Nintendo's Failure 20 Years in the Making

Im actually doing a research paper on it and looking back to the NES/Sega Master System days, i came across a consistancy that im sure u all know about. comparing those two systems, u'll find that the SMS was a better system in terms of its hardware. going on to the Gameboy and the Gamegear, again... the GG has better and brighter visuals to the gameboy, mostly due to the light screen. on to the N64 and playstation, even though the n 64 was more powerful, games on the PS focused heavily on the visuals. (moving on past gamecube since it was better than the ps2)... DS and PSP. PSP has better visuals, rivaling the ps2. now the wii. this is a given, since the 360 and ps3 are far more powerful than the wii with tons of gigs in storage space, and HD.

nintendo over the years was able to get away with their lack in technical advancement because of their innovation, great games, and exclusitivity. now that the industry is much larger than it was 10, 20 years ago, and the fact that technology is growing faster than it has ever before in gaming... nintendo cant really get away with taking a back seat when it comes to hardware. for now, the wii is an exception, as its sales topple the competition. but gaming has come so far, and developers are looking towards other consoles that aren't capable on nintendo's. do u think that nintendo should focus more on putting their money (god knows they have a hell of a lot) towards pushing the hardware AND innovating? this is just my opinion, but i think that if nintendo continues down this path that they've chosen, it might come to a dead end.

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nintendo over the years was able to get away with their lack in technical advancement because of their innovation, great games, and exclusitivity. now that the industry is much larger than it was 10, 20 years ago, and the fact that technology is growing faster than it has ever before in gaming... nintendo cant really get away with taking a back seat when it comes to hardware. for now, the wii is an exception, as its sales topple the competition. but gaming has come so far, and developers are looking towards other consoles that aren't capable on nintendo's. do u think that nintendo should focus more on putting their money (god knows they have a hell of a lot) towards pushing the hardware AND innovating? this is just my opinion, but i think that if nintendo continues down this path that they've chosen, it might come to a dead end.

lets analyse this again. some of the nintendo fanboys take offence to this thinking that this is a shot at nintendo. so what, a sheep like me can look critically at nintendo? the only systems that nintendo has achieved most powerful compaired to the competition is the SNES and the N64. every, let me repeat that, EVERY other nintendo console has been beaten technically by one, or more of the competing systems. so yes, nintendo has focused more on gameplay than anything else. my information is wrong? wasnt the SMS more powerful than the NES? wasnt the gamegear more powerful than the gameboy? wasnt the x box more powerful than the gc? isnt the psp more powerful than the ds? i rest my case. my point being, this is a pattern that's worked for nintendo for years, as they were very successful in the past. but they havent won a home console war since the SNES. look at the sales for the n64 and gc.

thats it for the history lesson. now lets look at the present. we all know that the wii has more sales than the competion, but how long is that going to last? there has been much critisism that wii is too week, thus effecting sales. how so? how about those who made a ps3/360 investment because of the wii' lack in graphic capability? that effects sales, whether wii is in first of not. now lets look at development. if u even bother to check wii lineup for 08, its much smaller than the ps3's and 360's. developers r turning to those consoles because find that the games that they want to create isnt possible on the wii. not take note: the difference between the wii and the competion is vastly greater then any of nintendo's past generations. devs could have gotten away with porting over a game to another one of nintendo's console, they cant do it this time. its too inferior. sataru iwata said it himself, "developers need to stop putting their c and d teams to develop one the wii and start putting their A teams to develop for the wii" (or something along those lines) so theres a clear third party issue due to nintendo's inferior console, as more devs choose to go elsewhere. im not saying that graphics determine sales, that was never stated in my post, all im saying is that if nintendo continues to offer something less, that consumors and devs alike might get tired of it, and that atleast with "wii2" they bump of the specs atleast close to what the other two r offering and that should very well help nintendo. i mean, who doesnt want to see samus, mario, and link in HD?

SNES was more powerfull than the genesis, it outsold the genesis

Hardware isn't just about graphics. Nintendo did put some thought into this gen's hardware and decided to be successful they needed it to be a new kind of fun (so they added motion controls) and accessible (aka cheaper) And as it turns out it did make them successful this gen.

So saying they didn't put any thought into hardware or have inferior hardware just isnt correct. Your focusing on graphical power and should use words that mean that specifically.

i sure hope you're not actually writing a paper on this, because you have absolutely no solid facts to back your argument up

actually, if you look at the sales figures, you will see that the DS and wii are by far the leaders in their markets....and they all have vastly inferior hardware when compared to the competition

that fact alone should shut your argument down immediately

What are you talking about? Almost everything you said was wrong, looks like you failed your essay.

Im actually doing a research paper on it and looking back to the NES/Sega Master System days, i came across a consistancy that im sure u all know about. comparing those two systems, u'll find that the SMS was a better system in terms of its hardware. going on to the Gameboy and the Gamegear, again... the GG has better and brighter visuals to the gameboy, mostly due to the light screen. on to the N64 and playstation, even though the n 64 was more powerful, games on the PS focused heavily on the visuals. (moving on past gamecube since it was better than the ps2)... DS and PSP. PSP has better visuals, rivaling the ps2. now the wii. this is a given, since the 360 and ps3 are far more powerful than the wii with tons of gigs in storage space, and HD.

nintendo over the years was able to get away with their lack in technical advancement because of their innovation, great games, and exclusitivity. now that the industry is much larger than it was 10, 20 years ago, and the fact that technology is growing faster than it has ever before in gaming... nintendo cant really get away with taking a back seat when it comes to hardware. for now, the wii is an exception, as its sales topple the competition. but gaming has come so far, and developers are looking towards other consoles that aren't capable on nintendo's. do u think that nintendo should focus more on putting their money (god knows they have a hell of a lot) towards pushing the hardware AND innovating? this is just my opinion, but i think that if nintendo continues down this path that they've chosen, it might come to a dead end.

mrjam0

Wait, what? Lack of technical advancement? Nintendo's been leading console technology since the NES. Only the Xbox beat the GameCube technology.

Im actually doing a research paper on it and looking back to the NES/Sega Master System days, i came across a consistancy that im sure u all know about. comparing those two systems, u'll find that the SMS was a better system in terms of its hardware. going on to the Gameboy and the Gamegear, again... the GG has better and brighter visuals to the gameboy, mostly due to the light screen. on to the N64 and playstation, even though the n 64 was more powerful, games on the PS focused heavily on the visuals. (moving on past gamecube since it was better than the ps2)... DS and PSP. PSP has better visuals, rivaling the ps2. now the wii. this is a given, since the 360 and ps3 are far more powerful than the wii with tons of gigs in storage space, and HD.

nintendo over the years was able to get away with their lack in technical advancement because of their innovation, great games, and exclusitivity. now that the industry is much larger than it was 10, 20 years ago, and the fact that technology is growing faster than it has ever before in gaming... nintendo cant really get away with taking a back seat when it comes to hardware. for now, the wii is an exception, as its sales topple the competition. but gaming has come so far, and developers are looking towards other consoles that aren't capable on nintendo's. do u think that nintendo should focus more on putting their money (god knows they have a hell of a lot) towards pushing the hardware AND innovating? this is just my opinion, but i think that if nintendo continues down this path that they've chosen, it might come to a dead end.

mrjam0

the Wii is the ONLY time that they take a back seat when it comes to hardware. Why have 3 identical (hardware-wise) consoles in the market at the same time? look what happened last gen with nintendo.

[QUOTE="mrjam0"]

Im actually doing a research paper on it and looking back to the NES/Sega Master System days, i came across a consistancy that im sure u all know about. comparing those two systems, u'll find that the SMS was a better system in terms of its hardware. going on to the Gameboy and the Gamegear, again... the GG has better and brighter visuals to the gameboy, mostly due to the light screen. on to the N64 and playstation, even though the n 64 was more powerful, games on the PS focused heavily on the visuals. (moving on past gamecube since it was better than the ps2)... DS and PSP. PSP has better visuals, rivaling the ps2. now the wii. this is a given, since the 360 and ps3 are far more powerful than the wii with tons of gigs in storage space, and HD.

nintendo over the years was able to get away with their lack in technical advancement because of their innovation, great games, and exclusitivity. now that the industry is much larger than it was 10, 20 years ago, and the fact that technology is growing faster than it has ever before in gaming... nintendo cant really get away with taking a back seat when it comes to hardware. for now, the wii is an exception, as its sales topple the competition. but gaming has come so far, and developers are looking towards other consoles that aren't capable on nintendo's. do u think that nintendo should focus more on putting their money (god knows they have a hell of a lot) towards pushing the hardware AND innovating? this is just my opinion, but i think that if nintendo continues down this path that they've chosen, it might come to a dead end.

mjarantilla

Wait, what? Lack of technical advancement? Nintendo's been leading console technology since the NES. Only the Xbox beat the GameCube technology.

actually the master system was more powerfull than the NES

gamegear was more powerfull than the gameboy

neo-geo pocket color was more powerfull than the gameboy colour, but other than these 3 examples i agree with you, nintendo was never really one for low spec machines

Nintendo isn't holding back on technical prowress because they lack the money. They are doing it because they feel that a cheaper, less powerful console is a good alternative to the technical showcases that are the X360 and the PS3.

And, guess what? They're right, and the sales prove it.

Nintendo isn't holding back on technical prowress because they lack the money. They are doing it because they feel that a cheaper, less powerful console is a good alternative to the technical showcases that are the X360 and the PS3.

And, guess what? They're right, and the sales prove it.

Rev3nger

Its all about the motion controls and cheap. It has nothing to do with being good.

[QUOTE="obsolete2k1"]did this exact post not do well enough in the Wii forum? you failed there, you'll fail here.Coyo7e

All you will get here are the legions of NIntendo Fanboys on these forums 24/7 because they dont have games to play ( or jobs or girl friends). They view anything said about nintendo that is not in the vein of "they are gods" as fanboyism.

Go read your comic books until SSB comes out.

you sound bitter

don't be so mad :lol:

[QUOTE="Rev3nger"]

Nintendo isn't holding back on technical prowress because they lack the money. They are doing it because they feel that a cheaper, less powerful console is a good alternative to the technical showcases that are the X360 and the PS3.

And, guess what? They're right, and the sales prove it.

Coyo7e

Its all about the motion controls and cheap. It has nothing to do with being good.

yet people enjoy it and buy it even though it isnt good? Yeah right..

did this exact post not do well enough in the Wii forum? you failed there, you'll fail here.obsolete2k1

had to switch it over to system, cant help it. and u fail for being narrow minded

[QUOTE="obsolete2k1"]did this exact post not do well enough in the Wii forum? you failed there, you'll fail here.Coyo7e

All you will get here are the legions of NIntendo Fanboys on these forums 24/7 because they dont have games to play ( or jobs or girl friends). They view anything said about nintendo that is not in the vein of "they are gods" as fanboyism.

Go read your comic books until SSB comes out.

Just based on how distorted what you're saying is, I'm assuming this is before you've done the "research" part of your "research paper". Seriously, you're just going to skip the SNES, dismiss the N64 with a misguided platitude, ignore the GCN and the GBA, and claim that technology is key when, with the exception of the SNES generation, the most powerful system has never won the sales battle? I hope for the sake of your GPA that your teacher doesn't know much about video games.Hoffgod

not to mention the fact that he completely dismisses the success of the DS and wii

[QUOTE="obsolete2k1"]did this exact post not do well enough in the Wii forum? you failed there, you'll fail here.Coyo7e

All you will get here are the legions of NIntendo Fanboys on these forums 24/7 because they dont have games to play ( or jobs or girl friends). They view anything said about nintendo that is not in the vein of "they are gods" as fanboyism.

Go read your comic books until SSB comes out.

[QUOTE="Coyo7e"]

[QUOTE="obsolete2k1"]did this exact post not do well enough in the Wii forum? you failed there, you'll fail here.CyberRuler

All you will get here are the legions of NIntendo Fanboys on these forums 24/7 because they dont have games to play ( or jobs or girl friends). They view anything said about nintendo that is not in the vein of "they are gods" as fanboyism.

Go read your comic books until SSB comes out.

haha i second. I mean really good thing your not a geek, you know beeing on gamespot system wars forums. and you clearly have much better things to do then put down nintendo fanboys like...well...sorry i guess all you do is put us down, way to be. Kudos.

and no one likes stereotyping buddy give it a rest

nintendo over the years was able to get away with their lack in technical advancement because of their innovation, great games, and exclusitivity. now that the industry is much larger than it was 10, 20 years ago, and the fact that technology is growing faster than it has ever before in gaming... nintendo cant really get away with taking a back seat when it comes to hardware. for now, the wii is an exception, as its sales topple the competition. but gaming has come so far, and developers are looking towards other consoles that aren't capable on nintendo's. do u think that nintendo should focus more on putting their money (god knows they have a hell of a lot) towards pushing the hardware AND innovating? this is just my opinion, but i think that if nintendo continues down this path that they've chosen, it might come to a dead end.

lets analyse this again. some of the nintendo fanboys take offence to this thinking that this is a shot at nintendo. so what, a sheep like me can look critically at nintendo? the only systems that nintendo has achieved most powerful compaired to the competition is the SNES and the N64. every, let me repeat that, EVERY other nintendo console has been beaten technically by one, or more of the competing systems. so yes, nintendo has focused more on gameplay than anything else. my information is wrong? wasnt the SMS more powerful than the NES? wasnt the gamegear more powerful than the gameboy? wasnt the x box more powerful than the gc? isnt the psp more powerful than the ds? i rest my case. my point being, this is a pattern that's worked for nintendo for years, as they were very successful in the past. but they havent won a home console war since the SNES. look at the sales for the n64 and gc.

thats it for the history lesson. now lets look at the present. we all know that the wii has more sales than the competion, but how long is that going to last? there has been much critisism that wii is too week, thus effecting sales. how so? how about those who made a ps3/360 investment because of the wii' lack in graphic capability? that effects sales, whether wii is in first of not. now lets look at development. if u even bother to check wii lineup for 08, its much smaller than the ps3's and 360's. developers r turning to those consoles because find that the games that they want to create isnt possible on the wii. not take note: the difference between the wii and the competion is vastly greater then any of nintendo's past generations. devs could have gotten away with porting over a game to another one of nintendo's console, they cant do it this time. its too inferior. sataru iwata said it himself, "developers need to stop putting their c and d teams to develop one the wii and start putting their A teams to develop for the wii" (or something along those lines) so theres a clear third party issue due to nintendo's inferior console, as more devs choose to go elsewhere. im not saying that graphics determine sales, that was never stated in my post, all im saying is that if nintendo continues to offer something less, that consumors and devs alike might get tired of it, and that atleast with "wii2" they bump of the specs atleast close to what the other two r offering and that should very well help nintendo. i mean, who doesnt want to see samus, mario, and link in HD?

If I were you, I would be quite embarassed by your post.

First of all, let me just say that worst hardware =/= failure (just look at the PS2).

Second of all, your "facts" are infact.... not facts. :)

Nintendo = lack of technical advancement?

They owned that field for 20 years.

Not anymore though.

[QUOTE="obsolete2k1"]did this exact post not do well enough in the Wii forum? you failed there, you'll fail here.Coyo7e

All you will get here are the legions of NIntendo Fanboys on these forums 24/7 because they dont have games to play ( or jobs or girl friends). They view anything said about nintendo that is not in the vein of "they are gods" as fanboyism.

Go read your comic books until SSB comes out.

Moooooooooooooo

SNES was more powerfull than the genesis, it outsold the genesis

stika

Genesis did have more speed though, thanks to a higher clocked cpu.

This doesn't take away your point though.

Just based on how distorted what you're saying is, I'm assuming this is before you've done the "research" part of your "research paper". Seriously, you're just going to skip the SNES, dismiss the N64 with a misguided platitude, ignore the GCN and the GBA, and claim that technology is key when, with the exception of the SNES generation, the most powerful system has never won the sales battle? I hope for the sake of your GPA that your teacher doesn't know much about video games.Hoffgod

good one buddy

Just based on how distorted what you're saying is, I'm assuming this is before you've done the "research" part of your "research paper". Seriously, you're just going to skip the SNES, dismiss the N64 with a misguided platitude, ignore the GCN and the GBA, and claim that technology is key when, with the exception of the SNES generation, the most powerful system has never won the sales battle? I hope for the sake of your GPA that your teacher doesn't know much about video games.Hoffgod

I have to agree.

If you wanted to create a solid paper on something like this, you would need to attack this from a different angle. you would need to show how Nintendo has missed some "key" technologies over the last three generations that have slowed its sales. The N64 went with cartridges instaed of CD-Roms, the Cube went with a smaller disc size, and the Wii's hardware, with the exception of the controls, is an entire gaming generation behind.

The Wii will be the toughest one to prove, because of the console's sales going so well. So you'll have to reference other aspects such as lack of solid third-party support. You'll have to show how many top-selling third-party franchises are not coming to the Wii because of the hardware issues, depite the fact that many of these games are going to the other platforms: Devil May Cry, Burnout, Soul Caliber, Resident Evil, etc. Moreover, you'll have to prove how this could cause the Wii's sales to falter in the future, because of its inability to keep up. This won't be an easy task.

[QUOTE="Hoffgod"]Just based on how distorted what you're saying is, I'm assuming this is before you've done the "research" part of your "research paper". Seriously, you're just going to skip the SNES, dismiss the N64 with a misguided platitude, ignore the GCN and the GBA, and claim that technology is key when, with the exception of the SNES generation, the most powerful system has never won the sales battle? I hope for the sake of your GPA that your teacher doesn't know much about video games.standarddamage

I have to agree.

If you wanted to create a solid paper on something like this, you would need to attack this from a different angle. you would need to show how Nintendo has missed some "key" technologies over the last three generations that have slowed its sales. The N64 went with cartridges instaed of CD-Roms, the Cube went with a smaller disc size, and the Wii's hardware, with the exception of the controls, is an entire gaming generation behind.

The Wii will be the toughest one to prove, because of the console's sales going so well. So you'll have to reference other aspects such as lack of solid third-party support. You'll have to show how many top-selling third-party franchises are not coming to the Wii because of the hardware issues, depite the fact that many of these games are going to the other platforms: Devil May Cry, Burnout, Soul Caliber, Resident Evil, etc. Moreover, you'll have to prove how this could cause the Wii's sales to falter in the future, because of its inability to keep up. This won't be an easy task.

1 my paper is on a different topic, its about nintendo altering gaming, 2 i changed my topic just for the herd of sheep invading my thread. u'll notice that the second part is very similar to what u said, and its due to hardware.

[QUOTE="obsolete2k1"]did this exact post not do well enough in the Wii forum? you failed there, you'll fail here.Coyo7e

All you will get here are the legions of NIntendo Fanboys on these forums 24/7 because they dont have games to play ( or jobs or girl friends). They view anything said about nintendo that is not in the vein of "they are gods" as fanboyism.

Go read your comic books until SSB comes out.

The irony is strong in this one. :lol:

do u think that nintendo should focus more on putting their money (god knows they have a hell of a lot) towards pushing the hardware AND innovating? this is just my opinion, but i think that if nintendo continues down this path that they've chosen, it might come to a dead end.

mrjam0

thats it for the history lesson. now lets look at the present. we all know that the wii has more sales than the competion, but how long is that going to last? there has been much critisism that wii is too week, thus effecting sales. how so? how about those who made a ps3/360 investment because of the wii' lack in graphic capability? that effects sales, whether wii is in first of not. now lets look at development. if u even bother to check wii lineup for 08, its much smaller than the ps3's and 360's. developers r turning to those consoles because find that the games that they want to create isnt possible on the wii. not take note: the difference between the wii and the competion is vastly greater then any of nintendo's past generations. devs could have gotten away with porting over a game to another one of nintendo's console, they cant do it this time. its too inferior. sataru iwata said it himself, "developers need to stop putting their c and d teams to develop one the wii and start putting their A teams to develop for the wii" (or something along those lines) so theres a clear third party issue due to nintendo's inferior console, as more devs choose to go elsewhere. im not saying that graphics determine sales, that was never stated in my post, all im saying is that if nintendo continues to offer something less, that consumors and devs alike might get tired of it, and that atleast with "wii2" they bump of the specs atleast close to what the other two r offering and that should very well help nintendo. i mean, who doesnt want to see samus, mario, and link in HD?

mrjam0

[QUOTE="Hoffgod"]Just based on how distorted what you're saying is, I'm assuming this is before you've done the "research" part of your "research paper". Seriously, you're just going to skip the SNES, dismiss the N64 with a misguided platitude, ignore the GCN and the GBA, and claim that technology is key when, with the exception of the SNES generation, the most powerful system has never won the sales battle? I hope for the sake of your GPA that your teacher doesn't know much about video games.standarddamage

I have to agree.

If you wanted to create a solid paper on something like this, you would need to attack this from a different angle. you would need to show how Nintendo has missed some "key" technologies over the last three generations that have slowed its sales. The N64 went with cartridges instaed of CD-Roms, the Cube went with a smaller disc size, and the Wii's hardware, with the exception of the controls, is an entire gaming generation behind.

The Wii will be the toughest one to prove, because of the console's sales going so well. So you'll have to reference other aspects such as lack of solid third-party support. You'll have to show how many top-selling third-party franchises are not coming to the Wii because of the hardware issues, depite the fact that many of these games are going to the other platforms: Devil May Cry, Burnout, Soul Caliber, Resident Evil, etc. Moreover, you'll have to prove how this could cause the Wii's sales to falter in the future, because of its inability to keep up. This won't be an easy task.

Your right, the third party is the way to attack it but that's hard to prove too, Because instead od getting the same enteries into franchies we grew to love last gen, it's getting totaly new stuff, that's good. Which is selling...

Throw in that Gutar Hero 3 sold best on the Wii and your going to have a few problems proving that the 3rd party isn't either on the way or already there..

Weaker hardware isn't going to kill nintendo. Nintendo has never had the most powerful console on the market, but they have still done enough to keep up with the competition. You can expect the next console to have HD support and stuff, but right now, it's not needed so it wans't included.

Their failure is not comming, and it certainly hasn't been 20 years in the making.

TC's failure, 10 minutes in the making. the SNES was more powerful than the Genisis, the N64 was more powerful than the PS, the GC was more powerful than the PS2. As for the Xbox being more powerful than the GC, it didn't do much better sales wise than the GC did. And you are calling nintendo a failure. Right now Nintendo is more successful than they have ever been before, having record setting paces for both the DS and the Wii. I recomend that you do a different paper.

So you're writing a paper about how Nintendo's failure has been twenty years in the making, yet you say yourself that they are the most successful at making money, and that the Wii and DS are the most successful in their respective markets?

Some advice, do a different paper.

Nintendo is the only one of the three consoles not in danger of failing. The sales numbers Nintendo has put up between Wii and DS are light years beyond Sony or Microsofts consoles. I really think you should write a paper about something you have a clue about.Khansoul

The 360 and PS3 are in danger of failing? I HIGHLY doubt that.

Weaker hardware isn't going to kill nintendo. Nintendo has never had the most powerful console on the market, but they have still done enough to keep up with the competition. You can expect the next console to have HD support and stuff, but right now, it's not needed so it wans't included.

Their failure is not comming, and it certainly hasn't been 20 years in the making.

BuryMe

We don't know that...yet. It's hard to imagine that the Wii would fail, given its massive sales numbers, but it's still very possible. The other two consoles keep pumping out heavy-hitting titles, and the Wii is sitting stagnant in that department.

If we see some serious development go on, that actually produces some serious titles for us, it stands a chance. But the way things are going, it doesn't look good. Starting out with a system that's already a generation behind, as I stated earlier, doesn't bode well for Nintendo's future.

No HD support isn't as small of an issue as people make it out to be, either. More and more HDTVs are being sold, and gamers are going get fed up with last generations graphics.