Nintendo, what will it be?

At E3, Nintendo touted themselves as extending the market by appealing to non-gamers. But how much of it is really non-gamers, people who hadn't picked up a gaming controller or kb+m to game in their entire life?

Well which is it Nintendo. Pick one of these two.

1) You are appealing to non-gamers. Pooling resources away from your usual traditional titles to make things like WiiFit, WiiPlay, WiiSports. That's where your (I believe it is around) 8 million consumers come from.

or

2) You're non-gamers don't exist or exist in a small percentage. You had just gotten your sales from the existing PS2 market which is at 120 million.

So which is it Nintendo. Catering to non-gamers and abandon that 120 million PS2 market? Or is it that you actually aren't catering to non-gamers which you so tout at E3?

What does system wars think? Guys and Gals?

Somehow it's impossible to do both. Nintendo, unlike a few individuals of this forum, don't have a one track mind. They'll do with the Wii what they did and are doing with the DS.

You don't seem to realize what made up the bulk of that "120 million PS2 market."

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On a side note, Nintendo chooses to makes an assload of money. How? By making games that cater to hardcores, casuals, and non-gamers. Even IF the "hardcore" titles were in smaller amounts, there are still enough games to satisfy, and even moreso for casuals and non-gamers as well, they outnumber us by huge numbers.

*points to sig*

Ugh -- Nintendo appeals to a wide variety of people. Their making games for 'casuals' yet i still have the games i want -- in the end thats all that matters

You don't seem to realize what made up the bulk of that "120 million PS2 market."

:|

On a side note, Nintendo chooses to makes an assload of money. How? By making games that cater to hardcores, casuals, and non-gamers. Even IF the "hardcore" titles were in smaller amounts, there are still enough games to satisfy, and even moreso for casuals and non-gamers as well, they outnumber us by huge numbers.

Ganon_919

The bulk of PS2's market was from PS1. And PS1 had truly extended the market away from what the SNES had ever done. No one can deny that.

[QUOTE="Ganon_919"]

You don't seem to realize what made up the bulk of that "120 million PS2 market."

:|

On a side note, Nintendo chooses to makes an assload of money. How? By making games that cater to hardcores, casuals, and non-gamers. Even IF the "hardcore" titles were in smaller amounts, there are still enough games to satisfy, and even moreso for casuals and non-gamers as well, they outnumber us by huge numbers.

NobuoMusicMaker

The bulk of PS2's market was from PS1. And PS1 had truly extended the market away from what the SNES had ever done. No one can deny that.

If that were the case, then how is the Wii alienating said market?

[QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"][QUOTE="Ganon_919"]

You don't seem to realize what made up the bulk of that "120 million PS2 market."

:|

On a side note, Nintendo chooses to makes an assload of money. How? By making games that cater to hardcores, casuals, and non-gamers. Even IF the "hardcore" titles were in smaller amounts, there are still enough games to satisfy, and even moreso for casuals and non-gamers as well, they outnumber us by huge numbers.

Ganon_919

The bulk of PS2's market was from PS1. And PS1 had truly extended the market away from what the SNES had ever done. No one can deny that.

If that were the case, then how is the Wii alienating said market?

Pick one of two options. Clearly, it's not both according to Nintendo.

[QUOTE="Ganon_919"][QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"][QUOTE="Ganon_919"]

You don't seem to realize what made up the bulk of that "120 million PS2 market."

:|

On a side note, Nintendo chooses to makes an assload of money. How? By making games that cater to hardcores, casuals, and non-gamers. Even IF the "hardcore" titles were in smaller amounts, there are still enough games to satisfy, and even moreso for casuals and non-gamers as well, they outnumber us by huge numbers.

NobuoMusicMaker

The bulk of PS2's market was from PS1. And PS1 had truly extended the market away from what the SNES had ever done. No one can deny that.

If that were the case, then how is the Wii alienating said market?

Pick one of two options. Clearly, it's not both according to Nintendo.

Yes it could be both... for all we know, the Wii's fanbase couldbe evenly distributed between non-gamers and the PS2 owners

but Nintendo is reaching out to that non-gamer market, because obviously there are a huge amount of them.

Both. Duh.

Wii Fit, Wii Sports, and Brain Age for non-gamers. The big 3 for gamers.

Yes it could be both... for all we know, the Wii's fanbase couldbe evenly distributed betweennon-gamers, PS2 owners, the Nintendo faithful and other hardcore gamers...

Ganon_919

2.7mil GC fanbase, 2.7mil PS2 fanbase, 2.7 mil nongamers? I don't think it's that straight down the middle.

That article during E3 said 5%. Which is what I say as minimal. 400 thousand.

That's quite a few but a low percentage. Quite frankly, I don't think Nintendo is speaking the truth.

I guess you missed the part of E3 where Nintendo gave stats regarding their userbase.

The casuals from the PS2 era are mainly young boys still, yet Wii has shown to be capable of appealing to both females and older audiences.

So there's your answer.

I guess you missed the part of E3 where Nintendo gave stats regarding their userbase.

The casuals from the PS2 era are mainly young boys still, yet Wii has shown to be capable of appealing to both females and older audiences.

So there's your answer.

karicha9

How could I miss that long drabble of stats touting market domination with mixed console and handheld (GBA and DS) numbers.

How could I miss that long drabble of stats touting market domination with mixed console and handheld (GBA and DS) numbers.

NobuoMusicMaker

I'm guessing it has to do with your attention span.

read the sig

all they did at e3 was say how they got old people to play games and stuff like that. but why should they care? they're rolling around in money while old people and non-gamers play games and what are we supposed to do? settle for wii fit?

[QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

How could I miss that long drabble of stats touting market domination with mixed console and handheld (GBA and DS) numbers.

karicha9

I'm guessing it has to do with your attention span.

You should watch it again then. You certainly missed what I said.

read the sig

all they did at e3 was say how they got old people to play games and stuff like that. but why should they care? they're rolling around in money while old people and non-gamers play games and what are we supposed to do? settle for wii fit?

RacoonusDoodus

Talking about percentages. Not if one or two old people started playing Wii.

[QUOTE="karicha9"][QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

How could I miss that long drabble of stats touting market domination with mixed console and handheld (GBA and DS) numbers.

NobuoMusicMaker

I'm guessing it has to do with your attention span.

You should watch it again then. You certainly missed what I said.

They can attract casuals AND non-gamers. Total sales AND the demographic change clearly show that, both of which were addressed at the keynote.

What you said has no value. It isn't an either/or situation.

They can attract casuals AND non-gamers. Total sales AND the demographic change clearly show that, both of which were addressed at the keynote.

karicha9

No, they did not give the percentage of which are non-gamers. They just had a few charts touting their "market expansion" when they really didn't specify where those numbers came from and if those numbers include people who played games before. They were just expansions from their own market. If they were actually expanding the market, they would have to topple PS2's 120 million mark first.

No, they did not give the percentage of which are non-gamers. They just had a few charts touting their "market expansion" when they really didn't specify where those numbers came from and if those numbers include people who played games before. They were just expansions from their own market. If they were actually expanding the market, they would have to topple PS2's 120 million mark first.

NobuoMusicMaker

The market demographic (in both age AND sex) is different for the Wii than it has been for the total market, as stated by Nintendo in their keynote.

If you want to assume that ONLY non-gamers are on board, the number of females and older individuals playing regularly would be MUCH higher than what Nintendo reported.

If you want to assume that ONLY casuals from the PS2 are coming over to the Wii, then the demographic would be roughly the same as last gen. It isn't.

Therefore, it's a mixture of the two, meaning that Wii is appealing to casuals AND nongamers.

read the sig

all they did at e3 was say how they got old people to play games and stuff like that. but why should they care? they're rolling around in money while old people and non-gamers play games and what are we supposed to do? settle for wii fit?

RacoonusDoodus

[QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

No, they did not give the percentage of which are non-gamers. They just had a few charts touting their "market expansion" when they really didn't specify where those numbers came from and if those numbers include people who played games before. They were just expansions from their own market. If they were actually expanding the market, they would have to topple PS2's 120 million mark first.

karicha9

The market demographic (in both age AND sex) is different for the Wii than it has been for the total market, as stated by Nintendo in their keynote.

If you want to assume that ONLY non-gamers are on board, the number of females and older individuals playing regularly would be MUCH higher than what Nintendo reported.

If you want to assume that ONLY casuals from the PS2 are coming over to the Wii, then the demographic would be roughly the same as last gen. It isn't.

Therefore, it's a mixture of the two, meaning that Wii is appealing to casuals AND nongamers.

Where's your numbers of this mixture? Clearly, Nintendo hasn't shown them so how do you know?

Where's your numbers of this mixture? Clearly, Nintendo hasn't shown them so how do you know?

NobuoMusicMaker

All I have to go off of is the poll that Nintendo reported on at E3. Now, comparing those results with ones made previously by NPD regarding video game demographics, it's clear that the Wii is pulling in both casuals and non-gamers, not just one or the other.

Wii is like the DS to me. Casuals get their games, and I get mine. If casuals wanna waste 50 bucks on a Nintendogs or Brain Training game, go ahead. Just give me SMG and I'm good.nyoroism

Now if only everyone had a brain to understand this.

[QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

Where's your numbers of this mixture? Clearly, Nintendo hasn't shown them so how do you know?

karicha9

All I have to go off of is the poll that Nintendo reported on at E3. Now, comparing those results with ones made previously by NPD regarding video game demographics, it's clear that the Wii is pulling in both casuals and non-gamers, not just one or the other.

My numbers, PS2 120mil. Wii 8 mil.

Clearly, I see no expansion.

[QUOTE="karicha9"][QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

Where's your numbers of this mixture? Clearly, Nintendo hasn't shown them so how do you know?

NobuoMusicMaker

All I have to go off of is the poll that Nintendo reported on at E3. Now, comparing those results with ones made previously by NPD regarding video game demographics, it's clear that the Wii is pulling in both casuals and non-gamers, not just one or the other.

My numbers, PS2 120mil. Wii 8 mil.

Clearly, I see no expansion.

yes thats really fair. lets use the sales for the wii when its been out for almost 9 months and how long has the ps2 been out? yea the ps2 had 120 mil user base on its 1st year. funny how you talk about how you use logic when that isnt the case.

1) You are appealing to non-gamers. Pooling resources away from your usual traditional titles to make things like WiiFit, WiiPlay, WiiSports. That's where your (I believe it is around) 8 million consumers come from.

NobuoMusicMaker

Very little resource gets pooled into making games like Wii Fit. Miyamoto says a game like Wii Fit only takes a few months of development.

Also the 8 million isnt non-gamers only. :roll: Hardcores do buy the system as well.

nintendo needs bashing, the strategy is terrible. Jaster_DCX

Then why have Sony and Microsoft both mentioned pushing forward more casual/non-gamer software to mimmick the Wii's success?

[QUOTE="karicha9"][QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

Where's your numbers of this mixture? Clearly, Nintendo hasn't shown them so how do you know?

NobuoMusicMaker

All I have to go off of is the poll that Nintendo reported on at E3. Now, comparing those results with ones made previously by NPD regarding video game demographics, it's clear that the Wii is pulling in both casuals and non-gamers, not just one or the other.

My numbers, PS2 120mil. Wii 8 mil.

Clearly, I see no expansion.

Yeah, 'cause it's just going to up and sell 120 million in 8 months.

Great logic there.

To the few guys up top, then there's no proof of expansion!

Nintendo's lying about "expanding the market".

To the few guys up top, then there's no proof of expansion!

Nintendo's lying about "expanding the market".

NobuoMusicMaker

wow..............................................:|

To the few guys up top, then there's no proof of expansion!

Nintendo's lying about "expanding the market".

NobuoMusicMaker

I suppose now you're going to tell us who was really responsible for 9/11...?

You don't seem to realize what made up the bulk of that "120 million PS2 market."

:|

On a side note, Nintendo chooses to makes an assload of money. How? By making games that cater to hardcores, casuals, and non-gamers. Even IF the "hardcore" titles were in smaller amounts, there are still enough games to satisfy, and even moreso for casuals and non-gamers as well, they outnumber us by huge numbers.

Ganon_919

[QUOTE="Ganon_919"]

You don't seem to realize what made up the bulk of that "120 million PS2 market."

:|

On a side note, Nintendo chooses to makes an assload of money. How? By making games that cater to hardcores, casuals, and non-gamers. Even IF the "hardcore" titles were in smaller amounts, there are still enough games to satisfy, and even moreso for casuals and non-gamers as well, they outnumber us by huge numbers.

grapefruit21

While I do wonder what it is that Nintendo's planning for '08, I highly doubt they're putting out all of their biggest titles this year in full knowledge of having nothing for next year.

In other words, Nintendo isn't going to blow its wad and then have another drought in '08. If they didn't have anything, they'd have just delayed one or two of the big 3.

[QUOTE="grapefruit21"][QUOTE="Ganon_919"]

You don't seem to realize what made up the bulk of that "120 million PS2 market."

:|

On a side note, Nintendo chooses to makes an assload of money. How? By making games that cater to hardcores, casuals, and non-gamers. Even IF the "hardcore" titles were in smaller amounts, there are still enough games to satisfy, and even moreso for casuals and non-gamers as well, they outnumber us by huge numbers.

Smoke_ManMuscle

While I do wonder what it is that Nintendo's planning for '08, I highly doubt they're putting out all of their biggest titles this year in full knowledge of having nothing for next year.

In other words, Nintendo isn't going to blow its wad and then have another drought in '08. If they didn't have anything, they'd have just delayed one or two of the big 3.

Wii is like the DS to me. Casuals get their games, and I get mine. If casuals wanna waste 50 bucks on a Nintendogs or Brain Training game, go ahead. Just give me SMG and I'm good.nyoroism

Totally agreed. Although there are some decent non gamer games on the DS as well like Brainage anda few interesting puzzle games, but at least the awesomehardcore games like Lunar Knights and Magical Starsign exist.

[QUOTE="Smoke_ManMuscle"][QUOTE="grapefruit21"][QUOTE="Ganon_919"]

You don't seem to realize what made up the bulk of that "120 million PS2 market."

:|

On a side note, Nintendo chooses to makes an assload of money. How? By making games that cater to hardcores, casuals, and non-gamers. Even IF the "hardcore" titles were in smaller amounts, there are still enough games to satisfy, and even moreso for casuals and non-gamers as well, they outnumber us by huge numbers.

grapefruit21

While I do wonder what it is that Nintendo's planning for '08, I highly doubt they're putting out all of their biggest titles this year in full knowledge of having nothing for next year.

In other words, Nintendo isn't going to blow its wad and then have another drought in '08. If they didn't have anything, they'd have just delayed one or two of the big 3.

Nintendo has always been tight lipped about upcomming stuff. I can tell you one thing, expect Punchout wii to be hitting stores in the second half of next year. Its gonna happen.

how many threads do you make a day?kingpoopa84

Him? About 4-7.

how many threads do you make a day?kingpoopa84

Too many concerning Nintendo if you ask me.