nintendo would be so much better off being a software house

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#1 taiwwa
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What's keeping them from doing this? It's so obvious. 

Nintendo being nintendo, they could probably even negotiate like a preferred royalty rate from Sony, MS, and Apple.

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#2 SolidTy
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So far, they have done fine.

For now that's the status quo despite the young Wii U's current dissapointing game and sales forcast.

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#3 StrongBlackVine
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I think the games would be worse if they did that. They should keep the status quo even though their consoles suck lately.

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#4 psymon100
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I know what you're trying to say, that they should give up hardware. They are already a software company, and a hardware company. 

Who makes the world most popular handheld gaming systems?

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No.
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#6 OreoMilkshake
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Nintendo games suck but I want them on my console.
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When is this going to stop? I would laugh if Sony develops games on Nintendo console than the reverse. Irony at its finest.
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#8 I_can_haz
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I think you're right in a way OP. I think they should keep their handhelds but its obvious they don't have a clue with their consoles. I think they should leave consoles to MS and Sony to be honest.

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#9 ChubbyGuy40
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Nintendo has no competition whatsoever in the handheld market. They also make fantastic consoles (more reliable/well built ones too.)

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You know what I realize? Everyone wants to play Nintendo games but not on Nintendo systems.
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#11 zassimick  Moderator
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I disagree. You may not have enjoyed the Wii but the console sold an incredible amount of systems, more than the 360 and the PS3. 

And not talking about sales, we wouldn't have gotten an experience like Skyward Sword or other games. The latest Zelda title wasn't my favorite Zelda game by any stretch of the imagination but it was unique in its gameplay, something that we couldn't have had on other systems at this time. 

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#12 deactivated-5b78379493e12
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This thread topic pops up far too often. It's overdone.

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#13 taiwwa
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I know what you're trying to say, that they should give up hardware. They are already a software company, and a hardware company. 

Who makes the world most popular handheld gaming systems?

psymon100

Apple.

It would make sense for them to quit the home console biz the most. It does make some sense to stay in the portable biz though.

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I disagree. You may not have enjoyed the Wii but the console sold an incredible amount of systems, more than the 360 and the PS3. 

And not talking about sales, we wouldn't have gotten an experience like Skyward Sword or other games. The latest Zelda title wasn't my favorite Zelda game by any stretch of the imagination but it was unique in its gameplay, something that we couldn't have had on other systems at this time. 

Zassimick

Skyward sword could have been done better with the PS Move.

I'm not kidding. Especially the latest PS move with the dual lens and 60 FPS (old one was 30 FPS)

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#15 taiwwa
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You know what I realize? Everyone wants to play Nintendo games but not on Nintendo systems.Shottayouth13-

Do you know what would pop sales?

Say that with every new purchase of a console, you get unlimited access to everything nintendo made 16 bit down.

It would be cheap and get lots of sales of it.

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[QUOTE="psymon100"]

I know what you're trying to say, that they should give up hardware. They are already a software company, and a hardware company. 

Who makes the world most popular handheld gaming systems?

taiwwa

Apple.

It would make sense for them to quit the home console biz the most. It does make some sense to stay in the portable biz though.

Apple, yeah right. I get your angle there. They make a device which is multifunction, and it is possible to use it for games. It's a good angle and I suspect you were being facetious, I lol'd. 

I won't sugar coat this - Wii U's been disappointing for me. But, I still think the actual console and GamePad are great, it just needs it's library fattening up swiftly. I mean, really swiftly. Get the Wii U's library on a diet of pure butter only immediately. 

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i wounder how many millions of copies of pokemon they could sell if they made it able on their handhelds/ adrioid market, pc and consoles. I know i only buy ds solely just for Pokemon.
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You know what I realize? Everyone wants to play Nintendo games but not on Nintendo systems.Shottayouth13-
Yeah, there are so many hypocrites in SW. They feel so insecure playing on Nintendo consoles. I imagine they get to their homes and say "Deep down I love Nintendo but I can say that to my dudebro "friend"! " Long story short, there won't be a lack of these threads ever.
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[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"]You know what I realize? Everyone wants to play Nintendo games but not on Nintendo systems.taiwwa

Do you know what would pop sales?

Say that with every new purchase of a console, you get unlimited access to everything nintendo made 16 bit down.

It would be cheap and get lots of sales of it.

So why limit such a model to only Nintendo? They're not desperate.
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#20 I_can_haz
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Nintendo has no competition whatsoever in the handheld market. They also make fantastic consoles (more reliable/well built ones too.)

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ipads, iphones, and android smartphones say hello.
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#21 psymon100
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[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

Nintendo has no competition whatsoever in the handheld market. They also make fantastic consoles (more reliable/well built ones too.)

I_can_haz

ipads, iphones, and android smartphones say hello.

Ugh. You seriously think they compete directly against Nintendo's handhelds?

Chubbyguy is not wrong. 

Edit: Does the Toyota Corolla compete against the Ferrari 599 for sales? No. They're in two completely different markets. 

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[QUOTE="I_can_haz"][QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

Nintendo has no competition whatsoever in the handheld market. They also make fantastic consoles (more reliable/well built ones too.)

psymon100

ipads, iphones, and android smartphones say hello.

Ugh. You seriously think they compete directly against Nintendo's handhelds?

Chubbyguy is not wrong. 

They do hence the fact that 3DS ain't doing so hot in western markets.
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[QUOTE="psymon100"]

[QUOTE="I_can_haz"]ipads, iphones, and android smartphones say hello.I_can_haz

Ugh. You seriously think they compete directly against Nintendo's handhelds?

Chubbyguy is not wrong. 

They do hence the fact that 3DS ain't doing so hot in western markets.

'Ain't doing so hot'

Any numbers to back up that statement?

Do you really think when Apple are designing their idevices they're really thinking about edging out the Nintendo 3DS? I'd be thinking about Samsung, Motorola, Nokia. Not to mention Android and Windows phone. 

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[QUOTE="I_can_haz"][QUOTE="psymon100"]

Ugh. You seriously think they compete directly against Nintendo's handhelds?

Chubbyguy is not wrong. 

psymon100

They do hence the fact that 3DS ain't doing so hot in western markets.

'Ain't doing so hot'

Any numbers to back up that statement?

Do you really think when Apple are designing their idevices they're really thinking about edging out the Nintendo 3DS? I'd be thinking about Samsung, Motorola, Nokia. Not to mention Android and Windows phone. 

They aren't trying to compete directly with the 3DS but fact of the matter is that they are eating software sales for the 3DS in the west. Especially with those $0.99 games. Hardware sales for 3DS are still good but software is lagging due to ipads and smartphones in the west. I thought this was common knowledge. Link: http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/185798/Nintendos_lagging_3DS_sales_present_a_chicken_and_egg_conundrum.php#.UT_VjxmtIn0/
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#25 zassimick  Moderator
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Skyward sword could have been done better with the PS Move.

I'm not kidding. Especially the latest PS move with the dual lens and 60 FPS (old one was 30 FPS)

taiwwa

That may be but the Move may not have been here without the Wii, at least not this soon. I'm not at all saying Sony copied Nintendo, but I don't know if we would have had the motion-gaming renaissance we had without Nintendo sparking the flame. Another reason why, for now, Nintendo is still suited well for creating consoles and games instead of just being a software house. 

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#26 ChubbyGuy40
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ipads, iphones, and android smartphones say hello.I_can_haz

Those are mobiles, not handhelds.

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#27 Shottayouth13-
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[QUOTE="psymon100"]

[QUOTE="I_can_haz"]They do hence the fact that 3DS ain't doing so hot in western markets.I_can_haz

'Ain't doing so hot'

Any numbers to back up that statement?

Do you really think when Apple are designing their idevices they're really thinking about edging out the Nintendo 3DS? I'd be thinking about Samsung, Motorola, Nokia. Not to mention Android and Windows phone. 

They aren't trying to compete directly with the 3DS but fact of the matter is that they are eating software sales for the 3DS in the west. Especially with those $0.99 games. Hardware sales for 3DS are still good but software is lagging due to ipads and smartphones in the west. I thought this was common knowledge. Link: http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/185798/Nintendos_lagging_3DS_sales_present_a_chicken_and_egg_conundrum.php#.UT_VjxmtIn0/

Actually, the 3DS is selling at around the same pace as the original DS. So although these new mobile platforms might be a factor, it's not by a big amount.
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#28 Kjranu
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What's keeping them from doing this? It's so obvious. 

Nintendo being nintendo, they could probably even negotiate like a preferred royalty rate from Sony, MS, and Apple.

taiwwa
99 million Wii owners disagree. ;)
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What's keeping them from doing this? It's so obvious. 

Nintendo being nintendo, they could probably even negotiate like a preferred royalty rate from Sony, MS, and Apple.

taiwwa
What's stopping them is that the hardware sales help fund the software sales, and vice versa. The release games on their own schedule. Being a 3rd party, they'd have to meet deadlines, and eventually quality would drop because of internal relations.
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I'm going to go ahead and LOL at everything said in this thread so far.
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if they went software only..i dont think they would be able to charge ridiculous prices for thier products over a number of yearas..or am i wrong?
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if they went software only..i dont think they would be able to charge ridiculous prices for thier products over a number of yearas..or am i wrong?campzor
I'm not understanding the implication here. As a business, Nintendo exists to make money. Are you saying they are wrong to make money?
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[QUOTE="campzor"]if they went software only..i dont think they would be able to charge ridiculous prices for thier products over a number of yearas..or am i wrong?DropsofJupiter
I'm not understanding the implication here. As a business, Nintendo exists to make money. Are you saying they are wrong to make money?

Could be love for the business, then again the head sounds like hes too old to deal with young pricks.
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[QUOTE="campzor"]if they went software only..i dont think they would be able to charge ridiculous prices for thier products over a number of yearas..or am i wrong?DropsofJupiter
I'm not understanding the implication here. As a business, Nintendo exists to make money. Are you saying they are wrong to make money?

As a matter of fact, yes, they should give us everything and letting us eat the cake too. We want high end graphic consoles for 100 bucks and high production games for 20 bucks.
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[QUOTE="campzor"]if they went software only..i dont think they would be able to charge ridiculous prices for thier products over a number of yearas..or am i wrong?DropsofJupiter
I'm not understanding the implication here. As a business, Nintendo exists to make money. Are you saying they are wrong to make money?

im not saying anything is "wrong" But nintendo overprice everything. MK Wii is freaken full price still...
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#36 taiwwa
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Nintendo could charge full price longer. Like Blizzard does. 

Hardware ties up capital that could be used to run more software studios profitably. I expect them to suffer a loss because of hardware soon with the wii U

Plus, we saw the the 360 and PS3 how badly the big two lost money on them. Nintendo should have taken the opportunity to piggyback off of their investment. 

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#37 Timstuff
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[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

Nintendo has no competition whatsoever in the handheld market. They also make fantastic consoles (more reliable/well built ones too.)

I_can_haz
ipads, iphones, and android smartphones say hello.

An HTC One X Plus is more powerful than either the 3DS or Vita, and even though there are not a lot of games right now that support controllers, the library is rapidly growing. Playing mine with a Moga has pretty much replaced my PSP. The only downside is that the bluetooth connection for the controller drains the battery faster, but I think that in the future we will see more gaming phones that either connect to a controller via a connector strip (like a phone version of the Asus Transformer Prime) or a USB cable and universal mounting bracket. Once there's a true standard available for Android controller protocols, I think smartphones will finish eating whatever is left of the handheld market.
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#38 Valknut4
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Nintendo games suck but I want them on my console.OreoMilkshake

 

QFT, although I can't help but agree that maybe their console run should end. Maybe focus on their handhelds.

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[QUOTE="DropsofJupiter"][QUOTE="campzor"]if they went software only..i dont think they would be able to charge ridiculous prices for thier products over a number of yearas..or am i wrong?campzor
I'm not understanding the implication here. As a business, Nintendo exists to make money. Are you saying they are wrong to make money?

im not saying anything is "wrong" But nintendo overprice everything. MK Wii is freaken full price still...

That's not Nintendo overpricing stuff, it's the market. Pure capitalism. If there was less demand for the product, the price would drop so that the sales would remain stable. The only reason Mario Kart Wii (and other Nintendo games) retain their price is because they never stop selling. If other companies ever had a product which sold as well as consistently as Nintendo's stuff does, then they would never drop the price either (and you'd have to deal with crap like day one DLC, online passes, and sh*t like that, which you never have to with Nintendo).
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#40 DropsofJupiter
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[QUOTE="I_can_haz"][QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

Nintendo has no competition whatsoever in the handheld market. They also make fantastic consoles (more reliable/well built ones too.)

Timstuff
ipads, iphones, and android smartphones say hello.

An HTC One X Plus is more powerful than either the 3DS or Vita, and even though there are not a lot of games right now that support controllers, the library is rapidly growing. Playing mine with a Moga has pretty much replaced my PSP. The only downside is that the bluetooth connection for the controller drains the battery faster, but I think that in the future we will see more gaming phones that either connect to a controller via a connector strip (like a phone version of the Asus Transformer Prime) or a USB cable and universal mounting bracket. Once there's a true standard available for Android controller protocols, I think smartphones will finish eating whatever is left of the handheld market.

I remember your last batch of '3DS is doomed!!!' predictions :3 If this new round goes as well as the last one, I don't think Nintendo has anything to worry about.
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#41 Sagem28
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-They won last gen.

-Have the first Next gen console on the market

-Are decimating the Handheld market.

Stay CIassy, OP.

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#42 zorgan
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The question is: Through the years, have we been Fans of Nintendo or Myamoto? The sure thing is that something has changed and I came to wonder if what we are seing now is actually the reality of a Nintendo without a Myamoto. The chicken bringing the golden eggs is about to retire and the truth is about to come out! and The truth is that there is no Nintendo without a Myamoto. For that reason Nintendo is bound to die with him. I think we should better do one last celebration for the BIG N and our dear beloved Myamoto and accept the fact that THIS IS THE END. Like a lot of you I have been hoping and waiting and imagining the next great games for the last 5-7 years but somehow I knew It was never gonna come, why? well simply because the one behing all of this is slowly moving away from it all. The Wii and now the wii u are mostly Myamoto idea and plans that have been put together by Nintendo hoping to squeeze the last juice out of him. and even though you can feel the Myamoto input, evertyhing Nintendo now feels half baked. Lets face It, Myamoto is Nintendo and no more Myamoto means no more Nintendo its that simple.