Nintendo tells Microsoft to stop twisting reality and S T F U

"According to the independent NPD Group, which tracks software sales in the United States, more than 33 million units of third-party Wii software sold in its first 20 months, compared with about 29 million units for Xbox 360 and about 20 million units for PS3 sold during each of their first 20 months on the market. NPD's tally of third-party software sales 20 months after each console's launch is the only way to make a direct, apples-to-apples comparison of the numbers. Wii remains the best-selling console of this generation" - Nintendo statement

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"According to the independent NPD Group, which tracks software sales in the United States, more than 33 million units of third-party Wii software sold in its first 20 months, compared with about 29 million units for Xbox 360 and about 20 million units for PS3 sold during each of their first 20 months on the market. NPD's tally of third-party software sales 20 months after each console's launch is the only way to make a direct, apples-to-apples comparison of the numbers. Wii remains the best-selling console of this generation" - Nintendo statement

SER69

and npd does not use data from some of the biggest stores in america.

lies, damned lies and statistics

[QUOTE="SER69"]

"According to the independent NPD Group, which tracks software sales in the United States, more than 33 million units of third-party Wii software sold in its first 20 months, compared with about 29 million units for Xbox 360 and about 20 million units for PS3 sold during each of their first 20 months on the market. NPD's tally of third-party software sales 20 months after each console's launch is the only way to make a direct, apples-to-apples comparison of the numbers. Wii remains the best-selling console of this generation" - Nintendo statement

WilliamRLBaker

and npd does not use data from some of the biggest stores in america.

The Reggienator and Shane Kim should have a fight.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="SER69"]

"According to the independent NPD Group, which tracks software sales in the United States, more than 33 million units of third-party Wii software sold in its first 20 months, compared with about 29 million units for Xbox 360 and about 20 million units for PS3 sold during each of their first 20 months on the market. NPD's tally of third-party software sales 20 months after each console's launch is the only way to make a direct, apples-to-apples comparison of the numbers. Wii remains the best-selling console of this generation" - Nintendo statement

blue_hazy_basic

and npd does not use data from some of the biggest stores in america.

close? how is that? we only have npd data to use there is no comparison such as official comparisons...ect most of the time not every company releases detailed sales info on their product. Npd does not collect data from meijer, wal-mart, kmart...ect and these account for something like 30-40% of all game sales being the biggest stores in the world and often times wal-mart is the ONLY store in alot of places, no gamestop, no radioshack and no bestbuy or circuit city.

The Reggienator and Shane Kim should have a fight.

ONLYDOD

lmfao the world would explode from reggies awesome might

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="SER69"]

"According to the independent NPD Group, which tracks software sales in the United States, more than 33 million units of third-party Wii software sold in its first 20 months, compared with about 29 million units for Xbox 360 and about 20 million units for PS3 sold during each of their first 20 months on the market. NPD's tally of third-party software sales 20 months after each console's launch is the only way to make a direct, apples-to-apples comparison of the numbers. Wii remains the best-selling console of this generation" - Nintendo statement

WilliamRLBaker

and npd does not use data from some of the biggest stores in america.

close? how is that? we only have npd data to use there is no comparison such as official comparisons...ect most of the time not every company releases detailed sales info on their product. Npd does not collect data from meijer, wal-mart, kmart...ect and these account for something like 30-40% of all game sales being the biggest stores in the world and often times wal-mart is the ONLY store in alot of places, no gamestop, no radioshack and no bestbuy or circuit city.

"According to the independent NPD Group, which tracks software sales in the United States, more than 33 million units of third-party Wii software sold in its first 20 months, compared with about 29 million units for Xbox 360 and about 20 million units for PS3 sold during each of their first 20 months on the market. NPD's tally of third-party software sales 20 months after each console's launch is the only way to make a direct, apples-to-apples comparison of the numbers. Wii remains the best-selling console of this generation" - Nintendo statement

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SER69

It's such a shame that the wii has 95% garbage games. I have played MANY of them and i'm always so disappointed. Love the 1st party games, hate most if not all 3rd party ones.

[QUOTE="SER69"]

"According to the independent NPD Group, which tracks software sales in the United States, more than 33 million units of third-party Wii software sold in its first 20 months, compared with about 29 million units for Xbox 360 and about 20 million units for PS3 sold during each of their first 20 months on the market. NPD's tally of third-party software sales 20 months after each console's launch is the only way to make a direct, apples-to-apples comparison of the numbers. Wii remains the best-selling console of this generation" - Nintendo statement

WilliamRLBaker

and npd does not use data from some of the biggest stores in america.

That data is accounted for and the projections are nearly as accurate as a hand tally, so just stop with the ignorance already.

[QUOTE="SER69"]

"According to the independent NPD Group, which tracks software sales in the United States, more than 33 million units of third-party Wii software sold in its first 20 months, compared with about 29 million units for Xbox 360 and about 20 million units for PS3 sold during each of their first 20 months on the market. NPD's tally of third-party software sales 20 months after each console's launch is the only way to make a direct, apples-to-apples comparison of the numbers. Wii remains the best-selling console of this generation" - Nintendo statement

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Phazevariance

It's such a shame that the wii has 95% garbage games. I have played MANY of them and i'm always so disappointed. Love the 1st party games, hate most if not all 3rd party ones.

So you actively try to play garbage? That's a funny habit for a gamer. Most people prefer to ignore the garbage and just play what they think are the good games.

man all they can talk about is their sales. talk about some games please!!final_fortress

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="SER69"]

"According to the independent NPD Group, which tracks software sales in the United States, more than 33 million units of third-party Wii software sold in its first 20 months, compared with about 29 million units for Xbox 360 and about 20 million units for PS3 sold during each of their first 20 months on the market. NPD's tally of third-party software sales 20 months after each console's launch is the only way to make a direct, apples-to-apples comparison of the numbers. Wii remains the best-selling console of this generation" - Nintendo statement

blue_hazy_basic

and npd does not use data from some of the biggest stores in america.

close? how is that? we only have npd data to use there is no comparison such as official comparisons...ect most of the time not every company releases detailed sales info on their product. Npd does not collect data from meijer, wal-mart, kmart...ect and these account for something like 30-40% of all game sales being the biggest stores in the world and often times wal-mart is the ONLY store in alot of places, no gamestop, no radioshack and no bestbuy or circuit city.

Don't bother explaining basic statistics to someone who lacks any kind of mathematical aptitude. He's either too young to have studied it, or he's just the kind of person that doesn't have a grasp of math beyond the basics. Either way, it's futile.

[QUOTE="SER69"]

"According to the independent NPD Group, which tracks software sales in the United States, more than 33 million units of third-party Wii software sold in its first 20 months, compared with about 29 million units for Xbox 360 and about 20 million units for PS3 sold during each of their first 20 months on the market. NPD's tally of third-party software sales 20 months after each console's launch is the only way to make a direct, apples-to-apples comparison of the numbers. Wii remains the best-selling console of this generation" - Nintendo statement

WilliamRLBaker

and npd does not use data from some of the biggest stores in america.

I understand that NexGenWars is an invalid source and I sort of understand that VGchartz is an unacceptable source but now the NPD isn't a valid source either?

[QUOTE="ONLYDOD"]

The Reggienator and Shane Kim should have a fight.

NuclearFreedom

lmfao the world would explode from reggies awesome might

He would totally kick his ass, take his name and make a game about how badass he is.

Still , i dont see whats the point here?

Noone said , Wii hasnt many 3rd party games. We dont see many of decent quality though. Not to say way outdated for 08 games. So , what should i play next? Cheers game, to be a cheerleader ?!! (lol?) or Bikini zombie slayer where is number 7 most tracked game on Wii section? ... I mean come on now... Show some Zelda , or SMG2 or ...something good. Bikini zombie slayer??... come on

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="SER69"]

"According to the independent NPD Group, which tracks software sales in the United States, more than 33 million units of third-party Wii software sold in its first 20 months, compared with about 29 million units for Xbox 360 and about 20 million units for PS3 sold during each of their first 20 months on the market. NPD's tally of third-party software sales 20 months after each console's launch is the only way to make a direct, apples-to-apples comparison of the numbers. Wii remains the best-selling console of this generation" - Nintendo statement

Hexagon_777

and npd does not use data from some of the biggest stores in america.

I understand that NexGenWars is an invalid source and I sort of understand that VGchartz is an unacceptable source but now the NPD isn't a valid source either?

Actually, if I recall correctly, WilliamRLBaker is one of those people who actually advocated VGChartz over NPD.

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="SER69"]

"According to the independent NPD Group, which tracks software sales in the United States, more than 33 million units of third-party Wii software sold in its first 20 months, compared with about 29 million units for Xbox 360 and about 20 million units for PS3 sold during each of their first 20 months on the market. NPD's tally of third-party software sales 20 months after each console's launch is the only way to make a direct, apples-to-apples comparison of the numbers. Wii remains the best-selling console of this generation" - Nintendo statement

mjarantilla

and npd does not use data from some of the biggest stores in america.

I understand that NexGenWars is an invalid source and I sort of understand that VGchartz is an unacceptable source but now the NPD isn't a valid source either?

Actually, if I recall correctly, WilliamRLBaker is one of those people who actually advocated VGChartz over NPD.

The Reggienator and Shane Kim should have a fight.

ONLYDOD

id prefer it if they all just beat up cammie or however you spell the stupid snowboarding womans name.

lol Microsoft has played that "we sell more, we've sold more" card alot this gen... conveniently leaving out the one year headstart.

Not that it matters, because it's the truth... but it's only half truth.

Nintendo does have a point. From an aligned launch standpoint, Nintendo does have more 3rd party sales than the other two.

Microsoft has a point that overall, they do have the most 3rd party software sales.

It just really depends on which one 3rd parties will look at as more important. For comparison's sake, I think aligning launches really gives us a good look at how each console is doing from a month to month sales point.

lol Microsoft has played that "we sell more, we've sold more" card alot this gen... conveniently leaving out the one year headstart.

Not that it matters, because it's the truth... but it's only half truth.

carljohnson3456

Don't forget attach rate. They've played that card so many times it gets annoying.

In fact, I remember a time when all the MS fanboys would use the attach rate as a form of ownage and now that the sales numbers are against them, they're discounting sales from the argument.

[QUOTE="final_fortress"]

man all they can talk about is their sales. talk about some games please!!darth-pyschosis

Brilliant. Turning your explanation into a simple conversation between two gamers was an excellent move. Nevertheless, I highly doubt that those ignorant opponents of sales data will understand. Keep it up, though.

correct me if im worng but this is meant as a response to microsofts statement about wiis third party sales being poor. im pretty sure it wasnt that they just deided to release a statement about sales for the hell of it

[QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"][QUOTE="final_fortress"]

man all they can talk about is their sales. talk about some games please!!Hexagon_777

Brilliant. Turning your explanation into a simple conversation between two gamers was an excellent move. Nevertheless, I highly doubt that those ignorant opponents of sales data will understand. Keep it up, though.

Nintendo whispers "God mode enabled"...

:P

I could care less about what Nintendo has to say. So far in this gen, I consider Microsoft to be better than Nintendo. Nintendo abandons their hardcore gamers which they should've never done. They act like they care but after the rumors with Nintendo having a big game in store for us and then showing that Wii Music crap at E3, they've completely lost my respect.

I barely think twice about buying Nintendo systems, but they've done it this time. I never saw that punch coming.

Nintendo could play sales all they want. Microsoft can play sales and deliver what WE want at the same time.

Nintendo could play sales all they want. Microsoft can play sales and deliver what WE want at the same time.

sargentbotk

[QUOTE="sargentbotk"]

Nintendo could play sales all they want. Microsoft can play sales and deliver what WE want at the same time.

SER69

We as in general, not We as in you..You're not THAT special to stand out, out of what? 19 million people?

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Hexagon_777"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

and npd does not use data from some of the biggest stores in america.

SER69

I understand that NexGenWars is an invalid source and I sort of understand that VGchartz is an unacceptable source but now the NPD isn't a valid source either?

Actually, if I recall correctly, WilliamRLBaker is one of those people who actually advocated VGChartz over NPD.

I'm not sure anymore, but I think they still do. But only for hardware shipments. Game sales, IIRC, are not corrected because NPD doesn't release exact game sales for every game.

Nintendo does have a point. From an aligned launch standpoint, Nintendo does have more 3rd party sales than the other two.

Microsoft has a point that overall, they do have the most 3rd party software sales.

It just really depends on which one 3rd parties will look at as more important. For comparison's sake, I think aligning launches really gives us a good look at how each console is doing from a month to month sales point.

Zhengi

man all they can talk about is their sales. talk about some games please!!final_fortress

i have no idea how you miss those '360 outsells ps3 in japan', or 'ps3 outsells 360 in america, again' threads

If anyone actually bothered to read the link it actually said that both companies were right in their particular ways. Third partis have sold more on the 360 since the launch of the wii almost double the amount in fact. However, if you compare the first 20 months of each console respectively then the wii has sold more. Neither of these statistics give a fair picture unless we compare sales of consoles against 3rd party sales. The statistic that is worrying for wii third parties is that they only account for 52% of all wii game sales whereas that statistic is at 82% for the 360.mattacular

I don't get it... They are using the same data that their infamous "Chart of lies" uses. Why not compare sales of the last 20 month for all 3 systems?

Why on Earth would anyone in the 3rd party publishing business care what the 360's 3rd party titles were selling like 3 years ago?

I don't get it... They are using the same data that their infamous "Chart of lies" uses. Why not compare sales of the last 20 month for all 3 systems?

Why on Earth would anyone in the 3rd party publishing business care what the 360's 3rd party titles were selling like 3 years ago?

WillieBeamish

the Wii has been on the market for 20 months... so they are comparing it to each consoles first 20 months. is that so hard to figure out?

[QUOTE="mattacular"]If anyone actually bothered to read the link it actually said that both companies were right in their particular ways. Third partis have sold more on the 360 since the launch of the wii almost double the amount in fact. However, if you compare the first 20 months of each console respectively then the wii has sold more. Neither of these statistics give a fair picture unless we compare sales of consoles against 3rd party sales. The statistic that is worrying for wii third parties is that they only account for 52% of all wii game sales whereas that statistic is at 82% for the 360.darth-pyschosis

[QUOTE="WillieBeamish"]

I don't get it... They are using the same data that their infamous "Chart of lies" uses. Why not compare sales of the last 20 month for all 3 systems?

Why on Earth would anyone in the 3rd party publishing business care what the 360's 3rd party titles were selling like 3 years ago?

ogvampire

the Wii has been on the market for 20 months... so they are comparing it to each consoles first 20 months. is that so hard to figure out?

[QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"][QUOTE="mattacular"]If anyone actually bothered to read the link it actually said that both companies were right in their particular ways. Third partis have sold more on the 360 since the launch of the wii almost double the amount in fact. However, if you compare the first 20 months of each console respectively then the wii has sold more. Neither of these statistics give a fair picture unless we compare sales of consoles against 3rd party sales. The statistic that is worrying for wii third parties is that they only account for 52% of all wii game sales whereas that statistic is at 82% for the 360.mattacular

they dont count the bundled sales of Wiisports, except for Japan where its sold separately.

so your suspicions are false