is to let's say Toyota. I would dare to believe that Toyota sells more cars than Ferrari but can we say that Toyota is superior to Ferrari overall? The two cars are catered for different crowds. For playboys, a Toyota is a NO, similarly, for people who like next-gen graphics, a Wii is a NO. So what if Wii sells more? The Wii cannot give me what i want, and i like graphics. Given a certain criteria, the Wii is not even in the same league. The Wii generally has more player-friendly games, such that the games are less hardcore and more adaptive. Similarly, a Toyota is a far more practical car, and cheaper. The Wii is also cheaper.

Although some of you may claim that the Wii rules and all that, but for us who like graphics and own a ps3/360, we are actually laughing at you Wii guys. Similarly, a Ferrari owner would laugh at a Toyota owner despite several claims that Toyota is better because it sells more cars, knowing that a poor man will never understand a rich man's taste.
jhcho2

[QUOTE="walter09"]...who is the boss.  They are making a great come back and if everything goes as planned for Nintendo they'll not only have the handheld market, but the home console market as well. Sony and Microsoft could learn something from Nintendo.  Actually Sony can go back to basics just like when they released PS or even PS2. Microsoft will never learn because they think money will buy them their way to # 1...Tsug_Ze_Wind

Sony can't go back to anything. They dug a hole they're never going to get out of. Also, you condemn MS just because they are a wealthy company?

Aside from that, Nintendowned.

nintendo came back from gamecube u know

[QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]...you condemn MS just because they are a wealthy company?walter09

I'm not condemning anybody ... just look at the history of MS and you'll understand my point...

[QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

[QUOTE="walter09"]...who is the boss.  They are making a great come back and if everything goes as planned for Nintendo they'll not only have the handheld market, but the home console market as well. Sony and Microsoft could learn something from Nintendo.  Actually Sony can go back to basics just like when they released PS or even PS2. Microsoft will never learn because they think money will buy them their way to # 1...alex1889

Sony can't go back to anything. They dug a hole they're never going to get out of. Also, you condemn MS just because they are a wealthy company?

Aside from that, Nintendowned.

nintendo came back from gamecube u know

The Gamecube was merely a console that did not sell very well. What Sony has gotten themselves into, I highly doubt they will be able to earn the respect of the gaming community again.

[QUOTE="walter09"]

[QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]...you condemn MS just because they are a wealthy company?ps3-nikita

I'm not condemning anybody ... just look at the history of MS and you'll understand my point...

What planet do you live on?

[QUOTE="walter09"]

[QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]...you condemn MS just because they are a wealthy company?ps3-nikita

I'm not condemning anybody ... just look at the history of MS and you'll understand my point...

[QUOTE="walter09"]

[QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]...you condemn MS just because they are a wealthy company?ps3-nikita

I'm not condemning anybody ... just look at the history of MS and you'll understand my point...

[QUOTE="walter09"]

[QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]...you condemn MS just because they are a wealthy company?ps3-nikita

I'm not condemning anybody ... just look at the history of MS and you'll understand my point...

You Nintendo boys think numbers are everything. To an extent it is, but not entirely.
jhcho2

PS. I just know that the rest of what you wrote is garbage.

Well, if that is too difficult to understand, then let's just say that Nintendo chooses their target market differently than Sony and Microsoft. Nintendo said that with ultra realistic graphics nowadays, graphics are no longer important. Well, they said that just because they didn't have the resources to come up with a more powerful console. The fact that Xbox 360 and ps3 puts Nintendo's graphics to shame proves that we haven't reached the peak of graphics performance. For for people who want to play 720p and 1080p, a Wii is obsolete. And seriously, i don't think ps3 and Xbox owners envy Wii owners.

If Nintendo would have just admitted their financial restrictions. instead of saying of graphics are unimportant, i would have had more respect for them. As much as people might refuse to admit, graphics actually do define the generation. Graphics determine the difference between contemporary games and game 20 years ago. If gameplay determines the generation, then given the same gameplay, two game with different graphics should technically be in the same generation. So Wolfenstein 3D and Doom 3 are in the same generation? The share the same gameplay! But no. The graphics make all the difference. Even if you introduced some new portable remote controller for Wolfenstein 3D, it will still be old-gen. The generation of game consoles are marked by technological advancement (ie. better video cards and processors for better graphics), not creative ideas like a new remote. Gyroscopic technology was available years ago, except nobody bothered to implement it. However, the graphics/processing power on the ps3 and 360 is currently state of the art and a benchmark for technology. That's what next-gen is all about, not some idea based on some unimplemented technology available some time ago.

Hence, Nintendo may sell more, but it is not next gen and caters for a different crowd.
jhcho2

You Nintendo boys think numbers are everything. To an extent it is, but not entirely. To me, an Xbox 360/ps3 is to a Wii what a Ferrari is to let's say Toyota. I would dare to believe that Toyota sells more cars than Ferrari but can we say that Toyota is superior to Ferrari overall? The two cars are catered for different crowds. For playboys, a Toyota is a NO, similarly, for people who like next-gen graphics, a Wii is a NO. So what if Wii sells more? The Wii cannot give me what i want, and i like graphics. Given a certain criteria, the Wii is not even in the same league. The Wii generally has more player-friendly games, such that the games are less hardcore and more adaptive. Similarly, a Toyota is a far more practical car, and cheaper. The Wii is also cheaper.

Although some of you may claim that the Wii rules and all that, but for us who like graphics and own a ps3/360, we are actually laughing at you Wii guys. Similarly, a Ferrari owner would laugh at a Toyota owner despite several claims that Toyota is better because it sells more cars, knowing that a poor man will never understand a rich man's taste.
jhcho2

You realize the money nintendo has even before the wii, they make profit off everything they sell, GC, DS, GBA etc, they could of made a 360 graphic like console, but it would have been pointless, cos we've already seen that their franchises wont win a gen, thus the DS (bringing new games), hence wii, also bringing a unique gaming expierence.hyruledweller

Wolf3d and Doom3 aren't just a graphical difference. :roll:Ontain

I'd hate Nitendo becomming market leaders again, I think an even share is best for both the industry and gamers.tomarlyn

You Nintendo boys think numbers are everything. To an extent it is, but not entirely. To me, an Xbox 360/ps3 is to a Wii what a Ferrari is to let's say Toyota. I would dare to believe that Toyota sells more cars than Ferrari but can we say that Toyota is superior to Ferrari overall? The two cars are catered for different crowds. For playboys, a Toyota is a NO, similarly, for people who like next-gen graphics, a Wii is a NO. So what if Wii sells more? The Wii cannot give me what i want, and i like graphics. Given a certain criteria, the Wii is not even in the same league. The Wii generally has more player-friendly games, such that the games are less hardcore and more adaptive. Similarly, a Toyota is a far more practical car, and cheaper. The Wii is also cheaper.

Although some of you may claim that the Wii rules and all that, but for us who like graphics and own a ps3/360, we are actually laughing at you Wii guys. Similarly, a Ferrari owner would laugh at a Toyota owner despite several claims that Toyota is better because it sells more cars, knowing that a poor man will never understand a rich man's taste.
jhcho2

Anyone who thinks Nintendo didn't compete graphically this gen because of "financial restrictions" has either:

a) never examined Nintendo's financial statements

b) would be too stupid to understand the financial statements anyways

c) both of the above

Nintendo was going for a bargain bin price in an expensive market. It was a great idea, except that their games currently, and their line up for the next year on Wii is complete garbage.

PS3 and Xbox360 owners don't envy "Cooking Mama: Cook Off" ... Sorry.

I'm sure all those owners will still be enjoying waving around their wiimote to last-gen graphics in two years time.  kentlucky

I can tell you are dying to put your hands on a wii-mote =P, but you haven't been able to find it available at your local retailer ;) isn't that right?

I'd hate Nitendo becomming market leaders again, I think an even share is best for both the industry and gamers.tomarlyn

[QUOTE="kentlucky"]I'm sure all those owners will still be enjoying waving around their wiimote to last-gen graphics in two years time. walter09

I can tell you are dying to put your hands on a wii-mote =P, but you haven't been able to find it available at your local retailer ;) isn't that right?

I dunno about that guy, but I actually tried my... (okay, brother's girlfriend's sister's.... I should have just said "friend" but that wouldn't be honest) Wii just to try the damnable wiimote after hearing how much better it was than a normal controller.

Now, maybe I'm just bias because I'm a bit more old school, but I still prefer the normal controller. And no, it's not because I can get one, I've got an hour and a half between classes in the morning, so I get to walk by EB in the mall with their "Wii's in stock" sign first thing in the morning at least once every couple weeks.

You Nintendo boys think numbers are everything. To an extent it is, but not entirely. To me, an Xbox 360/ps3 is to a Wii what a Ferrari is to let's say Toyota. I would dare to believe that Toyota sells more cars than Ferrari but can we say that Toyota is superior to Ferrari overall? The two cars are catered for different crowds. For playboys, a Toyota is a NO, similarly, for people who like next-gen graphics, a Wii is a NO. So what if Wii sells more? The Wii cannot give me what i want, and i like graphics. Given a certain criteria, the Wii is not even in the same league. The Wii generally has more player-friendly games, such that the games are less hardcore and more adaptive. Similarly, a Toyota is a far more practical car, and cheaper. The Wii is also cheaper.

Although some of you may claim that the Wii rules and all that, but for us who like graphics and own a ps3/360, we are actually laughing at you Wii guys. Similarly, a Ferrari owner would laugh at a Toyota owner despite several claims that Toyota is better because it sells more cars, knowing that a poor man will never understand a rich man's taste.
jhcho2

...who is the boss. They are making a great come back and if everything goes as planned for Nintendo they'll not only have the handheld market, but the home console market as well. Sony and Microsoft could learn something from Nintendo. Actually Sony can go back to basics just like when they released PS or even PS2. Microsoft will never learn because they think money will buy them their way to # 1...walter09

I'd hate Nitendo becomming market leaders again, I think an even share is best for both the industry and gamers.tomarlyn

[QUOTE="walter09"]...who is the boss.  They are making a great come back and if everything goes as planned for Nintendo they'll not only have the handheld market, but the home console market as well. Sony and Microsoft could learn something from Nintendo.  Actually Sony can go back to basics just like when they released PS or even PS2. Microsoft will never learn because they think money will buy them their way to # 1...skelebull3000

The scary thing is that's how they usually create their monopolies...

You Nintendo boys think numbers are everything. To an extent it is, but not entirely. To me, an Xbox 360/ps3 is to a Wii what a Ferrari is to let's say Toyota. I would dare to believe that Toyota sells more cars than Ferrari but can we say that Toyota is superior to Ferrari overall? The two cars are catered for different crowds. For playboys, a Toyota is a NO, similarly, for people who like next-gen graphics, a Wii is a NO. So what if Wii sells more? The Wii cannot give me what i want, and i like graphics. Given a certain criteria, the Wii is not even in the same league. The Wii generally has more player-friendly games, such that the games are less hardcore and more adaptive. Similarly, a Toyota is a far more practical car, and cheaper. The Wii is also cheaper.

Although some of you may claim that the Wii rules and all that, but for us who like graphics and own a ps3/360, we are actually laughing at you Wii guys. Similarly, a Ferrari owner would laugh at a Toyota owner despite several claims that Toyota is better because it sells more cars, knowing that a poor man will never understand a rich man's taste.
jhcho2

That's a dumb comparison. A ferrari is at it's cheapest at least $100,000 more than a toyota. And to even try and imply that only "playboys" play the X360 is sad.....ask any hot girl out there and she'll more than likely wanna play Wii with you than Xbox360. Oh and by the way....there's something special about a bad ass twin turbo Supra  smoking a ferrari.

Guys last generation the game with the best graphics was Resident Evil 4 .... and the same arguments were make about GC about not being a next-gen console.  I see a lot of potential in the Wii .... PS3 and 360 would've been great if they had been released 5 years from now ... because HDTV is not widely used as of today, so your PS3 and 360 look just like the Wii in your nonHDTV screens =D....walter09

So you honestly think that it is going to take 5 yrs before HD it is widely used...........LOL

Wow I am not sure what city or town you live but where I live HD is coming a lot faster than 5 yrs, and why do people make it ou to be such a bad thing.........If Nintendo would have gone HD the Nintendo faithful would have thought it was the greatest thing they have ever heard.

Anyone who thinks Nintendo didn't compete graphically this gen because of "financial restrictions" has either:

a) never examined Nintendo's financial statements

b) would be too stupid to understand the financial statements anyways

c) both of the aboveNumber_1_Gamer

Then you have a better reason other than financial restrictions? Nintendo was too lazy? Didn't care? Perhaps it is you who don't understand. Many of you guys think that just because Nintendo is doing well in the gaming market therefore they are as rich as Sony and Microsoft. Sony's sales in TVs, home theater systems, radios, cellphones etc mount up to much more than what Nintendo sells is consoles, not to mention that each of those things are probably more expensive than one Nintendo console. Microsoft's resources are almost a bottomless pit. If Sony themselves claim that the ps3 was a financial sinkhole, we could imagine than maybe the R&D alone took up maybe a few hundred million dollars. Nintento porbably has that kind of money in cash, but the company would collapse if they spend that much. There is a big difference between having sufficient cash at disposal and being able to AFFORD it.

[QUOTE="Number_1_Gamer"]Anyone who thinks Nintendo didn't compete graphically this gen because of "financial restrictions" has either:

a) never examined Nintendo's financial statements

b) would be too stupid to understand the financial statements anyways

c) both of the abovejhcho2

Then you have a better reason other than financial restrictions? Nintendo was too lazy? Didn't care? Perhaps it is you who don't understand. Many of you guys think that just because Nintendo is doing well in the gaming market therefore they are as rich as Sony and Microsoft. Sony's sales in TVs, home theater systems, radios, cellphones etc mount up to much more than what Nintendo sells is consoles, not to mention that each of those things are probably more expensive than one Nintendo console. Microsoft's resources are almost a bottomless pit. If Sony themselves claim that the ps3 was a financial sinkhole, we could imagine than maybe the R&D alone took up maybe a few hundred million dollars. Nintento porbably has that kind of money in cash, but the company would collapse if they spend that much. There is a big difference between having sufficient cash at disposal and being able to AFFORD it.

Well, if that is too difficult to understand, then let's just say that Nintendo chooses their target market differently than Sony and Microsoft. Nintendo said that with ultra realistic graphics nowadays, graphics are no longer important. Well, they said that just because they didn't have the resources to come up with a more powerful console. The fact that Xbox 360 and ps3 puts Nintendo's graphics to shame proves that we haven't reached the peak of graphics performance. For for people who want to play 720p and 1080p, a Wii is obsolete. And seriously, i don't think ps3 and Xbox owners envy Wii owners.

If Nintendo would have just admitted their financial restrictions. instead of saying of graphics are unimportant, i would have had more respect for them. As much as people might refuse to admit, graphics actually do define the generation. Graphics determine the difference between contemporary games and games 20 years ago. If gameplay determines the generation, then given the same gameplay, two games with different graphics should technically be in the same generation. So Wolfenstein 3D and Doom 3 are in the same generation? The share the same gameplay! But no. The graphics make all the difference. Even if you introduced some new portable remote controller for Wolfenstein 3D, it will still be old-gen. The generation of game consoles are marked by technological advancement (ie. better video cards and processors for better graphics), not creative ideas like a new remote. Gyroscopic technology was available years ago, except nobody bothered to implement it. However, the graphics/processing power on the ps3 and 360 is currently state of the art and a benchmark for technology. That's what next-gen is all about, not some idea based on some unimplemented technology available some time ago.

Hence, Nintendo may sell more, but it is not next gen and caters for a different crowd.
jhcho2

[QUOTE="Number_1_Gamer"]Anyone who thinks Nintendo didn't compete graphically this gen because of "financial restrictions" has either:

a) never examined Nintendo's financial statements

b) would be too stupid to understand the financial statements anyways

c) both of the abovejhcho2

Then you have a better reason other than financial restrictions? Nintendo was too lazy? Didn't care? Perhaps it is you who don't understand. Many of you guys think that just because Nintendo is doing well in the gaming market therefore they are as rich as Sony and Microsoft. Sony's sales in TVs, home theater systems, radios, cellphones etc mount up to much more than what Nintendo sells is consoles, not to mention that each of those things are probably more expensive than one Nintendo console. Microsoft's resources are almost a bottomless pit. If Sony themselves claim that the ps3 was a financial sinkhole, we could imagine than maybe the R&D alone took up maybe a few hundred million dollars. Nintento porbably has that kind of money in cash, but the company would collapse if they spend that much. There is a big difference between having sufficient cash at disposal and being able to AFFORD it.

Buddy, if you want to compare these companies by networth, it would be Microsoft, followed by Nintendo, then Sony last.

Sure, Sony also sells TVs, and other electronical appliances, but the kicker is this, they don't make alot of profit when they sell that stuff. Just because Sony sells alot of different items, it doesn't mean they make alot. Check out their annual financial statements in comparison to Nintendo's.

And another thing, since u like analogies alot, lemme give you this one.

Think of Sony as the Germans during WW2, they've managed to Blitzkreig their way into Poland, France, Russia, and the Netherlands. The world saw them as a powerhouse and were scared sh*etless, the Nazis were all celebrating and cheering, but they didn't realize their ultimate flaw. This flaw of course was the fact that they spread their forces too thin, attacked the enemy at the wrong time of year, and their arrogance managed to drive their allies away (the Italians, foresaw the inevitable defeat of the Germans, so they wanted to jump ship).

Analogy aside, if you want to know why Nintendo chose to take the path of the Wii, just go to Wii.com and read up on Iwata askes. Those articles give insight to what the CEO of nintendo was doing, in terms of a strategic plan for their company.

PS - I don't doubt the power and potential the PS3 has, but given the fact that the higher ups in Sony are doing such a bad job promoting it and running the company, i truly have a lack of confidence for the company of Sony as a whole.

"The only constant in life is change" ~ Confucious

indeed great post i agree 100%deadmeat59