Nintendo Spiraling Downfall

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NES, Super Nintendo, N64, Gamecube, and Wii were successful consoles and practically had the most successful launch until a year ago. The Wii U has proven to be Nintendo's failure ever since the launch and throughout the months, sales has not improve. In a way, this was Nintendo's fault for letting this happen and having low sales on a next gen console that supposed to be revolutionary. In retrospect, Wii U could been successful. It could have high sales. The only problem is Nintendo didn't see it nor oblivious to the fact that Wii U is really a better console after all. Nintendo has many advantages in the console wars against the 360 and PS3 from exclusives down to functionality.

The obvious advantage Nintendo has over the two giants were first party games. Nintendo is notorious of exclusive games while Xbox had small exclusive games and Playstation 3 had only a few like Uncharted to name the least. If you want play Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Star Fox, Pokémon, Yoshi Island, or even the cute pink ball, Kirby, you have to have a Nintendo console. It's either that or not play Mario at all. That was the major advantage Nintendo had but didn't utilize it. When Wii U launched, the launch games were games that anybody can get with a 360 or PS3 with just $60 dollars or less. Like I written in the last blog, why spend $350 dollars on a console and $60 dollar game while I can save $400 dollars by buying the same games on a console I already own. How did the Wii made money? It had good launch games. First Party games make launch consoles successful, not the other way around as Nintendo did for the Wii U. Pikmin was supposed to be one of the first party launch, but it was delayed for some odd reason, Nintendo decided to launch it anyway without Pikmin. If Nintendo had a huge Mario title on launch day, people would buy this console for themselves, not just for their kids.

Another meaningful advantage Nintendo has was the exclusive games itself. Have you noticed all Nintendo first party games are for everyone and the highest rating is T. Because Nintendo was known for child friendly. But, the child friendly culture that was 10 or 15 years ago have grown up and playing grown up games on Xbox and PS. Plus, the culture is different in America. Average gamers age are 22 to 35. 15 years ago, I remember eating a bowl of cereal and watch Saturday morning cartoons. Now, these kids are eating a bowl cereal and watching MTV. But all Nintendo did were releasing E rated games and ignoring the people who made them money before. Some of their exclusives can be M rated. I can see that. I can see Metroid to be M rated. Hell, Metroid can be M rated anyway. I can see Star Fox M rated. No joke, Star Fox can be M rated. I can see players play as Fox McCloud while he piloting the Arwings shooting down bogies and on the ground, Fox would shoot with all different type of arsenals like Call of Duty or Battlefield. But Nintendo didn't think outside the box. Always for the children, I think.

Nintendo always has revolutionary technology. The Wii Gamepad was extraordinary. Players can use them tv screens to view the game while using the screen on the pad for different use like getting items, looking at maps, or different functions. But this is also a major downfall because many third party games doesn't understand the technology. They just getting started on the Wii Remote until Wii U was announced. Also, while Nintendo wanted to be unique, they forgot the fact that media player on the console is really what keeps players operating on the Wii U.

With many advantages, Nintendo tend to not to see this or turn a blind eye. Nintendo had months to improve the sales. But they never did anything. Nintendo never bother going through the press conference at E3 this year to show what they can offer. But, reviewers praise them for standing out in E3 by not having a press conference. I say no! At E3, companies have to tell consumers why they should buy the product, what they can offer, and the products (i.e. games) associate with them. And now, the month of the next gen consoles is here and Nintendo is optimistic about their success or failure. They said they were glad Xbox One and Playstation 4 are releasing that Nintendo think they can bounce back. There is a fine line between optimism and stupidity and they are operating on stupidity. When these consoles release, Wii U will lose its relevance. If you're playing Xbox One and a game for Wii U arrive at stores, would you buy a Wii U? No. You will keeping playing the new console while Wii U suffers. I feel bad for Nintendo but I don't feel sorry them. These decision that they made were foolish and now, it's biting them in the ass. The only thing Nintendo has is the DS. They should stop making Wii U's and focus more on handheld. Nintendo has lost the console war and now, there is no reset button. Just jumping off the screen with a "Game Over" caption in the middle of the screen.

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#2  Edited By KungfuKitten
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I almost replied.

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#3  Edited By drekula2
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I wouldn't equate M-rated with adult friendly gaming.

And I wouldn't call the Wii a success, especially since it put Nintendo in a vulnerable position this gen.

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#4  Edited By KBFloYd
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@jjohns88 said:

NES, Super Nintendo, N64, Gamecube, and Wii were successful consoles and practically had the most successful launch until a year ago. The Wii U has proven to be Nintendo's failure ever since the launch and throughout the months, sales has not improve.

sales have not improved?

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@danabo: wtf is that? XD

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Worst comes to worse, Nintendo is making games as a third party, and they'll still do well for themselves.

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Nintendo from 1985 until the mid 1990's was arguably the king of the video game industry in the home console market then they lost sight ! As some here may know, Sony and Nintendo had a deal to include a cd drive add-on for the SNES that was named ahem Playstation but then Nintendo backed out of the deal and Sony went ton to develop the Playstation as their entry console into the gaming industry and the rest is history !

While Sega and new comer Sony unveiled cd based consoles, Nintendo opted to stick with their very successful cart based business model and when game developers realized they could make cd based games far cheaper than N64 cart games, it was game over for Nintendo who then went on a campaign of quality over quantity !

Their ineptness and refusal to embrace technology to their consoles has ultimately doomed Nintendo !

Their colossal failure with the Virtual Boy was the beginning of the end for Nintendo in terms of innovation !

Lastly their continued alliance with their kiddie themed in house franchises kept them relevant but now as more adults are becoming gamer's, no one just wants Mario, Donkey Kong, and Zelda as their only outlet for gaming and sadly Nintendo doesn't quite get this !

People who grew up with Mario, Zelda and DK are now adults who do not want to play the same kiddie themed games they played as kids !

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The system just needs more games

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@BUMPED2002 said:

Nintendo from 1985 until the mid 1990's was arguably the king of the video game industry in the home console market then they lost sight ! As some here may know, Sony and Nintendo had a deal to include a cd drive add-on for the SNES that was named ahem Playstation but then Nintendo backed out of the deal and Sony went ton to develop the Playstation as their entry console into the gaming industry and the rest is history !

While Sega and new comer Sony unveiled cd based consoles, Nintendo opted to stick with their very successful cart based business model and when game developers realized they could make cd based games far cheaper than N64 cart games, it was game over for Nintendo who then went on a campaign of quality over quantity !

Their ineptness and refusal to embrace technology to their consoles has ultimately doomed Nintendo !

Their colossal failure with the Virtual Boy was the beginning of the end for Nintendo in terms of innovation !

Lastly their continued alliance with their kiddie themed in house franchises kept them relevant but now as more adults are becoming gamer's, no one just wants Mario, Donkey Kong, and Zelda as their only outlet for gaming and sadly Nintendo doesn't quite get this !

People who grew up with Mario, Zelda and DK are now adults who do not want to play the same kiddie themed games they played as kids !

"BUMPED2002'...

Totally not a troll.

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#10  Edited By StormyJoe
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@jjohns88:

The Wii was a hit because non-traditional gamers bought it. But, those people are fad-conscious and quite fickle. The Wii U is not another "Tickle Me Elmo", so it has to fight against the other two consoles for the normal gaming crowd: Xb1 and PS4. When squared up against those two, it comes up real short.

That is why it's a failure.

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Spiraling? Maybe deflating but spiraling?

Spiraling was Atari making the jaguar with $40 million dollars in cash with no advertising and was expecting it to sell,. Along with Sega paying a 45%+ stock investment with Atari and the later on screwing up their Saturn along with the jaguar flopping.

That is spiraling.

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Nintendo should stay in the hand-held market, but go Third-party with their games. The hardware business is just killer and it can and will kill your business. I'm a Xbox One gamer who would absolutely day 1 buy Mario, Zelda and Metroid on the One. The Wii-U is dying a slow, painful death and taking the company with it. There online infrastructure is shit and that's the way the world of gaming is going. I promise you 15 years ago BlockBuster Video here in the States couldn't fathom what they've become now. Sega had to get out the console business. Nintendo is in a strong position obviously, but no company is to big to fail given the right chain of events. Not Sony, MS, Apple or anyone.

There's no shame in producing a product that doesn't sell. It happens all the time and will again to every single company that produces products and services. Sometimes an idea simply fails. What is shameful is being to prideful to see the error and doing nothing to change it. Being so hard-headed that you end up going bankrupt because you won't open your eyes. That's something to be ashamed of.

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Their spiraling failure is surely the reason that they have the highest selling system this generation as well, right?

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@BUMPED2002: Why did you bumped a three-month old thread?

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@mario-galaxys said:

@BUMPED2002: Why did you bumped a three-month old thread?

his first post as well....

nintendo....keeping 13 year old analysts in business since wiiU launched lol

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@shawn30 said:

Nintendo should stay in the hand-held market, but go Third-party with their games. The hardware business is just killer and it can and will kill your business. I'm a Xbox One gamer who would absolutely day 1 buy Mario, Zelda and Metroid on the One. The Wii-U is dying a slow, painful death and taking the company with it. There online infrastructure is shit and that's the way the world of gaming is going. I promise you 15 years ago BlockBuster Video here in the States couldn't fathom what they've become now. Sega had to get out the console business. Nintendo is in a strong position obviously, but no company is to big to fail given the right chain of events. Not Sony, MS, Apple or anyone.

There's no shame in producing a product that doesn't sell. It happens all the time and will again to every single company that produces products and services. Sometimes an idea simply fails. What is shameful is being to prideful to see the error and doing nothing to change it. Being so hard-headed that you end up going bankrupt because you won't open your eyes. That's something to be ashamed of.

So if Nintendo had respectable online capabilities and a console on par with the X1 would you buy one then?

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Is the zombie that made this horrible thread still even around?

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#18  Edited By Bigboi500
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Another day, another new account, another Nintendo troll thread.

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@Sphensen said:

@shawn30 said:

Nintendo should stay in the hand-held market, but go Third-party with their games. The hardware business is just killer and it can and will kill your business. I'm a Xbox One gamer who would absolutely day 1 buy Mario, Zelda and Metroid on the One. The Wii-U is dying a slow, painful death and taking the company with it. There online infrastructure is shit and that's the way the world of gaming is going. I promise you 15 years ago BlockBuster Video here in the States couldn't fathom what they've become now. Sega had to get out the console business. Nintendo is in a strong position obviously, but no company is to big to fail given the right chain of events. Not Sony, MS, Apple or anyone.

There's no shame in producing a product that doesn't sell. It happens all the time and will again to every single company that produces products and services. Sometimes an idea simply fails. What is shameful is being to prideful to see the error and doing nothing to change it. Being so hard-headed that you end up going bankrupt because you won't open your eyes. That's something to be ashamed of.

So if Nintendo had respectable online capabilities and a console on par with the X1 would you buy one then?

If they could support the online multiplayer games like CoD, Battlefield, Left for Dead, ect and was home to a majority of the multiplats I like best like Mass Effect, Elder Scrolls, Madden, ect and yes if the system was on par with the One/PS4 I would buy a new Nintendo system. But buying a console for one or two games, minus the big name multiplats and online services makes no sense to me. Especially since the Wii-U hardware is on par with the 360. Its a complete no sell. I don't care if its the most powerful system, but it has to have third party support, the big games, and at least be on par with its rivals. The Wii-U is over a year old and its new games already look far, far behind the initial One/PS4 launch games that aren't optimized at all. The WII-U, for me, would be a bad investment.

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#20  Edited By Newhopes
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Another fail thread...

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@danabo said:

Wow that blew mine. Lol but great first reply though.

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Maybe they are just biding their time, release a console with more power than xbone and ps4 in 2 or 3 years

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#24  Edited By StrongBlackVine
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@robokill said:

Maybe they are just biding their time, release a console with more power than xbone and ps4 in 2 or 3 years

And what happens when that one fails too? Power didn't keep the Gamecube out of last place. I really don't see Nintendo as a legitimate choice any more.

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#25  Edited By robokill
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@StrongBlackVine said:

@robokill said:

Maybe they are just biding their time, release a console with more power than xbone and ps4 in 2 or 3 years

And what happens when that one fails too? Power didn't keep the Gamecube out of last place. I really don't see Nintendo as a legitimate choice any more.

well me neither, but who knows.

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#26  Edited By MirkoS77
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What I have trouble understanding is this: Nintendo had everything at the height of the Wii's success-billions in the bank, a huge userbase and heavy momentum behind them. Amazing IPs. Large back catalog of games. A position that other companies could only ever hope to wish for.

And during this period, instead of taking action and heavily investing to expand crucial areas of their antiquated infrastructure and business that would be of immense benefit today, they literally did nothing. NOTHING. Every area that they are struggling in currently is a direct result of inaction from years past, not present. Years when the Wii was flooding them with cash.

That to me screams of a monumental lack of leadership and gross mismanagement, not to mention extreme arrogance. I think that Nintendo let the Wii and DS's successes get to their head, and it made them lazy and complacent. They were betting the farm that they could do another gimmick and lean on the Wii's name, expecting all those customers to flock back in droves simply due to the name with little effort on their part.

Now they're scrambling to catch up. How can any company screw up so badly from such success? Really remarkable.

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#27  Edited By Jakandsigz
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@charizard1605 said:

Their spiraling failure is surely the reason that they have the highest selling system this generation as well, right?

They had a one year head start and are literally at the most 500,000 units away from being outsold by both consoles.